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guys could you please update me on the subject
i need to clarify the fact that there are two versions of sensation in north america
1) 900/1700/2100 MHz (tmobile)
2) 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (att)
because that would explain the price gap between two of them (~200$) as the first one is useless in rest of the world/europe and thus lacks export demand........
as far as i know there is no sensation for at&t at the moment. Maybe your thinking of the Bell version in Canada? Also the price should be the same except maybe the t-mobile one is the price after the 2 year contract subsidy.
not sure which one is it but it is very clear on ebay that prices on second version are higher
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just need some guru to confirm the fact that there are two versions for UMTS band 4 and 5 ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
the outcome is probably lack of 3g speed data transfers in europe with us tmobile version of the phone...
Yes, the T-mobile version is umts band 4 and the Bell wireless one is umts band 5. Gut if your using it in Europe why don't you just get the Europe version of the HTC sensation?
i am just asking to make sure...
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guys could you please update me on the subject
i need to clarify the fact that there are two versions of sensation in north america
1) 900/1700/2100 MHz (tmobile)
2) 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (att)
because that would explain the price gap between two of them (~200$) as the first one is useless in rest of the world/europe and thus lacks export demand........
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I'm confused. While I was in England, I thought I used my T-Mobile Sensation for calls (although, most were through WiFi).
Since this model isn't out yet, I suppose this is not yet considered a n00b question. I am, and I'm sure many of you are also, wondering if the international One XL and the US version One X on AT&T would be able to interchange radios via RUU updates. If radios are interchangeable by themselves, is it simply a matter of S-OFF?
Why am I asking this?
I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
Safe!
senkulpa said:
Since this model isn't out yet, I suppose this is not yet considered a n00b question. I am, and I'm sure many of you are also, wondering if the international One XL and the US version One X on AT&T would be able to interchange radios via RUU updates. If radios are interchangeable by themselves, is it simply a matter of S-OFF?
Why am I asking this?
I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
Safe!
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ATT bands:
LTE CAT3 - DL 100 /UL 50
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
International bands:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900//2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
ATT lite band is 700/AWS. That will not work in England or Germany if you have stated the bands correctly. Both versions will work on 3G & 2G in either market.
Band compatibility is set in hardware, and cannot be changed by flashing a new radio, if that is what you are suggesting. So if you need a particular LTE band, the phone you buy needs to be compatible with that band when you buy it.
Thanks for quick responses, everyone.
If I buy the AT&T one but I'm on T-Mobile's (bulls*** fake 4G) HSPA+ which runs on AWS 1700/2100, I imagine that would work still? Or when it mentions 1700/2100 that is segregated for downlink and uplink? If that is so, then dammit, I will have to re-evalute my life!
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Band compatibility is set in hardware, and cannot be changed by flashing a new radio, if that is what you are suggesting. So if you need a particular LTE band, the phone you buy needs to be compatible with that band when you buy it.
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I see. I brought up the question about radios because, as you probably already know - since it was on XDA headlines and that, TMo's SGS2 and ATT's Skyrocket + Galaxy Note were able to switch radios. Specifically, the Skyrocket was able to flash SGS2 HSPA+ radio and fully utilise its speeds.
References:
SGS2 & Skyrocket: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4129&idPhone2=4303
SGS2 & GNote: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4129&idPhone2=4374
The comparison of the Intl XL and X AT&T is making me assume that HSPA+ will work on T-Mo at least, since it supports both AWS 1700 and 1200. I guess the Intl XL only supports 2100, which continues to leave me a little confused (when comparing it to Skyrocket + TMo's HSPA+).
Ref:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4614&idPhone2=4572
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You can probably flash XL and X ATT radios, but they will operate on the same bands as always.
I have a very strong feeling that the X ATT radios will be better if you are on AT&T though.
senkulpa said:
If I buy the AT&T one but I'm on T-Mobile's (bulls*** fake 4G) HSPA+ which runs on AWS 1700/2100, I imagine that would work still? Or when it mentions 1700/2100 that is segregated for downlink and uplink? If that is so, then dammit, I will have to re-evalute my life!
