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(If this is the wrong place for this, Mods feel free to close, move or delete it.
It really only pertains to the Inspire 4G because I own and have modified one.)
It happened last night. My mom has decided that, finally, she wanted a smartphone. Not only a smartphone, but she had done some research and asked me what I thought about the HTC Aria and the LG Pheonix. I told her that the Aria is basically discontinued, so no need in getting that one; and the Pheonix, I didn't know enough about. She had read online that either phone was a good first-time, smartphone to have.
So we went to the AT&T store and looked around, found a Pheonix, messed around with it and I decided sure...it would be a great phone for my mom. For her needs it would do perfectly and well hell, it was running 2.2.1. (of course, I was already running through my mind how to root it and get into it.. )
The amusing part of the whole thing was that the saleslady came over and began to tell us the most off the wall stuff about Android. Of course, I had just got off work and didn't look as smart as I am, so I listened and waited patiently for her spiel...rolling my eyes at the appropriate time, sighing at the right moments and all that.
I noticed she (the saleslady) was getting irritated with me, when especially my mom would look over at me questioningly, as the saleslady would state the capabilities of the phone and I would nod yes or shake my head no.
I could tell the saleslady began to question her confidence at trying to make the sale and finally I said to her, "look we've already decided to get this phone. Its perfect for what she (my mom) needs."
So we went to the counter to finalize the deal and of course, the saleslady started in on "how you should consider getting the 2gb data plan, as with android its always on the internet checking for updates." "There's a lot of settings which are hard to turn off, so it's just easier to get the bigger plan."
I just looked at her..."I can turn them off." Stated simply...with no arrogance or sarcasm intended or noted. She looked at me and paused for a moment; then continued on like I hadn't said anything. She was trying really hard to make this sale and she kept on and on to the point I was getting irritated with her and said,
"look, by midnight tonight I can have that phone turned inside out and backwards...I know what it can do and I'm pretty sure I know its capabilities. Believe me when I say I can turn off the mobile data."
By then she was looking at me with a kinda of stunned expression, like nobody had ever challenged her. Probably didn't make it any better that there were other sales associates and customers standing around.
So she tried a different approach...by trying to sale my mom a case and car charger. I said mom, you can get one cheaper on line...to which the sales lady, in a desperate attempt, stated "you will void your warrenty using 3rd party chargers on your phone."
To which, I again, sighed and said with no malice or harm intended "no...it will void the warrenty if we fry the phone and you can prove we used a 3rd party charger."
By that time, I looked around and several of the other customers were watching our exchange, because it went back and forth for several minutes, like I was some kind of God or even a Demon. I dunno.
I could tell she was rattled and if nothing else I gave her a little learning not to assume that everybody who comes through the door is clueless. Maybe I was an ass/jerk but that really wasn't my intentions.
Your My Hero!
Haha, I hate listening to salespeople who have basically no clue what they are talking about and sometimes i throw out questions that I know for a fact that they cannot answer.
And wow, who would actually say using a third party charger will void your warranty... personally I would be embarrassed just to say that in my head.
Cool. Story. Bro.
ThEiiNoCeNT said:
Your My Hero!
Haha, I hate listening to salespeople who have basically no clue what they are talking about and sometimes i throw out questions that I know for a fact that they cannot answer.
And wow, who would actually say using a third party charger will void your warranty... personally I would be embarrassed just to say that in my head.
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I had heard that before, but I don't know how they could prove it.
Nice one. Thanks for starting my day with a smile.
I can recall when I went to look for Atrix how the salesperson was telling some other customer that Inspire was a dual core and had 1 GB RAM. I was like with a "?" on my face and told him, it didn't, and that he was confused between Atrix and Inspire specs.
i had the same type of exchange when i went in for my inspire. I think they should really inform the employees a little better, or at least a little!
Sales ppl suck. I always tell them, Nicely but firmly. "Thank you, but I will inform you when I am ready to purchase." If they continue I let them know that I have things in hand and am not requesting thier service at this time.
It usually works. Sometimes I have to tell them, Please excuse us, but I know more about electronics then you and do not apprecaite your miscomunication.
tweaked said:
Sales ppl suck. I always tell them, Nicely but firmly. "Thank you, but I will inform you when I am ready to purchase." If they continue I let them know that I have things in hand and am not requesting thier service at this time.
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Yep, that's a prime example between salespersons that work on commission, and those that do not.
Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
di11igaf said:
Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
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Funny story but remember the sales people need to make commission so they will try anything to make a sale. And they don't get the proper training as these phones are released I know because I used to be a sales rep for at&t therefore they look stupid to phone tech savvy people.
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Bootloader.... what you call my momma?
droe411 said:
Bootloader.... what you call my momma?
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!
Sent from MY LeeDroid loaded Inspire
I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
I usually say to people that you wouldn't want to run cheap wiring in your house so why would run cheap wiring from your car to your phone and risk frying both for something that is at most 20 bucks cheaper.
But that's just my 2cents.
There are differences in usb cables..... My wifes old Xperia X10 would burn up if I plugged in my Inspire's cable. Literally high temps and reboot.....
