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4gb internal storage is useless, or is it not

I know there are problems with android using or seeing over 2gb, so i wont bother with talking about that.
Instead, i wonder why i am running very low on memory when there is 2gb internal storage that android will see or use. I removed alot of the att crap using titanium backup.
Android install uses, really, that much for the rom and stuff that ONLY half (1gb) is free for us to use up?
I wonder if its possible to increase the internal memory seen?? Probably not. But i remember back using the hd2 with android we could increase the data file size to 2gb and it had alot more room to play with

carhigh said:
I know there are problems with android using or seeing over 2gb, so i wont bother with talking about that.
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What do you mean? I've got the Captivate, and it has a 2GB ROM and has 1.42GB free, and then both the internal and external SD cards are approx 16GB each and Android sees that.

gk527 said:
What do you mean? I've got the Captivate, and it has a 2GB ROM and has 1.42GB free, and then both the internal and external SD cards are approx 16GB each and Android sees that.
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This has nothing to do with sd cards. Im only talking about INTERNAL memory. The inspire has 4gb INTERNAL and android only can work with 2. So the other 2 of internal memory is useless, right now anyways. I think maybe in the future a newer version of android may be able to use it ..... but whatever
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See, thats what im wondering here. That captivate has 2gb internal and you have 1.42 free. So far it seems i can only get a hair over 1gb free. So it mkes me think the ROM is using almost an entire gig or the internal memory?????

carhigh said:
This has nothing to do with sd cards. Im only talking about INTERNAL memory. The inspire has 4gb INTERNAL and android only can work with 2. So the other 2 of internal memory is useless, right now anyways. I think maybe in the future a newer version of android may be able to use it ..... but whatever
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Ok, I'm not sure on the internal memory or not.
carhigh said:
See, thats what im wondering here. That captivate has 2gb internal and you have 1.42 free. So far it seems i can only get a hair over 1gb free. So it mkes me think the ROM is using almost an entire gig or the internal memory?????
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I've got a lot of apps installed. Including some that takes a lot of space like Need for Speed Shift.

The Inspire 4G has 4GB of internal memory, 1GB of which is usable.

synnyster said:
The Inspire 4G has 4GB of internal memory, 1GB of which is usable.
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I don't understand that... Why? Is this a flaw in the ROM? Android? What is the other 3GB used for?

gk527 said:
I don't understand that... Why? Is this a flaw in the ROM? Android? What is the other 3GB used for?
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Does anyone know?

This might help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB

I don't care about the other 2gb of memory. I want to know why the Rom uses almost a gig itself and we get left with almost nothing. I know I can move apps to storage card, but that's not what I'm looking for as an answer. Does the Rom actually use a gig and we get left with the other gig? I just don't get how a Rom can use that much.
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It has 1GB of usable storage. Froyo allows you to install apps on the SD card. If you can manage to fill 1GB of non-SD apps then honestly, you have to many apps. That's probably approaching the 3-digit number of apps. Don't worry about specs so much and just focus on actual performance.

I asked HTC why, on a device that's advertised with 4gb internal memory, no one sees more than a little over 1gb free. This was the official response I got from HTC regarding the issue:
Dear Greg,
I understand the importance of being able to use the fully memory capacity of your HTC Inspire 4G. The 4GB of ROM on your device is shared with the operating system and all programs that are pre-installed on the device. I do apologize for any inconvenience that you may have experienced through this.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 11USCW09ENA001776.
Sincerely,
Jeffery
HTC
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So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?

gk527 said:
So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?
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I mean I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch about it. I have plenty of room on my SD...and if it's true that this space is used to optimize the OS, then OK. It would be nice to have access to all of that storage - but it's not necessary. I wish that this would be how they advertised it though, rather than just saying 4gb internal memory

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So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?
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Doesn't bother me at all. I have over 850mb of it free.
Gotta love CM7.

So the OS is using a whopping gig of the internal storage. Ok, i already KNEW that. It still doesnt explain why this phone is using that much and my dell streak has a gig and a half available when reset to factory default and nothing installed.
With the HD2 running froyo off the sd card, and the img set to 2gb, same thing, it had alot more than a gig left. Heck, some roms for that were set with 1gb img file and froyo didnt use it all up from the geckgo.
It just doesnt make any sense to me. Im not looking for more space for apps, i have alot of space left, but when i dont, im going to be going ....... WTF
Im sure there are going to be some app monkeys running out of room and asking the same thing.

On a related note (just to clarify that I am not directly addressing the main issue at hand), I have 21 apps installed, 6 of which are games, and still have .96GB free. How many freaking apps do you guys have installed to be running out of space? At my rate, I would probably have to install over 200 apps to run out of space.

carhigh said:
Ok, since you cant read
IM NOT OUT OF SPACE !!!!!!!
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUNNING OUT OF SPACE
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Since you're not too good at this whole discussion thing, let me explain how we got here.
A) I realize that this thread is about the fact that we only see 1 of the 4GB of internal memory. I don't know exactly why that is.
B) You said in the first post "i am running very low on memory".
C) In a question relating to something you said in your original post, I asked how you could possibly be running low on memory.
D) Relax. Breath. It's going to be ok. Discussions sometimes lead to other questions on related topics. You can't let those questions weigh on you... the burden is too much for a single man to carry. You just have to answer these related questions to free yourself from the awful stress.

what about other phones with more then 4gigs like 8gigs of internal memory? do they still only have about 2gigs worth of space to play with? that's gotta be pretty bogus.

epicKA8 said:
what about other phones with more then 4gigs like 8gigs of internal memory? do they still only have about 2gigs worth of space to play with? that's gotta be pretty bogus.
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The galaxy s series has 8-16gb but about 3 is set aside for OS and apps. There's one example.
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What I meant for running low on memory is more geared at the Rom taking a whooping 1 gig and out of the 2 gigs Android will see, out of the stupid 4 installed, and that leaves me with a whooping 1 gig. Not a whole lot. As it stands, I have about 800 mg left and I wouldn't consider that running low. We should have about a gig and a half available, if not more. Roms really are only about 250mb. REALLY?????
I guess I need to be a little more clear with my wording

Why does htc's website show diffrent info about out phone?

check this out:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/sensation4g-tmobile/tech-specs/
any one know if they have the full 4 gig already on our phone but its hidden??
we already know the the sensation special edition has the same speed processor but does it already have the same memory but we just cant see it?
out of the box i had 1.04 avail internally. any one have something different?

I think sense takes 3 gigs or something like that.

I hear the operating system and other data take up space. But maybe that's not true. WHY IS MY WINDOWS INSTALLATION FOLDER 15 GB BIG? IT SHOULD TAKE NO SPACE AT ALL, RIGHT?

Yepp that's our phone we got 4GB but only 1 available for user application that's what I've read...hopefully CM7 will take care of that too
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d.brown said:
Yepp that's our phone we got 4GB but only 1 available for user application that's what I've read...hopefully CM7 will take care of that too
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mrbkkt1 said:
I think sense takes 3 gigs or something like that.
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Common sense, you have it.

Welcome to the world of misleading advertising.
Please, enjoy your stay*.
*I in no way gurantee you anyplace where you no longer have to be non-stationary for any extended period of time. Also, time based on base 10 units of time for all the time measurements. Results may very, advertisement uses paid actors.
(I wish the xda application could use php board code)
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Well thanks for the answers, i my self cant wait for cm7 to come to us. I came from the hd2, only because the digitizer stopped working as usual on android installations, and it was the same price to replace the phone under insurance as it was to upgrade this phone...

I read its eMMC protected so we won't be able to access the rest of the 3 GB. It's reserved for system files and other crap.

Internal Storage 5GB missing

I have a P9300 model with 16GB.
However when check settings and connect to PC it shows only 11GB.
I tried to install blackhawk kernel for dual boot. Then uninstalled it.
Now I have the stock rom & kernel.
How can I recover the missing portion of internal storage

Eaten by system. U can't do anything about it.

rsd3k said:
I have a P9300 model with 16GB.
However when check settings and connect to PC it shows only 11GB.
I tried to install blackhawk kernel for dual boot. Then uninstalled it.
Now I have the stock rom & kernel.
How can I recover the missing portion of internal storage
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This is normal, Android takes 4-5 gigs of a devices internal storage, its a common misconception that you'll get the amount of space advertised on the box, you DO have 16 gigs of internal space, but Android takes up a decent chunk of that storage

rsd3k said:
I have a P9300 model with 16GB.
However when check settings and connect to PC it shows only 11GB.
I tried to install blackhawk kernel for dual boot. Then uninstalled it.
Now I have the stock rom & kernel.
How can I recover the missing portion of internal storage
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I have p3310 8 gb running samsung stock 4.2.2. In settings/storage it says system needs 3.4gb to run. So it is normal

rsd3k said:
I have a P9300 model with 16GB.
However when check settings and connect to PC it shows only 11GB.
I tried to install blackhawk kernel for dual boot. Then uninstalled it.
Now I have the stock rom & kernel.
How can I recover the missing portion of internal storage
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Don't worry. My tablet was advertised as having 8GB standard storage.
I, too was outraged when I discovered I really only had 4.5. I'm surprised Android takes up so much space.

