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I've spent about an hour now Googling how I might accomplish using my android as an USB device. Came across the mistake again of buying a dell and am dealing with drivers 2 years out of date and dell refusing to do anything about it. So the sound on the laptop is horrible and the audio jacks don't actually output sound. Great for advertising "SRS" on a laptop which has 2 year old sound drivers. So I'm looking for a USB solution through my android so that I can plug up some headphones and listen to the computer through the phone. Not just music either. Games, web browsers, and the likes as well.
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Get an external sound card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829118013
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102036
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102032
Yup... The best you might be able to do is DLNA via Wi-Fi - not straight USB audio from the host PC.
And I bet if you do some searching you can find improved drivers for your Dell.
Already thought of the external sound card. I've also spent hours searching for work arounds for the dell drivers, only option is Linux but no wireless drivers on fedora, no graphics drivers on Ubuntu and I've never had luck with debian. So at this point investing any more money into the laptop is a waste when I could be saving to get a new one. So I've looked into dlna, not a perfect fix. Its a small solution to part of the problem.
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Already thought of the external sound card. I've also spent hours searching for work arounds for the dell drivers, only option is Linux but no wireless drivers on fedora, no graphics drivers on Ubuntu and I've never had luck with debian. So at this point investing any more money into the laptop is a waste when I could be saving to get a new one. So I've looked into dlna, not a perfect fix. Its a small solution to part of the problem.
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Which Dell is this?
I'm really surprised at no graphics drivers in Ubuntu, unless you've got one of those oddball Intel Atom Z500-series netbooks.
Actually have two laptops which have that issue with Ubuntu. The first is the Dell Xps studio 1737 with the Intel 4500mhd and the other problematic one is the dell 14r with an Intel HD. The first I've never had the driver issues in Windows cause you can just download drivers from Intel. But on Ubuntu they both run off of a driver designed for the Intel GMA 945 so no pixel shader 1.1,2.0,3.0 and not fully dx9 compatible due to the driver not allowing hw T&L support. So performance is worse than the 2yr old drivers provided by Dell. That and there's also the issue of the screen always not working (cue current class action lawsuit against dell for designing computers with screens which were made to break)
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Actually have two laptops which have that issue with Ubuntu. The first is the Dell Xps studio 1737 with the Intel 4500mhd and the other problematic one is the dell 14r with an Intel HD. The first I've never had the driver issues in Windows cause you can just download drivers from Intel. But on Ubuntu they both run off of a driver designed for the Intel GMA 945 so no pixel shader 1.1,2.0,3.0 and not fully dx9 compatible due to the driver not allowing hw T&L support. So performance is worse than the 2yr old drivers provided by Dell. That and there's also the issue of the screen always not working (cue current class action lawsuit against dell for designing computers with screens which were made to break)
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Which version of Ubuntu? I know around 10.x or 9.x (can't remember exactly which) Ubuntu was in the middle of a major Intel driver architecture overhaul and the Intel driver performance SUCKED for 2-3 releases.
Newer versions (like 11.04) have MUCH better Intel driver support.
Orly? I have been using natty narwhale for a short bit and never really looked into that on my x4500mhd machine. Unfortunately however I've been using 11.04 on the HD with no luck. I think its maybe with an exclusive dell part though because performance is worse on the HD than the x4500 which makes no sense if its the dame driver.
Been trying to as well mount the audio using a Linux terminal. No luck.
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Orly? I have been using natty narwhale for a short bit and never really looked into that on my x4500mhd machine. Unfortunately however I've been using 11.04 on the HD with no luck. I think its maybe with an exclusive dell part though because performance is worse on the HD than the x4500 which makes no sense if its the dame driver.
Been trying to as well mount the audio using a Linux terminal. No luck.
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Weird. I do recall that Sandy Bridge graphics had some known issues that were going to require another driver rearchitecture, likely resulting in people being hosed until 11.10 was released.
And I just realized from reading above - an XPS with Intel integrated graphics? Are they kidding? That's clear evidence that the XPS branding no longer means ANYTHING. It used to be the "Gaming" line, but no gaming-oriented machine has Intel integrated graphics.
It plays games decently. It was bought 4yrs ago I believe. The option was that or an nvidia graphics set but my grandmother was looking for cheap. But it does decently well. I usually only play mount and blade and europa universalis. Which is probably now a symptom of having the graphics set LOL.
Lawlz I mounted the audio from Linux on my computer to my phone. Problem is, sound never worked for my Linux on my android so I'm actually just assuming it would work if my Linux sound worked.
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Many would prefer a real Linux running on their phones or tablets, and that might not be too far away: http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/11/01/ubuntu-versus-android-for-phones-and-tablets/
Now how about a Gnome or KDE desktop environment to go with it?
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Plasma is already being developed for mobile devices. Looks very promising.
Shoot me if I'm wrong, but MeeGo looks great as well.