This is awesome! I feel the same exact way every time I go into that store. Last time I went in to upgrade my iPhone 3GS and I went in with it jailbroken and modded and themed to hell and the guy saw it and was like "WOAH! THATS SO COOL! WHAT IS THAT?" i told him it was an app as he proceeded to hand me the iPhone 4 lol
veritas2884 said:
I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
I usually say to people that you wouldn't want to run cheap wiring in your house so why would run cheap wiring from your car to your phone and risk frying both for something that is at most 20 bucks cheaper.
But that's just my 2cents.
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Heh...well she shouldn't have assumed; I never stated we were ordering a 3rd party charger. I could have ordered a proprietary charger online...and perhaps a better price.
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Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
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+1 i bought an inspire may 23rd and since then my aunt, uncle, other aunt, and my father have bought the same phone. I was with them each sale, what a major mindnumbing experience.. Radioshack was worse though, at best go to best buy, haven't had any problems with them and they do price match...
The reps at my store are actually pretty cool. When I went to get my inspire,the only thing he said was "if you want eye candy,sturdyness,great support and cool customization's then the inspire is for you. If you want better battery life or a future proof phone,then I'd go for the attic,but I've learned the consumer usually knows what they want if they walk in,and go straight for the high end phones" those were the exact words lol. Then i told him I would flash a ROM on the inspire to improve battery life and he was like yeah,that would work too and told me how he did the same with his captivated. The. Got his store manager to whip out his inspire,to show me the custom ROM he was running LOL. The reps here are all cool and never push for you to get something different then what you laid eyes on when you walked in the store. But its different with the Verizon store here. Every time I go in to pay my laptop bill they always trying to get me to add a line,and then i tell them how I would only consider there incredible 2,but wouldn't get it due to boot loaders being locked,and they would be like huh? So I'd be like,uhh I wouldn't be able to hack it. And they a rep said "well ya know,Verizon phones usually come with the best software period and no hack/mod will make it any better" I looked around like,umm you do know verizon owns the worst phone ever....the Droid x,rite? They just laughed and I left. But anyways,at&t here is awsome
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veritas2884 said:
I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
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If the charger doesn't have HTC written all over it, it's a 3rd party charger. The one I bought from AT&T has a USB port on it and the AT&T deathstar glows when plugged in. I do believe that's a "3rd party" charger.
There may be quality differences in construction of chargers but they're not that complicated since the phone is actually doing all the charging and battery monitoring.
Congratulations if you're one of the selected who got a free test unit from Zero Lemon! This is a placeholder for those who are getting the battery case from zero lemon and need to write a review. No sense having a billion threads when it's easier to consolidate. I will also link the review to other sites like amazon just to help spread the word. Please post your reviews here! I will update this post once I have mine for a week and again in a month.
Title: Zero-Lemon Battery Case for the S6
This is my first time with a battery case for a phone. I've only seen a few for the various iPhones out there and have only seen one other on a Galaxy S III that seemed to work out but it seemed pretty cool to have the ability to have the extra charge. I was able to score a free one through XDA as long as I wrote a review about it. Here's what I have on Zero Lemons latest batter case for the S6.
Packaging: The packaging on with this unit is pretty basic. Box, cords, instruction manual, plastic coverings, the case and the battery. Once you get everything out it's time to figure out what this gaudy thing is and try to put it on your phone!
Setup: At first glance there was some slight confusion as to how this is supposed to go on your phone. My first thought (and from seeing other models) that the battery would be built into the case. In this version I was surprised to see that it's really an external battery that stays connected to your phone. So you have three pieces to the case. The Case, the power adapter, and the battery itself. Once you get everything connected the battery should rest slightly under the hunch of the rear facing camera in the back. At this point you're ready to slide the actual case over the phone and the battery. Starting from the bottom up: make sure you slide the bottom of the phone and the power adapter first. I couldn't imagine doing this any other way but I'm sure it'll be pretty difficult and could potentially damage your phone. Once you get the bottom figured out slip the top over and you're set!
Now for my review:
The Good: One thing you'll read over and over when researching the Galaxy S 6 is the constant complaint of less than stellar battery life. I don't tend to have an issue with it. The quick charging seems to make up for it. That aside, It is SUPER convenient to never need to worry about your phone dieing. I had a friend get married this weekend and I wanted to snap photos and take videos of the occasion. Normally I would worry about my phone staying alive through the night but by the end of the night (2 a.m.) after a full day of using my phone heavily, I still had two bars on my case battery and 90% on my phone. I would say thing really allows you to use your phone the way you want and not worry about anything. Unintended bonus: Because the battery is separate from the case, this can be used as an external battery for anything. All you need is a cable and you're good to go.
The bad: This thing is bulky. You could say "well what did you expect?" but still. This thing adds a lot of weight and bulk to a device that is just so pretty to look at. Since the case and the battery are separate- they're connected by a power adapter. I mentioned it before but it worries me that if I drop it, how much damage will it cause to my phone. It's hard to say but it's enough to not have this as my daily driver. Because there is a battery in the way of the back and the power port is taken over, NFC and QuickCharging are gone. When purchasing the phone that was one of the selling points and it's a bummer to have to give those up. I use NFC all the time for profiles (between home and work). I'm also a bit bummed that there wasn't an SD Card slot available in this. I think if they did that this could have been easily a daily driver for me. The extra space would totally trump the lack of NFC and Quick Charging.
TL;DR: Will I use this as my daily driver? No, unfortunately not. Will I use it when I go on vacation this summer? You bet. It's a really great way to make sure you're covered throughout the day to have fun and not stress over your battery being at 20% at noon.
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This is a placeholder for those who are getting the battery case from zero lemon and need to write a review. No sense having a billion threads when it's easier to consolidate. I will also link the review to other sites like amazon just to help spread the word. Please post your reviews here! I will update this post once I have mine for a week and again in a month.
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But you're an HTC fanboy. It says so in your signature...
ethan.r.besbris said:
But you're an HTC fanboy. It says so in your signature...
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Lol thanks for letting me know. I just haven't updated my sig. I was until the s6.
nolimit78 said:
Lol thanks for letting me know. I just haven't updated my sig. I was until the s6.
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I've had a lot of devices, the M8 was one of the better ones. This is my first Samsung since the S3. Coming from the Nexus 6.
Place holder for my review when it arrives in a few weeks.
Reserved. waiting to receive mine
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Congradulations if you're one of the selected who got a free test unit from Zero Lemon! This is a placeholder for those who are getting the battery case from zero lemon and need to write a review. No sense having a billion threads when it's easier to consolidate. I will also link the review to other sites like amazon just to help spread the word. Please post your reviews here! I will update this post once I have mine for a week and again in a month.
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Or you use the original zero lemon thread. Seriously who is going to remember this thread in two to three weeks when they get shipped out?
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Or you use the original zero lemon thread. Seriously who is going to remember this thread in two to three weeks when they get shipped out?
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your thanks meter is creeping me out. let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast...
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Or you use the original zero lemon thread. Seriously who is going to remember this thread in two to three weeks when they get shipped out?
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Well, mainly because that's a beg thread. Not a review thread. Like I stated this is to keep the review threads consolidated. If you want to post a review in that thread, go for it.
Dr. Fed said:
your thanks meter is creeping me out. let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast...
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Thanks I needed a good laugh today.
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Well, mainly because that's a beg thread. Not a review thread. Like I stated this is to keep the review threads consolidated. If you want to post a review in that thread, go for it.
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You make a good point, you should have a moderator clean this thread up around the time the cases start coming in.
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Thanks I needed a good laugh today.
You make a good point, you should have a moderator clean this thread up around the time the cases start coming in.
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I totally planned on it. There's been some general style chat going on and I'll for sure have it cleaned once the reviews start rolling in. Plus side, they're going to send me a 3500mAh rather than the 2800. So that's pretty awesome.
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I totally planned on it. There's been some general style chat going on and I'll for sure have it cleaned once the reviews start rolling in. Plus side, they're going to send me a 3500mAh rather than the 2800. So that's pretty awesome.
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Yeah I think all 30 of us are getting the 3500. I'll stop clogging up this thread, thanks for making it.
i think amazon its only selling the 1st batch. the one with faulty connector. let see hows the 2nd batch. kudos for zerolemon. i never had company do this kind of marketing.
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i think amazon its only selling the 1st batch. the one with faulty connector. let see hows the 2nd batch. kudos for zerolemon. i never had company do this kind of marketing.
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It's fairly common to have testers when new products come out. This is one reason I like to have the latest and greatest phones, free accessories for just a tiny bit of work. Leave them feedback, give them my opinion and a review of the product. I've gotta have at least 30+ different accessories laying around that I've acquired by reviewing things.
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i think amazon its only selling the 1st batch. the one with faulty connector. let see hows the 2nd batch. kudos for zerolemon. i never had company do this kind of marketing.
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I got mine from Amazon for $20. It just came in yesterday. I think they delayed the shipment to put in the new U connector because mine has no issues staying on.
Unfortunately, I ran it down over the course of just a few hours yesterday! Well, I had skipped the step of charging it for 12 hours since when I plugged it in to the charger, it said it was full! So last night I charged overnight for about 12-13 hours.
We'll see how it holds up today. If you have any other questions about the case, I can try to answer them.
I'm kind of bummed out that they're abandoning the 2800mAh early adopters and skipping straight to 3500. I wonder if they'll ship the people who bought the first gen product the new revision.
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I got mine from Amazon for $20. It just came in yesterday. I think they delayed the shipment to put in the new U connector because mine has no issues staying on.
Unfortunately, I ran it down over the course of just a few hours yesterday! Well, I had skipped the step of charging it for 12 hours since when I plugged it in to the charger, it said it was full! So last night I charged overnight for about 12-13 hours.
We'll see how it holds up today. If you have any other questions about the case, I can try to answer them.
I'm kind of bummed out that they're abandoning the 2800mAh early adopters and skipping straight to 3500. I wonder if they'll ship the people who bought the first gen product the new revision.
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Don't hope for that. Shoot them an email and see if they can. I bet they do!
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Yeah I think all 30 of us are getting the 3500. I'll stop clogging up this thread, thanks for making it.
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Don't worry man. It can serve as a pre-hype thread for now! I'm going to have a mod clean it up once reviews start rolling in
Review added.
I'll go ahead and post my review as well.
I got mine on Thursday, so had all weekend to use it. It was a busy weekend and limited access to a charger, so I found the case really useful, especially on Sunday. I like having it as it really provides peace of mind for battery life. I was with a group of people on Sun, and a few of them had their battery go out by the end of the afternoon. Not me. With the Zerolemon case, I had plenty of power to spare.
The case does provide protection to the camera (the camera is recessed quite a bit), but also a small lip on the front so that the screen is protected as well.
The case is bulky, and weighs a bit, as expected, but actually wasn't too bad. I had no problems carrying the phone/case in my jeans pocket. The only other con I can think of is that you can't use wireless charging with the case. Not a huge deal, as you hardly ever need to charge with all of this extra battery power.
Having the extra battery power to me is worth it. This is a great case to have when you are on vacation or know that you will be away from a power source for a while.
So the Root thread was starting to get out of hand.
If you want to "talk shop" or "shoot teh $hit", let's do that here and keep the Root thread clean for development headway.
Got a few thoughts on the V10 myself.
1) Battery life is not the best, leaves me desiring more.
2) When wearing a case, the Volumptuous10 has a very "specific" spot it likes to be touched. (we are talking about the fingerprint reader here... get your mind outta the gutter)
3) General performance is pretty good, but graphic prowess is severely lacking. Wished LG had used something other than the 808
4) Speaker is a bit weak for my uses. I often work in loud environments where using speakerphone on calls is necessary just to hear the other party
5) I miss having dual cellular radios. Means no simultaneous data and voice calls unless using your Carriers "advanced calling" app/feature. Not an ideal solution
6) Second screen is useful, but too restricted. I hope LG opens this up more to 3rd party apps that can expand its usability 100 fold
7) Picture quality for me is softer on the V10 when compared to the G4 in side by side shots. I have tested this under many different conditions
8) WOULD CARRIERS STOP LOCKING DOWN OUR DEVICES AND LOADING THEM UP WITH CRAPWARE ALREADY ???? damn.....
9) Love the design. Looking at it reminds me of Star Wars imperial designs. I have officially named my V10 " TIE-Fighter X " . And I guess the relation to the Dark Side is fitting seeing that Verizon just had to brand the back plate.
That brings me to TAG LINES. If you have one bouncing around in that noggin of yours, let it loose here...
1st point on my list above spawned this thought.
Tag line reads: " V10 battery life got you down? Could've had a V8 "
Needs to have an image to go along with this. Someone make me one??
And my feelings about the battery life and design of this spectacular device come with a development request.
SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A STAR WARS ROM FOR THIS BEAST!!! I beg of you.
Call it something like "Star Destroyer", or "Vader's Vain". Maybe even "DeathStar". Get creative.
As you can see by the title of this thread and the content within... ANYTHING GOES.
Have at it !!!
Why in the bloody hell does the default camera app have to sharpen every image. I think LG wants to compensate on everything *wink wink*
Battery life is ... Meh... ok though.. two batteries / fast charging is a nice option...
also, and probably the bigger topic. I can talk and use data (either on the device itself or tethering via Foxfi) at the same time. I'm not doing anything special but it works for me.
Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
This is my first and probably last LGv phone.
Battery life is less than desirable but so are most Android phones.
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Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
This is my first and probably last LGv phone.
Battery life is less than desirable but so are most Android phones.
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Is your name Nancy by chance?
I like the second screen. use it to control pandora (or music app) while in another app or while screen is off, quick apps to launch (from anywhere), answer or ignore phone calls without it taking over your screen. I extended the text notification to ten seconds so if i see one come in I have time to click on it to bring it up or swipe it away. anyhow. just my opinion. Hope it grows on you and if not that you are able to trade someone for a phone you like better.
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Why in the bloody hell does the default camera app have to sharpen every image. I think LG wants to compensate on everything *wink wink*
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I tested my V10 side by side with my mothers G4. Her G4 takes a sharper shot on almost every attempt. This is testing them literally side x side taking shots in various conditions.
So either the software on the V10 need tweaking, or I bought my Mom a killer G4. LOL Just my $.02
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I can talk and use data (either on the device itself or tethering via Foxfi) at the same time. I'm not doing anything special but it works for me.
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Log into your Verizon account online and look on the right side of the page. You should see "Plan Management" in red letters. Right under that are 2 red buttons. Click on the [My Products and Apps].
On the next page under the Get Products tab, click on "Free Products". You should see HD Voice. If that is enabled already, that might be why you can do that.
Now the feature that originally allowed you to use data and voice simultaneously used to be listed here under the name Advanced Calling 1.0. It does not appear there any more, but it was there just a month ago. I am not sure if it has been rolled up into the HD Voice or not, but it's probably baked into all current Verizon phone Roms (official). And probably enabled by default.
What it does is call over your data connection (basically like VOIP) thus you are not really using voice and data simultaneously. You are making calls over LTE while still using LTE.
Try going out to an area where there is no LTE and you will find that you cannot use the Advanced Calling while on 3G. AC can also drop calls if you are in an area where LTE signal is weak, or you are moving around a large distance at a time (driving, etc.)
Its a compromise, but it certainly does not make up for the true capabilities of separate radios.
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Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
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Gimmick.... eh, maybe somewhat. "Eye of the beholder" I suppose. I think it would have made more sense on the bottom, but then it just would have been a longer screen.
The way I see it being useful is having it on the bottom where your nav bar would be, and allowing it to swipe and change to something else beside the nav buttons. And this would give you back the screen space that you are loosing to the nav bar. But like I said, then you just have a longer screen overall.
Custom Roms already have features like this, so it wont be anything revolutionary except to those that didn't know such a thing existed.
I think it will gain more traction when LG decides to let devs expand on the 2nd screens functions and 3rd party support.
But the phone is beautiful right? The Note used to be my favorite phone line, but now it is in the dumpster along with the whole Galaxy line-up. It lays right there next to the iFone slopped in decaying banana guts, just beneath the rotting apple.
I've had Samsung phones back to the Captivate, and I REALLY like what LG has put out with the V10. For me it isnt so much a drastic change in the GUI/Software, that's all really just a change in the "theme". GUI wise, it's a bit refreshing to get away from Sammy. Hardware wise, I LOVE what LG did with this device, it's far more solid feeling than my Note III. It has a great weight. It did take a little getting use to the button placement, but after a month or 2 it's really MUCH more intuitive than the placement on the side rails. I suppose the bump to a higher rated processor would've been really nice, but for my usage I see zero lag/performance issues.
So to carry over from the Root bounty thread, and I KNOW this will cause a fury of discussions on device lock down/Root/locked bootloaders
I've mentioned this before in other areas, and unfortunately, I believe this is the way things are going to continue to move.
One of the things I think we (here at XDA) fail to realize is the full scope of a devices impact in the market versus the size and scope of XDA's "footprint". Take the S6 and S6 edge as an example. Estimated combined device sales figures are somewhere around 45 million (as of June 2015). XDA's current membership is close to 7 million in total, for ALL devices. If you (generously imo) estimate that 10% of all XDA members own a S6 or S6 edge, that would account for around 1.6% of the devices total sales.
As someone said in the other thread, that "we" should boycott the carries that are locking devices down...... under 2% of total sales(again for the S6/S6 Edge as the example)? I think they would barely even notice
It just makes really good business sense to cater sales to large scale corporations who require a secure device. Which is why I think Big Red and Big Blue are locking the devices down. This model, is really just securing all of the business that they ripped away from Blackberry.
T-Mo, seems to be moving in a different direction by catering to the "younger generation"/family's, etc. Which doesn't really "require" a locked system.
I think that we are still very lucky to have some really talented folks who are still able to dig in and get things done. Unfortunately, I fear this is going to become more and more difficult to do
This is all "what I think", not "what I know" so take it with a grain of salt
@fire3element
Log into your Verizon account online and look on the right side of the page. You should see "Plan Management" in red letters. Right under that are 2 red buttons. Click on the [My Products and Apps].
On the next page under the Get Products tab, click on "Free Products". You should see HD Voice. If that is enabled already, that might be why you can do that.
You were right... It was enabled on my line. I have been able to do this since I had my Rezound though (also on my G2). I still have an UDP and could talk while tethering or surfing... don't know why (rooted, custom ROM???) anyway. glad it is still working and I'll try it if I get into a place without 4G and report back. anyway..
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You were right... It was enabled on my line. I have been able to do this since I had my Rezound though (also on my G2.
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I am pretty sure that the Rezound had separate data and voice radios. Let me clarify that. LTE radio is separate from the 3g/1x radio. The Note 3 and I believe up to the S5 have separated raidos. Think that changed with the Note 4 and other phone that came out around that time.
Note 3 had the 801 chipset, so most phones around that time had the same radio setup.
Snapdragon and other manufactures started merging to single radio setups to conserve power. The result is hindered operation, which is trying to be solved with software. Seems ok till you don't have a strong LTE signal or no LTE at all. The call dropping is also very aggravating. Specially those that use their devices for business... _________________yeah
Hate to admit it.. But guess that was just dumb luck. I normally have week LTE @my brothers house. I'll try it out next time I'm there.
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I've mentioned this before in other areas, and unfortunately, I believe this is the way things are going to continue to move.
One of the things I think we (here at XDA) fail to realize is the full scope of a devices impact in the market versus the size and scope of XDA's "footprint".
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Yes, you are absolutely right. We are of little to no significance to the phone makers, but there IS a large market to influence with Unlockable devices. As has been proven with Nexus, One+, and Motorola sales.
On the subject of T-mobile, I think the majority of their decision to allow Unlockable devices is purely grasping at straws for more customers. That and the fact they realize the % of users that are even interested in this is just a small portion of the customer base, thus fairly irrelevant vs. being something that impacts their bottom line.
BUT WHY WON'T GOOGLE FORCE ALL MANUFACTURES TO ALLOW BOOTLOADER UNLOCKS FOR USERS THAT CHOOSE TO DO SO?? I mean it is GOOGLE's OS. They could make this mandatory.
And implement it the same way the Nexus line does. You can unlock your Bootloader, but you are forced to wipe the device in the process. Yes there could be ways around this, but so exist exploits to gain Root on devices without wiping.
