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Permanant root without S-off

I was looking at the guide in the development forum, and I noticed step one is S-off, at the moment I only want permanent root on my sensation without S-off, is there a way to do that?

not possible

hmm that's disappointing, but at least it could be done now, thanks mate.

why do you want to avoid S-OFF? now that we have a path back to S-ON i don't see what would be holding you back.

crazy talk said:
why do you want to avoid S-OFF? now that we have a path back to S-ON i don't see what would be holding you back.
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so going back to S-on is no trouble?

reckoner_85 said:
so going back to S-on is no trouble?
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Correct lol

reckoner_85 said:
so going back to S-on is no trouble?
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Why would you want that? Either way, just flash the RUU here for whichever phone you have.

setzer715 said:
Why would you want that? Either way, just flash the RUU here for whichever phone you have.
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well, S-off voids warranty. thanks for the link.

I believe rooting also voids warranty, so you shouldn't be rooting either then.

kirdroid said:
I believe rooting also voids warranty, so you shouldn't be rooting either then.
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true but I reckoned it's sort of easier to unroot.

This is the same concern I have. From what I read, changing back to S-On isn't really that easy for noob like me. That's why all the more apprehensive.
Am thinking of sending my phone into HTC Care Centre to clean the speck of dust under my screen..

Just go to read every thing on : [Guide] to Installing S-off, ClockWork, Root, SuperCID & S-on [03/AUG/11](noobproof)
If you want to S-ON, this advice is for you :
ikhzter said:
YOU MUST Follow this correctly otherwise you could semi-brick your device. If you follow it correctly YOU WILL GET S-ON SUCCESSFULLY -confirmed by other users
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To S-OFF and to Root your phone, it is not very complicated, and after you can use really your phone.
After it is your choice, and it depends on what you want to do with it after.
In my mind, i want to be "adfree" and i want to use "setcpu", so it is enough to Root my phone, and if i have to S-OFF my phone to be "Permanently Root", i do it.

[Q] Root for apps, not new ROM

Hi folks,
I have read a number of guides and threads on the forum but I can't work out if any apply to what I want to do. I'm sure the info may be there but its not clear to me.
Basically I want root on my Desire S so that I can use aps like LUKS Manager, Orbot and so on. I don't want to install a new ROM as I'm happy with my what I have at the moment.
My hboot is 2.00.0002 and my Radio is 3822.10.08.04_M
Is what I want to do possible? If not and I have to install a new ROM is it possible to find one that matches what I have at the moment? How do I identitfy what that is?
Thanks in advance for all the help!

wageslave said:
Hi folks,
I have read a number of guides and threads on the forum but I can't work out if any apply to what I want to do. I'm sure the info may be there but its not clear to me.
Basically I want root on my Desire S so that I can use aps like LUKS Manager, Orbot and so on. I don't want to install a new ROM as I'm happy with my what I have at the moment.
My hboot is 2.00.0002 and my Radio is 3822.10.08.04_M
Is what I want to do possible? If not and I have to install a new ROM is it possible to find one that matches what I have at the moment? How do I identitfy what that is?
Thanks in advance for all the help!
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everything is possible. Just follow the guides in this forum how to root your device (I recommend not to use htcdev). You don't have to install a new ROM.
But my personal opinion is to use a custom ROM, since they often have much more possibilities for customizing and a lot modifications for speed and performance. Are you still using stock ROM with sense 3.0 ?
Sent from my Desire S using XDA App

Hi, thanks for the reply. I've only accepted the updates provded by my network so I guess thats the stock ROM?
Yep, its HTC Sense 3
I must be missing something basic because from all the guides i've read you have to install a new ROm to keep root?

wageslave said:
Hi, thanks for the reply. I've only accepted the updates provded by my network so I guess thats the stock ROM?
Yep, its HTC Sense 3
I must be missing something basic because from all the guides i've read you have to install a new ROm to keep root?
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Yes, it's stock right now.
At first you need to s-off your device (caution, you are about to void your warranty). You can do that using the revolutionary tool. Then you have to root, which can be done with superoneclick.
(edit: at this point you need to install a recovery like 4ext or cwm)
Root will not be undone when installing a
New ROM, neither do you need to install a new ROM. But I recommend to use a ROM with sense 3.5, it's much better.
You can find tutorials for everything I'm talking about right here in the forums.
Sent from my Desire S using XDA App

Ah, thats great, thanks. I didn't get that superoneclick could allow you to keep root.
Much appreciated.
I'll also look into the Sense 3.5. thanks again!

