I am confused as I am sure a lot of others are but the HTC One XL is not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is still called the HTC One X. As shown on GSMArena and on the HTC Site. The HTC One X with Tegra(International-non LTE), The HTC One XL SnapDragon(International-LTE) and The HTC AT&T One X.
The AT&T One X has very different LTE bands and international LTE
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_at&t-4614.php
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
The HTC One X (international) non-LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-4320.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
The HTC One XL (international) LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
LTE 1800 / 2600
Am I the only one confused??? These are from what I am reading, 3 totally types of the HTC One X, so it should be 3 different forums, right??
sans bands, the HTC One X on AT&T and the HTC One XL International are the same device. hardware, and software wise, thus, for development purposes have been lumped into the same category.
I'm not 100% how radios work though, so we may need a separate AT&T forum for AT&T development, in the case that radios are hard wired to accept only certain bands. I assume that the radios can be attenuated to receive different signal however.
Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
This will serve as the home for both the One XL (international Snapdragon S4 device) and AT&T One X. They are largely the same, although we'll need to switch out radios and such for different carriers. It should be very easy.
x3phyr said:
sans bands, the HTC One X on AT&T and the HTC One XL International are the same device. hardware, and software wise, thus, for development purposes have been lumped into the same category.
I'm not 100% how radios work though, so we may need a separate AT&T forum for AT&T development, in the case that radios are hard wired to accept only certain bands. I assume that the radios can be attenuated to receive different signal however.
Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Your post sounds as correct as what Ive been led to believe. The only difference is the radios for the different bands, which should be easy enough to swap around. All other development should be the exact same. Even though AT&T is calling their phone the One X, its essentially the One XL.
Red5 said:
Your post sounds as correct as what Ive been led to believe. The only difference is the radios for the different bands, which should be easy enough to swap around. All other development should be the exact same. Even though AT&T is calling their phone the One X, its essentially the One XL.
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Not only is it essentially the One XL, it is the One XL. Both have codename Evita in the bootloader.
It's like the Desire HD and Inspire 4G. You should be able to swap radios in S-OFF, but you will likely get poorer reception as AT&T will have custom tweaks on the radio files for their network, that will not be in international radio images.
Slightly confusing, it's somewhat hard to discern bands with HTC. I know i did a lot of searching to see if the HTC Raider [Rogers] had AWS so it could be used on Wind/Mobilicity. On the Box it says LTE 1700/2100 which was a toss up as to if it would also fall under AWS. After much deliberation and searching it concluded that no it did not, thus me buying the Amaze 4G, which was a sure thing.
For all these models, im going to assume Rogers is going to get the AT&T Version? Looking at the speccs am I right to assume it only has the 2100 freq and not AWS? Or am I totally off and it has full fledged AWS?.
Edit: Upon further review both bands are on there for HSDPA. Lets pray that is in the final product.
I got to play with the HTC One S prototype the other day via my stores HTC rep. It's fluid and the new camera system is just fantastic. It's ultra slim and looks great. It'd look even better in white, but all he had was a grey one.
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Slightly confusing, it's somewhat hard to discern bands with HTC. I know i did a lot of searching to see if the HTC Raider [Rogers] had AWS so it could be used on Wind/Mobilicity. On the Box it says LTE 1700/2100 which was a toss up as to if it would also fall under AWS. After much deliberation and searching it concluded that no it did not, thus me buying the Amaze 4G, which was a sure thing.
For all these models, im going to assume Rogers is going to get the AT&T Version? Looking at the speccs am I right to assume it only has the 2100 freq and not AWS? Or am I totally off and it has full fledged AWS?.
Edit: Upon further review both bands are on there for HSDPA. Lets pray that is in the final product.
I got to play with the HTC One S prototype the other day via my stores HTC rep. It's fluid and the new camera system is just fantastic. It's ultra slim and looks great. It'd look even better in white, but all he had was a grey one.
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So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
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So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
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Fantastic, lets hope the Rogers version is the same as the AT&T version, which it usually is.