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Its impossible to be 100% positive on the compatibility, since the phone is not even released yet.
But yes, the band T-Mobile uses (1700/2100) one is used for upload, and the other for download, also known as Band IV.
The 2100 band normally included on AT&T phones (for 3G international use) is Band I. So the One XL will probably not work on T-Mobs 3G network.
They have no reason to include T-Mobs band on an AT&T phone. But they do have motivation for including Band I for its international traveling customers, since this band is widely used in Europe, Asia, and other places.
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Its impossible to be 100% positive on the compatibility, since the phone is not even released yet.
But yes, the band T-Mobile uses (1700/2100) one is used for upload, and the other for download, also known as Band IV.
The 2100 band normally included on AT&T phones (for 3G international use) is Band I. So the One XL will probably not work on T-Mobs 3G network.
They have no reason to include T-Mobs band on an AT&T phone. But they do have motivation for including Band I for its international traveling customers, since this band is widely used in Europe, Asia, and other places.
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Since there is no release yet, we're all speculating - which is okay.
I've been researching mobile frequencies and bands, and it seems that since there is WCDMA support listed on the specifications for frequencies: 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100, they fall into bands:
1 (2.1 @ DL 2110-2170, UL 1920-1980)
2 (PCS 1900 @ DL 1930-1990, UL 1850-1910)
4 (AWS @ DL 2110-2155, UL 1710-1755) could be band 10 (Extended AWS)
5 (850 MHz @ DL 869-894, UL 824-849)
The sole LTE band is:
17 (LTE700 @ DL 734-746, UL 704-716)
whilst 1700 and 2100 are also used for LTE.
DL = downlink range
UL = uplink range
Referenced from:
http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php
The only thing that could prevent cross-compatibility (which, as mentioned, would favour AT&T) is having the LTE chipset separate from the HSDPA chipset. Though the case may not at all be for HTC, Samsung's Skyrocket (MSM8260) and Galaxy Note (MSM8660) have a single chipset that hosts LTE and HSDPA bands - thus their radios are interchangeable.
Do any of you know the specific radio chipset that is used in the One X for AT&T?
I'm assuming it's the radio on the listed SoC Qualcomm MSM8960 - which is also on the international One XL that is specified to simply host the 1800 / 2600 bands.
Referenced from:
Wikipedia entry on the Snapdragons (take this with a grain of salt!)
Snapdragon S4 product brief
As I said, as this is all speculation, a development hack on the modem or straight compatibility, or non-compatibility, could be the case. I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed!
Thanks so far for all of your replies!
To contradict my previous post, HTC's website doesn't even list support for 1700 MHz for the AT&T version of the One XL.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
I don't think it's possible. The chipsets between the XL and X are VASTLY different Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 vs. Nvidia Tegra 3.
The Skyrocket, AT&T LTE Note and T-Mo SGSII on the other hand all use the same Snapdragon S3 Qualcomm chipset.
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I don't think it's possible. The chipsets between the XL and X are VASTLY different Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 vs. Nvidia Tegra 3.
The Skyrocket, AT&T LTE Note and T-Mo SGSII on the other hand all use the same Snapdragon S3 Qualcomm chipset.
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Simply in pertinence to my usage of "X" has always been about the AT&T derivative of the original One XL. Sorry for the wording, I'm at my uni's library - scholar mode on!
They may not be interchangeable between one x and one xl but you might be able to do that between one x and one s
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@ senkulpa
Lets hope for them to compatible. Are you contemplating switching to AT&T if they are not?
I'm stuck on contract until November with Terrible-Mobile.
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I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
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I kind of have the inverse problem to this...
I'm in the UK currently, and hoping that EE's 1800MHz LTE network is given the green light for Q3/Q4 - I want a One X, but it won't be future-proof (i.e. LTE compatible), so a One XL would be great! Also I might be in the states quite a lot over the next couple of years, so it would be nice to have an AT&T LTE-ready phone.