I forgot to mention: after rooting,
You need to install a custom recovery like 4ext or cwm. It's for backing up your system and flashing roms and updates and anything else you need
Sent from my Desire S using XDA App

Ok, so if I get s-off and then keep root by using superoneclick does that mean that I won't be able to receive updates through my network?

wageslave said:
Ok, so if I get s-off and then keep root by using superoneclick does that mean that I won't be able to receive updates through my network?
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If your s-off and rooted the installer will not install the update (never tried cause I dont use stock rom) - but there are alway newest rooted stock roms here on xda and you can update your system manually. Most of the time before your carrier sends you the "official" update.
But yes, you have to do it by yourself.

Steinhund said:
If your s-off and rooted the installer will not install the update (never tried cause I dont use stock rom) - but there are alway newest rooted stock roms here on xda and you can update your system manually. Most of the time before your carrier sends you the "official" update.
But yes, you have to do it by yourself.
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+1
But I think if you s-off and root and DO NOT install any other ROM you might still be able to download official updates for your stock ROM over the air
Sent from my Desire S using XDA App

Yes, you can use OTA (Over The Air update) ... but I think after that, you will loose your root
look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1186401 FAQ's No. 5

ok, went to have a go at this but it looks like getting S-Off is quite complicated as well. I'm on HBOOT 2.00.0002.
Is there a shorter route to achieving root than:
downgrade
s-off
superoneclick (for root)
install custom recovery
If there isn't now is it likely to become available in the future or is the Desire S just difficult to do this with?

If You don't want to change rom, then stay s-on, unlock bootloader with htcdev and use superoneclick.

wageslave said:
Is there a shorter route to achieving root than:
downgrade
s-off
superoneclick (for root)
install custom recovery
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use the htcdev, but as mentioned its not recommended
its not that hard to do the stuff...

bronx said:
If You don't want to change rom, then stay s-on, unlock bootloader with htcdev and use superoneclick.
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+1
this will give you exaclty what you require
AND if you have S-OFF and apply an OTA you will stuck in a bootloop (white HTC splash screen)

bronx said:
If You don't want to change rom, then stay s-on, unlock bootloader with htcdev and use superoneclick.
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That's great, and exactly what i was looking for, thanks!
eyahl said:
use the htcdev, but as mentioned its not recommended
its not that hard to do the stuff...
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I get that the steps might be easy enough, but there are quite a lot of them and instructions can contain loops when put together (I.e. downgrading to get root may require root in some instructionals). I do appreciate your help and advice though. I may well switch ROMs, especially in the future (I can't see myself affording a new phone any time soon!)
amidabuddha said:
+1
this will give you exaclty what you require
AND if you have S-OFF and apply an OTA you will stuck in a bootloop (white HTC splash screen)
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Thanks for the tip!

ok i am late but i think i can help.
first of all stop confusing the damn guy with different kinds of stuff. even i was like him before rooting my precious desire s. he will learn the advantages and disadvantages of revolutionary s-off as time passes by.
for now follow this guide as i did this (and trust me i had the same intentions as you do)
first get your adb and fastboot setup, this is the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1272595
then go to htcdev and unlock your phone. follow the process, its easier than you think.
after your done, download superoneclick and root your phone. if you dont know much about superoneclick then search around or google it and you will find your anwsers. one more thing, htcdev will reset your phone.
sorry if i am late if you have already rooteed your phone.

