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I just spent the past two days at CES and in fact spent time in the Viewsonic booth.
There are so many tablets on display that one person in my party suggested that if you threw a Coke can 100 feet in any direction you would hit a tablet...
Overall in my opinion on a relative scale the Viewsonic G-tablet is not that bad given everything I have played with. Some other tablets might be a little leaner, maybe a little tighter build quality, but the main difference I see is the display in the Viewsonic.
And yes I did play with the Motorola tablet. While it is leaner and a better built I was shocked on how hot the tablet was when the Motorola person handed it over for me to play with. The G-tablet no matter what I have asked it to do, never gets "hot".
With respect to the Viewsonic tablets introduced at CES, their smaller tablet seems cheep in its constructions. Perhaps that is due to the use of silver colored plastic. And their dual-boot tablet... It was shown running Android 1.6. We asked Viewsonic and were told reboot it to get into Windows. After a power off and power on, I was presented with a boot manager window with Android and Windows as options. But it appeared to be looking for an arrow key press to move the selection bar. Basically I don't think Windows really is useful on the tablet without a keyboard. Perhaps this is why they were showing the tablet with Android. Thus I was never able to get into Windows and try that out.
The RIM tablet is very well built but running QNX. QNX is a realtime operating system and they were in the booth with RIM. QNT is something that is embedded in a product and normally never sees the light of day with respect to the end user. To be honest I worry about the ultimate availability of applications as QNX has nothing to do with Linux, Android, Windows anything, etc. Basically RIM is starting out from scratch. Their user interface is different. Not bad, just different. My opinion, shared with others that I talked with, is that this tablet will appeal to corporations who already have a RIM infrastructure in place and have users complaining they need a tablet. Note that the device on display was WiFi only, where RIM claimed that a unnamed carrier 4G device is near release.

Did you by chance check out the Notion Ink Adam tablet?
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vsc said:
Note that the device on display was WiFi only, where RIM claimed that a unnamed carrier 4G device is near release.
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That would probably be Sprint, who is already advertising the Playbook's imminent release...

Wow! You found better build quality that the gTab? Even my Nook Color seems to have poorer QA as far as actual build goes, and I TRULU expected MUCH better of B&N... defective USB port on my first one OOB, and the casing feels "loose" on returned & exchanged units... however both are better than the Pandigital Novel(white v1) or Augen Gentouch78... although neither of these had defective ports, etc. OOB...
VPAD 10(dual boot one, I presume): Only runs Android 1.6 as it's the latest version that "officially"(?) supports Android for the x86 arch...

To be honest I could find a booth for them and they clearly are not in the show directory. The bloggers are finding them but they have armies of people all over the show floor.
cadillax02 said:
Did you by chance check out the Notion Ink Adam tablet?
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Overall there is a lot of junk Android tablets at the show.
It is notable that when the basic software is the same you have two ways to differentiate product. Industrial design, build quality, etc or a software framework such as TnT. Many products simply do neither.
Another notable fact is most tablets are running v2.2 of Android, even when their writeups for their product cite Android 3.0. I was put off by this.
I returned a NookColor because it developed 16+ hot pixels in the middle of the display. At night on a plane ride they just lit up to the point I decided this is too much it goes back. B&N gave me a lot of trouble returning the device, but after three hours of standing my ground they accepted the return. I decided to take a pass on the NookColor for now. And I agree the USB connector choice could have been much better. Also why go with a unique connector in the first place?
I want to say the coolest phone at the show is the LG Optimus 2X. I want one. NOW. We couldn't get it to lag, even when doing our best to crush it. The display quality is also very good. LG won a best of show award for a display and I think it is the same one used in the 2X.
cutterjohn said:
Wow! You found better build quality that the gTab? Even my Nook Color seems to have poorer QA as far as actual build goes, and I TRULU expected MUCH better of B&N... defective USB port on my first one OOB, and the casing feels "loose" on returned & exchanged units... however both are better than the Pandigital Novel(white v1) or Augen Gentouch78... although neither of these had defective ports, etc. OOB...
VPAD 10(dual boot one, I presume): Only runs Android 1.6 as it's the latest version that "officially"(?) supports Android for the x86 arch...
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How was the Viewpad 10s? Better screen?

Nope
japhule said:
How was the Viewpad 10s? Better screen?
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One of my co-workers bought back some info after the CES about the MOTO XOOM, he said that the software was very unstable and lot of FCs. He said that most hardware were ready and just google holding them up..
VSC: did you get your hands on the XOOM, was it unstable? We may need to wait for a few more months then...

tyy10002 said:
One of my co-workers bought back some info after the CES about the MOTO XOOM, he said that the software was very unstable and lot of FCs. He said that most hardware were ready and just google holding them up..
VSC: did you get your hands on the XOOM, was it unstable? We may need to wait for a few more months then...
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I may be mis-reading this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/motorola-xoom-pretend-ui-hands-on-walkthrough-video/
but it sounds like they (MOTO) were showing a "fake" Honeycomb UI on the Xoom? Maybe that's why it was "unstable" ??
Jim

jimcpl said:
I may be mis-reading this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/motorola-xoom-pretend-ui-hands-on-walkthrough-video/
but it sounds like they (MOTO) were showing a "fake" Honeycomb UI on the Xoom? Maybe that's why it was "unstable" ??
Jim
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That article was kind of confusing.. Said they were running a fake UI on top of the REAL Honeycomb? How is that any different from running say, Launcherpro on top of Froyo? So we aren't running Froyo if we use a different launcher? Maybe they mean the Motorola specific launcher is unstable, I don't know..
At least they haven't put it up for sale as a totally unstable device like Viewsonic did, yet...
I imagine that by the time people can buy one of those surely overpriced, probably locked down tablets they will have all the kinks worked out. Just seeing the Verizon name makes me not want one.