Considering importing the One XL and using it over here - also have the benfit of S4 vs. Tegra 3...
Cheers,
Su
Sumanji said:
I kind of have the inverse problem to this...
I'm in the UK currently, and hoping that EE's 1800MHz LTE network is given the green light for Q3/Q4 - I want a One X, but it won't be future-proof (i.e. LTE compatible), so a One XL would be great! Also I might be in the states quite a lot over the next couple of years, so it would be nice to have an AT&T LTE-ready phone.
Considering importing the One XL and using it over here - also have the benfit of S4 vs. Tegra 3...
Cheers,
Su
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Wouldn't be surprised to see a carrier out their own One XL variant.
I have a feeling that the One XL is international, but will require region/carrier specific versions based upon radio bands. While you can roam on HSPA+, you're going to probably be tied down to specific carriers/countries for LTE service.
Of course, development-wise this only matters for radio firmware and RILs, so development efforts won't be carrier-specific if we get S-OFF.
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senkulpa said:
Since this model isn't out yet, I suppose this is not yet considered a n00b question. I am, and I'm sure many of you are also, wondering if the international One XL and the US version One X on AT&T would be able to interchange radios via RUU updates. If radios are interchangeable by themselves, is it simply a matter of S-OFF?
Why am I asking this?
I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
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They're the same radio and software, but physical antennas cannot be changed. Either it has it, or it doesn't.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/04/20/rogers-htc-one-x-now-available/
I see that the offer expires April 30th. Should I take that to mean that the phone releases after that date or? ?
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is the rogers one xl the same as the att one in terms of lte frequency?
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Here's the link: http://www.rogers.com/web/content/htc-one-x-pre-order
I can't find a link to pre-order the phone for existing customers though.
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if you go to the top and just click on the htc one link it says existing customers reserve.
shinji21 said:
is the rogers one xl the same as the att one in terms of lte frequency?
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i want to know this as well. also, does anybody know if it's 16gb like the U.S. one?
shinji21 said:
is the rogers one xl the same as the att one in terms of lte frequency?
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Yup. The Rogers version and the AT&T versions are exactly the same. Except for the bloatware of course.
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Same ...
I reserved mine two days ago, and am #3 in Canada on the list. Woohoo, although, I wanted to be #1. Damn, two other people were faster than me.
Yes, I'm an existing customer ... have been for years.
Yes, the Rogers and AT&T units are effectively the same, using the same frequencies.
The Rogers/AT&T versions will have 16GB internal storage.
Peter
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I see that the offer expires April 30th. Should I take that to mean that the phone releases after that date or? ?
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The Rogers press release clearly says it will be available in April, although, it does not give a specific date.
Peter
P.S. On-The-Go-Solutions in the US NOW has stock on the International version, HTC ONE X, with 32GB storage. They began having stock yesterday, and still have stock. I spoke with them this morning. Here's the link:
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_ONE_X
the phone is set to be release april 20th, according to mobilesyrup
Is this really the HTC One XL though?
or the X?
No where on the Roger's site does it say it supports LTE, and I assume that if it had LTE it would be marketing that.
If that's the case, wouldn't it just be the HTC One X with the quad core Terga 3 instead of the new dual-core S4 Snapdragon processor?
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Okay did some more research...
Looks like Redboards mention that they're bringing in new LTE devices, and it includes the HTC One X on that list.
Since Rogers uses AWS as their LTE network, it makes sense they're bringing in the AT&T version of the HTC One X (which is essentially the International version of HTC One XL but different LTE band)...
I guess it's the Snapdragon processor then... now then it makes me wonder, what's the battery life going to be compared to the international version of the HTC One X, which I hear isn't good at all...
I know the 3G bands are the same, but my question is... Are the LTE bands compatible between Rogers and ATT?
HTC One X dummy phones are now on display in Rogers stores in Canada.
Does the XL version support cdma 2000 and gsm ?
does anyone know whether there will be physical rogers branding on the XL?
