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Fuze/TP Alternatives?

I'm shopping for my next cell phone and after looking over the selection on letstalk.com I decided on the Fuze. Initially my only hard requirement was a real slider style QWERTY keyboard, not those sorta-qwertys that the blackberries have and not the fully exposed ones that don't tuck away. I want something I can text comfortably on and not be pecking around in menus trying to find special characters. I was very impressed by both the robust keyboard and the PC-like features of the Fuze, particularly the high-res screen, wifi, and its ability to do remote desktop (awesome for someone like me who uses RDP constantly.)
So the Fuze was starting to sound like slam-dunk until I decided to research it further here and found the cpu/driver/qualcomm thread, battery life and other assorted complaints about this phone. They're certainly not deal-breakers given all the good things about the phone, but before I buy it anyway I wanted to ask for suggestions for an alternative. What would you get if you wanted a great slider qwerty and remote desktop, but didn't want to settle for the Fuze?

The Raphael(Fuze) is the best WinMo PPC hardware qwerty slider around. I still bought mine despite knowing the problems. It's possible that HTC/Qualcomm releases better drivers or an SDK in the future if we pester them enough, so there's even hope for future performance improvements. Plus the xda-dev community is very active with cooked ROMs, there at least 3 or 4 excellent ROMs you can choose from, and they are updated frequently.

nodnod...
That was pretty much exactly what I expected to hear. At least now I can buy this awful piece of junk guilt-free.

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Have had my Fuze for about a week now, so far not all that impressed. I already need to return it because the lcd has screen color problems (color ghosting, intermittent monochrome r/g/b) so I haven't tried flashing any roms or radios, tho I have gone thru the basic stock-rom, no-bloat noob setup a few times and tried out just about every interesting freeware app i could find.
I asked a friend to try out the browser on his iPhone. It started so fast, and browsed so smoothly. Mine lags at every single little action - scrolling the screen, zooming, clicking a link... painfully slow. However I found that entering text on his iphone was even more painful.
The main feature I liked from the start about the TP is the ability to do real remote desktop - a lifesaver for someone who's got remote servers to manage, AND a life outside of work. I haven't done anything too complicated thru RDP yet, just kinda played with the start menu - which I noticed has weird text issues at this resolution. However I was still very impressed by this functionality and this is where the vga resolution of this phone really shines.
I've been thinking about asking for a different handset when I send this one back, but still not found one that meets my needs and has a hardware keyboard. Seems like we are still a few iterations away from having a truly well-made, useful pocket pc phone so I may just get it replaced by the same model.
Other minor things I didn't like about it: Entire thing is extremely heavy and fragile, weird diamond-cut back causes certain spots to lose their paint immediately, battery life DOES suck despite what some say, phone back has to be removed to switch out microsd cards, no 1/8" audio out and you NEVER have that dongle adapter when you want it.

rcll said:
The Raphael(Fuze) is the best WinMo PPC hardware qwerty slider around. I still bought mine despite knowing the problems. It's possible that HTC/Qualcomm releases better drivers or an SDK in the future if we pester them enough, so there's even hope for future performance improvements. Plus the xda-dev community is very active with cooked ROMs, there at least 3 or 4 excellent ROMs you can choose from, and they are updated frequently.
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This does not sound like the HTC I know.

The only real next step up is the Xperia. However, the X1 has a lot of differences that would be a big turn off for me. X1 seems to be a much better build quality though.
Largest problems being WVGA (always a pain even with the WVGA <-> VGA work around) and the price.

behrouz said:
This does not sound like the HTC I know.
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Yeah, there are few companies that would be willing to deploy a major software update like this once the unit is already selling. The only hope for this model is if the proprietary driver code could be leaked from qualcomm and incorporated into a rom.
I called the LetsTalk.com customer service line and asked if they could cross-ship me a new fuze so I wouldn't be without a phone for several days. They said yes but for some reason the deposit amount is equal to the retail value of the fuze PLUS a bunch more money for reasons which I did not quite understand due to the phone rep's "dialect" of english. So I now have an $850 (!) hold on my credit card (which happens to be my personal checking account) until the phone swap is completed.

Ice Cream Sammich early?

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...g-to-unwrap-ice-cream-sandwich/?tag=cnetRiver
If it's coming on new phones early does that mean we might get it early too?

the sooner they release the source code the quicker we will get it.

I prefer they hold onto it longer and test the heck out of it. Heck ship it late if it means fewer bugs!
Hopefully Google learned it's lesson with Honeycomb/Xoom on what happens when you rush something to market in response to an Apple announcement.

...because rushing the OS worked so well last time around.
Seriously, Google. Take your time, and get it right this time around. If you don't, you're going to get a reputation for sloppy, buggy operating systems that you'll never be able to throw.