@up wth are U talkin' bout dude?
Case was closed two days ago, op was informed, understood, even thanked everyone. What are You trying to show in here?

darkrider24 said:
first of all stop confusing the damn guy with different kinds of stuff. even i was like him before rooting my precious desire s. he will learn the advantages and disadvantages of revolutionary s-off as time passes by.
for now follow this guide as i did this (and trust me i had the same intentions as you do)
first get your adb and fastboot setup, this is the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1272595
then go to htcdev and unlock your phone. follow the process, its easier than you think.
after your done, download superoneclick and root your phone. if you dont know much about superoneclick then search around or google it and you will find your anwsers. one more thing, htcdev will reset your phone.
sorry if i am late if you have already rooteed your phone.
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Who do you think you are? Batman?
You've basically danced around the same bush that bronx, eyahl and amidabuddha planted already and announced salvation to the world!
Ohhh.... am I too late to save the day?...is it too late for the poor non-rooted buggers?!! What'll the world do without me? The ship you're trying to board sailed away two days ago... party's over man... but it's fascinating to see the way you look at yourself! Knight in shining armor indeed!!
This is your first post on the forum, and this is how you behave, and talk to other members...? You reap what you sow man...
P.S. : Even the OP has more posts than you!!

Lmao
I guess I'm not the only one who is killing time watching these boards 50 times a day.

bronx said:
Lmao
I guess I'm not the only one who is killing time watching these boards 50 times a day.
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Nope, you're not the only one
Enigmaamit at his best
Sent my thoughts to your head with XDA App

[Q] can someone help me?

i just bought a sensation, and now i'm a previous HD2 owner. so i'm not a noob, i hope.
so...unlocking bootloader and rooting and s-Off...which one to follow? the official on hTCDev website or the revolutionary way?! any difference between those?
please someone clarify some things, as i just became a sensation user, i have no idea about anything of these since HD2 is way different as i noticed and since there are a lot of info on the net, i don't wanna get into things i shouldn't.
i got a second hand sensation but it's still on factory default with android 2.3.4 and sense 3.0
really any help is greatly appreciated

If your HBOOT is supported by Revolutionary ALWAYS use that one...
I dont like HTCdev - It should only be used if your HBOOT is unsupported
Just have a good read through all the noob guides. Be sure of what you're doing before attempting anything...
I cant stress how important it is to follow the guides 100%

azzledazzle said:
If your HBOOT is supported by Revolutionary ALWAYS use that one...
I dont like HTCdev - It should only be used if your HBOOT is unsupported
Just have a good read through all the noob guides. Be sure of what you're doing before attempting anything...
I cant stress how important it is to follow the guides 100%
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okay great, that was so helpful! you're really a good Q&A contributor, i don't know were i would have learned that anywhere else!
i'm off to check if my Hboot is supported.
thanks button clicked, cheers!

cant help but detect some sarcasm there

azzledazzle said:
cant help but detect some sarcasm there
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eh? why would you say that?!

Maybe i misinterpreted it !
who knows ?

azzledazzle said:
cant help but detect some sarcasm there
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no really i searched like two hours and on youtube but i couldn't know what's the difference between the official tool and the one called revolutionary...why you felt sarcasm in my words is beyond me...sorry anyway...

haha maybe its just me..
Anyway, Revolutionary IS THEE best tool for S-OFF... providing your HBOOT is supported of course. Did you check to see if its supported ?

if you got hboot 1.18.0000 please use revolutionary method to unlock your boot loader. If you unlock your bootloader with htcdev method you will unlock somd parts of the hboot. not every thing. then you cant flash a custom kernel because it already locked boot.img and cant write a new file over it. thne you will get wifi,bluetooth problems. so unlock your bootloader with revolutionary.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

azzledazzle said:
haha maybe its just me..
Anyway, Revolutionary IS THEE best tool for S-OFF... providing your HBOOT is supported of course. Did you check to see if its supported ?
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yep, it's supported i will do it tonight before bed and sleep at ease having it unlocked ^.^

namila007 said:
if you got hboot 1.18.0000 please use revolutionary method to unlock your boot loader. If you unlock your bootloader with htcdev method you will unlock somd parts of the hboot. not every thing. then you cant flash a custom kernel because it already locked boot.img and cant write a new file over it. thne you will get wifi,bluetooth problems. so unlock your bootloader with revolutionary.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA
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i appreciate your concern i'll certainly use revolutionary.