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I know the 3G bands are the same, but my question is... Are the LTE bands compatible between Rogers and ATT?
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David, whenever you hear Rogers, you hear AT&T, and vice-versa.
They use the same bands, the same brands, the same everything, except for a couple of specific exceptions.
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David, whenever you hear Rogers, you hear AT&T, and vice-versa.
They use the same bands, the same brands, the same everything, except for a couple of specific exceptions.
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This has been true with 2G and 3G, however Telus, Bell and Rogers are using their Advanced Wireless Services (AWS) spectrum for LTE but plan to move to into the 700 MHz bands once Canadian regulators begin auctioning it off next year.
So right now as it stands, AT&T is using 700MHz for LTE and Rogers is using 1700/2100/2600MHz for their LTE.
Source: http://gigaom.com/broadband/canada-gets-two-new-lte-networks-thanks-to-rogers/ , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
creiz said:
David, whenever you hear Rogers, you hear AT&T, and vice-versa.
They use the same bands, the same brands, the same everything, except for a couple of specific exceptions.
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Red5 said:
This has been true with 2G and 3G, however Telus, Bell and Rogers are using their Advanced Wireless Services (AWS) spectrum for LTE but plan to move to into the 700 MHz bands once Canadian regulators begin auctioning it off next year.
So right now as it stands, AT&T is using 700MHz for LTE and Rogers is using 1700/2100/2600MHz for their LTE.
Source: http://gigaom.com/broadband/canada-gets-two-new-lte-networks-thanks-to-rogers/ , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
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Red: But from the wikipedia page, it says ATT is Band 4 as Rogers, so I am guessing ATT is 700/1700/2100, while Rogers is 1700/2100/2600?
Which means that most probably Rogers XL will support bands 1700/2100 which will work for ATT?
Thanks a lot to both of you!
Don't know how true it is, but I read that the One X is coming to Rogers, meaning no LTE. Not the One XL which has LTE for ATT.
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Red: But from the wikipedia page, it says ATT is Band 4 as Rogers, so I am guessing ATT is 700/1700/2100, while Rogers is 1700/2100/2600?
Which means that most probably Rogers XL will support bands 1700/2100 which will work for ATT?
Thanks a lot to both of you!
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AT&T just has band 4, which is 700. They do have a few licenses in remote areas for 1700/2100. WHat it looks like to me, from the sources I posted earlier, Rogers is only using 1700/2100 and just recently 2600. They do hope to get 700 next year once it goes on sale.
I guess the 1700/2100 would be comparable between both.
Ahh, all the mistakes ...
First, the Rogers and AT&T units are effectively the same. They use the same bands, which is 700/1700/2100 for LTE. Yes, the 700 band is not yet in use in Canada, but the phone will be capable of using it. Here's a cut & paste from Rogers site:
HTC One X features a large 4.7” Super LCD display with brilliant HD 720p resolution. Now the same clarity and vivid colour you expect from an HDTV can be found on your smartphone. You’ll be glad you have this amazing clear picture as you browse the web, stream HD video, and play the latest games over Rogers blazingly fast LTE network with download speeds up to 75Mbps.
Here's another cut & paste from HTC's site in Canada referring to the Rogers unit:
LTE CAT3: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
Two, it appears that Rogers is calling it the ONE X even though it's the same as the ONE XL. I don't think Rogers wants the "L" in their advertising, EVEN THOUGH IT WILL BE FULLY CAPABLE OF LTE.
Three, the Rogers unit will be white. Whether they get the grey version remains to be seen.
Four, oh, sorry, there is no four.
Five, hmm, there isn't a five, either.
Six, okay, if you're still reading ... STOP, and move on.
Seven, Bye!
Peter
PeterHTC said:
First, the Rogers and AT&T units are effectively the same. They use the same bands, which is 700/1700/2100 for LTE. Yes, the 700 band is not yet in use in Canada, but the phone will be capable of using it. Here's a cut & paste from Rogers site:
HTC One X features a large 4.7” Super LCD display with brilliant HD 720p resolution. Now the same clarity and vivid colour you expect from an HDTV can be found on your smartphone. You’ll be glad you have this amazing clear picture as you browse the web, stream HD video, and play the latest games over Rogers blazingly fast LTE network with download speeds up to 75Mbps.