I wish they would take their time, we dont need another Microsoft OS.

slipshft said:
I wish they would take their time, we dont need another Microsoft OS.
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I wish Android was half as bug free as Windows 7.

please delete, duplicate

jerrykur said:
I wish Android was half as bug free as Windows 7.
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Xbox360 Cough.....
The most bug-ridden ****e in consumer history, still broken after 5 years....

personally, I hope they take their time releasing it. I love honeycomb and how my transformer performs. 3.2 is excellent. Why rush the update?

CrazyPeter said:
Xbox360 Cough.....
The most bug-ridden ****e in consumer history, still broken after 5 years....
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I'm curious... what bugs? I can't say I've noticed a single bug on my Xbox 360, nor ever had a crash of any kind. I have, however, found a few bugs in Win7.

knoxploration said:
I'm curious... what bugs? I can't say I've noticed a single bug on my Xbox 360, nor ever had a crash of any kind. I have, however, found a few bugs in Win7.
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You know, the bug where you have no life, and play games for hours and hours on end, therefore receiving the RROD. Then get pissed because after running a freaking computer (game console, same thing) for 5 hours straight with poor air circulation, it shouldn't fry.
When I had my 360 I had no issues at all. Then again, I have a life ....

dictionary said:
You know, the bug where you have no life, and play games for hours and hours on end, therefore receiving the RROD. Then get pissed because after running a freaking computer (game console, same thing) for 5 hours straight with poor air circulation, it shouldn't fry.
When I had my 360 I had no issues at all. Then again, I have a life ....
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The RROD is a hardware issue, not a bug. If we want to equate to Android, the RROD would correlate with initial production of Asus' Transformer dock draining power all the time it's powered on, even when the tablet itself is asleep. A hardware issue, not a bug.
That said, I've run for five hours at a time with no issue (so far, touch wood). My ventilation's probably not great -- my Xbox sits in an enclosed desk above a 24-inch flat panel and a Core-i7 950 desktop that are both powered on all the time, and generate a fair amount of heat. There's maybe 1-2 inches free behind the Xbox, 6-8 inches above and to the sides, and it's almost always dusty.
Guess I've (so far) been lucky...

Unfortunately Google will rush it out and try beat iOS 5 release, which is stupid imo. But what can you do, when markets rule this world, not common sense!

knoxploration said:
The RROD is a hardware issue, not a bug. If we want to equate to Android, the RROD would correlate with initial production of Asus' Transformer dock draining power all the time it's powered on, even when the tablet itself is asleep. A hardware issue, not a bug.
That said, I've run for five hours at a time with no issue (so far, touch wood). My ventilation's probably not great -- my Xbox sits in an enclosed desk above a 24-inch flat panel and a Core-i7 950 desktop that are both powered on all the time, and generate a fair amount of heat. There's maybe 1-2 inches free behind the Xbox, 6-8 inches above and to the sides, and it's almost always dusty.
Guess I've (so far) been lucky...
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That totally went over your head, lol. I know it isn't a bug, I was just poking fun at those who'd call it such, as that is the only problem I've ever seen with the 360, and it's hardly a bug.

Probably wanna put it out first so people won't say it's a copy of iOS 5.. but if it turns out crappy, then people will still hate on it. Boned either way!

IC
It really not up to Google exactly , it up to the OEMs like Asus. Google puts the basic OS and APIs together. That's really the easy part. Then to make it run on a particular device the OEMs have to write a hardware abstraction layer and HW drivers. The sooner Google releases source code the faster these hardware specific parts can be created. Of course the big partners like HTC and samsung have pre-release copies and are already working on it.

Well ICS was supposed to release around the winter holidays but with the new iOS5 supposedly coming in September, I can see them wanting to have something new to offer as well.
While I hate rushed software, new stuff is always fun to play with. Sure for the normal consumer grade peeps it may be icky but if you get ice cream you expect to get a little sticky.
Ice Cream Sandwich is supposed to bring us 2 things; Graphically Accelerated OS apps (like iOS) and a combination of Phone and Tablet apps (auto sensing?). Honeycomb 3.2 already brought us the phone support with the expanded view much like Apple's iPad/iPad2 does with their iPhone apps.
Really most phone apps expand pretty well on the tablet as they cover the screen well without "pixelated zoom" we see on the iPad's. Only a few crappy apps don't display properly but what do you expect, at least they work...
But the functions are supposed to be incorporated at the heart of Android where menu's (such as Settings) will auto adjust accordingly automatically. Some apps already do this. My Weather app on my phone, when setting the DPI to a lower setting it will automatically display the tablet version. The new Market also does this. With my LG G2x set at a 190 DPI, the tablet version of the market is displayed. All of the phone apps are still accessable as it reads your build.prop for phone model information.
I would imagine that once the CORE Android apps auto-sense and they allow GPU acceleration for pretty transitions and effects, it would be a smooth transition. Seems they are already implementing these functions right before our eyes and we don't know it (which means they are working properly).
The good thing with Android is that individual apps can be updated on the fly, where iOS uses a whole OS upgrade.
All I ask for is Smart Dialing!!!

dictionary said:
That totally went over your head, lol. I know it isn't a bug, I was just poking fun at those who'd call it such, as that is the only problem I've ever seen with the 360, and it's hardly a bug.
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lol so that's what that whooshing sound was. Thought it was just another work deadline going by. ;-)

I've been using iOS 5 on my iphone 4 for a few months now and it is a lot better then 4.x.x but my feeling is that it is (don't flame me) equal to gingerbread let me explain first
ios 4 and android 2.2 were the break out ones they brought a lot of new features to the platforms and changed how they all worked
ios 5 and android 2.3 are more minor upgrades, bringing things up to date and keeping it current but not bringing about massive innovation.
ICS in my view (if done correctly) would change everything. Major updates across the board. It would bring about the dawn of the android tablets and make them the massive selling beasts that the iPad is.
I am neither an iPhone fanboy or an Android fanboy. I get excited when iOS gets new features and when Android gets new features. Innovation or copying.
That's why i have a devices running both.

knoxploration said:
The RROD is a hardware issue, not a bug. If we want to equate to Android, the RROD would correlate with initial production of Asus' Transformer dock draining power all the time it's powered on, even when the tablet itself is asleep. A hardware issue, not a bug.
That said, I've run for five hours at a time with no issue (so far, touch wood). My ventilation's probably not great -- my Xbox sits in an enclosed desk above a 24-inch flat panel and a Core-i7 950 desktop that are both powered on all the time, and generate a fair amount of heat. There's maybe 1-2 inches free behind the Xbox, 6-8 inches above and to the sides, and it's almost always dusty.
Guess I've (so far) been lucky...
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The point was, Microsoft knew about all the problems with the XBox, including RROD and disk scratching and the like, but decided that it was far more important to launch it anyway, and being first to market is more important, consumers are idiots and easily forget, give them a few months free Xbox Live and their $400 piece of overheating crap is the best thing ever (the free couple of months of Xbox Live is soon won back by all the costly accessories and recurring Xbox Live fees, so it's win-win for Microsoft).
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/x...tory-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/1/

Will this get ICS?

Considering to buy one.
in a price of 300$ it has no other competitors...
Will it get ICS ? (Custom ROMS,OR OFW..)
Thanks.

I have been reading that samsung is not going to update this with ics because they are releasing another 7 inch tablet with ics. Honestly it's just rumors and speculation, but I would say no. I got mine the other day for 280 bucks shipped. For that price, it's good enough for me. Beware though, the thing is full of bugs.

johnwaynegacy said:
I have been reading that samsung is not going to update this with ics because they are releasing another 7 inch tablet with ics. Honestly it's just rumors and speculation, but I would say no. I got mine the other day for 280 bucks shipped. For that price, it's good enough for me. Beware though, the thing is full of bugs.
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May you give an example

The ui is really laggy, none of the input boxes in the web browser work as expected, the remote control feature (for me at least) never worked once, netflix does not respond correctly. When netflix does work, the screen will occasionally flicker. This is all I have noticed in the few days I have had it. Also, the screen has really bad resolution.

johnwaynegacy said:
The ui is really laggy, none of the input boxes in the web browser work as expected, the remote control feature (for me at least) never worked once, netflix does not respond correctly. When netflix does work, the screen will occasionally flicker. This is all I have noticed in the few days I have had it. Also, the screen has really bad resolution.
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WTF I REALLY DONT WANT THIS DEVICE. Anything else you would recommend ?

john you NEED to hard reset your device. upgrade it with the latest firmware and how did u get this for 300?

In best-buy.... 300$
You say that john is worng?

yup8 said:
In best-buy.... 300$
You say that john is worng?
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Everything works fine for me. On occasion it needs to be reset by holding the power button because it won't wake up (look at the "sleep of death" thread)
But the browser, netflix, and remote all work fine for me.
It is slated to get ICS. It will probably be delayed into 4th quarter this year though.

johnwaynegacy said:
The ui is really laggy, none of the input boxes in the web browser work as expected, the remote control feature (for me at least) never worked once, netflix does not respond correctly. When netflix does work, the screen will occasionally flicker. This is all I have noticed in the few days I have had it. Also, the screen has really bad resolution.
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Update your tablet! Mine works fine, the browser is really responsive, UI doesn't seem to slow down, Netflix works great, even HDMI to my TV!