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So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
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AT&T is getting the One XL. Here are the bands from the HTC Asia spec page. It won't support AWS and only supports the 700MHz spectrum via LTE.
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
http://www.htc.com/asia/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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I am confused as I am sure a lot of others are but the HTC One XL is not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is still called the HTC One X. As shown on GSMArena and on the HTC Site. The HTC One X with Tegra(International-non LTE), The HTC One XL SnapDragon(International-LTE) and The HTC AT&T One X.
The AT&T One X has very different LTE bands and international LTE
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_at&t-4614.php
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
The HTC One X (international) non-LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-4320.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
The HTC One XL (international) LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
LTE 1800 / 2600
Am I the only one confused??? These are from what I am reading, 3 totally types of the HTC One X, so it should be 3 different forums, right??
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Same thing. The One XL and AT&T One X have different supported radio bands, but they will run the same radio firmware if S-OFF. No more, no less.
Both the One XL and the AT&T One X have codename Evita, which means HTC considers both to be identical for development, and as such we should too.
Ahh, the confusion continues, if only people would read ...
Please have a look at one of my previous posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24936626#post24936626
So, as you can see, the Rogers unit will also simply be called the ONE X, even though it's LTE, and it will operate on LTE frequencies 700/1700. Although it does not specifically state 2100 on the Rogers site, this frequency is usually used for uploading and NOT downloading. The download frequencies are often the ones that people want to see.
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Addendum: I should be getting my Rogers unit (#2 on the list in Canada for their pre-orders), either tomorrow or Thursday. Rogers generally starts shipping their pre-order units 1-2 days before they officially go on sale, which appears to be this Friday, April 20.
Since they are the same hardware the modem/radio's can be swapped if we get s-off so you can effectively use the international on ATT or T-Mobile and have 32gigs vs 16 and FM tuner. The AT&T version will have support for AWS and 2100mhz. This is stated on the US HTC One X page and Gsmarena.
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AT&T is getting the One XL. Here are the bands from the HTC Asia spec page. It won't support AWS and only supports the 700MHz spectrum via LTE.
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
http://www.htc.com/asia/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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They are not the same as one the AT&T version is 16gigs and has no FM tuner. So, as I have stated, if it is unlocked and can get s-off we can then put the radio from the AT&T version into the unlocked international version and have 32gigs, FM Tuner and it will then work on AT&T or T-Mobile.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Same thing. The One XL and AT&T One X have different supported radio bands, but they will run the same radio firmware if S-OFF. No more, no less.
Both the One XL and the AT&T One X have codename Evita, which means HTC considers both to be identical for development, and as such we should too.
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So, as you can see, the Rogers unit will also simply be called the ONE X, even though it's LTE, and it will operate on LTE frequencies 700/1700.
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The link I posted from HTC Asia lists the same LTE bands for AT&T's One XL (B4=1700, B17=700). AT&T's referring to it as the "One X" and dropping the "L" also. It also mentions HSPA 2100.
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The link I posted from HTC Asia lists the same LTE bands for AT&T's One XL (B4=1700, B17=700). AT&T's referring to it as the "One X" and dropping the "L" also. It also mentions HSPA 2100.
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The AT&T model is as follows
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
LTE - 700/AWS(1700)
WCDMA(HSPA) - 2100/1900/AWS(1700)/850
EDGE - 850/900/1800/1900
From this we can say that unlocked it will work with on T-Mobile's 4G network. This is confirmed by the bands being on the phone but default.
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They are not the same as one the AT&T version is 16gigs and has no FM tuner. So, as I have stated, if it is unlocked and can get s-off we can then put the radio from the AT&T version into the unlocked international version and have 32gigs, FM Tuner and it will then work on AT&T or T-Mobile.
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I know for sure that:
1. Putting an HTC One XL/AT&T One X radio image onto an HTC One X will brick your phone, S-OFF or not.
2. The international unlocked variant only supports running on AT&T, T-Mobile uses AWS and so as such only EDGE will work with the international variant on T-Mobile USA.