Here's another cut & paste from HTC's site in Canada referring to the Rogers unit:
LTE CAT3: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
Two, it appears that Rogers is calling it the ONE X even though it's the same as the ONE XL. I don't think Rogers wants the "L" in their advertising, EVEN THOUGH IT WILL BE FULLY CAPABLE OF LTE.
Three, the Rogers unit will be white. Whether they get the grey version remains to be seen.
Four, oh, sorry, there is no four.
Five, hmm, there isn't a five, either.
Six, okay, if you're still reading ... STOP, and move on.
Seven, Bye!
Peter
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Thanks for the clear explanation. The One X name threw me off there...
The phone can't get here soon enough!
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Don't know how true it is, but I read that the One X is coming to Rogers, meaning no LTE. Not the One XL which has LTE for ATT.
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It's the One XL, but since we're in North America, it's just branded as the One X here. Rest assured, it's definitely the dual-core Snapdragon S4 model with LTE and 16GB of RAM.
Although all this information's available on the internet, I've got a couple friends who work in the Marketing and Mobile Device Management departments at Rogers, and they've confirmed this.
I am confused as I am sure a lot of others are but the HTC One XL is not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is still called the HTC One X. As shown on GSMArena and on the HTC Site. The HTC One X with Tegra(International-non LTE), The HTC One XL SnapDragon(International-LTE) and The HTC AT&T One X.
The AT&T One X has very different LTE bands and international LTE
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_at&t-4614.php
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
The HTC One X (international) non-LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-4320.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
The HTC One XL (international) LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
LTE 1800 / 2600
Am I the only one confused??? These are from what I am reading, 3 totally types of the HTC One X, so it should be 3 different forums, right??
sans bands, the HTC One X on AT&T and the HTC One XL International are the same device. hardware, and software wise, thus, for development purposes have been lumped into the same category.
I'm not 100% how radios work though, so we may need a separate AT&T forum for AT&T development, in the case that radios are hard wired to accept only certain bands. I assume that the radios can be attenuated to receive different signal however.
Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
This will serve as the home for both the One XL (international Snapdragon S4 device) and AT&T One X. They are largely the same, although we'll need to switch out radios and such for different carriers. It should be very easy.
x3phyr said:
sans bands, the HTC One X on AT&T and the HTC One XL International are the same device. hardware, and software wise, thus, for development purposes have been lumped into the same category.
I'm not 100% how radios work though, so we may need a separate AT&T forum for AT&T development, in the case that radios are hard wired to accept only certain bands. I assume that the radios can be attenuated to receive different signal however.
Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Your post sounds as correct as what Ive been led to believe. The only difference is the radios for the different bands, which should be easy enough to swap around. All other development should be the exact same. Even though AT&T is calling their phone the One X, its essentially the One XL.
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Your post sounds as correct as what Ive been led to believe. The only difference is the radios for the different bands, which should be easy enough to swap around. All other development should be the exact same. Even though AT&T is calling their phone the One X, its essentially the One XL.
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Not only is it essentially the One XL, it is the One XL. Both have codename Evita in the bootloader.
It's like the Desire HD and Inspire 4G. You should be able to swap radios in S-OFF, but you will likely get poorer reception as AT&T will have custom tweaks on the radio files for their network, that will not be in international radio images.
Slightly confusing, it's somewhat hard to discern bands with HTC. I know i did a lot of searching to see if the HTC Raider [Rogers] had AWS so it could be used on Wind/Mobilicity. On the Box it says LTE 1700/2100 which was a toss up as to if it would also fall under AWS. After much deliberation and searching it concluded that no it did not, thus me buying the Amaze 4G, which was a sure thing.
For all these models, im going to assume Rogers is going to get the AT&T Version? Looking at the speccs am I right to assume it only has the 2100 freq and not AWS? Or am I totally off and it has full fledged AWS?.