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I support all open-source variants whether it is android, ubuntu, webos or meego
by the way, someone has tried to port ubuntu 11.04 to touchpad
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1304475
Why limit it to just one distro? What I'd like to have is the ability to run any chosen distro. This would require a bootloader that can load an arbitrary kernel, and all hardware drivers in a form that allows them to be compiled for any arbitrary kernel. This means keeping up with new releases of the kernel and new X versions. Like Nvidia does it for their Geforce graphic cards. Even better would be open-source drivers, but if the vendor keeps up, I don't mind a closed driver for a few hardware pieces.
But that's utopian thinking. And that's why (plus a few other reasons) I'll always prefer a netbook over a tablet. As for phones, with Nokia dropping Meego, I don't see any "true" Linux taking off.
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:-( the 10 post limit strikes again..
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How would YOU run windows on an android tablet? im getting the asus transformer prime and im wondering how you would get windows on an android tablet in the same way that viewsonic would ! come on devs im sure someone has an idea! post it here and lets figure it out.!
Link ( there might be a newer one out)
http://ap.viewsonic.com/za/products/viewpad/viewpad10/
don't see it happening
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How would YOU run windows on an android tablet? im getting the asus transformer prime and im wondering how you would get windows on an android tablet in the same way that viewsonic would ! come on devs im sure someone has an idea! post it here and lets figure it out.!
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I wish you luck with this one. I just can't see it happening.
Maybe Ubuntu ported and Wine to run some Windows apps. That I could see as remotely possible.
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Look up the new view sonic tablet. Somehow they do it o.o and iv already got a basic idea of how to get linux onto the tablet but if I could run windows that would just be cool.
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LG are supposed to be releasing a new handset soon with VMWare already on board. You might be able to use a virtual Win 7 mobile, or if/when Win 8 gets ARM support, use Win 8?
The Viewsonic does it by shipping with an Intel processor. Most Android devices have ARM processors, which makes it much more complicated. You would need an emulator like VMWare.
But its doable? Because I think the asus can handle it
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Not really, the problem is that windows in its actual version doesn't run on the ARM-architecture used in all Android-Tablets. If Windows 8 comes with an ARM-Version it could be possible to get it on Android-Tablets. Another Problem is, that Windows is not open-source, which makes it really hard to modify it.
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It would take an entirely new kernel to get it to run on an ARM processor. Everything has to change and I doubt anybody would be willing to figure it out and write an entire kernel.
The Transformer Prime has a Tegra 3 CPU, meaning ARM architecture. You would need an ARM version of Windows to run on it (meaning Win8). Also, correct me if I am wrong, Windows applications need to be compiled to run on ARM as well. Meaning, you can just download anything and expect it to install.
EDIT: The Viewsonic tablet in question has an Intel Atom processor (which is x86), an Atom N455 to be exact. That's why Windows has no problem running on it.
Oh.....but win8 would work? ....I know the ipad has a win emulator
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Hey everyone, I am new to this site and the whole Android Development thing altogether.
I have been researching and pondering an idea of mine for some time now and I have yet to find any answers. I have been looking at an old laptop of mine that I basically just use for movies/surfing as it is pretty outdated (Gateway MX-6959: 1.66GHz CPU, 2GB RAM, Intel Integrated Graphics) but it is fine for older games and emulators. I also have an HTC Amaze 4G Android Phone that has similar Specs (1.5GHx CPU, 1GB RAM, Adreno 220 Graphics).
This question I have is would it be possible to build a small custom case to house the needed hardware and a simple cooling system and use the hardware from any run-of-the-mill Android Smartphone I might be able to get my hands on (1GHz+ CPu, 512MB-1GB RAM, Adreno or similar GPU...which I will root/overclock) to build a Micro PC that runs Android 4.0 and can run emulators (GBA, PS1, etc) as well as Android HD Games like Modern Combat 3, N.O.V.A., etc.
Is it possible to do this? If not, what are the constraints to the project? What all would it entail?
Any information/advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.
See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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Yes Android PC, or Ubuntu mobile...
I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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Doing a bit more research, I have found something called ODROID-X. IT it using a Samsung Exynos 4412 Cortex A9 Quad Core Processor (1.4GHz), 1GB RAM, and Mali-400 graphics. These seem very similar to my Amaze 4G...maybe even a bit better. Does anyone know if this unit can be overclocked? If so, how far can it be pushed and still be stable? As I stated, I want to design it in a custom case that I can rig a small scale cooling unit to in order to keep the OC'ed CPU stable.
I only really want to take on the project if it will be able to handle the higher-end Android games/emulators. Modern Combat 2-3, N.O.V.A. 1-2-3, PS1 emulator, etc.
Sorry for all of the questions by the way, I am still VERY NEW to the whole custom hardware/software scene and I just want to make sure I do everything the correct way.
I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.
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I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.