I think Motorola has a good policy on this. You are allowed to officially unlock your Bootloader upon agreement that Moto is not responsible for your security thereafter, and your warranty is now VOID.
I see little risk allowing this with all devices. And this is what Android SHOULD BE.
Users need to have the choice to do with their devices what they want. I have a feeling that there is a bigger player in this that is keeping the Gubermint from forcing manufactures to abide by this like they did to Verizon with the Carrier unlocking.
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Yes, you are absolutely right. We are of little to no significance to the phone makers, but there IS a large market to influence with Unlockable devices. As has been proven with Nexus, One+, and Motorola sales.
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I think that if we look a little at the device sales for last year,
Samsung sold 392 million
Lenovo, Motorola sold 84 million
LG sold 76 million (this would include Nexus)
and so on and so on(sales numbers get smaller). I think what were looking at is complete dominance in the handset market. Even Apple only sold 191 million, not even close to Sammy!
So to me, it's a "Do what you can to stay a viable device manufacturer", and to do that you have to get as many sales as you can. Being in IT in the Healthcare industry, I know what the company I work for requires. The more secure the manufacturer can make the device, the more likely they'll be in the running to get a sale/contract
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On the subject of T-mobile, I think the majority of their decision to allow Unlockable devices is purely grasping at straws for more customers. That and the fact they realize the % of users that are even interested in this is just a small portion of the customer base, thus fairly irrelevant vs. being something that impacts their bottom line.
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I think you're spot on here! I've thought that for a while too
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BUT WHY WON'T GOOGLE FORCE ALL MANUFACTURES TO ALLOW BOOTLOADER UNLOCKS FOR USERS THAT CHOOSE TO DO SO?? I mean it is GOOGLE's OS. They could make this mandatory.
And implement it the same way the Nexus line does.
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I think that it's because Google is in the market to sell it's OS, and if they can provide a product that will sell and ship on well over 500 million devices in 2014. That's what I call makin' money!
To be honest, I've always thought that the reason Google came out with the Nexus line was to maintain a platform that was "Pure Google" knowing full well that the rest of the industry was going to be changed. And keep it the way the first rolled out and hoped it would be. I think that's really cool
I enjoyed the dialog you two posted and agree with it all and the parts in the middle.
Thanks Kangi26 and Fire3Element, good stuff.
This is my first LG device and in happy that I purchased it. I've read all through the forum people are complaining about things that could've been avoided before you left the carrier store or where ever the device was purchased. When I went in I had three devices in mind, this device the note 5 and Samsung Galaxy S6. I tested all three over an hour and half time frame and ended up choosing the LG V10. I've even dropped it or its been knocked off my counter to tile flooring about 4 or 5 times with no issues. The only thing that I've found that I don't like is the LG keyboard so I switched to the Google keyboard... Problem solved. I have good battery life, so I'm happy
Overall, I am happy with this phone. Yes there are some nitpicks, but ALL devices have them.
The fact that I still get a removable battery and microSD card slot more than make up for the rest of the V10's issues.
But I will say I am still a Note fan. If the Note 5 had kept the removable battery and SD card, I'd most likely have bought the Note 5. My Note 3 has been an absolute beast, and still is to this day.
Unfortunately, the LTE reception issues have been getting so bad that I was forced to upgrade to a new phone. Otherwise, I would still be using my Note 3 until SamSmug got their $tuff together. If the V10 gets Root, I will be more than happy. Hope for a Bootloader unlock as well.
this thread is what we needed to vent and just bs. thanks bud.
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Overall, I am happy with this phone. Yes there are some nitpicks, but ALL devices have them.
The fact that I still get a removable battery and microSD card slot more than make up for the rest of the V10's issues.
But I will say I am still a Note fan. If the Note 5 had kept the removable battery and SD card, I'd most likely have bought the Note 5. My Note 3 has been an absolute beast, and still is to this day.
Unfortunately, the LTE reception issues have been getting so bad that I was forced to upgrade to a new phone. Otherwise, I would still be using my Note 3 until SamSmug got their $tuff together. If the V10 gets Root, I will be more than happy. Hope for a Bootloader unlock as well.
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I really loved my Note 3 as well, and was really on the fence with the Note 5. I loved the size and how small the screen bezels are, but there were a couple things that I really didn't like at all. The removable battery/no SD slot wasn't the straw that broke the camels back, it was oddly the glass back. I had that thing in my hand at the AT&T store, and it was WAY too slick for me
And really when I got the V10 in my hands, it just felt so much better than even my Note 3, I bought it on the spot (I had been looking at the specs for a while too)
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The removable battery/no SD slot wasn't the straw that broke the camels back, it was oddly the glass back. I had that thing in my hand at the AT&T store, and it was WAY too slick for me
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This is where we differ the most then. I absolutely have to have a case on my phones due to working conditions. After having the Zero Lemon extended battery + case on several phones, there is no way I would ever sacrifice having a removable batt on my main device again. That is unless there are no longer any phones with removable batt.
I had contemplated building a design just like what Zero Lemon sells back when I had my LG VX8700 flip phone. A triple cell battery that covered the entire length of the phone just made sense to me. I pondered on it for a while, but did not see how I could get a manufacture to build them.