arabology said:
i appreciate your concern i'll certainly use revolutionary.
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great
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

arabology said:
yep, it's supported i will do it tonight before bed and sleep at ease having it unlocked ^.^
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Happing rooting...
Just curious, how will rooting (& thereby voiding the warranty) bring you some peace... For most people, it would bring anxiety (& bad dreams)...
Wait a minute, you said unlocking, i hope you didn't mean sim-unlock instead of rooting?
Cheers, Jp

japinder said:
Happing rooting...
Just curious, how will rooting (& thereby voiding the warranty) bring you some peace... For most people, it would bring anxiety (& bad dreams)...
Wait a minute, you said unlocking, i hope you didn't mean sim-unlock instead of rooting?
Cheers, Jp
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hehe yeah. no my phone is not sim locked

it didn't work!!
i tried it and my HBOOT is 1.18.0000 revolutionary supports it! i filled up everything correctly on the site and got a beta key. on revolutionary.exe, it ditects my phone just fine, after that i copy/paste the beta key. it starts but after a minute is gives "failed to get root "
help?

Did you get S-OFF via revolutionary ??
what does your HBOOT say now ??

azzledazzle said:
Did you get S-OFF via revolutionary ??
what does your HBOOT say now ??
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thanks for your reply. nothing changed in my after i tried revolutionary. HBOOT is still 1.18.0000

and it still says S-ON ??
If so try it again Copy the beta key into notepad and enter it into revolutionary manually.
then tell me what happens, also, link me to the guide you are / was following, and what step you got to before this problem occurred

azzledazzle said:
and it still says S-ON ??
If so try it again Copy the beta key into notepad and enter it into revolutionary manually.
then tell me what happens, also, link me to the guide you are / was following, and what step you got to before this problem occurred
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yeah it still rights LOCKED up with pinkish red highlight and under it S-ON RL
i already tried like 5-6 times...nothing worked...i installed drivers, unticked fast boot on phone, and ticks usb debugging...
i followed this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300

oh i got the error on step 1 in revolutionary...

[Q] HOX is dead Please HELP!

Hi, i updated my htc one x at&t through HTC Manager with RUU Stock Rom. Everything was going fine and i don't know wth happen!!! Now my HOX wont power on after upgrade!! If i plug it to computer this one recognize the phone but htc sync manager doesn´t. PLease help me if you need more info please ask for it!! thank you very much!

Have you tried flashing stock?
Sent from that one guy with the cool phone
If I helped you hit that Thanks button!

ayo234 said:
Have you tried flashing stock?
Sent from that one guy with the cool phone
If I helped you hit that Thanks button!
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how can i do that? i can't get into bootloader or recovery to do it! thanks for your reply

Were you son or soff? Stock or rooted?
Sent from my HTC One XL using xda app-developers app

exactly same problem here... I think this is a brick.... soft or hard i cant tell. I am trying to use a home made jig still no progress, may be i connected it badly.
Still got faith b4 opening this beast/beauty... I'll post if any advance...

There's no such thing as a soft brick, it's either bricked or it's not.
Sent from my Evita

Thanx got that timmaaa....
Exad mine was at
S-ON
ROOTED
SuperCID

Qnatz said:
Thanx got that timmaaa....
Exad mine was at
S-ON
ROOTED
SuperCID
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Sorry to say this but your bricked
Running RUU while S-ON = Brick.

yap.... that's the beauty...
on a pc when flashing cmos there are
jumpers/pins if connected they wipe cmos
is this similar with the htc one x board..... maybe it would work.
has anyone done this....