3. Software will not magically make it possible for you to gain an LTE chipset and the associated radio hardware. Read more. Radio images are mostly pointless to change in the first place and I would strongly suggest to stay with your carrier's radio images as they will have tweaked the radio firmware to best work on their network.
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From this we can say that unlocked it will work with on T-Mobile's 4G network. This is confirmed by the bands being on the phone but default.
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This conflicts with the HTC Asia site which lists the AT&T phone's WCDMA bands as 850/1900/2100 MHz. And when you think about it, why would AT&T want to deploy a device that could so easily be used on a competitor’s network? The T-Mobile G2X was documented as being quad-band and when it shipped it wasn't. Someone needs to test the AT&T One X on T-Mobile before declaring victory. Everyone thought the same thing about the G-Note and it too used a Qualcomm chip. This is what Engadget had to say.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/psa-atandts-galaxy-note-does-not-support-aws-for-hspa/
There was a hack found but the signal is weak and it drains the battery faster than stock. So it might be possible to hack the One X if it doesn't work out-of-the-box.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/14/galaxy-note-gains-tmobile-hspa-access/
1. This is untrue, the chipset is the same and only radio is different so with s-off this is possible.
2. This is obvious without the radio swap as i have already stated.
3. This international One XL is already LTE capable, so not sure what you are referring too, maybe you should read up a little more. Example, T-Mobile SGS2 and ATT SkyRocket. So again, maybe read up a little more.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
I know for sure that:
1. Putting an HTC One XL/AT&T One X radio image onto an HTC One X will brick your phone, S-OFF or not.
2. The international unlocked variant only supports running on AT&T, T-Mobile uses AWS and so as such only EDGE will work with the international variant on T-Mobile USA.
3. Software will not magically make it possible for you to gain an LTE chipset and the associated radio hardware. Read more. Radio images are mostly pointless to change in the first place and I would strongly suggest to stay with your carrier's radio images as they will have tweaked the radio firmware to best work on their network.
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Lets remember, the HTC Asia site is showing the international S4 version of the One X not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is on the HTC US page AT&T branded, as i have posted by link a few times. It clearly states it will carry AWS bands. This is an HTC site so I don't think to doubt it.
BarryH_GEG said:
This conflicts with the HTC Asia site which lists the AT&T phone's WCDMA bands as 850/1900/2100 MHz. And when you think about it, why would AT&T want to deploy a device that could so easily be used on a competitor’s network? The T-Mobile G2X was documented as being quad-band and when it shipped it wasn't. Someone needs to test the AT&T One X on T-Mobile before declaring victory. Everyone thought the same thing about the G-Note and it too used a Qualcomm chip. This is what Engadget had to say.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/psa-atandts-galaxy-note-does-not-support-aws-for-hspa/
There was a hack found but the signal is weak and it drains the battery faster than stock. So it might be possible to hack the One X if it doesn't work out-of-the-box.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/14/galaxy-note-gains-tmobile-hspa-access/
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Lets remember, the HTC Asia site is showing the international S4 version of the One X not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is on the HTC US page AT&T branded, as i have posted by link a few times. It clearly states it will carry AWS bands. This is an HTC site so I don't think to doubt it.
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Did you look at the HTC Asia link for the One XL? It specifically breaks out AT&T (by name) and Asia/Australia listing the bands for both. Since they're both official sites maintained by HTC one of them is wrong. Until the phone comes out and is in people's hands we won't know which one.
I agree, it is all nothing but speculation and it's all we can do until the phone comes out. Right now all we can do is hope and wish.
are there any roms out there that support 900mhz HSDPA?
I tried flashing the 02 modem but no luck, currently on the viper rom but it doesnt seem like there support on this either
Frequency support is hardware based. If the 900 Mhz HSPA frequency is not supported in hardware (which it should not be, since its not in the phone's specs), it can't be added by flashing any amount of software radios, ROMs etc.
actually while you are correct, but normally if 850 mhz is supported the hardware will support 900 in my experience. In fact I managed to get 900mhz, working on my at&t skyrocket so it got me thinking that it might be possible on this phone as well
Doubt it. It's entirely hardware related. Software can't change this at all.
