Hello all.
I own an HTC Fuze and I'm crazy about it. I'm really glad I decided to go with it over an iPhone.
I have two e-mail accounts, both of which I access via a webmail interface because I don't like having my e-mails downloaded onto a computer. I'd much rather be able to access them anywhere, and have the protected in case of a computer crash. In addition to accessing my e-mail via web interface, I also like to have my phone check for new e-mails and download them (without deleting them from the e-mail server). That way if I'm away from a computer I can have access to all my e-mails, but those same e-mails are still sitting safely on the e-mail server.
My primary e-mail is a premium membership Yahoo account. My secondary e-mail, which a very distant second in importance and frankly I could live without, is through a private web hosting company that I have a website on.
I set up my Fuze to access both of those e-mail accounts using the e-mail client that comes installed on it. Initially I set up both accounts to be checked for new e-mails every 30 minutes. The problem is, with two e-mail accounts being checked every half hour each, the drain on the device's battery life is considerable (I have the e-mail client set to download all e-mails in their entirety including attachments).
Is there a way (via a different set-up option, a 3rd-party e-mail client, or whatever) that I can have my two e-mail servers notify my phone when there is pending e-mail rather than have my phone constantly reaching out and checking for e-mail that might not even be there and draining down my battery?
On a semi-related note, the area I live in for some reason does not yet have 3G. A town about 8 miles from here has 3G, so I assume it's "coming soon." So another side effect of the way my e-mail is set up is that if someone tries to call me while my phone is checking for e-mails they get shunted right to voice mail and I miss the call.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Jamie
Jamie,
I'm pretty much in the same situation as you (2 accounts, battery drain, 3G coming soon). The only solution I found was a combination of :
1) Primary email account to be checked frequently (5 mins - 10 mins interval)
2) Secondary email account to be checked once a day (or perhaps every 4 hours)
3) Charge often (I have a USB cable connected at my office desk), ignoring effect on battery life
4) Manually turn off email checking (or reduce frequency) during the night and weekends, so as to get freedom from charging
The problem is bad, and I'm seriously considering getting a cheap blackberry to handle emails (especially primary account) and leaving my Fuze/Touch Pro to be my main phone/messaging/surfing device.
On the other issue, I don't face that problem. If a call comes in while my phone is checking email, the data connection is dropped and instead the voice call comes through. The difference though, is that I don't have any voice mail...
Hope that helps.
CUGWMUI
I have been using a program called Seven ( www.seven.com ) to take care of e-mails. It is a program that pushes your e-mails to your mobile outlook. I use it with gmail although yahoo also appears to be supported. From what I understand, maintaining a constant data connection with push is actually less battery intensive and uses less data than signing on every 15 minutes or so to do a scheduled check.
I used to use IMAP instead of POP with gmail and that took care of the problem of e-mails getting taken off the server. I believe that Seven uses IMAP as well because its function seems to be the same. Any e-mails I read on the phone are marked as read on the server and vice versa. I believe you can set it to not delete from the server if you delete an e-mail on the phone, but I honestly do not delete e-mails from my phone. On its own and also with Seven, Pocket Outlook can be set to only show e-mails from a certain number of days. I have mine set to 5 days. Any e-mails from before that simply do not show up on the phone. As a result, you never have to worry about cleaning up your inbox on the phone. At least, I don't have to, but if you have an extreme volume of e-mail, you may have to even if you only have it set to 5 days.
Also you can set Seven to stop pushing at night or on weekend days as well. My Fuze is on the charger at night but it is nice to not have to hear the e-mail ding when automated e-mails come in at 3am.
I haven't had my Fuze very long, but with my Tilt I recall one day where I didn't make a single phone call, so Seven was the only thing running all day. I still had 90% battery life left after over 12 hours of being off the charger. I haven't been able to do such a test on my Fuze over an entire day, but from what I've seen I believe it is about the same.
The thing I noticed on the Fuze which drains the battery the most is doing anything where the screen is on. Obviously powering and lighting that beautiful VGA screen has its cost. I do have a program that adjusts the backlight better than the stock WM function called G-Light, it lets you set the backlight brightness based on the reading from the light sensor. The lower the light level it detects, the lower the backlight is set to. The stock settings are pretty conservative with the brightness so I believe it will help battery life some while I am using the phone.
pennywisdom said:
I have been using a program called Seven ( www.seven.com ) to take care of e-mails. It is a program that pushes your e-mails to your mobile outlook. I use it with gmail although yahoo also appears to be supported. From what I understand, maintaining a constant data connection with push is actually less battery intensive and uses less data than signing on every 15 minutes or so to do a scheduled check.
I used to use IMAP instead of POP with gmail and that took care of the problem of e-mails getting taken off the server. I believe that Seven uses IMAP as well because its function seems to be the same. Any e-mails I read on the phone are marked as read on the server and vice versa. I believe you can set it to not delete from the server if you delete an e-mail on the phone, but I honestly do not delete e-mails from my phone. On its own and also with Seven, Pocket Outlook can be set to only show e-mails from a certain number of days. I have mine set to 5 days. Any e-mails from before that simply do not show up on the phone. As a result, you never have to worry about cleaning up your inbox on the phone. At least, I don't have to, but if you have an extreme volume of e-mail, you may have to even if you only have it set to 5 days.
Also you can set Seven to stop pushing at night or on weekend days as well. My Fuze is on the charger at night but it is nice to not have to hear the e-mail ding when automated e-mails come in at 3am.
I haven't had my Fuze very long, but with my Tilt I recall one day where I didn't make a single phone call, so Seven was the only thing running all day. I still had 90% battery life left after over 12 hours of being off the charger. I haven't been able to do such a test on my Fuze over an entire day, but from what I've seen I believe it is about the same.
The thing I noticed on the Fuze which drains the battery the most is doing anything where the screen is on. Obviously powering and lighting that beautiful VGA screen has its cost. I do have a program that adjusts the backlight better than the stock WM function called G-Light, it lets you set the backlight brightness based on the reading from the light sensor. The lower the light level it detects, the lower the backlight is set to. The stock settings are pretty conservative with the brightness so I believe it will help battery life some while I am using the phone.
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First, thank you very much for the response.
Second, I checked into www.seven.com and it seems to indicate that Seven is offered through AT&T via Xpress Mail. I downloaded Xpress Mail and set it up for my Yahoo account, but it seems to have even less customization and control than the built-in e-mail client that came with the Fuze. It won't allow me to change any options, instead referring me to "Xpress Mail Settings" to change option. The Xpress Mail settings program offers virtually no choices whatsoever. I can turn Push off or on, and that's pretty much it.
Can you offer any words of wisdom on how I can customize the functionality?
Thanks much in advance.
Jamie
jayla said:
First, thank you very much for the response.
Second, I checked into www.seven.com and it seems to indicate that Seven is offered through AT&T via Xpress Mail. I downloaded Xpress Mail and set it up for my Yahoo account, but it seems to have even less customization and control than the built-in e-mail client that came with the Fuze. It won't allow me to change any options, instead referring me to "Xpress Mail Settings" to change option. The Xpress Mail settings program offers virtually no choices whatsoever. I can turn Push off or on, and that's pretty much it.
Can you offer any words of wisdom on how I can customize the functionality?
Thanks much in advance.
Jamie
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Ooh no that's not what you want to do. Seven works just fine through Pocket Outlook, there is no need to get another program.
Simply install Seven onto the phone, then run it. It should walk you through setup and you can choose Yahoo as your e-mail provider. Since you have already set it up, I would recommend either uninstalling it or removing the current account out of Seven.
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Ooh no that's not what you want to do. Seven works just fine through Pocket Outlook, there is no need to get another program.
Simply install Seven onto the phone, then run it. It should walk you through setup and you can choose Yahoo as your e-mail provider. Since you have already set it up, I would recommend either uninstalling it or removing the current account out of Seven.
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Ah, I see where I went astray. On the Seven website there is a large menu option at the top that says "How to Get Seven". So I clicked on that and it steered me toward Xpress Mail through AT&T. So I uninstalled Xpress Mail, signed up for the Seven Beta, and downloaded and installed it.
I set it up to sync with my Yahoo account, and that seemed to go well. I like the fact that I can select quiet hours. Previously I had my phone set to give no audio alerts for e-mails because I didn't like getting woken up in the middle of the night. ;-)
I've got a couple of questions:
1. When I look at Seven's General Settings, there are three options: Phone Data, Quiet Time, and Preferences. I have no problem getting Quiet Time and Preferences to work, but when I select Phone Data it prompts me for "The phone number of the device is" and then put the cursor in an input box. However, I can't type anything into the box either with the slide-out keyboard or with the on-screen keyboard. Is "Phone Data" something I need to be concerned with?
2. How does Seven work with regards to getting messages to my phone? Is my phone constantly "logged in" to Seven (and draining battery power)? If not, how does my phone know when an e-mail has been sent to me and it's time for it to download that e-mail?
Thanks so much for all the help everyone has been giving me on this issue.
Jamie
jayla said:
1. When I look at Seven's General Settings, there are three options: Phone Data, Quiet Time, and Preferences. I have no problem getting Quiet Time and Preferences to work, but when I select Phone Data it prompts me for "The phone number of the device is" and then put the cursor in an input box. However, I can't type anything into the box either with the slide-out keyboard or with the on-screen keyboard. Is "Phone Data" something I need to be concerned with?
2. How does Seven work with regards to getting messages to my phone? Is my phone constantly "logged in" to Seven (and draining battery power)? If not, how does my phone know when an e-mail has been sent to me and it's time for it to download that e-mail?
Thanks so much for all the help everyone has been giving me on this issue.
Jamie
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1. I believe that is just for Seven's own information, the grayed out box shows my phone number on my phone. I wouldn't worry about it.
2. I'm not 100% clear on how Seven operates regarding getting the data. I believe that their own server constantly checks your e-mail account and when it gets new mail, it pushes the mail to your phone immediately. Now, your phone will maintain a constant data connection in order to do this, so it does use up more battery than if your phone was not connected to the internet. The alternative is to set a scheduled send and receive, perhaps once every 10-15 minutes. This would have your phone connect to the internet, query the server, and then download any mail and disconnect.
According to what I've read regarding push e-mail, push actually uses less data because the act of querying the server and getting a response takes more data than a push connection. A push connection is sort of like a heartbeat, it only sends tiny packets of data to maintain the connection, sending more data when an e-mail actually comes in. I'm assuming that less data = less battery used, although that could be incorrect.
You can try your own test as far as the battery life goes, but I had to wait for a slow day where nobody called me and I didn't have to call anybody and could just let my phone sit there pushing e-mail all day. You could run that test and then run a control test where you completely disabled your e-mail for a day on the phone. If you can see your phone's battery life in a percentage, you can subtract the 2 days and figure out how much data per day your e-mail push connection actually requires. I'm thinking it's not going to be that much though.
Things are looking quite good so far. I'm glad I posted here.
One thing I'm having an issue with still, however, is that when I receive e-mails my phone doesn't give me a notification. E-mail is pushed instantly to my phone, and if I turn on the screen it visually shows a waiting e-mail with the little orange number (I use the built-in TouchPro interface on my Fuze), but my phone doesn't beep or vibrate.
I went into the Sounds & Notifications settings and under Notifications and verified that the "Play sound" box is checked and that a tone is selected from the drop-down menu (I even tested it to make sure the tone plays). I have "Flash light" checked and set for no limit, and "Vibrate" checked. Yet when e-mails are pushed to my phone none of those things happen.
Any ideas?
Jamie
jayla said:
Things are looking quite good so far. I'm glad I posted here.
One thing I'm having an issue with still, however, is that when I receive e-mails my phone doesn't give me a notification. E-mail is pushed instantly to my phone, and if I turn on the screen it visually shows a waiting e-mail with the little orange number (I use the built-in TouchPro interface on my Fuze), but my phone doesn't beep or vibrate.
I went into the Sounds & Notifications settings and under Notifications and verified that the "Play sound" box is checked and that a tone is selected from the drop-down menu (I even tested it to make sure the tone plays). I have "Flash light" checked and set for no limit, and "Vibrate" checked. Yet when e-mails are pushed to my phone none of those things happen.
Any ideas?