Kinotsu said:
Sorry to say this but your bricked
Running RUU while S-ON = Brick.
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Hi, i'm
S-ON
Rooted (but i unroot before installing stock rom) and,
SuperCID
HBOOT 1.14
I really don't understand. Am i in the same situation? why do this happen to a phone? there must be a way to solve this kind of problems. I downloaded the stock rom (.exe file) from htc webpage at at&t htc one x update tutorial. why if htx is letting someone downloading it the phone can get bricked? thank you for your answers

germanjo said:
Hi, i'm
S-ON
Rooted (but i unroot before installing stock rom) and,
SuperCID
HBOOT 1.14
I really don't understand. Am i in the same situation? why do this happen to a phone? there must be a way to solve this kind of problems. I downloaded the stock rom (.exe file) from htc webpage at at&t htc one x update tutorial. why if htx is letting someone downloading it the phone can get bricked? thank you for your answers
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I unfortunately had the same issue, The SuperCID & S-ON come into play. You would want to do the JTAG revival, your only hope. Your SuperCID indicates the modification done, which primarily causes this.

humdingor said:
I unfortunately had the same issue, The SuperCID & S-ON come into play. You would want to do the JTAG revival, your only hope. Your SuperCID indicates the modification done, which primarily causes this.
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Would you recomend riff jtag? i know it is very expensive but i will look for some one in my city who has it. Any other idea of how to solve it? any idea if i can build jtag on my own. i'm good with electronics so i think i can do it if i get the circuit diagram. thank you

To be honest you'd be better off getting someone who knows what they're doing to do it for you. HTC have nothing to do with the RUU bricking phones, it's nit a fault with the RUU. It's because it looks for certain criteria wharf it runs and if you don't have those criteria it goes bad. It's up to the users to educate themselves about what happens when they've modified their phones.
Sent from my Evita

germanjo said:
Hi, i'm
S-ON
Rooted (but i unroot before installing stock rom) and,
SuperCID
HBOOT 1.14
I really don't understand. Am i in the same situation? why do this happen to a phone? there must be a way to solve this kind of problems. I downloaded the stock rom (.exe file) from htc webpage at at&t htc one x update tutorial. why if htx is letting someone downloading it the phone can get bricked? thank you for your answers
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The brick is due to SuperCID, which is a mod/hack that you did. HTC is not responsible for that. RUU with SuperCID typically shouldn't result in a brick. But on the other hand, you should always do thorough research before applying any stock updates (RUU or OTA) to a modded phone.
If there was a way to come back form this short of JTAG, it hasn't been found yet. And its been worked on by some knowledgeable and skilled folks here.

germanjo said:
Would you recomend riff jtag? i know it is very expensive but i will look for some one in my city who has it. Any other idea of how to solve it? any idea if i can build jtag on my own. i'm good with electronics so i think i can do it if i get the circuit diagram. thank you
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I've messed up my phone twice & was rescued through JTAG by MobileVideotech. The service is good, although the AT&T ROM that they loaded kept my phone rebooting frequently. However, I have seen that issue ever since I came on custom ROMs. You can give it a try if you wish.

[Q] Haven't touched it in a year- now what?

My wife's phone, it's currently running CleanROM JL beta 1, android 4.1. it's been running this for over a year. time to upgrade it. i haven't kept up with development on this phone and now i'm totally lost.
bootloader says:
tampered
unlocked
Evita PVT SHIP S_ON RL
hboot 1.14.0002
radio: 0. 19as. 32.09. 11_2
eMMC-boot
...etc.
recovery is TWRP v2.4.1.0
i have no idea where to go from here. can i just drop a new rom on the sd card and flash it from recovery? don't have any software, adb etc and my only computers are macs. would love some advice or at least get pointed in the right direction. tried searching, but i'm just overwhelmed.
i would love to get as close to vanilla android as possible. thanks in advance for the help!

You can't do anything without first updating your firmware. For that you're gonna need access to a PC with an adb/fastboot environment on it. You need to get s-off, then update your firmware, then flash the latest TWRP recovery, then you will be able to update the ROM.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
You can't do anything without first updating your firmware. For that you're gonna need access to a PC with an adb/fastboot environment on it. You need to get s-off, then update your firmware, then flash the latest TWRP recovery, then you will be able to update the ROM.
Sent from my Evita
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crap. ok, thanks for the rundown. now that i know the steps necessary, i'm sure i can work my way through it. i'll get working on this.

cwininger said:
crap. ok, thanks for the rundown. now that i know the steps necessary, i'm sure i can work my way through it. i'll get working on this.
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were you successful? let us know. [emoji62]
Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk

marknoll said:
were you successful? let us know. [emoji62]
Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk
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well, i appear to be stuck. i'm trying to get s-off with firewater. i've got adb running nicely on my macbook,terminal/shell works etc. but firewater fails every time. i get this message:
The first bottle is open
chugging..........
nasty, need a chaser
nasty, need a chaser
this skunk has some real funk, force (FORCE!!!!) reboot your device and try again!
tried 4 times and got the same result. any ideas? am i missing something?

Forget Firewater, try Rumrunner instead:
Rumrunner S-off
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
Forget Firewater, try Rumrunner instead:
Rumrunner S-off
Sent from my Evita
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no worky on macbook

Can't you get access to a Windows PC? Pretty much everything you need to do with Android is Windows.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
Can't you get access to a Windows PC? Pretty much everything you need to do with Android is Windows.
Sent from my Evita
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yeah i guess. pita though. not sure it's worth it for this aging device. i was hoping to get vanilla 4.4 on it and give it to my father in law, but i don't know how much more i want to jerk with it...
thanks very much for the help, though.

It's not hard do. Tim can help. Just LISTEN to him. He knows his stuff.. This device is his specialty
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cwininger said:
yeah i guess. pita though. not sure it's worth it for this aging device. i was hoping to get vanilla 4.4 on it and give it to my father in law, but i don't know how much more i want to jerk with it...
thanks very much for the help, though.
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It's pretty straight forward, just sort out drivers, get s-off, flash firmware, and you're golden.
marknoll said:
It's not hard do. Tim can help. Just LISTEN to him. He knows his stuff.. This device is his specialty
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Not for long. Looks like my emmc is starting to fail in my Evita, luckily I've just bought a OnePlus One, it's gonna take a couple of weeks to arrive though. I'll still support this device though probably.
Sent from my Evita

when you say "flash firmware" is that an ruu? it's been awhile and i'm not sure on the terminology anymore. i've flashed samsungs, htc's motorolas and nexus devices and they all have different approaches. i can't keep them straight

cwininger said:
when you say "flash firmware" is that an ruu? it's been awhile and i'm not sure on the terminology anymore. i've flashed samsungs, htc's motorolas and nexus devices and they all have different approaches. i can't keep them straight
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No, not an RUU, go to my How-To guide in my signature for details.
Sent from a crappy Samsung because my Evita died

I'll quickly explain the flashing firmware. Firmware is basically the stuff like boot loader and radio. You need the entire firmware package updated.
So to do that, we have to get your phone into that mode that's like when you're taking a RUU. It's the black screen with a green progress bar. From there, we use an unusual command to install the firmware.
Just read the "How to Update Firmware" in my Sig and apply that method to any firmware package, as long as you're s-off and supercid

pandasa123 said:
I'll quickly explain the flashing firmware. Firmware is basically the stuff like boot loader and radio. You need the entire firmware package updated.
So to do that, we have to get your phone into that mode that's like when you're taking a RUU. It's the black screen with a green progress bar. From there, we use an unusual command to install the firmware.
Just read the "How to Update Firmware" in my Sig and apply that method to any firmware package, as long as you're s-off and supercid
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timmaaa said:
No, not an RUU, go to my How-To guide in my signature for details.
Sent from a crappy Samsung because my Evita died
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beautiful. Thank you guys very much!