Edit: Upon further review both bands are on there for HSDPA. Lets pray that is in the final product.
I got to play with the HTC One S prototype the other day via my stores HTC rep. It's fluid and the new camera system is just fantastic. It's ultra slim and looks great. It'd look even better in white, but all he had was a grey one.
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Slightly confusing, it's somewhat hard to discern bands with HTC. I know i did a lot of searching to see if the HTC Raider [Rogers] had AWS so it could be used on Wind/Mobilicity. On the Box it says LTE 1700/2100 which was a toss up as to if it would also fall under AWS. After much deliberation and searching it concluded that no it did not, thus me buying the Amaze 4G, which was a sure thing.
For all these models, im going to assume Rogers is going to get the AT&T Version? Looking at the speccs am I right to assume it only has the 2100 freq and not AWS? Or am I totally off and it has full fledged AWS?.
Edit: Upon further review both bands are on there for HSDPA. Lets pray that is in the final product.
I got to play with the HTC One S prototype the other day via my stores HTC rep. It's fluid and the new camera system is just fantastic. It's ultra slim and looks great. It'd look even better in white, but all he had was a grey one.
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So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
ge3kswag said:
So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
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Fantastic, lets hope the Rogers version is the same as the AT&T version, which it usually is.
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So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
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AT&T is getting the One XL. Here are the bands from the HTC Asia spec page. It won't support AWS and only supports the 700MHz spectrum via LTE.
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
http://www.htc.com/asia/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
ge3kswag said:
I am confused as I am sure a lot of others are but the HTC One XL is not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is still called the HTC One X. As shown on GSMArena and on the HTC Site. The HTC One X with Tegra(International-non LTE), The HTC One XL SnapDragon(International-LTE) and The HTC AT&T One X.
The AT&T One X has very different LTE bands and international LTE
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_at&t-4614.php
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
The HTC One X (international) non-LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-4320.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
The HTC One XL (international) LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
LTE 1800 / 2600
Am I the only one confused??? These are from what I am reading, 3 totally types of the HTC One X, so it should be 3 different forums, right??
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Same thing. The One XL and AT&T One X have different supported radio bands, but they will run the same radio firmware if S-OFF. No more, no less.
Both the One XL and the AT&T One X have codename Evita, which means HTC considers both to be identical for development, and as such we should too.
Ahh, the confusion continues, if only people would read ...
Please have a look at one of my previous posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24936626#post24936626
So, as you can see, the Rogers unit will also simply be called the ONE X, even though it's LTE, and it will operate on LTE frequencies 700/1700. Although it does not specifically state 2100 on the Rogers site, this frequency is usually used for uploading and NOT downloading. The download frequencies are often the ones that people want to see.
Peter
Addendum: I should be getting my Rogers unit (#2 on the list in Canada for their pre-orders), either tomorrow or Thursday. Rogers generally starts shipping their pre-order units 1-2 days before they officially go on sale, which appears to be this Friday, April 20.
Since they are the same hardware the modem/radio's can be swapped if we get s-off so you can effectively use the international on ATT or T-Mobile and have 32gigs vs 16 and FM tuner. The AT&T version will have support for AWS and 2100mhz. This is stated on the US HTC One X page and Gsmarena.
BarryH_GEG said:
AT&T is getting the One XL. Here are the bands from the HTC Asia spec page. It won't support AWS and only supports the 700MHz spectrum via LTE.
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
http://www.htc.com/asia/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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They are not the same as one the AT&T version is 16gigs and has no FM tuner. So, as I have stated, if it is unlocked and can get s-off we can then put the radio from the AT&T version into the unlocked international version and have 32gigs, FM Tuner and it will then work on AT&T or T-Mobile.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Same thing. The One XL and AT&T One X have different supported radio bands, but they will run the same radio firmware if S-OFF. No more, no less.
Both the One XL and the AT&T One X have codename Evita, which means HTC considers both to be identical for development, and as such we should too.