So would you say the viewing angles of all these new tablets are light years ahead of the Viewsonic, tad better or the same?
Reason why I am asking... Should I wait or not on a G-Tablet with the expectation of upgrading in about 9 - 12 months.
vsc said:
I just spent the past two days at CES and in fact spent time in the Viewsonic booth.
There are so many tablets on display that one person in my party suggested that if you threw a Coke can 100 feet in any direction you would hit a tablet...
Overall in my opinion on a relative scale the Viewsonic G-tablet is not that bad given everything I have played with. Some other tablets might be a little leaner, maybe a little tighter build quality, but the main difference I see is the display in the Viewsonic.
And yes I did play with the Motorola tablet. While it is leaner and a better built I was shocked on how hot the tablet was when the Motorola person handed it over for me to play with. The G-tablet no matter what I have asked it to do, never gets "hot".
With respect to the Viewsonic tablets introduced at CES, their smaller tablet seems cheep in its constructions. Perhaps that is due to the use of silver colored plastic. And their dual-boot tablet... It was shown running Android 1.6. We asked Viewsonic and were told reboot it to get into Windows. After a power off and power on, I was presented with a boot manager window with Android and Windows as options. But it appeared to be looking for an arrow key press to move the selection bar. Basically I don't think Windows really is useful on the tablet without a keyboard. Perhaps this is why they were showing the tablet with Android. Thus I was never able to get into Windows and try that out.
The RIM tablet is very well built but running QNX. QNX is a realtime operating system and they were in the booth with RIM. QNT is something that is embedded in a product and normally never sees the light of day with respect to the end user. To be honest I worry about the ultimate availability of applications as QNX has nothing to do with Linux, Android, Windows anything, etc. Basically RIM is starting out from scratch. Their user interface is different. Not bad, just different. My opinion, shared with others that I talked with, is that this tablet will appeal to corporations who already have a RIM infrastructure in place and have users complaining they need a tablet. Note that the device on display was WiFi only, where RIM claimed that a unnamed carrier 4G device is near release.
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Sprdtyf350 said:
That article was kind of confusing.. Said they were running a fake UI on top of the REAL Honeycomb? How is that any different from running say, Launcherpro on top of Froyo? So we aren't running Froyo if we use a different launcher? Maybe they mean the Motorola specific launcher is unstable, I don't know..
At least they haven't put it up for sale as a totally unstable device like Viewsonic did, yet...
I imagine that by the time people can buy one of those surely overpriced, probably locked down tablets they will have all the kinks worked out. Just seeing the Verizon name makes me not want one.
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I was a little confused by the article too, which is what I started with "I may be mis-reading...".
Jim

jimcpl said:
I was a little confused by the article too, which is what I started with "I may be mis-reading...".
Jim
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I saw that Just a general observation... Guess if it doesn't make sense it must be right! Right?

Well I was at CES also and the only thing I saw for Viewsonic was a little office and I was everywhere. Do you remember where they were? I played with the rim playbook for a bit the interface was nice then I watched for 20 minutes and I didn't see a single crash but I like that when you open different tabs in browser or media you could see all the pages that are open in small windows similar to when you have multiple pages open in Firefox on windows 7 rim playbook is a small platform.

Sprdtyf350 said:
That article was kind of confusing.. Said they were running a fake UI on top of the REAL Honeycomb? How is that any different from running say, Launcherpro on top of Froyo? So we aren't running Froyo if we use a different launcher? Maybe they mean the Motorola specific launcher is unstable, I don't know..
At least they haven't put it up for sale as a totally unstable device like Viewsonic did, yet...
I imagine that by the time people can buy one of those surely overpriced, probably locked down tablets they will have all the kinks worked out. Just seeing the Verizon name makes me not want one.
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It was basically a demo video of Honeycomb playing in the Android video player in Honeycomb. The actual 3.0 on the Xoom was pretty much unpopulated. Empty screens and almost no apps. The only way to experience it was through the video.

All is very strong. Most of the tablets at the show have a similar display and are no better with respect to the viewing angles.
After talking to the display suppliers it would appear that in general the 10" displays have limited viewing angles (e.g. 90/50 degrees). Smaller panels (e.g. 5" and 7") have much better viewing angles (e.g. 160/140 degrees).
stanglx said:
So would you say the viewing angles of all these new tablets are light years ahead of the Viewsonic, tad better or the same?
Reason why I am asking... Should I wait or not on a G-Tablet with the expectation of upgrading in about 9 - 12 months.
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Why android will likely never have a truly hardware accelerated UI.

Okay, first of all I am not a fan of android and wouldn't use it but I do work as a liason to some of Google's subsidiaries. I was speaking with some people on our end who were overseeing the latest update and whether or not it would finally step up to the plate and get a hardware accelerated UI like all of the other big competitors and word for word what he told me is "That's up to the boys at Samsung (he meant all other OEMs but we were talking about Samsung's devices at that point in time.) So, like the good little XDAer I am I went and did my research, android can not have a hardware accelerated UI built into the base OS because of the variation in hardware. It is entirely up to your OEM's to implement a GPU accelerated UI which would require a whole new branch to a development team and since it effects so few people it's highly unlikely that it will occur. They are more than willing to contract a third party to utilize an OS that was already in development or in HTC's case build from scratch but the prospect of hiring an individual development team for something so trivial has little to no chance of occurring. I never did expect much from the ugly duckling except for it to market well with people who either wanted an alternative to the iphone or people who couldn't afford an iphone but this is a real kick in the head to pretty much everyone. I now appreciate the way apple and even moreso microsoft are going about the mobile phone game even more.

I know I shouldn't feed the troll but I have some spare time.
Firstly, considering how smooth android is it becomes obvious that it doesn't need hardware acceleration (unlike WP7 for instance).
Should the day come when it is required, then it will be implemented.
There. Question answered.

Umm
isnt the Galaxy S II hardware accelerated
i think its the only android phone that is

qwerty warrior said:
Umm
isnt the Galaxy S II hardware accelerated
i think its the only android phone that is
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Actually you're right, the Tegra provides hardware acceleration, and there are several tablets and phones that use it.

qwerty warrior, the chipset available in the S2 is completely ready to go for a fully hardware accelerated UI and it is partially implemented but not fully.
xaccers, I see no reason to get into it with you regarding this matter again, android as an OS is just not up to par with the others, it's just another place for google to advertise. Trust me, the nice people here at google aren't going to prioritize adding features no one cares about. They'd much rather glorify a pallet swap and call it an update. It's slower than the rest and the only selling point is the market and the fact that you can get any app for free.

z33dev33l said:
android as an OS is just not up to par with the others
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Except it is, many of us accepted your challenge regarding the lack of smoothness with android, and found you were very wrong.
You can start as many threads as you like denying it, but the fact remains you are wrong.

This is the second thread I see you dissing android. What'd the point? Why don't you use winmo 7, which I like as well, and let us use whatever we want without you winning. I could go and complain abt winno too and how its not customizable, its market is way too small and all its devices are outdated.
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It's Windows Phone 7, nothing like winmo. I'm not dissing android, just stating the facts regarding a meeting I had with a Google representative in passing.
xaccers, your "tests" prove absolutely nothing, I'm sure all of you just busted out your iphone next to your high end android device and swiped side to side? First of all that's highly unlikely and secondly regardless of what you say anyone who has moved to another OS will tell you just how terribly laggy fragmented android is. We've had this debate before, if you want to have another back and forth spanning three days with nothing but your alleged tests as your foundation then have at it. I will do the same on my smooth and seamless Dell Venue Pro that will be recieving the next update just as it did the last one.

what do u mean partially ?
ive used it and there is no stutter what so ever
ie( playing 1080p video on youtube while pinch zooming and its buttery smooth)
i just cant see any stutter
even most people on the SG2 section dont bother with custom roms
some people install custom roms because of battery draining services
currently im running stock and my phone lasts about 3+ days
im not attacking anyone i like everything when it comes to software/hardware

I've used WP7, it sucks, and I use Android at the moment, and it doesn't.
Android is smooth as silk, it doesn't need any long winded transitions to hide the lag of loading an app, I just tap on a shortcut and it opens.
Of course Android can actually have icons, we're not stuck with duplo CGA tiles to bore ourselves to death with.
Once again Zee, you've made comments that can't be substantiated (ie there are many hardware accelerated android devices) and been left looking like a fool.
Maybe one day you'll actually find something genuine to pick holes in Android with, there's plenty of them.

qwerty warrior said:
what do u mean partially ?
ive used it and there is no stutter what so ever
ie( playing 1080p video on youtube while pinch zooming and its buttery smooth)
i just cant see any stutter
even most people on the SG2 section dont bother with custom roms
some people install custom roms because of battery draining services
currently im running stock and my phone lasts about 3+ days
im not attacking anyone i like everything when it comes to software/hardware
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accidentally thanked you haha, enjoy .
I agree, it's the best android experience I've had and while my opinion may be jaded against android due to such a long history of lag and such I did get a bit of stutter exiting and entering apps, and while running angry birds and trying to check email it was not that great. :/ Also the browser and a few other aspects don't seem to be hardware accelerated but the apps I was running should not have been enough to cause such a definitive stutter. Perhaps I've been spoiled by windows phone 7 but I'm just used to everything being seamless.

xaccers said:
I've used WP7, it sucks, and I use Android at the moment, and it doesn't.
Android is smooth as silk, it doesn't need any long winded transitions to hide the lag of loading an app, I just tap on a shortcut and it opens.
Of course Android can actually have icons, we're not stuck with duplo CGA tiles to bore ourselves to death with.
Once again Zee, you've made comments that can't be substantiated (ie there are many hardware accelerated android devices) and been left looking like a fool.
Maybe one day you'll actually find something genuine to pick holes in Android with, there's plenty of them.
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There are many means of picking holes, I have no interest in doing so. I haven't even bothered with these forums as I don't need to mod my devices to make them better than any android device on the market. I just came on to verify that it was safe for me to utilize my developer account on multiple windows phone 7 devices. I am still looking forward to the day that I am so blinded by an OS that I can't see the obvious lag or lack of even moderately decent coding. Windows Phone has wowed me more than any other mobile OS in existence but even it can't leave me completely blind. I do wonder how a static icon to leave the page looking cluttered and generally ugly could possibly beat out a live tile constantly updating me with all the information I need. Perhaps I just like uniformity across an OS rather than clutter, that's my style.

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I am still looking forward to the day that I am so blinded by an OS that I can't see the obvious lag or lack of even moderately decent coding.
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You think WP7 is good, congratulations, you've been living that day for quite some while, apparently so blinded that you haven't noticed.
I have 4 icons on my home screen, icons I can choose the look of, and the placement, showing off the beautiful animated wallpaper I have.
As for poking holes, I'd be tempted to believe you, after all so far you've not managed to poke any holes, however you start a thread making false claims about Android and it tends to look like you're trying hard.

z33dev33l said:
accidentally thanked you haha, enjoy .
I agree, it's the best android experience I've had and while my opinion may be jaded against android due to such a long history of lag and such I did get a bit of stutter exiting and entering apps, and while running angry birds and trying to check email it was not that great. :/ Also the browser and a few other aspects don't seem to be hardware accelerated but the apps I was running should not have been enough to cause such a definitive stutter. Perhaps I've been spoiled by windows phone 7 but I'm just used to everything being seamless.
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thanks
i used nokia phones for a long time and i never made the switch to android because there was a lot of stutter even with custom roms
that small split second of " stutter " really used to piss me off thats why i used non touch screen phones like nokia
they were super fast for what i used it for
then bought a samsung i8910
was a great phone with Symbian ,it had copy paste and the opera browser was awesome .... the the screen cracked after it for 5 meters .... still worked and used it for another 4 months and i was still waiting for the "perfect " android phone and when i saw the SG2 in action i was amazed .personally i dont see the stutter and that enough for me
i never wanted wp7 or IOS because i felt like i was in a jail( coudnt change launchers or overhaul the UI) ... that was basically it ,i just wanted a fast phone that i could upgrade forever until the OS would be soo heavy for the duel core
peace

xaccers said:
You think WP7 is good, congratulations, you've been living that day for quite some while, apparently so blinded that you haven't noticed.
I have 4 icons on my home screen, icons I can choose the look of, and the placement, showing off the beautiful animated wallpaper I have.
As for poking holes, I'd be tempted to believe you, after all so far you've not managed to poke any holes, however you start a thread making false claims about Android and it tends to look like you're trying hard.
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What it does have is not due to Google or Icecream or whatever pallet swap they're pumping out now. It is due entirely to Samsung so Android itself does not and will not have a hardware accelerated UI and it will likely never be fully implemented on any android device. I have 12 tiles on my homescreen, once for my calls, constantly updating with any missd calls or voicemails, one with my people which constantly cycles up to 9 friends at a time over the icon, all my friends or people I know, a messaging tab which keeps me updated on any missed texts and has a cool little face that shows different emotions based on the number of tabs, my hotmail which just keeps me updated there, my maps which shows my current or most recent destination, my internet explorer... pretty inactive... my me tile which cycles between a picture of myself and my son and any facebook/MSN notifications I might have, an xbox live tile which actively has my live avatar popping in and out (he's wearing a scorpion outfit, it pretty much rocks) and leads to the greatest game hub ever. My calendar that is pretty much my lifeline with this new job, my pictures hub that cycles between 30+ pictures of my little boy, a zune tile that shows my most recent artist listened to and a marketplace hub which constantly informs me of updates. All of this information is readily available with one swipe of my finger and I don't have to worry about whether that unlock is going to go through, whether I'll meet lag on the way down, or anything else. I can also pin literally anything to my homescreen but I don't like clutter. Overall it is without a doubt the most user-friendly user interface and is lag and clutter free, iOS can claim lag free, android can claim neither.

qwerty warrior said:
thanks
i used nokia phones for a long time and i never made the switch to android because there was a lot of stutter even with custom roms
that small split second of " stutter " really used to piss me off thats why i used non touch screen phones like nokia
they were super fast for what i used it for
then bought a samsung i8910
was a great phone with Symbian ,it had copy paste and the opera browser was awesome .... the the screen cracked after it for 5 meters .... still worked and used it for another 4 months and i was still waiting for the "perfect " android phone and when i saw the SG2 in action i was amazed .personally i dont see the stutter and that enough for me
i never wanted wp7 or IOS because i felt like i was in a jail( coudnt change launchers or overhaul the UI) ... that was basically it ,i just wanted a fast phone that i could upgrade forever until the OS would be soo heavy for the duel core
peace
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Commendable enough, I do appreciate the ability to change launchers and such and force updates on your phone but neither of them are things I would've ever done if I hadn't needed them. That's why I swapped, the speed and functionality were just a plus... Plus no other mobile game can compare to ilomilo.