Then when I got my Droid X, I bought 3 batteries and attempted to build one. It seemed to work ok, but again my working conditions are harsh. I had to stop using it in fear that I would lose/drop them while working.
Now that there is a manufacture making these tri-cell batteries, I don't think I could ever live without one. Just so close to what I had envisioned years ago so I guess it means more to me than most.
Not everyone's idea of portable I suppose. But when you can tether for 48hrs straight and never have to worry that your battery is going to go dead... now THATS POWAR!!!
Prob could jump start your car off one of these. LoL
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But when you can tether for 48hrs straight and never have to worry that your battery is going to go dead... now THATS POWAR!!!
Prob could jump start your car off one of these. LoL
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HAA!! That's a riot!!
You know, that gives me an idea! You could take a spare back for the V10, epoxy it to one of these, run a cable to the USB ports.
You could run FOREVER, and jump a car all at the same time!!
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This is where we differ the most then. I absolutely have to have a case on my phones due to working conditions. After having the Zero Lemon extended battery + case on several phones, there is no way I would ever sacrifice having a removable batt on my main device again.
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In the past few years, I've not been quite the power user I use to be, and also saw that the N5 had an option for larger memory (Not the BEST options, but I could've lived with it). And even my career changed too, so even a case isnt NEARLY as important as it use to be for me (I was in construction, so Otterbox was a MUST)
This very type of thread was created back when the device was launched here.
No need to start another.
Please carry on in the Lounge:good:
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Thank you.
Does anyone else here see a clear trend for phone manufacturers deliberately diverging from customer wants and needs when introducing new phones/features?
Here are three examples of seemingly irreversible trends that an awful lot of people DON'T WANT:
- Non-replaceable batteries - I've NEVER had a smartphone battery that lasted all day, or a smartphone battery that wasn't shot after about 18 months. Why should I need to buy a new phone every 18-24 months just to get around this, when newer phones typically offer such marginal improvements over their predecessors? I'm currently using a 2 year old LG G5 (WITH a removable battery), and I have no need of the marginal improvements offered by the G6, G7 or any of the other current handsets. I'll just replace the battery when it no longer retains enough charge for my use. I also have absolutely no need for a waterproof phone (which is one of the most common arguments made for sealing a battery into a phone).
- Glass backs - these are marketed as more attractive but basically they are guaranteed to smash within months of purchasing a phone, requiring the customer to buy another phone, which benefits nobody but the phone manufacturer
- Disappearing 3.5mm headphone sockets - even if Bluetooth "always worked", and never randomly disconnected, why would I want to rely on remembering to keep a pair of wireless headphones charged at all times? It's hard enough making sure that my phone retains enough charge (particularly as its battery will drain more quickly if it's connected to a Bluetooth headset). Why not just give us a CHOICE?
In short, phone manufacturers are cynically looking for new ways to force customers to replace their phones or invest in new hardware more frequently than they would like. While they have an obvious motivation, I was wondering how the masses could make their voices heard in a protest against the cynical product evolution cycles of the big manufacturers?
Would anyone else here like to send a loud message back to them that they are flying in the face of their customers' wishes by cynically forcing these technology or design "advances" on them?
if you get everything you want in a phone, then you'll never want to buy a new one. They make money by selling you their new product
li0nh3art3d said:
if you get everything you want in a phone, then you'll never want to buy a new one. They make money by selling you their new product
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Yes that was the "obvious motivation" that I was referring to. I was just wondering what might happen if the masses spoke back with a loud voice to say that they're not happy with it. Apart from everything else, their current policy means that an unnecessary number of discarded phones will finish up in landfill every year, when their owners would really rather have kept them.
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Yes that was the "obvious motivation" that I was referring to. I was just wondering what might happen if the masses spoke back with a loud voice to say that they're not happy with it. Apart from everything else, their current policy means that an unnecessary number of discarded phones will finish up in landfill every year, when their owners would really rather have kept them.
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Well I did hang onto my Note 4 until it wouldn't take a charge anymore. Then I replaced the charging port and it still wouldn't charge. I'm sure a lot of people are using old phones with removable batteries like the note 4 still
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if you get everything you want in a phone, then you'll never want to buy a new one. They make money by selling you their new product
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li0nh3art3d said:
Well I did hang onto my Note 4 until it wouldn't take a charge anymore. Then I replaced the charging port and it still wouldn't charge. I'm sure a lot of people are using old phones with removable batteries like the note 4 still
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Yes - I use an old G5 and my wife uses an old Note 4, and we both intend to keep replacing the batteries in them until either (a) the phone dies or (b) a new phone comes along which has a new feature that we actually want/need. The problem is that I don't see any new phones that offer anything new that I want or need - they are all a regression from my current handset because of the lack of a removable battery, glass back or lack of 3.5mm headphone socket.
Offhand I can't think of any other market where manufacturers can get away with making their products less and less appealing to customers with every new release, while effectively giving customers no choice but to purchase them (because of the short lifespan of their existing battery).