I dont want a buggy dying device, any other advice?

yup8 said:
I dont want a buggy dying device, any other advice?
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Go and take a look for yourself at your local BestBuy, etc... IMO. This is by far the best 7' tab out there. No problems to speak of for me.

not sure how buggy it is for other people...
anyways.
the stock launch is horrible. never mattered to me because i always install another launcher on all my android devices.
the stock browser is ok. its annoying that the brightness always dims. i installed the browser from asus. its faster and doesnt do that annoying dimming. it also has the dark honeycomb theme instead of the light theme that comes with the tab.

I live offshore so i cant go to best buy

johnwaynegacy said:
The ui is really laggy, none of the input boxes in the web browser work as expected, the remote control feature (for me at least) never worked once, netflix does not respond correctly. When netflix does work, the screen will occasionally flicker. This is all I have noticed in the few days I have had it. Also, the screen has really bad resolution.
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I have never had any of these issues with this device before or after the update. The screen resolution is not that bad IMO, sure it could be better but hey you could always buy and over priced, mediocre spec, limited OS apple product with a nice screen.
Sure development on this device is slow at this point, but thats what you get with a device that not many top devs are drawn too. garyd9 seems like an awesome dev but like he said, it's really upto samsung to release ICS or better source code to get things going.
I love this device for the size and hardware, I think the IR is a nice touch as long as app development get more involved.
Just always keep in mind that Samsung is in the business of mass producing a bunch of devices and making money. Customers service and support is an after thought.
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drksilenc said:
john you NEED to hard reset your device. upgrade it with the latest firmware and how did u get this for 300?
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i would get the g-tab 7.7 on the 10.1 3g lil more costly but better all-round

I actually got it on amazon from electronics expo, the price varies greatly depending on the time of day. As soon as I added it to my cart the next one was 340 dollars. Maybe it goes to 340 and the price goes down for every one they sell until it hits rock bottom and then goes back up to 340. I need to check my software version, but the first thing I did when I booted it up was check for software updates in the settings menu. I dont have it on me, I am at work, and it is at home next to my bed. I will check later on how to update software.

I am up to date on my firmware already.

It will get ics its been said many times.
Just don't know when.
Thaddeus, Mar 09 12:40 (PST):
Hi,
Thanks for contacting Peel and a big thanks in advanced for your patience pertaining to this Galaxy Tablet issue. At this time, there have been issues relating to the way the tablet fires off the IR codes, this IR driver fix is part of Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus ICS (Ice Cream Sandwich) OS update. I wish there was a timeline on when Samsung will release this update but unfortunately there is not, this issue is in Samsung's hands. Again, we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you, we want you up and running with Peel as much as you do. We will let you know as soon as this update becomes available.
Thanks for your interest in Peel,
Thaddeus
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I truly hope that they just rushed out GB to get the product to market to give them more time to work on a fully stable ics build.. Probably just wishful thinking though
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As a person who did his research, I was deciding upon the Amazon Kindle Fire and GT 7+, I decided with the Galaxy Tab and I believe it was the right decision. Great design, super thin and light, it's powerful enough for what I do. I'm a student and power user. I do a lot of reading, browsing and work email from this tablet.
Pros:
Still very customizable, even with most of its lock downs. Extremely easy to root.
Very powerful without the TouchWiz. Using a 2nd launcher like Launcher Pro or ADW Launcher EX works without issues.
Screen may not be SUPERAMOLED, and its a lower resolution like 1024 600 then other tablets, the colors and screen quality is exceptional.
Web browsers on this is super fluid and flash works as fluid as a desktop.
Great battery. I've managed to get 1.5 - 2 days use out of it without charge. That is with web browsing, music listening, some movies or youtube, book reading.
Great form factor. It's super thin, so it's easy to hold and pocket. I have a folio case for it, and it still fits in my pocket with minimal thickness.
Works great with google voice. I say this because of the ear piece built into the surface. If you get some voicemail, and you're working on your tablet, you can listen to your voicemail in private without having to pull out the headphones or making the volume super low. Which brings me to my next part.
Great sound! It's loud enough for me to listen to music and through the headphones is clear and crisp (using my pair of workout sony headphones - amazing how a $20 pair of headphones sounds just as good as Beats by Dre )
Camera is satisfactory. I don't usually use mobile phone cameras, but this one is okay for my purpose. I take pictures of ad designs and use Skitch to make markup notes on the image.
Cons:
Samsung Kies - You're [almost] required to use Kies to transfer files to and from the device, which leads me to my next item...
Locked down storage - Unlike common android devices, you cannot mount the storage or sdcard. Even using a 3rd party file manager will not let you manage the files.
Proprietary USB cable - 30pin to usb, not standard. Nuff said...
terrible flashing methods - I accidentally bricked my last GT7+, and it was my fault, but if I bricked it, I would have to send it to Samsung for "repair". Unlike other companies, and I'll use Apple as a good example, you can't download the official firmware for your device and reflash your tablet.
So in the end, the Pro's outweigh the cons, and I've found some easy workarounds without having to use Kies. I mean I use Kies just to backup (I guess), but for normal file management, I use File Expert. It turns your tablet into a FTP server or you can log into your tablet's file system via a browser and do some manual file management with upload and downloads. Unfortunately, it won't let you work in the SDCard, but it's better then nothing. Then I use DoubleTwist to manage my music with Air Sync. Excellent piece of software!
Anyway, it's a great tablet, and I'm sure ICS will make it better too. Samsung said its one of the tablets to get ICS, it's just a matter of time when. Even without ICS, it works well.