I had a nexus one since day one and there was never any lag on it. Seriously smooth on everything it did. I now have a sensation and there is some lag here and there because of sense (i used temp root to disable some bloatware and its much better now). I had an HD7 since launch and it was a great phone, really smooth but I missed some apps on my android and tethering so I gave the HD7 to my dad and moved back to android. Moral of the story, my dad loves his HD7 and I love my android phone.
Android is fine now as is. I use google everything so android just integrates better with that than any OS ever will. Google maps on android is amazing and free.
Seriously man, just let go.

For the record this is not the android general section and any post speaking of another OS as superior is not blasphemy, I am just repeating what was told to me by a high-ranking official working on the latest version of android. It is entirely up to the OEM to set up and always will be.

I notice significant lag on my Nexus One between the time I unlock the phone and when it becomes fully usable, that's using the stock Gingerbread 2.3.4 GRJ22. It's not a big deal though, I just have to wait a few seconds before things settle down before it becomes responsive.
I don't really notice hardly any lag on my Froyo Droid Incredible.
So, lack of UI acceleration... why should I care?
And actually, iOS is not as un-customizable as most would believe. There are plenty of themes and UI customization, I've even seen some emulating WP7 for whatever reason. All you need is to be jailbroken, a process easier than rooting many Android phones.
So far I have not found any way to jailbreak the latest version of WP7, it really is a phone for people who just want to use it the way Microsoft intended. I've read you can downgrade, install ChevronWP7, then re-upgrade and keep the jailbreak, but other than pirating apps, there's not really any benefit to doing that that I'm aware of as I don't believe the homebrew community has really taken off with WP7 (but I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong).

z33dev33l said:
What it does have is not due to Google or Icecream or whatever pallet swap they're pumping out now. It is due entirely to Samsung so Android itself does not and will not have a hardware accelerated UI and it will likely never be fully implemented on any android device. I have 12 tiles on my homescreen, once for my calls, constantly updating with any missd calls or voicemails, one with my people which constantly cycles up to 9 friends at a time over the icon, all my friends or people I know, a messaging tab which keeps me updated on any missed texts and has a cool little face that shows different emotions based on the number of tabs, my hotmail which just keeps me updated there, my maps which shows my current or most recent destination, my internet explorer... pretty inactive... my me tile which cycles between a picture of myself and my son and any facebook/MSN notifications I might have, an xbox live tile which actively has my live avatar popping in and out (he's wearing a scorpion outfit, it pretty much rocks) and leads to the greatest game hub ever. My calendar that is pretty much my lifeline with this new job, my pictures hub that cycles between 30+ pictures of my little boy, a zune tile that shows my most recent artist listened to and a marketplace hub which constantly informs me of updates. All of this information is readily available with one swipe of my finger and I don't have to worry about whether that unlock is going to go through, whether I'll meet lag on the way down, or anything else. I can also pin literally anything to my homescreen but I don't like clutter. Overall it is without a doubt the most user-friendly user interface and is lag and clutter free, iOS can claim lag free, android can claim neither.
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Except, once again, you're wrong about the lag, you always have been, you always will be.
I don't like clutter, hence only 4 icons, the lovely animated wallpaper, and a subtle slide down notification bar sould I recieve new emails, texts, missed calls, open wireless networks, etc (It's so good even apple have copied it, give it a few updates and Microsoft will probably copy it too).
I don't want anyone who's looking at my phone to just be able to see what my friends are up to, why would I? So I just slide to another page and get the updates as they happen (of course if I was a saddo I could have that on my home screen).
A flick the otherway and I'm listening to my music, again I can have that on my home page if I so wished, but I don't like clutter such as the WP7 tiles force upon you.
Rather than having a tiny photo of my loved ones trapped in a tile, I can of course have them as full wallpaper images, cycling through the photos, after all, if you want to see pictures of your loved ones, 480x800 (or 960x800) is so much better than 173x173.

Anyone else not too impressed with ICS 4.0?

I was hoping to be blown away by the feature list, or even just a huge change from gingerbread in the form of an amazing new feature. But To me, it just seems like a revamp to the UI and a general polish. It sorta left me.. disappointed. Maybe I was just expecting too much, maybe its too deep in the mobile OS game for groundbreaking features to constantly be churned out. Who knows.. I just wasnt really feeling the excitement about NFC, don't see my self rubbing my phone with my buddies to get things done, or using it to make payments when I have a perfectly fine debit card i dont mind getting a few scratches on. Dont be fooled, I may have a iPhone 4s right now, but its only because I have an android tablet and I was under the assumption that Nexus would be amazing and ICS would be equally on par, and I was going to sell the 4s to gain a profit and buy the Nexus. But after the unveiling of both, I'm not sure anymore if its on par with iOS5 for the time being, which is growing on me. What are your thoughts?

inb4 anti-apple fanboys
yeah, it was a "meh" experience for me too, the virtual buttons is nothing new, they just took more or less honeycomb and put it on a phone

Well, I didn't expect much - they said early that it will be HC for phones. But I think we must look inside first. I hope the source code will be released. I wonder how the browser will change (will it be closer to Chrome).

Magnesus said:
Well, I didn't expect much - they said early that it will be HC for phones. But I think we must look inside first. I hope the source code will be released. I wonder how the browser will change (will it be closer to Chrome).
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I believe the source code was already leaked. I thought ICS overall was the best part of the whole presentation. The phone itself 10/10 design wise, but the hardware isn't on par for me... not for the next 2 years anyway.

I was surprised a little that there was no sd card slot added, which is what everyone complained about since the beginning! I will need to get my grubby hands on ICS before I can completely judge it, but just a underwhelming tone I took away from the whole ordeal. On the other hand, I'm still excited about the Galaxy Note! As long as it doesn't cost an arm and a leg!

Looks like its a bigger update for phones than tablets really, I can't see much that the Motorola Xoom I had for a while couldn't do on 3.2, although like I said I guess a lot of the Honeycomb functionality will make its way in now to phones.

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I was surprised a little that there was no sd card slot added, which is what everyone complained about since the beginning! I will need to get my grubby hands on ICS before I can completely judge it, but just a underwhelming tone I took away from the whole ordeal. On the other hand, I'm still excited about the Galaxy Note! As long as it doesn't cost an arm and a leg!
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This is my thoughts exactly. I see the note as a far superior device to the nexus. Once it gets ICS then it will blow the galaxy nexus away.

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Well, I didn't expect much - they said early that it will be HC for phones. But I think we must look inside first. I hope the source code will be released. I wonder how the browser will change (will it be closer to Chrome).
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I'm also curios about the browser. It seems it will support sync bookmarks from Chrome. That will be great if so. Still cannot find any video/post to introduce the browser in Android 4.0.

From what I've seen of it, it looks excellent. It doesn't look WP7 excellent. But it appears to have some Honeycomb touches.

I'm very impressed by ice cream, seems like a great improvement.
But it seems like most comments in this thread is about Galaxy Nexus, it didn't impress me very much except for the screen.

I am impressed!
- no more fragmentation, same app on phone and tablet
- HW accelerated ui
- integrated data usage control app
- browser engine is closer to webkit sources and have HC bookmark sync
- nice task manager, swipe and close app
- notification LED
- hi res contacts photo sync ?
I am worried about:
- no SD CARD in Nexus phone. i hope that the OS support the extention. EDIT: It has support - i've installed SDK
- on screen hw buttons, not my type
- no word about tethering, i hope is still present
- no word about open source it ?!?!?
- i hope face unlock does not increase even more the "wake up lag"
- no pen API - my next phone will be SG Note, i hope. EDIT: It has, as pointed by jeandujardin01

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I am worried about:
- no SD CARD in Nexus phone. i hope that the OS support the extention.
- on screen hw buttons, not my type
- no word about tethering, i hope is still present
- no word about open source it ?!?!?
- i hope face unlock does not increase even more the "wake up lag"
- no pen API - my next phone will be SG Note, i hope.
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http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0-highlights.html

I dont know what you guys were expecting.
I guess if your coming from WP7 or Android Tablet the UI changes and people app is ho hum. IOS and Android phone users should all be blown away.
Alot of the nagging annoyances are (seemingly) gone...more gestures in the UI , Full screen high res caller id , uniformity in copy/paste , Easier customization , Data management , screen cap etc....just a slew of things you no longer need 3rd party apps for.
For contacts and social aspects it blows away iOS and is a step up from WP7 ((from what I see)).
The hardware I wasnt crazy about. Only the HD screen +notification light was appealing.
Android OS was already ahead of everyone in terms of feature by a good margin. iOS caught up within arms reach with Siri + notifications. Android 4.0 seemingly does a good job of once again widening that gap.
If WP7 came on better hardware maybe id change my stance. But Android 4.0 is extremely impressive. Only question is the HW acceleration + garbage collection problem finally fixed or is it still lag/choppy filled.

Yeah but, you know, what about the beautiful Roboto font? Doesn't that make it worth the wait for ICS?
I think visual design elements in a GUI should speak for themselves. If you have to say too much about your new font then maybe you've failed. Why is everybody designing 'flat' two-dimensional looking graphics for their GUIs? How about building in more visual customisation out of the box? Want a glosy glassy 3-D look? Sure, just go to settings and customise it from the in-built choice of four or five that we put there for you. Oh wait, we didn't.
Still only a QWERTY keyboard? Still got to go into the 'number/symbol page' to enter basic characters? Can't users just have a wider range of choice for text entry withouth resorting to downloading keyboards from the Market or buying an HTC device?
Face Unlock? In my head that shortens quite nicely to a well known expletive, which is probably what we'll all be saying when it doesn't work first time when we need it too ; ) You know, like, if we're outside, facing south and it's before 11am or something.
Do some of the new features remind people a lot of what certain launchers are doing, not to mention Cyanogen and MIUI ROM features?
Joking aside, I too am kind of dissappointed as you can probably tell. I've been holding off buying a new phone for months now (still on my trusty HD2) and I think I'm going to have to wait a while longer. And don't even get me started on the lack of a microSD card slot in a device with a high res screen, onto which I'm going to load large movies/tv shows that will fill 32 gigs very quickly.
Windows Phone 7 is still a bust for me, and I won't even consider an iPhone until they stick at least 4" screen in it, so I may end up getting a 'proper' Android phone after all, but that's not really a very positive way to go about selecting a device. So many manufacturers release multiple handset designs a year, but how many of us select one based on the least compromises in the handset/OS, rather than 'extra' features it has over and above our basic needs?

mdalacu said:
I am impressed!
- no more fragmentation, same app on phone and tablet
- HW accelerated ui
- integrated data usage control app
- browser engine is closer to webkit sources and have HC bookmark sync
- nice task manager, swipe and close app
- notification LED
I am worried about:
- no SD CARD in Nexus phone. i hope that the OS support the extention.
- on screen hw buttons, not my type
- no word about tethering, i hope is still present
- no word about open source it ?!?!?
- i hope face unlock does not increase even more the "wake up lag"
- no pen API - my next phone will be SG Note, i hope.
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based the link below
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus-4219.php

Eh, I must say, google is never the one to overhype their software updates and honestly they've yet to be impressive. Microsoft and apple hype their updates up because they can live up to the hype. The only people walking around anticipating the new ICS update is... Well... You guys. IOS and even wp7 hyped their updates because they delivered more than just a definitive Ui change.

snice the SDK has released is it better to start developing for ICS4 already?

Yeah, not impressed at all. What were they thinking with this presentation?
Don't remember who from Google said something like "you'll be amazed at how many new features we added in such a short time".
This made me think of several things we saw this past year like:
-better USB compatibility (HID?) they talked about at the Google I/O -> not a single accessorie
-same Os for tablets and Phones -> were are the tablets?
-HDMI out used to display something like a real desktop on an HD screen like Motorola and some others were trying to make -> a phone without HDMI port?
-unified Os, unified updates? -> nothing discussed
No need to say how much I was disappointed.
But, well, that's overall improvement, just that...

Impressed? We have not had a chance to use it yet?!
All i want from ICS is a HW accelerated UI. People will swear othewise, but Androids UI experience is NOT liquid smooth. It gets frustrating at times

I'm reserving my judgement till I get my hands on it. So far though, I can't say I'm either disappointed or blown away. My device works as I'd like it to for now. The progression goes something like this: keep on stock for as long as I'm able to hold out; unlock the damn bootloader and go crazy with ROMs; anticipate my new device; repeat the insanity. Right now, I'm only at the first step. Maybe I'd be disappointed if the news came while I was at the third.
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Top hardware but lots of stuttering: do we deserve better?