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Yes - I use an old G5 and my wife uses an old Note 4, and we both intend to keep replacing the batteries in them until either (a) the phone dies or (b) a new phone comes along which has a new feature that we actually want/need. The problem is that I don't see any new phones that offer anything new that I want or need - they are all a regression from my current handset because of the lack of a removable battery, glass back or lack of 3.5mm headphone socket.
Offhand I can't think of any other market where manufacturers can get away with making their products less and less appealing to customers with every new release, while effectively giving customers no choice but to purchase them (because of the short lifespan of their existing battery).
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not to mention IR blaster is gone from most new handsets. Such a cool feature to have.
I ended up getting a Sony Xperia XA2.. which is decent, although it does lack a few things I miss from my note 4. Mainly the camera doesn't do very well in low lighting.. I guess because it's a midrange. For gaming though, I'd say it's similar, and with a 3300 mAh battery, it does seem to be lasting decently the past 3 months or so I've had it.
I had one of those battery cases for my note 4 with like a 11800 mAh battery ?
li0nh3art3d said:
not to mention IR blaster is gone from most new handsets. Such a cool feature to have.
I ended up getting a Sony Xperia XA2.. which is decent, although it does lack a few things I miss from my note 4. Mainly the camera doesn't do very well in low lighting.. I guess because it's a midrange. For gaming though, I'd say it's similar, and with a 3300 mAh battery, it does seem to be lasting decently the past 3 months or so I've had it.
I had one of those battery cases for my note 4 with like a 11800 mAh battery
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Ah yes IR - another feature that I like and use but which is disappearing, presumably on the grounds that it's too useful for customers. Many's the time I've needed to use my phone when the TV remote in the hotel was missing or broken.
I've also had a few of those battery cases (sadly not available for my G5 though). Big clonking things but it was often preferable to a dead battery at 5pm or a dodgy cable connection to a battery pack in my pocket.
Everywhere I go I see poor suffering phone users desperate to top up their depleted batteries via whatever method they can, and the phone manufacturers simply look the other way and focus on the really important stuff like waterproofing and wireless headsets. How can we get them to get their heads out of their a*ses?
This is a very healthy discussion for me. I got answers to some questions which already in my mind. Yes, A phone doesn't have everything which anyone wants to have on it.
Hey! I recently bought a Galaxy Z Flip that was sold as open box. Considering what is on the back, this one seems to be for the Irish market (I'm from Chile, so this one was imported), and is the dual SIM model. However, upon further inspection I found a serial number printed both on the bottom of the screen and on the back of the phone (SLQ2199M). I haven't seen any other versions of the phone that come with this kind of number printed on the screen or the back, either online or in real life (I even went to a retail store to check).
To illustrate, here's pictures of the bottom of the screen and the back of the phone (sorry for the smudges).
Considering this, I thought about how I could tell if this was a prototype or dev phone. The hardware seems final, and the software it came with didn't have any differences with the normal retail one (though it was updated). My curiosity was peaked when I entered Download Mode and saw this:
It seems that the ENG Mode is set to Dev Device. So my suspicions are apparently correct.
Does anyone know more about dev phones? Is this a different phone than a normal retail version? Can it be used for something? Basically I'd just like more information, if possible!
Thanks!
They're used in a few scenarios. Mainly, I believe, for testing at Samsung and by operators. So like Vodafone would need to test the phone before it launches to be sure it doesn't screw up the network. They've also been known to be used at marketing events for demo purposes (i.e. given to those people who who need to talk up the phones).
It's probably same specs as retail, but I think the manufacturing process is different. Possibly a little more manually put together than the final thing would be.
I hope you got a good price on it. As you're at a little bit more of a risk of something going wrong than with a proper one. It'll probably be fine though, just look after it.
As for can it do anything special? I don't think so.
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They're used in a few scenarios. Mainly, I believe, for testing at Samsung and by operators. So like Vodafone would need to test the phone before it launches to be sure it doesn't screw up the network. They've also been known to be used at marketing events for demo purposes (i.e. given to those people who who need to talk up the phones).
It's probably same specs as retail, but I think the manufacturing process is different. Possibly a little more manually put together than the final thing would be.
I hope you got a good price on it. As you're at a little bit more of a risk of something going wrong than with a proper one. It'll probably be fine though, just look after it.
As for can it do anything special? I don't think so.
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Thanks for the info! That's what I thought too. I did get a cheaper price for it, though not that much lower than a retail unit. I'm not sure if I'll keep it or sell it, but it's at least a conversation piece!
It seems to be a little slower than the normal Z Flip, but not that much. I wonder if there's a risk that it gets remotely deactivated, as obviously I'm not the intended user.
Oh well, we'll see. Thanks again!
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Thanks for the info! That's what I thought too. I did get a cheaper price for it, though not that much lower than a retail unit. I'm not sure if I'll keep it or sell it, but it's at least a conversation piece!
It seems to be a little slower than the normal Z Flip, but not that much. I wonder if there's a risk that it gets remotely deactivated, as obviously I'm not the intended user.
Oh well, we'll see. Thanks again!
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It won't get deactivated, but you'd probably do well to remove the images from your original post just in case.
Definitely remove the images or even take down the post. I ended up with a dev note 20 ultra that was on its way to google and I posted on here about it. Not even 3 days later Samsung and the police were knocking on my door wanting the phone back. Be careful.