Jamie
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Ah yes, I was aware of that problem but I forgot that the version of Seven I am using is not the *official* release version. It's more of an in-between build. The notification problem is fixed though as it was a big complaint on the previous version. Something they did between the last 2 versions broke the notifications.
Anyway here's the link to the newest build
http://community.seven.com/files/client.ppcwm6.Release-18_0-327672-def_seven-preview.cab
Interesting. I followed the link and installed the version you indicated. It said on my screen that it was uninstalling the previously existing version of Seven from my phone in favor of the new version. Everything seemed to go fine. After the install, the phone reset, and all seemed to be working fine.
But I still don't get e-mail notifications.
Oh well, it's not that huge of a deal. Thanks much for all the help you've give me.
Jamie
jayla said:
Interesting. I followed the link and installed the version you indicated. It said on my screen that it was uninstalling the previously existing version of Seven from my phone in favor of the new version. Everything seemed to go fine. After the install, the phone reset, and all seemed to be working fine.
But I still don't get e-mail notifications.
Oh well, it's not that huge of a deal. Thanks much for all the help you've give me.
Jamie
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Hmm, I know that when I upgraded to the newest version and my notifications stopped, I backed it down to the older version and that one still worked fine. Then I refrained from upgrading until I found this cab file. I may have done a full uninstall first, but I'm not sure. Try uninstalling and reinstall that cab file again. Make sure to do a soft reset in between.
I know that the fix for notifications on the broken version was to turn on the pop-up. Then it would give you the sound and pop-up preview of the message. Try enabling that as well to see if you can get the sounds working, although like me you probably don't want to have that, just the sound notification.
Sadly, that doesn't fix the problem. I can get the pop-up to display, but e-mail messages won't activate an audio notification or cause the light to flash. All my other sounds and notifications (text messages, telephone calls, etc.) have always worked, so I'm not sure what the cause of this may be.
I'm going to be swamped for the next few days. Probably sometime over the weekend I'll look more into it. But thank you very much for all the help you've given me. Even without the audio notifications, this is a far superior way of handling mobile e-mail that what I was doing before.
Jamie
if you really have a battery problem, just buy a new extended battery off of eBay or something, it's only about $20. shipped. I did that and it works fine.
also, you can change the settings so that the email doesnt download every 30 min, instead change it to an hour or 2.
also, you have one more option...you can use the Seven app. It is a very fast email client without draining your battery. Because you don't have 3G service in your town, you don't have to worry about turning off the 3G....but if you are in an area with 3G service for a while, just turn off 3G. this way you don't use as much of the battery, but you can still access the network and you won't have that much of a problem.
I just noticed a weird thing. I just checked T-mobile for data usage and found out it used data at time periods I did't even use the phone (working hours). Anyone having the same issue?
Got any apps or widgets set to auto-sync? That would be my first thought but 60mb seems like a lot for that to be the case.
I would call and ask...no way auto sync uses that much...
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I just noticed a weird thing. I just checked T-mobile for data usage and found out it used data at time periods I did't even use the phone (working hours). Anyone having the same issue?
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some app like email or facebook is syncing? If you don't want them to sync, turn off in options.
Also, did you check your wifi sleep policy? By default it is set to turn off when screen is not active. Change it to never option, to prevent cellular data usage.
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Something like SugarSync could be uploading photos. Do you have apps set to auto-update through the market?
This is the problem with the Android phones and data plans that have caps. One app can suck up memory fast. It's so lame that we have to manipulate the phone so that we dont get ripped off especially when the culprit is the same apps that come with the phone. I shut off all syncing and updating plus I run Bloat Freeze and stop un-needed apps from running since I cant uninstall them...thx T-Mobile! I called T-Mobile on that also and they have no clue, they just told me to uninstall any apps I put on my phone and see what happens. So whats the use of over 100,000 apps if we cant even run a couple with out sucking the cap dry?
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This is the problem with the Android phones and data plans that have caps. One app can suck up memory fast. It's so lame that we have to manipulate the phone so that we dont get ripped off especially when the culprit is the same apps that come with the phone. I shut off all syncing and updating plus I run Bloat Freeze and stop un-needed apps from running since I cant uninstall them...thx T-Mobile! I called T-Mobile on that also and they have no clue, they just told me to uninstall any apps I put on my phone and see what happens. So whats the use of over 100,000 apps if we cant even run a couple with out sucking the cap dry?