Proxyep said:
actually while you are correct, but normally if 850 mhz is supported the hardware will support 900 in my experience. In fact I managed to get 900mhz, working on my at&t skyrocket so it got me thinking that it might be possible on this phone as well
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The Skyrocket and HOX do support 850/900/1800/1900 on the 2G network, but they only support 850/1800/1900 on the 3G side. Why they do this is beyond me.
That said, I've never personally seen a provider who only has 3G on the 900mhz band. While traveling in Germany, I knew that Vodafone and T-Mobile (DE) had 3G on the 900mhz band, but they also run it on 1800mhz. If I were to wager a hypothesis, they are operating their 2G network on 900 and their 3G network on 1800, much in the same way that AT&T operates its 2G network on 850 (in some areas) and its 3G network on 1900.
Unless your provider is only operating on the 900mhz band, it shouldn't matter.
rbrugman said:
The Skyrocket and HOX do support 850/900/1800/1900 on the 2G network, but they only support 850/1800/1900 on the 3G side. Why they do this is beyond me.
That said, I've never personally seen a provider who only has 3G on the 900mhz band. While traveling in Germany, I knew that Vodafone and T-Mobile (DE) had 3G on the 900mhz band, but they also run it on 1800mhz. If I were to wager a hypothesis, they are operating their 2G network on 900 and their 3G network on 1800, much in the same way that AT&T operates its 2G network on 850 (in some areas) and its 3G network on 1900.
Unless your provider is only operating on the 900mhz band, it shouldn't matter.
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well I have 2100 as well but the point is I am wondering if there is any roms that support the 900mhz band. Doesn't 02 use 900mhz 3G?
Besides on the official website it says this! (Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
IS the hardware on the AT&T one X the same as the one on the one XL?
Proxyep said:
Besides on the official website it says this! (Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
IS the hardware on the AT&T one X the same as the one on the one XL?
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Its not clear to me what version of the phone you own, and are talking about. You mention that you have an AT&T Skyrocket, but you also have Vodaphone logo by your avatar, location is stated as New Zealand, and mention O2.
If you are talking about the AT&T One X, then no, the 900 MHz band is not listed in the specs for 3G compatibility: http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-x-gray.html
Proxyep said:
are there any roms out there that support 900mhz HSDPA?
I tried flashing the 02 modem but no luck, currently on the viper rom but it doesnt seem like there support on this either
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Seems like on another thread someone got 3G....No idea how, but they did.
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redpoint73 said:
Its not clear to me what version of the phone you own, and are talking about. You mention that you have an AT&T Skyrocket, but you also have Vodaphone logo by your avatar, location is stated as New Zealand, and mention O2.
If you are talking about the AT&T One X, then no, the 900 MHz band is not listed in the specs for 3G compatibility: http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-x-gray.html
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I had the Skyrocket, not the OP. I was just comparing frequency specs.
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Proxyep said:
well I have 2100 as well but the point is I am wondering if there is any roms that support the 900mhz band. Doesn't 02 use 900mhz 3G?
Besides on the official website it says this! (Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
IS the hardware on the AT&T one X the same as the one on the one XL?
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Sorry, I didn't realize you had an Australian One X(L). According to the official specs, it should support 3G on the 900 mhz band. The rom you use won't make a difference. If the One X REALLY supports 3G on the 900mhz band, it should work with whatever rom/radio combo you choose. That said, there is a possibility that it is a typo on HTC's part, and that it doesn't actually support 3G on that band.
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I had the Skyrocket, not the OP. I was just comparing frequency specs.
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Actually, if you read post #3 the OP mentions he has an AT&T Skyrocket also.
rbrugman said:
Sorry, I didn't realize you had an Australian One X(L). According to the official specs, it should support 3G on the 900 mhz band. The rom you use won't make a difference. If the One X REALLY supports 3G on the 900mhz band, it should work with whatever rom/radio combo you choose. That said, there is a possibility that it is a typo on HTC's part, and that it doesn't actually support 3G on that band.
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Its really not clear what the OP has, and what the specs are. