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4gb internal storage is useless, or is it not

I know there are problems with android using or seeing over 2gb, so i wont bother with talking about that.
Instead, i wonder why i am running very low on memory when there is 2gb internal storage that android will see or use. I removed alot of the att crap using titanium backup.
Android install uses, really, that much for the rom and stuff that ONLY half (1gb) is free for us to use up?
I wonder if its possible to increase the internal memory seen?? Probably not. But i remember back using the hd2 with android we could increase the data file size to 2gb and it had alot more room to play with

carhigh said:
I know there are problems with android using or seeing over 2gb, so i wont bother with talking about that.
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What do you mean? I've got the Captivate, and it has a 2GB ROM and has 1.42GB free, and then both the internal and external SD cards are approx 16GB each and Android sees that.

gk527 said:
What do you mean? I've got the Captivate, and it has a 2GB ROM and has 1.42GB free, and then both the internal and external SD cards are approx 16GB each and Android sees that.
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This has nothing to do with sd cards. Im only talking about INTERNAL memory. The inspire has 4gb INTERNAL and android only can work with 2. So the other 2 of internal memory is useless, right now anyways. I think maybe in the future a newer version of android may be able to use it ..... but whatever
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See, thats what im wondering here. That captivate has 2gb internal and you have 1.42 free. So far it seems i can only get a hair over 1gb free. So it mkes me think the ROM is using almost an entire gig or the internal memory?????

carhigh said:
This has nothing to do with sd cards. Im only talking about INTERNAL memory. The inspire has 4gb INTERNAL and android only can work with 2. So the other 2 of internal memory is useless, right now anyways. I think maybe in the future a newer version of android may be able to use it ..... but whatever
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Ok, I'm not sure on the internal memory or not.
carhigh said:
See, thats what im wondering here. That captivate has 2gb internal and you have 1.42 free. So far it seems i can only get a hair over 1gb free. So it mkes me think the ROM is using almost an entire gig or the internal memory?????
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I've got a lot of apps installed. Including some that takes a lot of space like Need for Speed Shift.

The Inspire 4G has 4GB of internal memory, 1GB of which is usable.

synnyster said:
The Inspire 4G has 4GB of internal memory, 1GB of which is usable.
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I don't understand that... Why? Is this a flaw in the ROM? Android? What is the other 3GB used for?

gk527 said:
I don't understand that... Why? Is this a flaw in the ROM? Android? What is the other 3GB used for?
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Does anyone know?

This might help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB

I don't care about the other 2gb of memory. I want to know why the Rom uses almost a gig itself and we get left with almost nothing. I know I can move apps to storage card, but that's not what I'm looking for as an answer. Does the Rom actually use a gig and we get left with the other gig? I just don't get how a Rom can use that much.
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It has 1GB of usable storage. Froyo allows you to install apps on the SD card. If you can manage to fill 1GB of non-SD apps then honestly, you have to many apps. That's probably approaching the 3-digit number of apps. Don't worry about specs so much and just focus on actual performance.

I asked HTC why, on a device that's advertised with 4gb internal memory, no one sees more than a little over 1gb free. This was the official response I got from HTC regarding the issue:
Dear Greg,
I understand the importance of being able to use the fully memory capacity of your HTC Inspire 4G. The 4GB of ROM on your device is shared with the operating system and all programs that are pre-installed on the device. I do apologize for any inconvenience that you may have experienced through this.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 11USCW09ENA001776.
Sincerely,
Jeffery
HTC
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So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?

gk527 said:
So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?
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I mean I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch about it. I have plenty of room on my SD...and if it's true that this space is used to optimize the OS, then OK. It would be nice to have access to all of that storage - but it's not necessary. I wish that this would be how they advertised it though, rather than just saying 4gb internal memory

gk527 said:
So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?
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Doesn't bother me at all. I have over 850mb of it free.
Gotta love CM7.

So the OS is using a whopping gig of the internal storage. Ok, i already KNEW that. It still doesnt explain why this phone is using that much and my dell streak has a gig and a half available when reset to factory default and nothing installed.
With the HD2 running froyo off the sd card, and the img set to 2gb, same thing, it had alot more than a gig left. Heck, some roms for that were set with 1gb img file and froyo didnt use it all up from the geckgo.
It just doesnt make any sense to me. Im not looking for more space for apps, i have alot of space left, but when i dont, im going to be going ....... WTF
Im sure there are going to be some app monkeys running out of room and asking the same thing.

On a related note (just to clarify that I am not directly addressing the main issue at hand), I have 21 apps installed, 6 of which are games, and still have .96GB free. How many freaking apps do you guys have installed to be running out of space? At my rate, I would probably have to install over 200 apps to run out of space.

carhigh said:
Ok, since you cant read
IM NOT OUT OF SPACE !!!!!!!
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUNNING OUT OF SPACE
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Since you're not too good at this whole discussion thing, let me explain how we got here.
A) I realize that this thread is about the fact that we only see 1 of the 4GB of internal memory. I don't know exactly why that is.
B) You said in the first post "i am running very low on memory".
C) In a question relating to something you said in your original post, I asked how you could possibly be running low on memory.
D) Relax. Breath. It's going to be ok. Discussions sometimes lead to other questions on related topics. You can't let those questions weigh on you... the burden is too much for a single man to carry. You just have to answer these related questions to free yourself from the awful stress.

what about other phones with more then 4gigs like 8gigs of internal memory? do they still only have about 2gigs worth of space to play with? that's gotta be pretty bogus.

epicKA8 said:
what about other phones with more then 4gigs like 8gigs of internal memory? do they still only have about 2gigs worth of space to play with? that's gotta be pretty bogus.
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The galaxy s series has 8-16gb but about 3 is set aside for OS and apps. There's one example.
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What I meant for running low on memory is more geared at the Rom taking a whooping 1 gig and out of the 2 gigs Android will see, out of the stupid 4 installed, and that leaves me with a whooping 1 gig. Not a whole lot. As it stands, I have about 800 mg left and I wouldn't consider that running low. We should have about a gig and a half available, if not more. Roms really are only about 250mb. REALLY?????
I guess I need to be a little more clear with my wording

Nice price on 64GB micro SDXC!

I cannot post link, but search Amazon:
SanDisk 64GB Mobile Ultra MicroSDXC Class 6 Memory Card with SD Adapter - Retail Packaging
No more switching files because my 32GB card is full!

Does our phone support 64GB modules? I thought 32GB was the max.

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobil...WIA2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337960142&sr=8-1

New2my8125 said:
Does our phone support 64GB modules? I thought 32GB was the max.
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it doesn't.
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Partition it?
cricketAC said:
it doesn't.
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I wonder if you could partition it into 2 32gb partitions to make it work?

cricketAC said:
it doesn't.
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It Does. There are a handful (so far) of android phones that will - after reformatting the card. Look it up! The G2x happens to be one of them. I know this because I have been running this card for the last 2 days without a glitch.

Here are some pictures. You lose some memory in the reformatting.

Whoa! you loose about 20GB? that's not worth it eh?
what about that partition? that sounds like a good idea...but could the phone read more that 1 or 2 drives... 1 meaning Internal and 2 the SD...

Major Zero said:
Whoa! you loose about 20GB? that's not worth it eh?
what about that partition? that sounds like a good idea...but could the phone read more that 1 or 2 drives... 1 meaning Internal and 2 the SD...
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You only loose 4GB there's 59.36GB Total space. He used the other ~35 GB.

Major Zero said:
Whoa! you loose about 20GB? that's not worth it eh?
what about that partition? that sounds like a good idea...but could the phone read more that 1 or 2 drives... 1 meaning Internal and 2 the SD...
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ROFL. No it was meant to be 64 GB disk but its showing 59.xx hence 4.xx GB gone with the formatting. The available space is what left in his memory card after he filled it partially.
p.S: Still lmao.
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quita1 said:
It Does. There are a handful (so far) of android phones that will - after reformatting the card. Look it up! The G2x happens to be one of them. I know this because I have been running this card for the last 2 days without a glitch.
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I was going what gsmarena quoted.
Darn i just bought a 32GB sandisk last weekend. Oh well i think 40GB would be enough for me i guess.