Top hardware but lots of stuttering: do we deserve better?

OK, I bought an Android Tablet. Although the iPads probably are better for the average user, that's not the case for me: I'm a developer, a tweaker. I want to root stuff, to play with widgets, customisations, and so on. That's why I feel more related to Google than to Apple.
So I went for an Android tablet. I did not want a cheap, slow, outdated one like the ones you can buy at the supermarket for no money.
I was going for quality, so I bought an Asus Infinity. The tablet with the fastest hardware you can get. Splendid HD screen. Nice hardware keyboard included. This should be a top buy!
I have the tablet for some days now, and yes, the hardware is quite good. Decent aluminium unibody, although the color is not my style and the shiny metal catches all finger prints. The 1920 x 1200 display is really outstanding. No complaints here.
But where it goes wrong is the software ...
Android ICS, with minor tweaks by Asus, looks ok. But the OS and apps don't run smooth at all...
Apps run slugish or even freeze for seconds. Even keyboard input hangs sometimes. The stock browser and the Google Chrome browser can render basic sites quite well, but more advanced stuff like animations and video is just bad.
I compared with an iPad 1 and the iPad almost always wins involving smoothness of scrolling and interacting with inline video. An iPad 1, more than 2 years old, is faster than the Android tablet with the fastest hardware available on tablets. That's just ... sad. Very disapointing.
Another problem is the fact that no sites are well tested on Android, resulting in quirks that probably are solved on iOS because every decent site developer does test on his iPhone and iPad. But not on the huge number of Android devices out there. And being a developer myself, I know by experience that each device can have its own quirks.
A good example is wrong platform detection, resulting in bad user experience at the best, lack of features, or even no content at all at worst. 'You need to install Flash to run this site' ... Ok, Android can run Flash, but its days are over, as we all know.
So, what's up next?
Shall I make use of the 'cooling down period' and return this tablet? Exchange it for an iPad3? Will Jelly Bean solve some issues? Will these problems be solved by a system update? Will future sites be rendered better when html standards are used more often and Android browsers improve?
That’s a lot of if’s, no?
Apps running slow:
-stock browser
-Chrome
-Dolphin browser: better than the above, but css3 transformations/animations still very bad compared to iOS
-Google plus: scrolling the items is really bad
-Pulse: swiping between pages of an open article is slow and stutters
-Google Earth: slow and even crashes
Apps running ok:
-gmail: smooth
-currents: rather ok, sometimes
-Plume: ok
-Google maps: smooth
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!

My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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chevdor said:
My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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Don't get me wrong, I am very aware of the benefits of Android. That's why I bought an Infinity ;-)
But I have a strong feeling that surfing the web is just a better experience on an iPad ... and surfing is a primary task for me and most of us.
Dolphin HD works the best, but still regular freezes of seconds. I guess this should be better with the outstanding hardware of the infinity, no?
Tnx for your response.

Gert Stalpaert said:
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!
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I know this is not the ideal answer regarding a device you just paid top dollar for but: it may have some software issues but it also has highly capable hardware. Thankfully, there will be many great developers paying attention to this device. Either via official updates or through the combined efforts of the community (or both), I expect most of the issues will be worked out. At the very least, the updates Jelly Bean brings address the lagging and stuttering on Android, and this device will most likely get it soon enough. You can rest assured knowing this is one of the best Android 10-inchers out there and with the proper support it can only get better.

I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.

acdcking12345 said:
I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.
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I had been considering getting a new iPad rather than waiting for Android to get the tablet basics right; however, the main reason why I haven't is my dislike for Apple's motto of litigation over innovation. So I will give Android tabs another chance and get the Infinity. There will definitely be another *new* iPad and this will certainly not be my last tablet. Hopefully Jelly Bean will improve the whole experience. If it gets it and I love it, then great. Otherwise, I am sure I will be able to sell it for a decent price.

I see what you mean. I figure when you can get a tab with Jelly Bean, I hope that android tabs will work better. I hope so. Android is open source and great things go on with newly developed ROMS.
I just can't handle all of the crap wrong and all of the constant issues having to be fixed. For awhile, Ill use the Ipad 3 and wait until android really kick ass. Unless the new MS Tablet is even better.