Well dont be. Windows on a computer can also use space.
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Bad Marketing, its like you won 10 Million Dollars on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, BUT getting only 8 Millions after Taxes.
Only 11 GB available!! Huh! It fills in a snap :laugh:

Years ago I had a Palm V with a whopping 2MB of internal storage. Apps were a few KB in size up to several hundred KB. I learned to manage and monitor my avaliable space. Case in point: the LG P509 has 200 MB of internal storage and I haven't filled it up yet.
Quit complaining.
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himanshux said:
Bad Marketing, its like you won 10 Million Dollars on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, BUT getting only 8 Millions after Taxes.
Only 11 GB available!! Huh! It fills in a snap :laugh:
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It's not bad marketing when the box states that the actual formatted capacity is less. That's just marketing. Just like when the cereal box you just bought is only half-full (or empty - shut up), and the box states that the contents may have settled during shipping.

Heads Up - Motoral have sold 4GB models of their Peregrine???

I bought my peregrine the other day from Tesco Direct. When I plugged it into my computer it showed that the internal memory of the phone was 5GB and that 4GB was available. I immediately checked on my phone under 'settings' 'storage' and similarly it read 5.52GB total and 4.09GB free.
I called up Tesco Direct and got passed around the departments for about 20 minutes. When I was put through to their mobile tech support they told me I was the second person today to call about the exact same issue and that it's a problem on Motorola's part.
I haven't seen anything about this elsewhere on the internet so thought I'd give you potential buyers a heads up.

Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.

djpailo said:
Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.
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You are about right. When I purchased the 8GB version of the Moto G x1032, it also had around 4GB free from the 8GB of storage. Now, I don't really need that much storage, but 4GB wasn't enough of me, so I traded it for the 16GB version of the Moto G x1032. That 16GB version had a little under 13GB (More like 12.9GB) storage space left. The only weird thing is that system images of stock firmware are around 700MB. So I don't really know what all those GB's are used for exactly…

Sard Shift said:
The only weird thing is that system images of stock firmware are around 700MB. So I don't really know what all those GB's are used for exactly…
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700mb with compression. When you flash the system.img - files are uncompressed.

djpailo said:
Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.
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Actually more like 7.1GB is left and it's due to formatting and the file system overheads.
Then you've got to wonder which definition of gigabyte their using.
Windows uses gigabyte = 1024 MB what android uses I don't know.
But disk manufactures use gigabyte = 1000MB
Which is correct I might add.

lost101 said:
700mb with compression. When you flash the system.img - files are uncompressed.
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That makes perfect sense and I feel kinda stupid now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.

liveroy said:
Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.
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Yeah it's a 1024 if you count binary.
gibibyte = 1024 MiB
gigabyte = 1000MB
Windows isn't supposed to report as GB it's GiB in binary.
Mac osx counts in decimal so can the Linux kernel there's only windows who's never changed it.

liveroy said:
Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.
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Thanks.
Am I right in thinking that 4GB models of the 3G peregrine actually have no free space then???
Just so you guys know, I have the 4G/LTE model. Could anyone with the same model please confirm that their internal memory is the same as mine?

StenchBag said:
Thanks.
Am I right in thinking that 4GB models of the 3G peregrine actually have no free space then???
Just so you guys know, I have the 4G/LTE model. Could anyone with the same model please confirm that their internal memory is the same as mine?
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There is no 4GB model. This thread has explained that you have an 8GB model and why you have as much space as you do. My 8GB Moto G (non-LTE) also says 5.52GB 'Total space.' The phone allocates 5.52GB for you to use, the rest is kept separate for Android. If you wiped all partitions on the phone, you would then have close to 8GB.
You always have the option of rooting and deleting some system apps to free up more space.

lost101 said:
There is no 4GB model. This thread has explained that you have an 8GB model and why you have as much space as you do. My 8GB Moto G (non-LTE) also says 5.52GB 'Total space.' The phone allocates 5.52GB for you to use, the rest is kept separate for Android. If you wiped all partitions on the phone, you would then have close to 8GB.
You always have the option of rooting and deleting some system apps to free up more space.
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Oh right lol. Yes I'm planning on unlocking the bootloader and rooting eventually.
I was already aware of the reasons for memory usage but just not this much. That's why I've asked for someone with the exact same model to confirm that my case is normal.
Also, could anyone point me in the right direction for why the 4.4.4 update isn't available for me? I'm in the UK.
EDIT: I've just seen that you've edited your last post. Thanks

Phone memory saying full when it shouldn't be

I have a cheap android phone Landvo V11 which has been fine till recently. It has a 16gb internal memory and also an sd card which I use for everthing like vids and downloads. Just recently my phone has been getting so slow and the internal memory is saying its almost full bar a few mb. When I browse the phone on my linux PC all the folders in the phone memory only add up to 233mb but still when I check the properties of the whole thing its saying its full. I even had to delete some apps to update others. I'm guessing its some sort of malware but I just cant see whats taking up the space. Can anyone shed any light on this or tell me a way to see the hidden space that I'm missing. thanks

Android considers any space less than 1GB as full or nearly full storage.

andyfzr said:
I have a cheap android phone Landvo V11 which has been fine till recently. It has a 16gb internal memory and also an sd card which I use for everthing like vids and downloads. Just recently my phone has been getting so slow and the internal memory is saying its almost full bar a few mb. When I browse the phone on my linux PC all the folders in the phone memory only add up to 233mb but still when I check the properties of the whole thing its saying its full. I even had to delete some apps to update others. I'm guessing its some sort of malware but I just cant see whats taking up the space. Can anyone shed any light on this or tell me a way to see the hidden space that I'm missing. thanks
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Are you using a file manager app that has a recycle bin? If so, maybe the recycle bin is full.
Use an app that has a cleaner function to wipe unneeded data. Use an app that has a file scanner, it should list everything, where it is stored and how big the files are.
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Ive tried using standard file browser, ES file explorer and also tried connecting to my linux machine. Can you give me the names of the apps with file scanner cos I dont know what to get. Also is there maybe a decent app that I could use on my linux machine that may do the trick. There should be over 10gb of space free. Whatever is happening, its using a hell of a lot of space but hiding its self well.

1.Try installing rar app.its best file manager after that see files with (.)dot
And delete them (you can find them inside the folders too
2.try to enter in recovery mode by using key combination method and wipe cache and reboot may solve ur problem
3.if this also dsnt wrk backup ur important data in a pc and after that FACTORY RESET the phn.problem gone
And dont forget to press thanx

andyfzr said:
Ive tried using standard file browser, ES file explorer and also tried connecting to my linux machine. Can you give me the names of the apps with file scanner cos I dont know what to get. Also is there maybe a decent app that I could use on my linux machine that may do the trick. There should be over 10gb of space free. Whatever is happening, its using a hell of a lot of space but hiding its self well.
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ES File Explorer has a file scanner and cleaner.
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After looking up the device it seems some have found that it doesn't have the storage it is advertised to have. Like a knock off flash drive that fakes its storage amount.

zelendel said:
After looking up the device it seems some have found that it doesn't have the storage it is advertised to have. Like a knock off flash drive that fakes its storage amount.
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I think sir u r saying almost 99.99999 % true.as the owner accepted that he bought a cheap device with 16 gb internal.:silly:

Andro Novice said:
I think sir u r saying almost 99.99999 % true.as the owner accepted that he bought a cheap device with 16 gb internal.:silly:
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Which is already understood. Not what I was talking about at all. As his device is only showing 2gb of storage which has happened with this oem.
People really need to stop buying cheap Chinese devices and expecting them to be telling the truth about hardware.

zelendel said:
Which is already understood. Not what I was talking about at all. As his device is only showing 2gb of storage which has happened with this oem.
People really need to stop buying cheap Chinese devices and expecting them to be telling the truth about hardware.
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Yes for sure sir i hv lg l3 dual an age old 3G device but solid & reliable even near its 5th b'day:laugh::laugh:

Andro Novice said:
Yes for sure sir i hv lg l3 dual an age old 3G device but solid & reliable even near its 5th b'day:laugh::laugh:
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Which means nothing in this conversation. Its not even the same device and you have zero understanding about what product binning is. Might want to do some research and stop using BS posts to raise your post count. You do know those numbers dont mean anything right? Even the mods have something that blocks out post count as well as thanks count.

zelendel said:
Which means nothing in this conversation. Its not even the same device and you have zero understanding about what product binning is. Might want to do some research and stop using BS posts to raise your post count. You do know those numbers dont mean anything right? Even the mods have something that blocks out post count as well as thanks count.
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I hv no interest in increasing post count.plz rply to my p.m if u can sir.and i can't beat u in posting and in thanx count.never ever. u should see my name atleast once for what i am till now and maybe remain forever

Might be some hidden files taking up your phone space
Tricky but just check out your phone on pc for any hidden files that consuming your phone space.

Andro Novice said:
I think sir u r saying almost 99.99999 % true.as the owner accepted that he bought a cheap device with 16 gb internal.:silly:
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He was saying that the device doesn't actually have the amount of internal storage as the manufacturer claims it has.
In other words, the manufacturer "claims" the device has 16GB internal storage, but the device actually has considerably less than that.
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I request humbly to moderator's plz remove all my posts from this thread too only leaving the 1st.