Jufjufjuf said:
You only loose 4GB there's 59.36GB Total space. He used the other ~35 GB.
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You don't "lose" any space. That's how data works.
If you get a 320gb hd, you're only able to use about 95% of the total space.
Go to Google and ask why that happens, it explains it somewhere. Don't just jump to conclusions without first trying to solve/educate why some things are how they are.
Even on the back of some memory cards/hard drives it'll also tell you that you won't be able to use the entire space.

buru898 said:
You don't "lose" any space. That's how data works.
If you get a 320gb hd, you're only able to use about 95% of the total space.
Go to Google and ask why that happens, it explains it somewhere. Don't just jump to conclusions without first trying to solve/educate why some things are how they are.
Even on the back of some memory cards/hard drives it'll also tell you that you won't be able to use the entire space.
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Yeah, I second this. A 64GB USB isn't meant to have the amount of 64GB free space
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buru898 said:
You don't "lose" any space. That's how data works.
If you get a 320gb hd, you're only able to use about 95% of the total space.
Go to Google and ask why that happens, it explains it somewhere. Don't just jump to conclusions without first trying to solve/educate why some things are how they are.
Even on the back of some memory cards/hard drives it'll also tell you that you won't be able to use the entire space.
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I understand how it works, I'd appreciate if you didn't jump to conclusions either.

According to ScanDisk they are listed as a Class 10.
http://www.sandisk.com/products/mob...crosdhc-and-microsdxc-uhs-i-cards-for-android

It's because computers can't devide by 1024 or something like that. I think.
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FatalityBoyZahy said:
It's because computers can't devide by 1024 or something like that. I think.
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Computers see 1GB as 1024mb
Humans see 1GB as 1000mb
When they market their card as 64GB they do it the human version (64000mb)
When your computer sees it, it counts a GB as 1024mb, so obviously it wont end up being 64GB counting that way.
Hope that helps

You actually do get the full 64gb...if you paid attention enough. But it's a matter of the discrepancy between binary numbering and decimal numbering schemes used.
If you do a right click and hit "properties" of your hard drives (where you see the pie chart), and look under "capacity", you'll see a value that hits what you're looking for, if not close. Be it 64gb or 320gb.
My laptop drive is 120GB and shows: 119787220992 bytes (read, 119 billion, just a hair below 120), for a capacity of 111GB. You're not losing 9gb, it's just information being represented differently.

I didn't know we could use 64 GB cards... are there any drawbacks?

Karala said:
I didn't know we could use 64 GB cards... are there any drawbacks?
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I switched from a 32GB Pny class 10 to this 64GB Sandisk card. I don't see any difference in performance or speed. I use my G2x to stream audio files to my bluetooth headphones all day at work. I have watched a full length movie, taken and watched other videos with my phone during this week. I dont see any drawbacks at all. It took a long time to transfer 29GB from my old card to the new, but this is understandable and normal

I bought this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WTAJTO and my G2X refused to mount it. not even in recovery.

[Q] so weird, now my device memory shows a total of 12 Gs instead of 16!!!!

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Just an hour ago and my device memory started to show a total of 12 Gs instead of 16, am i doing something wrong..?
I know the system files occupy a reasonable space but at least the total storage size should stay 16....am i right.? And that happened only one hour ago.
Or may be i need some sleep!!? Lol

Unfortunately not all those gigabytes are free for us to use. The OS and associated preloaded apps eat up a substantial amount. I had about 12gigs to start. Sorry to have to be the messenger

jaydubbbbs said:
Unfortunately not all those gigabytes are free for us to use. The OS and associated preloaded apps eat up a substantial amount. I had about 12gigs to start. Sorry to have to be the messenger
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I know that but we started with the fresh machine ( with the preloaded system files) at 14 .something with the total memory 16
Now after only one week usage i lost one third of the device memory, what do you think could be the reason?
The only thing different i did today is that i installed my new 64 G sandisk Micro SD card
Thanks for the reply any way

I think its weird that it said 16gb... but it probably never did you just thought it did and never realized. Mine also shows 11.66
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Don't work with it and You will keep the memory at 14 GIGs
That means: no email storage, no screenshots, no apps , no picture caching, nothing, just a clean virgin tablet .
And keep it also shut off then it won't consume battery...................
Maybe use it as tray to serve cold drinks ?

drsayed_958 said:
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Just an hour ago and my device memory started to show a total of 12 Gs instead of 16, am i doing something wrong..?
I know the system files occupy a reasonable space but at least the total storage size should stay 16....am i right.? And that happened only one hour ago.
Or may be i need some sleep!!? Lol
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Everyone has 11 gigs on data partition, the other 3.2 gigs is spread across system, cache, preload and recovery partitions.
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troed said:
Don't work with it and You will keep the memory at 14 GIGs
That means: no email storage, no screenshots, no apps , no picture caching, nothing, just a clean virgin tablet .
And keep it also shut off then it won't consume battery...................
Maybe use it as tray to serve cold drinks ?
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One of the most funniest stand up comic shows !!!!!.... Get your self a mic and start to show your self to the people in the streets instead of wasting your time with the galaxy note and sone noob people like me...

Mouse was hungary so it ate the bytes

16GB TF300T only Reporting 12.59GB

I have a brand new TF300T that has not been rooted. We went to the Settings and looked at the Storage option. It says that my internal storage is 12.59GB, not the 16GB I was expecting.
Now, I understand that when a hard drive is formatted, it does not have all the the amount available. 16GB should come out to maybe 15.5GB available.
I returned it to Best Buy and exchanged it for another one. This one reports the same thing?
Ideas?
I have attached a screen shot.

justasiam said:
I have a brand new TF300T that has not been rooted. We went to the Settings and looked at the Storage option. It says that my internal storage is 12.59GB, not the 16GB I was expecting.
Now, I understand that when a hard drive is formatted, it does not have all the the amount available. 16GB should come out to maybe 15.5GB available.
I returned it to Best Buy and exchanged it for another one. This one reports the same thing?
Ideas?
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16gig=12.59gig - yours
32gig = 26.38gig - mine
looks ok to me

tobdaryl said:
16gig=12.59gig - yours
32gig = 26.38gig - mine
looks ok to me
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That looks like 3.5GB not available. Whenever I format a regular HD for my computer, it NEVER loses that much space.
Can you show me a website where you got this info?

justasiam said:
That looks like 3.5GB not available. Whenever I format a regular HD for my computer, it NEVER loses that much space.
Can you show me a website where you got this info?
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I didn't get it from a website.
The one that says yours is what you reported.
The one that says mine is form my unit settings.
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tobdaryl said:
I didn't get it from a website.
The one that says yours is what you reported.
The one that says mine is form my unit settings.
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OK? But is it normal to lose 20+% of the hard drive when it is formatted? It seems very excessive.
I would like to see a chart somewhere that tells me how much space I should have available to me on various sized hard drives. Any ideas where I might get something like that?

The OS and pre-installed apps are using part of that 16GB. It isn't reported in the storage screen because you don't have access to it.

justasiam said:
OK? But is it normal to lose 20+% of the hard drive when it is formatted? It seems very excessive.
I would like to see a chart somewhere that tells me how much space I should have available to me on various sized hard drives. Any ideas where I might get something like that?
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I'll provide one link, there are many. Take some of the info with a salt shaker full.
My understanding is one gig is 1074mb not 1024mb as memory chips and drives are sold. This is part of the loss, built in by the method used to determine reported size.
I can setup a 1074mb (not 1024mb) partition as swap and it is listed a 1gig, 1024mb is listed as 1024mb not 1gig. Swap is not formatted.
Other variables enter into the equation as well.
Maybe this will help or at least cause you to continue the search.
Good Luck!:good:
This was my search string.

justasiam said:
That looks like 3.5GB not available. Whenever I format a regular HD for my computer, it NEVER loses that much space.
dont forget about /system and /cache.
never heard of partitioning?
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These are very valid points. I had forgotten about partitioning. Thanks for your insights here guys. My brain must be clouded from this freaking flu I have.

Heads Up - Motoral have sold 4GB models of their Peregrine???

I bought my peregrine the other day from Tesco Direct. When I plugged it into my computer it showed that the internal memory of the phone was 5GB and that 4GB was available. I immediately checked on my phone under 'settings' 'storage' and similarly it read 5.52GB total and 4.09GB free.
I called up Tesco Direct and got passed around the departments for about 20 minutes. When I was put through to their mobile tech support they told me I was the second person today to call about the exact same issue and that it's a problem on Motorola's part.
I haven't seen anything about this elsewhere on the internet so thought I'd give you potential buyers a heads up.

Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.

djpailo said:
Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.
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You are about right. When I purchased the 8GB version of the Moto G x1032, it also had around 4GB free from the 8GB of storage. Now, I don't really need that much storage, but 4GB wasn't enough of me, so I traded it for the 16GB version of the Moto G x1032. That 16GB version had a little under 13GB (More like 12.9GB) storage space left. The only weird thing is that system images of stock firmware are around 700MB. So I don't really know what all those GB's are used for exactly…

Sard Shift said:
The only weird thing is that system images of stock firmware are around 700MB. So I don't really know what all those GB's are used for exactly…
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700mb with compression. When you flash the system.img - files are uncompressed.

djpailo said:
Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.
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Actually more like 7.1GB is left and it's due to formatting and the file system overheads.
Then you've got to wonder which definition of gigabyte their using.
Windows uses gigabyte = 1024 MB what android uses I don't know.
But disk manufactures use gigabyte = 1000MB
Which is correct I might add.

lost101 said:
700mb with compression. When you flash the system.img - files are uncompressed.
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That makes perfect sense and I feel kinda stupid now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.

liveroy said:
Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.
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Yeah it's a 1024 if you count binary.
gibibyte = 1024 MiB
gigabyte = 1000MB
Windows isn't supposed to report as GB it's GiB in binary.
Mac osx counts in decimal so can the Linux kernel there's only windows who's never changed it.

liveroy said:
Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.
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Thanks.
Am I right in thinking that 4GB models of the 3G peregrine actually have no free space then???
Just so you guys know, I have the 4G/LTE model. Could anyone with the same model please confirm that their internal memory is the same as mine?

StenchBag said:
Thanks.
Am I right in thinking that 4GB models of the 3G peregrine actually have no free space then???
Just so you guys know, I have the 4G/LTE model. Could anyone with the same model please confirm that their internal memory is the same as mine?
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There is no 4GB model. This thread has explained that you have an 8GB model and why you have as much space as you do. My 8GB Moto G (non-LTE) also says 5.52GB 'Total space.' The phone allocates 5.52GB for you to use, the rest is kept separate for Android. If you wiped all partitions on the phone, you would then have close to 8GB.
You always have the option of rooting and deleting some system apps to free up more space.

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There is no 4GB model. This thread has explained that you have an 8GB model and why you have as much space as you do. My 8GB Moto G (non-LTE) also says 5.52GB 'Total space.' The phone allocates 5.52GB for you to use, the rest is kept separate for Android. If you wiped all partitions on the phone, you would then have close to 8GB.
You always have the option of rooting and deleting some system apps to free up more space.
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Oh right lol. Yes I'm planning on unlocking the bootloader and rooting eventually.
I was already aware of the reasons for memory usage but just not this much. That's why I've asked for someone with the exact same model to confirm that my case is normal.
Also, could anyone point me in the right direction for why the 4.4.4 update isn't available for me? I'm in the UK.
EDIT: I've just seen that you've edited your last post. Thanks