OK, I bought an Android Tablet. Although the iPads probably are better for the average user, that's not the case for me: I'm a developer, a tweaker. I want to root stuff, to play with widgets, customisations, and so on. That's why I feel more related to Google than to Apple.
So I went for an Android tablet. I did not want a cheap, slow, outdated one like the ones you can buy at the supermarket for no money.
I was going for quality, so I bought an Asus Infinity. The tablet with the fastest hardware you can get. Splendid HD screen. Nice hardware keyboard included. This should be a top buy!
I have the tablet for some days now, and yes, the hardware is quite good. Decent aluminium unibody, although the color is not my style and the shiny metal catches all finger prints. The 1920 x 1200 display is really outstanding. No complaints here.
But where it goes wrong is the software ...
Android ICS, with minor tweaks by Asus, looks ok. But the OS and apps don't run smooth at all...
Apps run slugish or even freeze for seconds. Even keyboard input hangs sometimes. The stock browser and the Google Chrome browser can render basic sites quite well, but more advanced stuff like animations and video is just bad.
I compared with an iPad 1 and the iPad almost always wins involving smoothness of scrolling and interacting with inline video. An iPad 1, more than 2 years old, is faster than the Android tablet with the fastest hardware available on tablets. That's just ... sad. Very disapointing.
Another problem is the fact that no sites are well tested on Android, resulting in quirks that probably are solved on iOS because every decent site developer does test on his iPhone and iPad. But not on the huge number of Android devices out there. And being a developer myself, I know by experience that each device can have its own quirks.
A good example is wrong platform detection, resulting in bad user experience at the best, lack of features, or even no content at all at worst. 'You need to install Flash to run this site' ... Ok, Android can run Flash, but its days are over, as we all know.
So, what's up next?
Shall I make use of the 'cooling down period' and return this tablet? Exchange it for an iPad3? Will Jelly Bean solve some issues? Will these problems be solved by a system update? Will future sites be rendered better when html standards are used more often and Android browsers improve?
That’s a lot of if’s, no?
Apps running slow:
-stock browser
-Chrome
-Dolphin browser: better than the above, but css3 transformations/animations still very bad compared to iOS
-Google plus: scrolling the items is really bad
-Pulse: swiping between pages of an open article is slow and stutters
-Google Earth: slow and even crashes
Apps running ok:
-gmail: smooth
-currents: rather ok, sometimes
-Plume: ok
-Google maps: smooth
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!

My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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chevdor said:
My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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Don't get me wrong, I am very aware of the benefits of Android. That's why I bought an Infinity ;-)
But I have a strong feeling that surfing the web is just a better experience on an iPad ... and surfing is a primary task for me and most of us.
Dolphin HD works the best, but still regular freezes of seconds. I guess this should be better with the outstanding hardware of the infinity, no?
Tnx for your response.

Gert Stalpaert said:
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!
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I know this is not the ideal answer regarding a device you just paid top dollar for but: it may have some software issues but it also has highly capable hardware. Thankfully, there will be many great developers paying attention to this device. Either via official updates or through the combined efforts of the community (or both), I expect most of the issues will be worked out. At the very least, the updates Jelly Bean brings address the lagging and stuttering on Android, and this device will most likely get it soon enough. You can rest assured knowing this is one of the best Android 10-inchers out there and with the proper support it can only get better.

I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.

acdcking12345 said:
I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.
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I had been considering getting a new iPad rather than waiting for Android to get the tablet basics right; however, the main reason why I haven't is my dislike for Apple's motto of litigation over innovation. So I will give Android tabs another chance and get the Infinity. There will definitely be another *new* iPad and this will certainly not be my last tablet. Hopefully Jelly Bean will improve the whole experience. If it gets it and I love it, then great. Otherwise, I am sure I will be able to sell it for a decent price.

I see what you mean. I figure when you can get a tab with Jelly Bean, I hope that android tabs will work better. I hope so. Android is open source and great things go on with newly developed ROMS.
I just can't handle all of the crap wrong and all of the constant issues having to be fixed. For awhile, Ill use the Ipad 3 and wait until android really kick ass. Unless the new MS Tablet is even better.

Android will never compete with UI experience in comparision to Apple unless they change the underlying system.
Apple gives all power to the UI first which results in a smooth experience. But that will also cost power for background tasks. So while you can smoothly scroll your pages in a PDF suddenly it takes ages to load a page, I have seen it.
Android is balanced. So you might see stuttering while scrolling through PDF's but pages will load a lot faster.
That as an example.
It is up to you what system you prefer.
There is a detailed blog post by some google dev somewhere, couldn't find it, sorry.

Jelly bean will definetly smooth out anything having to do with touch response such as scrolling and pinch zooming. That is if it does what its supposed too.
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My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.

KilerG said:
My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.
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This is only our wishful thinking, not a fact yet.
I don't see iPad outperforming Infinity in real life performance however, apart from lags when copying large amounts of data (I can't seem to notice iPad 2 being better for browsing, tried it with iPad 2 today - and remember that on the Infinity it is 1920x1200; iPad 3 with a somewhat better resolution has been reported to become burning hot btw).

What bothers me is not the issues with Android, but the shortcuts and crappy manufacturing that seems to plague the category. Asus, for example, comes out with innovative stuff but seems to chronically release devices before they're ready. Samsung came out with a solid, if uninspiring, 10 inch tablet last year, but the new one has been getting reviews that say it's inferior to the previous model. The Nexus 7 is finally rolling out, but with reports of sloppy build -- Asus strikes again? The Acer has decent specs on paper but doesn't make the target in terms of real-life operation.
I hate Apple with a fire deep in my belly. But, most of the time (iPhone 4 antenna excepted), when they release a mobile product, it's ready to roll -- functionally and aesthetically. Much higher initially quality than the Android products I've had or shopped.
Seriously, how fooking hard can it be to put together a decent feature set and build it properly?

I see your point. There have been numerous bugs in every single iPhone version however. My friend who was apple-lover has returned 80% of their devices in the recent years - from iPad 2, through MacBook Air to LCD.
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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.

MrPhilo said:
It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.
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You say this, yet the Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 isn't as good as the one in the Infinity. The GPU is plenty capable, as it's buttery smooth in Jelly Bean. There is no GPU limitation, it's software at the moment.