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I have no mystery data use on my account. I have never had any kind of usage like this in the past year. I never shut off sync or updates.I run almost 100 apps and have never had this type of issue.
Try something like OSmonitor to see what is using network services....and don't blame Android . Guns don't kill people. People kill people....blah, blah
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Thanks for bringing to my attention the concern I should have ofr viewing my data usage more closely...
I checked my data usage and something startled me that added to a issue/concern I had earlier tonight. I did a factory reset on my G2x as I intended to exchange it tomorrow and when I booted it back my market app automatically started downloading all the apps I had installed (yes, I logged into my Google account in the setup screens)... I did a little research on the matter of turning this function off but it didn't turn up much of a solution. Is this really something that can't simply be toggled off?...
I don't want another 154MB download on my data connection (without my permission plus I would've opted to use my wifi to download such a payload) Though I will admit I did all this at work earlier. I thought I could disable it by doing another factory reset and then quickly kill the sync feature via the power widget after logging into my Google Account on start up. It seemed to work for a bit but when things at work picked up again I left my phone idle in my pocket and it started downloading the apps from the market eventually anyway!
I get the lesson that I shouldn't be doing that sort of **** while at work but this really shouldn't even be an issue to begin with. Especially with a carrier that throttles your connection after certain amounts of usage...
And perhaps for some clarification on my part, can someone explain to me real quick that if my T-Mobile account has Unlimited Web, what amount of MBs do they throttle your connection at?..
It depends on how recent you might have changed your web connect plan for the phone. If you have been an on going customer then it should be 5gb, me being a new tmobile convert its only 2gb. but while having problems with my original cell plan 2 cs agents have told me that I have the 5gb plan. Made no sense but not trying to push it lol.
That extra data you see is your phone backing itself up to the Google servers. You opted for that option during the setup. So.... yea.. not the phone's fault.
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Yes. I have auto sync on all the time, but reviewing the past couple days, those two were the two that uses massive data. I'm not a massive data user, but this had me concerned. I only have Facebook, gmail, twtter, and lotus notes sync..
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Just check T-Mobile again regarding the data usage. Weird activities again. It showed I started to use the date starting at 07:56 (I was sleeping!!) and on 9:40, 12:30 and 1:22, all have the same data usage.
Yahoo mail...
If you are using yahoo mail, you will see phantom data usage.
It effects iphone, WP7, and Android. Yahoo swears that it's the "other company's fault."
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Yahoo mail...
If you are using yahoo mail, you will see phantom data usage.
It effects iphone, WP7, and Android. Yahoo swears that it's the "other company's fault."
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I don't have other email setup other than Gmail and company's Lotus Notes traveler. But I do have yahoo messenger installed....
Be aware if you use regular mail (not gmail) as it can poll automatically every few hours. If some of the emails have pics or audio file (or presentation), it can eat a good amount of data without notice. I setup all regular emails to poll manually to avoid this problem (and you have more juice for battery).
Some weather app and news widget can poll data for update too.
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Be aware if you use regular mail (not gmail) as it can poll automatically every few hours. If some of the emails have pics or audio file (or presentation), it can eat a good amount of data without notice. I setup all regular emails to poll manually to avoid this problem (and you have more juice for battery).
Some weather app and news widget can poll data for update too.
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I have my company's lotus notes limited to 2kb each email, so the chances of getting over 10mb is really small. Besides, I had the same setup since Vibrant and didn't see usage like this before.
ScooterG said:
I have no mystery data use on my account. I have never had any kind of usage like this in the past year. I never shut off sync or updates.I run almost 100 apps and have never had this type of issue.
Try something like OSmonitor to see what is using network services....and don't blame Android . Guns don't kill people. People kill people....blah, blah
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Well good for you man. You're just a smart android user aren't you? Just because you mastered the Android OS doesn't mean everyone can. Leaving everything on as you do does pull small amounts of data and this is what he is talking about. Android is still a buggy OS and problems will happen for some. I myself have seen data used during the night when I'm not even using the phone. What Android should do is ask you everytime it decides to do something that requires a significant amount of data this way we know where the data is going. There's probably an app I bet. This should be built into Android just as it is in Windows so yes Android is at fault.