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PeterHTC said:
So, as you can see, the Rogers unit will also simply be called the ONE X, even though it's LTE, and it will operate on LTE frequencies 700/1700.
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The link I posted from HTC Asia lists the same LTE bands for AT&T's One XL (B4=1700, B17=700). AT&T's referring to it as the "One X" and dropping the "L" also. It also mentions HSPA 2100.
BarryH_GEG said:
The link I posted from HTC Asia lists the same LTE bands for AT&T's One XL (B4=1700, B17=700). AT&T's referring to it as the "One X" and dropping the "L" also. It also mentions HSPA 2100.
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The AT&T model is as follows
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
LTE - 700/AWS(1700)
WCDMA(HSPA) - 2100/1900/AWS(1700)/850
EDGE - 850/900/1800/1900
From this we can say that unlocked it will work with on T-Mobile's 4G network. This is confirmed by the bands being on the phone but default.
ge3kswag said:
They are not the same as one the AT&T version is 16gigs and has no FM tuner. So, as I have stated, if it is unlocked and can get s-off we can then put the radio from the AT&T version into the unlocked international version and have 32gigs, FM Tuner and it will then work on AT&T or T-Mobile.
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I know for sure that:
1. Putting an HTC One XL/AT&T One X radio image onto an HTC One X will brick your phone, S-OFF or not.
2. The international unlocked variant only supports running on AT&T, T-Mobile uses AWS and so as such only EDGE will work with the international variant on T-Mobile USA.
3. Software will not magically make it possible for you to gain an LTE chipset and the associated radio hardware. Read more. Radio images are mostly pointless to change in the first place and I would strongly suggest to stay with your carrier's radio images as they will have tweaked the radio firmware to best work on their network.
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From this we can say that unlocked it will work with on T-Mobile's 4G network. This is confirmed by the bands being on the phone but default.
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This conflicts with the HTC Asia site which lists the AT&T phone's WCDMA bands as 850/1900/2100 MHz. And when you think about it, why would AT&T want to deploy a device that could so easily be used on a competitor’s network? The T-Mobile G2X was documented as being quad-band and when it shipped it wasn't. Someone needs to test the AT&T One X on T-Mobile before declaring victory. Everyone thought the same thing about the G-Note and it too used a Qualcomm chip. This is what Engadget had to say.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/psa-atandts-galaxy-note-does-not-support-aws-for-hspa/
There was a hack found but the signal is weak and it drains the battery faster than stock. So it might be possible to hack the One X if it doesn't work out-of-the-box.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/14/galaxy-note-gains-tmobile-hspa-access/
1. This is untrue, the chipset is the same and only radio is different so with s-off this is possible.
2. This is obvious without the radio swap as i have already stated.
3. This international One XL is already LTE capable, so not sure what you are referring too, maybe you should read up a little more. Example, T-Mobile SGS2 and ATT SkyRocket. So again, maybe read up a little more.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
I know for sure that:
1. Putting an HTC One XL/AT&T One X radio image onto an HTC One X will brick your phone, S-OFF or not.
2. The international unlocked variant only supports running on AT&T, T-Mobile uses AWS and so as such only EDGE will work with the international variant on T-Mobile USA.
3. Software will not magically make it possible for you to gain an LTE chipset and the associated radio hardware. Read more. Radio images are mostly pointless to change in the first place and I would strongly suggest to stay with your carrier's radio images as they will have tweaked the radio firmware to best work on their network.
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Lets remember, the HTC Asia site is showing the international S4 version of the One X not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is on the HTC US page AT&T branded, as i have posted by link a few times. It clearly states it will carry AWS bands. This is an HTC site so I don't think to doubt it.