Android will never compete with UI experience in comparision to Apple unless they change the underlying system.
Apple gives all power to the UI first which results in a smooth experience. But that will also cost power for background tasks. So while you can smoothly scroll your pages in a PDF suddenly it takes ages to load a page, I have seen it.
Android is balanced. So you might see stuttering while scrolling through PDF's but pages will load a lot faster.
That as an example.
It is up to you what system you prefer.
There is a detailed blog post by some google dev somewhere, couldn't find it, sorry.

Jelly bean will definetly smooth out anything having to do with touch response such as scrolling and pinch zooming. That is if it does what its supposed too.
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My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.

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My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.
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This is only our wishful thinking, not a fact yet.
I don't see iPad outperforming Infinity in real life performance however, apart from lags when copying large amounts of data (I can't seem to notice iPad 2 being better for browsing, tried it with iPad 2 today - and remember that on the Infinity it is 1920x1200; iPad 3 with a somewhat better resolution has been reported to become burning hot btw).

What bothers me is not the issues with Android, but the shortcuts and crappy manufacturing that seems to plague the category. Asus, for example, comes out with innovative stuff but seems to chronically release devices before they're ready. Samsung came out with a solid, if uninspiring, 10 inch tablet last year, but the new one has been getting reviews that say it's inferior to the previous model. The Nexus 7 is finally rolling out, but with reports of sloppy build -- Asus strikes again? The Acer has decent specs on paper but doesn't make the target in terms of real-life operation.
I hate Apple with a fire deep in my belly. But, most of the time (iPhone 4 antenna excepted), when they release a mobile product, it's ready to roll -- functionally and aesthetically. Much higher initially quality than the Android products I've had or shopped.
Seriously, how fooking hard can it be to put together a decent feature set and build it properly?

I see your point. There have been numerous bugs in every single iPhone version however. My friend who was apple-lover has returned 80% of their devices in the recent years - from iPad 2, through MacBook Air to LCD.
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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.

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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.
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You say this, yet the Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 isn't as good as the one in the Infinity. The GPU is plenty capable, as it's buttery smooth in Jelly Bean. There is no GPU limitation, it's software at the moment.

So here is my quick background.
I have been a huge fan of tablet. I started out with Windows based tablet back when it was Windows XP that was like 7-8 years ago. Then I moved onto very first android tablet Xoom. Switched to Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Due to specific application only available on Ipad, I had to go with Ipad so I bought iPad 2 and sold Galaxy 10.1, which I still have. I then got Galaxy 10.1 4G Verizon back, which I sold in anticipation of Transformer infinity..
So with that, here is my take on iOS vs. Android.
"Really depends on what you do."
Stability/Fluidity: iOS
It is indeed the fact iPad runs smoother. Though there are some test showed higher stability rate of Android over the iOS, my personal experience goes along with crowd i.e. iOS is more stable. BUT I have not tried ICS (nor New iPad).
Also there is another catch here. iPad is not fail safe. It does still crush and if it crush, it crushes constantly i.e. simply cannot open the file or perform the action.
Multitasking: Android
As someone else suggested earlier in this forum, this is probably due to difference in the underlying focus/design motto between iOS and Android. iOS DOES NOT do real multitasking. I know some say it does, but it's not true for at least the current iOS version and with my iPad 2.
It basically freezes/hibernate the background application. I tried to download files in background several times, or have some application load files into, which usually takes several minutes as it tries to decompress or do whatever it needs to. So after launching these tasks, I go surf web with different browser or application. I go back there is nearly zero progression. There may be minimal multitasking as I have seen progression of downloading file for like 1MB after 10 minutes but this happened more like within the initial few minutes or seconds and since then it had to be frozen in background because I did check this after 2 minutes and still the progression were the same.
Alternatively, needless to say but Android allows you to download files in background but sounds like transformer line suffers from hanging when this happens. I never used torrent on tablet but I remember downloading some files like 100MB+ on web in background while I was using some other application, which usually worked no problem but my foreground application was not demanding.
Applications: Mixed
This is where it really comes down to what you want. Many says Apple store is better, which I agree with games. So if games are your priority, I go with iPAD. It may change in the future, but by the time it changes basically you can buy newer better tablet anyways. So for now for games, go with iPad. But personally, if truly want to play games, I'd rather by portable gaming system like 3DS or PS Vita... But that's just me. Apple store certainly have more selections, and better optimized for iPad. However, many of iPad applications are not free and no real trial. So you have to sort of buy and see.
Whereas, android has tons of applications that are free with ad. This may be one reason why app developers are not making much money on Android market hence avoiding or deprioritizing... who knows. But some applications are simply better on Android. For instance, I use Anki which is perhaps the best cross platform flashcard application. If you want to have the real version of Anki on iPad it costs $20+. You can sort of do a work around with cheaper $5 application but you won't get autosynch of decks, no statistics transfer etc. Whereas on Android.... It's FREE and does autosynch. Other application is ebook reader like epub and pdf. When comparing iPad applications to the Android at least iPad 2 vs. Galaxy 10.1, large files like 300+MB epubs opened much quicker on Galaxy 10.1. Not sure if this is due to pure CPU advantage vs. application difference.
Notifications: Android
Sort of fits into the multitasking but iOS notification is less invasive (using good term), less evident (more of cons for me). When I get new email, Android nicely shows pop up on the corner. In IOS, I generally have no clue until I close my application and check my email. Though notification works with iMessage so may be its just Apple deciding who gets what access to the notification.
File Transfer/Management: Android
Huge downside of Apple. In last 6 months or so, they have added wifi file transfer/synching but this happens only when you have your iPad plugged into outlet.
Individual applications may decide to offer wifi file transfer, but generally slow and its individual application based.
Files are local to each application so very easy to have duplicated files consuming your hard drive space. For instance, if you have a book in iBook, opening it in other EPUB reader you simply have to make a duplicate copy within the other application.
Android is basically simply drag and drop and generally most files can be open from any application anywhere though some does make its own local copy. As far as transfer, AirDroid is such an awesome application.
Jellybean:
The theme of this is amazing. The functionality is not ground breaking but Google finally decides to put emphasis on the UI fluidity. So if it achieves what its intended, I think overall Android simply becomes better ecosystem as it already offers more functionality and flexibility but the major drawback/downside was the UI fluidity. Though as far as application stability, I am not sure if Jellybean is answering that part as I never read anywhere specifically stating such. In any event, ASUS generally so fast in pushing the latest version of Android, I would personally wait until Jelly bean comes out and see if it truly solves the issues. Its definitely a possibility but no gurantee so buying something based on the speculation may not be an optimum unless you got tons of money to spare.
Nexus 7:
Just like Jellybean. This is simple speculation, and probably we should not buy a system based on "what will likely to happen" because there is no guarantee. But I am speculating/hoping when Nexus 7 sells well, which probably does. Developers will have much better support on tablets. Even though Nexus 7 is 7 inch tablet, its resolution is compatible to non-high def android tablet i.e. in theory all the nexus 7 optimized applications will look native on the non-high def android tablet though button layouts may be slightly suboptimal. This is definitely much better than scaling phone app onto the tablet resolution.