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I could, true...and still may at some point since I have 3 at my disposal. But, I just like the idea of making something new...and I want to learn more about the hardware as well.
a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
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a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
I might look into that for other things, but that defeats the purpose of what I am trying to do. I want to BUILD a system. I'm leaning towards the ODROID-X Platform, but I need to figure out developing a custom case than I can mount a couple fans to since I plan to overclock as high as the Samsung Sxynos 1.4GHz Quad Core and MAli-400 graphics can be taken and remain stable. I also need to figure out what type of power supply I would need to use since the ODROID-X uses 5V / 2A, I don't know how I would need to set it up to plus into a wall outlet.
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Get a big enough tablet, attach a keyboard, and you have an Android PC.
But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.
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But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.
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Ubuntu is nothing like android. It's a full-fledged computer OS; compared to it, android is just a toy.
For that matter, I'm not sure why you'd prefer android for a computer, but whatever floats your boat.
you won´t be able to run N.o.v.a 3 or any of those games on a androidx86 image, because those games are compiled for arm not x86.
Just buy an Ouya.
When I say PC, I think I messed up, I simple meant a system in a box, plugged into the wall lol. The hardware is ARM, the OS on ODROID-X is 4.0ICS. It's a venture to play Android HD games/websurf with a controller or keyboard and mouse via Bluetooth on an HDTV.
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http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
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http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
So? what's it going to take?
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the new ubuntu OS looks sexy !!
Two Separate Things
To clarify, those are two separate things. One is an entirely new mobile phone OS, the other is a docked desktop OS that runs alongside Android, sharing the kernel and other resources. The Engadget article for the Ubuntu for Android is here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/24/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on/. I'm very excited about the possibility of Ubuntu for Android, but it looks like only OEMs can talk to them about it.
I like the way the OS looks, but I rather have buttons than have swipe gestures. Gestures are what my playbook and RIM excel at.
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they should make an Ubuntu development subforum once this bad boy gets ported
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This is simply marvelous:good:, I love it!
I'd pay to have a working port of that!
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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I read they are going to release test builds for the galaxy nexus periodicly... But if its Ubuntu... I'm sure its going to be completely open source and it said its built to use android kernel and drivers so I'm sure one day we will get a port. Not sure if our phone is capable of running the Ubuntu os and the desktop dock thing. It said to use desktop dock you have to have a quadcore
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Reading further you yes they intend to have it completely open source and they also plan to make it easily portable to devices that run android
I'm definitely going to want to see it
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Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
Just finished watching the youtube intro for this. So excited. This is what I've been waiting for, for a very long time.
I installed Ubuntu natively on my Xoom a while back, it ran a bit slow but was useable. The main problem was the touchscreen driver. The HOXL is quite a bit faster than the Xoom, so it should work nicely. I'd like to get my hands on that smartphone version of Ubuntu.
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Ubuntu on an XL with a bluetooth kb and mouse and something like a Toshiba Dynadock would rock. We'd have a vga out, multiple powered usb ports, headphone jack and a wired network connection in addition to 3G/4G and wifi.
Given that the One XL outperforms a lot of the quadcore phones on the market, it should be powerful enough to run this.
I'm running desktop Ubuntu on an old G5 imac (1 * 1.8GHz ppc processor). That is fast enough for my uses. It should scream on the dual 1.5GHz S4's.
I do recall putting together a linux from scratch OS while I was at uni ... Hrmm. I was actually due for a new computer. Maybe I'll turn my phone into my desktop.
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I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
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I think you sound a little overly optimistic in my opinion. I don't think it'll run nearly as smooth as you think, but hell, compared to a PPC970 it may actually be faster. Your biggest issue is going to be the lack of memory. 1 GB is going to start looking mighty low when it comes to running desktop apps on it.
In their specs, they name a quad core A9 as required to run the desktop mode, but in my opinion I wouldn't really bother getting too excited until you're running at least an A15. An Exynos 5 Quad with 2 GB of RAM would probably run quite nicely. Anything less and I think you'll be dealing with a somewhat slow system. Look at the Chromebooks with the Exynos 5. People are loading Ubuntu on those and saying they run great. That's where I'd put the baseline for a desktop, but again, memory would be your biggest limitation at that point. I suppose it also depends on what they can strip out of the desktop version of Ubuntu that comes bundled. If it can be very lightweight, it would help greatly in the memory use department.
Speaking of stripping things out, the One X isn't likely going to be an ideal device for this due to it's lack of storage space also. You'd run out of space REALLY fast if you tried to install a few desktop apps.
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yeah, I'm optimistic. It won't be a highly spec'd desktop by any means, but I'm not really a gamer (the only games I'd play on it would be chess and freeciv. You are correct - 1 GB of RAM is not a lot, and it'd struggle with any heavyweight desktop app, but I've got the Tesltra HTC one XL (which is 32 GB not 16 like the AT&T version), so it should be slightly more usable (at least while I'm waiting for manufacturers to start releasing linux phones).
For storage I'd mostly be using my home NAS, and the cloud options available.
I get that it will be quite limited, but I'd still like to see what it can do