So here is my quick background.
I have been a huge fan of tablet. I started out with Windows based tablet back when it was Windows XP that was like 7-8 years ago. Then I moved onto very first android tablet Xoom. Switched to Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Due to specific application only available on Ipad, I had to go with Ipad so I bought iPad 2 and sold Galaxy 10.1, which I still have. I then got Galaxy 10.1 4G Verizon back, which I sold in anticipation of Transformer infinity..
So with that, here is my take on iOS vs. Android.
"Really depends on what you do."
Stability/Fluidity: iOS
It is indeed the fact iPad runs smoother. Though there are some test showed higher stability rate of Android over the iOS, my personal experience goes along with crowd i.e. iOS is more stable. BUT I have not tried ICS (nor New iPad).
Also there is another catch here. iPad is not fail safe. It does still crush and if it crush, it crushes constantly i.e. simply cannot open the file or perform the action.
Multitasking: Android
As someone else suggested earlier in this forum, this is probably due to difference in the underlying focus/design motto between iOS and Android. iOS DOES NOT do real multitasking. I know some say it does, but it's not true for at least the current iOS version and with my iPad 2.
It basically freezes/hibernate the background application. I tried to download files in background several times, or have some application load files into, which usually takes several minutes as it tries to decompress or do whatever it needs to. So after launching these tasks, I go surf web with different browser or application. I go back there is nearly zero progression. There may be minimal multitasking as I have seen progression of downloading file for like 1MB after 10 minutes but this happened more like within the initial few minutes or seconds and since then it had to be frozen in background because I did check this after 2 minutes and still the progression were the same.
Alternatively, needless to say but Android allows you to download files in background but sounds like transformer line suffers from hanging when this happens. I never used torrent on tablet but I remember downloading some files like 100MB+ on web in background while I was using some other application, which usually worked no problem but my foreground application was not demanding.
Applications: Mixed
This is where it really comes down to what you want. Many says Apple store is better, which I agree with games. So if games are your priority, I go with iPAD. It may change in the future, but by the time it changes basically you can buy newer better tablet anyways. So for now for games, go with iPad. But personally, if truly want to play games, I'd rather by portable gaming system like 3DS or PS Vita... But that's just me. Apple store certainly have more selections, and better optimized for iPad. However, many of iPad applications are not free and no real trial. So you have to sort of buy and see.
Whereas, android has tons of applications that are free with ad. This may be one reason why app developers are not making much money on Android market hence avoiding or deprioritizing... who knows. But some applications are simply better on Android. For instance, I use Anki which is perhaps the best cross platform flashcard application. If you want to have the real version of Anki on iPad it costs $20+. You can sort of do a work around with cheaper $5 application but you won't get autosynch of decks, no statistics transfer etc. Whereas on Android.... It's FREE and does autosynch. Other application is ebook reader like epub and pdf. When comparing iPad applications to the Android at least iPad 2 vs. Galaxy 10.1, large files like 300+MB epubs opened much quicker on Galaxy 10.1. Not sure if this is due to pure CPU advantage vs. application difference.
Notifications: Android
Sort of fits into the multitasking but iOS notification is less invasive (using good term), less evident (more of cons for me). When I get new email, Android nicely shows pop up on the corner. In IOS, I generally have no clue until I close my application and check my email. Though notification works with iMessage so may be its just Apple deciding who gets what access to the notification.
File Transfer/Management: Android
Huge downside of Apple. In last 6 months or so, they have added wifi file transfer/synching but this happens only when you have your iPad plugged into outlet.
Individual applications may decide to offer wifi file transfer, but generally slow and its individual application based.
Files are local to each application so very easy to have duplicated files consuming your hard drive space. For instance, if you have a book in iBook, opening it in other EPUB reader you simply have to make a duplicate copy within the other application.
Android is basically simply drag and drop and generally most files can be open from any application anywhere though some does make its own local copy. As far as transfer, AirDroid is such an awesome application.
Jellybean:
The theme of this is amazing. The functionality is not ground breaking but Google finally decides to put emphasis on the UI fluidity. So if it achieves what its intended, I think overall Android simply becomes better ecosystem as it already offers more functionality and flexibility but the major drawback/downside was the UI fluidity. Though as far as application stability, I am not sure if Jellybean is answering that part as I never read anywhere specifically stating such. In any event, ASUS generally so fast in pushing the latest version of Android, I would personally wait until Jelly bean comes out and see if it truly solves the issues. Its definitely a possibility but no gurantee so buying something based on the speculation may not be an optimum unless you got tons of money to spare.
Nexus 7:
Just like Jellybean. This is simple speculation, and probably we should not buy a system based on "what will likely to happen" because there is no guarantee. But I am speculating/hoping when Nexus 7 sells well, which probably does. Developers will have much better support on tablets. Even though Nexus 7 is 7 inch tablet, its resolution is compatible to non-high def android tablet i.e. in theory all the nexus 7 optimized applications will look native on the non-high def android tablet though button layouts may be slightly suboptimal. This is definitely much better than scaling phone app onto the tablet resolution.

I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.

robhorsefield said:
I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
The I/O issue isn't hardware related from what I can tell. It really just seems like something that just needs to be resolved in the kernel.

robhorsefield said:
I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...) I wonder if ASUS just took a bunch of hardware components, fit them together like a puzzle, and then sat on it for months without testing waiting for release. This device is coming half a year after it was announced. These issues could have been corrected.

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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
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It wasn't exactly the same. ...same poor design and manufacture problems, so same opinions and comments apply, sorry, fact.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...)
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Bang on the point, thanks. And compounded also with the Prime GPS debacle.
I doubt Apple will let another Antenna-gate slip out, we'll see.

Sold my TF700 for an ipad 4gen.

I'm not here to argue of which is better but i made the decision after trying so many android tablets. I love android, the widgets, home screen customization, etc. i just felt that the apps are not well optimize (this is not android fault). I really thought that JB butter smooth (even with clean rom installed which i was using) was smooth or smoother than IOS ipad 4gen, boy was i wrong. This is so smooth from the get go, no tweaking, overclocking, etc. I love android for phone (own a GS3) but after using so many android tabs, apps still need alot of work. One thing i have to say about IOS, it looks so outdated, but the apps are more fluid and more polish than android.
i have to say that what really surprise me was Windows 8 tablet. I was at bestbuy trying the new Asus vivo and was blown away by the OS. In the future depending on the apps avail it could be my first choices for tablet.

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I'm not here to argue of which is better but i made the decision after trying so many android tablets. I love android, the widgets, home screen customization, etc. i just felt that the apps are not well optimize (this is not android fault). I really thought that JB butter smooth (even with clean rom installed which i was using) was smooth or smoother than IOS ipad 4gen, boy was i wrong. This is so smooth from the get go, no tweaking, overclocking, etc. I love android for phone (own a GS3) but after using so many android tabs, apps still need alot of work. One thing i have to say about IOS, it looks so outdated, but the apps are more fluid and more polish than android.
i have to say that what really surprise me was Windows 8 tablet. I was at bestbuy trying the new Asus vivo and was blown away by the OS. In the future depending on the apps avail it could be my first choices for tablet.
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I respect your decision, but I do think you stepped out of the game at the wrong time
Seeing how the Nexus 10 is given such a warm welcome, my guess would be that a lot of developers will now also create/optimise apps for tablets.
Like I said: I think the logical switch would have been the other way around, but that's just me
pS: Let us know how you like the development section for the iPad and which custom Rom and/or kernel you like the best. And what voltage and clock speeds you'll be using on your new ... Oh right .... It's an Apple

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I respect your decision, but I do think you stepped out of the game at the wrong time
Seeing how the Nexus 10 is given such a warm welcome, my guess would be that a lot of developers will now also create/optimise apps for tablets.
Like I said: I think the logical switch would have been the other way around, but that's just me
pS: Let us know how you like the development section for the iPad and which custom Rom and/or kernel you like the best. And what voltage and clock speeds you'll be using on your new ... Oh right .... It's an Apple
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Thats my point, i have been using android since i can remember. never was happy the way it was shipped out, always needed to rooted it and install customized rom to get it to work faster. Ipad is just perfect from the get go, TF700 tegra 3 overclocked or my other samsung note 10.1 with quad eynox could not run the games, apps, browser, smoothnes like an ipad 4gen. Again not bashing android but the true have to be said and i was one of the apple hater never to buy an apple product.
Second which i did not mention. with apple you don't have to worrry about quality control issues. Seems that they really inspect their devices. no dead pixesl, NO SCREEN SEPARATION, no BACKLIGHT BLEEDING, SCRATCHES from manufacture and other things. i exchanged my asus tablet 5 times until getting a decent one. From now i can only say that Nexus 10 has backlight issues in most of them.
EDIT: things i really miss, having built in hdmi, having a microsd slot, having files just plug in pc drag and drop.