I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.

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I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
The I/O issue isn't hardware related from what I can tell. It really just seems like something that just needs to be resolved in the kernel.

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I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...) I wonder if ASUS just took a bunch of hardware components, fit them together like a puzzle, and then sat on it for months without testing waiting for release. This device is coming half a year after it was announced. These issues could have been corrected.

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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
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It wasn't exactly the same. ...same poor design and manufacture problems, so same opinions and comments apply, sorry, fact.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...)
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Bang on the point, thanks. And compounded also with the Prime GPS debacle.
I doubt Apple will let another Antenna-gate slip out, we'll see.

[Q] Keep, Return, or Exchange?

So I have exactly 1 day left to decide what to do with this thing. So far I can't say I am entirely pleased with the performance. I use this tablet mostly to read PDF files and ebooks and it can be unbearably slow and sluggish. Simple web surfing with chrome or default browsing can be a horrid experience. Certain apps are really a hit or miss. I use EzPDF reader a lot and it can take up to 10 seconds to load each page, and I'm not that patient.
Tomorrow marks my 30 day return window and I am really tempted to just send this thing back and wait for a reliable 10in android tablet that just works. I'm reading that a lot have similar experiences but some don't seem to have any lag at all. Is it possible I just got a bad unit? Should I try to exchange for a new unit and hope that it'll be better? Or just return it and wait for something better in the future?

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So I have exactly 1 day left to decide what to do with this thing. So far I can't say I am entirely pleased with the performance. I use this tablet mostly to read PDF files and ebooks and it can be unbearably slow and sluggish. Simple web surfing with chrome or default browsing can be a horrid experience. Certain apps are really a hit or miss. I use EzPDF reader a lot and it can take up to 10 seconds to load each page, and I'm not that patient.
Tomorrow marks my 30 day return window and I am really tempted to just send this thing back and wait for a reliable 10in android tablet that just works. I'm reading that a lot have similar experiences but some don't seem to have any lag at all. Is it possible I just got a bad unit? Should I try to exchange for a new unit and hope that it'll be better? Or just return it and wait for something better in the future?
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I think you should keep it for the following reasons:
1. It has the best specs out there for tablet (screen, cpu, camera, SD card slots (2), USB, HDMI, keyboard, battery life (2) batteries, high pixel front and rear camera).
2. Sluggish issue can be temporary fixed by factory reset then re-flash your stock rom, root and browse2ram (I'm very happy with performance
after done all that. Second option is using custom rom (should be super happy with this)
3. Give Asus some time to release software that address all these issues. (my old droid charge was a piece of sh** for 1 year and finally it flies with stock rom released by Samsung
Just my opinion! I hated at first but the longer I keep it, the more I like it and I think I made a right decision. I had help some people who would like to throw this thing against the wall, but once they used custom rom (Cleanrom), they love it.

I would return it, if it's frustrating to use then there is no point in keeping it. You could chance it and load up some custom roms but those will only act as a bandaid for what amounts to crummy hardware. Asus, for whatever reason, decided to cheap out on the internal nand memory of their flag ship Android tablet and we all pay the price for it unfortunately.
I just unlocked my tablet the other day and loaded up cleanrom 2.0, it loads things better for the most part. Internet browsing with the default browser is very responsive, no more needing browser2ram, and Google currents feels nice to use. Things though like Google + still operate the same as does looking at power point presentations in Office Suite, which is to say choppy.
If you do decide to keep it, grab a squaretrade warranty and unlock it otherwise I'd suggest returning it. At this point, despite how much I love the screen on this, I would have settled for a cheap plastic exterior and lower res screen for a tablet that works the way you woud expect it to

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So I have exactly 1 day left to decide what to do with this thing. So far I can't say I am entirely pleased with the performance. I use this tablet mostly to read PDF files and ebooks and it can be unbearably slow and sluggish. Simple web surfing with chrome or default browsing can be a horrid experience. Certain apps are really a hit or miss. I use EzPDF reader a lot and it can take up to 10 seconds to load each page, and I'm not that patient.
Tomorrow marks my 30 day return window and I am really tempted to just send this thing back and wait for a reliable 10in android tablet that just works. I'm reading that a lot have similar experiences but some don't seem to have any lag at all. Is it possible I just got a bad unit? Should I try to exchange for a new unit and hope that it'll be better? Or just return it and wait for something better in the future?
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I do not mean to come off rude, but you are displeased. You have mentioned no postiive points AT ALl -- easy advice: return it, and maybe look for another device. It won't get that much better -- objectively a bit, but you will be annoyed during the entire period you have it.
Really, do yourself a favor and return it.
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I think you should keep it for the following reasons:
1. It has the best specs out there for tablet (screen, cpu, camera, SD card slots (2), USB, HDMI, keyboard, battery life (2) batteries, high pixel front and rear camera).
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The best specs don't mean s*** if yo uget annoyed by even the best specs. To make matters worse, it's not like the TF700 is displaying top-of-the-line performance, is it? Listening to OP, (s)he doesn't need all of these features (again, no positives were mentioned at all), so I'd stick to returning it.
2. Sluggish issue can be temporary fixed by factory reset then re-flash your stock rom, root and browse2ram (I'm very happy with performance after done all that. Second option is using custom rom (should be super happy with this)
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You speak of temporary fixes, which to many, if not most, of us is unsatisfactory. You can cold-boot your device 18 times a day, but that doesn't make it any more user friendly, does it? Again, trying to judge from the OP point of view, return it.
3. Give Asus some time to release software that address all these issues. (my old droid charge was a piece of sh** for 1 year and finally it flies with stock rom released by Samsung
Just my opinion! I hated at first but the longer I keep it, the more I like it and I think I made a right decision. I had help some people who would like to throw this thing against the wall, but once they used custom rom (Cleanrom), they love it.
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So your answer would be wait a year to *possibly* have it fixed? I'll take the wait, but the OP is anoyed already and has only today to make the decision. Again, return it.
You can always buy one again when you decide to, even if after trying several other devices in the meantime. It's a lot of money, and a stomach ulcer ain't that much fun either.

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So I have exactly 1 day left to decide what to do with this thing. So far I can't say I am entirely pleased with the performance. I use this tablet mostly to read PDF files and ebooks and it can be unbearably slow and sluggish. Simple web surfing with chrome or default browsing can be a horrid experience. Certain apps are really a hit or miss. I use EzPDF reader a lot and it can take up to 10 seconds to load each page, and I'm not that patient.
Tomorrow marks my 30 day return window and I am really tempted to just send this thing back and wait for a reliable 10in android tablet that just works. I'm reading that a lot have similar experiences but some don't seem to have any lag at all. Is it possible I just got a bad unit? Should I try to exchange for a new unit and hope that it'll be better? Or just return it and wait for something better in the future?
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If it is not satisfactory, and you think it is broken return it for the same device.
If it is not satisfactory, and you think it is just that the device does not meet your standards, exchange it for a different device.
If it is satisfactory and you could see yourself using it until it's obsolete/replaced, keep it.
That's what return policies are for.
TBH, based on your description, I would exchange for a different device, either the Note 10.1 or an iPad.