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I just noticed a weird thing. I just checked T-mobile for data usage and found out it used data at time periods I did't even use the phone (working hours). Anyone having the same issue?
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I am having this exact problem! I have multiple phantom downloads of 80Mb, 145Mb etc. It's really pissing me off. I called Tmobile, but since my cell is the only number I have, I have to find a land line to call them from. They said they couldn't really help me while I was using my cellphone.
My email accounts are set to never sync. I use gmail and hotmail. I unchecked the "back up my data on google's server" when I set up my phone. I've always uncheck auto updates from the market. The only app that I have that auto syncs is tweetdeck and it's set to update every 30 minutes. On my Inc., it was set to update every 15. In 4 days, it says I've used over 1gig of data. I've never used that much in such a short time. With my Inc. I've had to try hard to go over 2gigs of data.
Anyhoo, I guess I'm off to a Tmobile store to use their phone to call back tech support.
I recently change wireless carriers here in Australia from Optus to TPG which in fact share the exact same network. Optus renting out bandwidth to TPG. A few days into changing over i noticed that i was intermittently able to message my girlfriend and only my girlfriend.
When i was unable to message i would get the upside down smile face and the try again message in the messaging hub even when she was standing right next to me with her phone. I then would test it messaging my dad on the same network and my mum on a different network and it worked perfectly both ways. I have noticed that if i get her to message me sometimes it allows me to message her again successfully.
So last night i got fed up, delete her contact from window live re added it then did a hardware restart. When the restart i could not get my Data connection to work at all and I noticed this first of when originally logging into windows live. I then notice in the Market place I was missing HTC apps, and Music, I did another hard reset and Music Shows up but when I clicked on it then I clicked the link to get unlimited music which logs into my Zune account, the music button disappeared from the market place again and still not HTC apps.
I did another hard reset and then i got only had Apps and Games option in market place, no music or HTC apps. I turned my phone on and off and then i got this. http://i43.tinypic.com/1op1l1.jpg
To get rid of it i had to pull the battery but it worked fine after, i then did a soft reset and got HTC, MUSIC back in the market place but i was unable to download the connection manger as i got an error. I wake up this morning and my data connection is working so its possible the network is down or my phone is honestly a broken. Any help would be great.
i think the sms problem is your carrier problem, and, the red-green-blue screen is the spl mode, a place where you can flash your phone (not anymore for bootloader 5.x, you need a goldcard to do that). you'd better goto htc service center to not to risk your device.
I'm in a similar situation. Using a tmous hd7 on simple mobile. When I first start my phone fresh, data doesn't work so I skip live sign-in. Then I go all the way to the main screen then connect to my WiFi network. After that sign into your live acount. Wait a minute or two for HTC apps to show in marketplace. Next download and install HTC connection setup. After install open app and at the bottom tap the "..." and tap manual select. Wait a few seconds and select your carrier from the list.
Works fine for me everytime. Sometime HTC apps don't show right up in marketplace after I sign into my live account bit it will.
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Hi, Forum,
Huawei y625 u51, android 442 here. Rooted.
My problem is with the networking user apps. All of them, besides chrome and play store, are unable to connect to the internet, having my phone connected.
So basically i have chrome connected perfectly, i read news, i read mail, whatever i want and it is all fine. Sadly, when i run skype, viber, or other user netapp, they sign me in, but do not send data and specifically give message "no connection", when there actually is one.
After i reinstall the app, it works fine. On the next day, it is all repeated - i connect and use chrome to surf, but when run skype or viber - it is to stubborn to connect i guess :d Thus i have to literally reinstall several webapps every morning after i wake up. This is a torture and irritates me heavily.
It has all begun, when i deactivated some google apps, that i dont use, in order to hide their icons from the menus. Right from the next day the above mentioned has started. I have them activated all back, but i guess the damage was already done and no solution but reinstall returns my ability to use whatsapp, viber and ect.
Any cure?
Greetings.
Ps: I have to admit, that i have pretty unfortunate experience up to now with android and i firmly believe to use it for a no further device i buy, if no major improvements are held. I feel like in a coop with it - restrictions, restrictions, restrictions.