....seriously man? You created a thread to tell the world you sold your infinity? Do you have nothing else to do?
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pierrekid said:
....seriously man? You created a thread to tell the world you sold your infinity? Do you have nothing else to do?
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
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Well you read it, so you must have nothing else to do! Haha, just joking around.
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pierrekid said:
....seriously man? You created a thread to tell the world you sold your infinity? Do you have nothing else to do?
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
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Yes, just like u can find plenty of thread from people who have switch from TF700 to Note 10.1

Yeah iPad 4 even the previous new iPad (3) was pretty quick and snappy, but so is the spectacular-ness of the Blackberry Playbook browser.
I own a Playbook, but I find it's GUI to be about as boring as iOS on the iPad.
Android 4.x (that's ICS, Jellybean and what ever after) GUI has more depth which I like.
Windows 8's new Start menu (Metro) GUI just looks pretty generic to me, and I already know the RT batches of Surface tablets and partner Win RT tablets are inferior by the fact that they are RT and not intel.
I've already seen folks complain about the Surface RT the same problems we see on our Android ARM tablets. So it would be wise to wait to January 2013 when Microsoft unleashes the real PC tablets, Windows 8 Pro powered by Intel i5, i7 and next gen Atom cpu.

Useless thread.

Why all the hate people? Like it or not the apps on iOS are better. iOS has been and still is smoother than any android device. This guy is not lying when he says that the iPad is good straight out of the box.
Don't be fanboys. Accept the fact that android needs work (at least on the tablet side of things).
There are times when this tablet (infinity) has passed me off, with its random freezes and hardware issue. Hopefully with the nexus 10 out, developers will start making tablet optimized apps (and hopefully soon Google makes a tablet specific section in the play store, so we don't have to guess which app is for tablets!!!).
Google really needs to set specific hardware requirements and needs to really work on smoothness. For example, screen rotation on the iPad is unbelievably smooth, it like the screen is on a pivot. While rotating it on android looks very choppy and it drops frames.
What pisses me off about iOS tho is the lack of (access) to a file system and its closed system. So still tho android all the way.

I guess to each his own because I have an ipad3 within arms reach and I choose my infinity every time. My son and wife use the ipad though so it's not completely unused. I used the ipad3.. gave it a chance, but I didn't find it to be omg smoother. I didn't find the retina display to be omg better either. What I did find is that I love the keyboard and that without it, the extra battery, and the added storage, the ipad will just sit there as long as I have a choice to pick up my infinity. Not saying you made the wrong choice, just saying to each his own. peace

eduardmc said:
Second which i did not mention. with apple you don't have to worrry about quality control issues. Seems that they really inspect their devices. no dead pixesl, NO SCREEN SEPARATION, no BACKLIGHT BLEEDING, SCRATCHES from manufacture and other things.
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Hahahahaha, just wait until something does break.
I'm iPodless untill mid-february just because of their lousy customer support. And I've already heard it's been declared dead, so I get a 70% refund (because I paid for the additional 3 (ahem, official+2) years insurance) but not untill the thing comes back from the factory. In China. For which I have to pay the transport costs myself. And guess what isn't for sale anymore. That's right, the iPod nano 5th. I have to pay 100 euros extra just because they messed up, plus extra costs for yet another cover and such. And a new docking station, because my 300 euro Bose one won't fit anymore. FU Apple.
Asus might refuse to fix your device for free if you unlocked it, but that's a choice you make. If you open up your Xbox, you void warranty just as much because of the seal on it. Unlocking is no different, other than that it's done via software. But at least they have a decent warranty for 3 years, and you can just send it back if it breaks. They don't make you jump through 50 hoops just to get in touch with the store, because you have 'non-itunes originating music on your ipod'. At least Asus doesn't whine about something which is bloody legal here!.
Just for the record, thousands of people DID get a decent Infinity straight away. It's just that some people don't appear to be smart enough to realize that if you get two broken tablets from the same store in a short space of time, the whole shipment might be faulty. They just keep going back and getting more broken ones, and blame Asus for it...

eduardmc said:
Second which i did not mention. with apple you don't have to worrry about quality control issues. Seems that they really inspect their devices. no dead pixesl, NO SCREEN SEPARATION, no BACKLIGHT BLEEDING, SCRATCHES from manufacture and other things. i exchanged my asus tablet 5 times until getting a decent one. From now i can only say that Nexus 10 has backlight issues in most of them.
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Really? So I guess all those reports of iPhones 5 coming out of the box all scratched up were bunk, right? I guess all those backlight bleeding topics about iPads were all made up too? I guess the yellow tinging of screens that was blamed on glue not being dry from factory didn't actually pop up?
Know what the fact is? It's all luck of the draw. I've been at this board for 4 days now, but these topics "I got xxxxx, see you later!" as if you're rubbing it in everyone's face is moronic at best. No one cares if you jumped ship and got a different tablet.

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Know what the fact is? It's all luck of the draw. I've been at this board for 4 days now, but these topics "I got xxxxx, see you later!" as if you're rubbing it in everyone's face is moronic at best. No one cares if you jumped ship and got a different tablet.
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I think this ^^ pretty much sums it up. Why the hell should we care what you've sold and/or bought? This is the Infinity forum -- go to the Apple forums and tel them how happy you are. They're bound to like it, whereas here the entire forum gets clogged up.

Man you folks are some rude people. Them man jumped ship for greener pasture, and he just wanted to share his experience. No need to be a **** about him leaving.
I gave my wife an ipad. Trust me, first impression is that its great hardware, but its not the ipad thats the problem, its Apple. The longer you use it for day to day stuff, the more you will realize how much freedom you gave up. A year from now, you r going to have wifi issues, ramdom locking and no way to fix them and no community to turn to. Anyways, good luck to you and come back and let us know how your experience with ipad goes after several months. Really looking forward to hear about it.
By the way, i offered her to buy her a newer model ipad and she flat out refused. She never wants to deal with apples bull**** again. I never loved that women more.

cbmech said:
Man you folks are some rude people. Them man jumped ship for greener pasture, and he just wanted to share his experience. No need to be a **** about him leaving.
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Frankly, he should never have made this post at all. It serves NO purpose to the community, short of drumming up angry conversations. To be blunt.. you leaving is your choice, and every decision doesn't need to be shared (thank you facebook generation).