BarryH_GEG said:
This conflicts with the HTC Asia site which lists the AT&T phone's WCDMA bands as 850/1900/2100 MHz. And when you think about it, why would AT&T want to deploy a device that could so easily be used on a competitor’s network? The T-Mobile G2X was documented as being quad-band and when it shipped it wasn't. Someone needs to test the AT&T One X on T-Mobile before declaring victory. Everyone thought the same thing about the G-Note and it too used a Qualcomm chip. This is what Engadget had to say.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/psa-atandts-galaxy-note-does-not-support-aws-for-hspa/
There was a hack found but the signal is weak and it drains the battery faster than stock. So it might be possible to hack the One X if it doesn't work out-of-the-box.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/14/galaxy-note-gains-tmobile-hspa-access/
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Lets remember, the HTC Asia site is showing the international S4 version of the One X not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is on the HTC US page AT&T branded, as i have posted by link a few times. It clearly states it will carry AWS bands. This is an HTC site so I don't think to doubt it.
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Did you look at the HTC Asia link for the One XL? It specifically breaks out AT&T (by name) and Asia/Australia listing the bands for both. Since they're both official sites maintained by HTC one of them is wrong. Until the phone comes out and is in people's hands we won't know which one.
I agree, it is all nothing but speculation and it's all we can do until the phone comes out. Right now all we can do is hope and wish.
i am planning on buying either the htc one x or the xl (both international variants). i am more interested in buying the xl chiefly because of the newer processor....but i cant figure out how to root or unlock bootloader or find a rom here for the xl. most of the things i see regarding the one xl are mostly about the telstra or rogers xl....i dont know whether they are the same as the international variants of the xl.....could some help me with answering whether bootloader unlocking can be done on this or not? can this be rooted? if so then how? & can i install any custom roms or mods in it etc etc?
if your phone is an XL (code name Evita) this is the right forum.
Only the US variant on AT&T can't be bootloader unlocked via HTC Dev.
I wasn't aware the XL was available "carrier unlocked international" because it's LTE and implementation of LTe is country/carrier specific.
gunnyman said:
I wasn't aware the XL was available "carrier unlocked international" because it's LTE and implementation of LTe is country/carrier specific.
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The Hong Kong XL appears carrier independent. I also believe most of Europe, Asia and Australia use the same LTE standards and the phones can be shared between those regions.
twistedddx said:
The Hong Kong XL appears carrier independent. I also believe most of Europe, Asia and Australia use the same LTE standards and the phones can be shared between those regions.
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Pretty sure Europe uses completely different LTE bands than North America
Citing Wikipedia:
The LTE standard can be used with many different frequency bands. In North America, 700/ 800 and 1,700/ 1,900 MHz are planned to be used; 800, 1,800, 2,600 MHz in Europe; 1,800 and 2,600 MHz in Asia; and 1,800 MHz in Australia. As a result, phones from one country may not work in other countries. Users will need a multi-band capable phone for roaming internationally.
I excluded north America from my list. North America and Japan are often on non common tech compared to everyone else. For Europe, Asia and Australia it is likely lte will work by just changing apn's
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I excluded north America from my list. North America and Japan are often on non common tech compared to everyone else. For Europe, Asia and Australia it is likely lte will work by just changing apn's
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Did you edit your original comment? Lol.
Not to remove north America. It was never listed.
Get the the One XL.
Snapdragon has better memory write speed making it slight faster in some usage.
Dont worry Bout not being able to play tegra games, Chainfire 3D will fix that.
as for root/bootlade, its no problem. Unless you have att version you cant overlock but still have custom roms.
i was hoping someone could provide me with links to guides for rooting, & maybe some roms
jhnsok said:
Get the the One XL.
Snapdragon has better memory write speed making it slight faster in some usage.
Dont worry Bout not being able to play tegra games, Chainfire 3D will fix that.
as for root/bootlade, its no problem. Unless you have att version you cant overlock but still have custom roms.
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I have an at&t hox and my boot loader is unlocked u can absolutely unlock the boot loader and I did it with HTC dev...mind u an extra step is required but its simple and it works
Sent from my One X using xda app-developers app
linx1287 said:
i was hoping someone could provide me with links to guides for rooting, & maybe some roms
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Still not clear what version you are looking at buying. If its the dual core Snapdragon S4 version, everything you need is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237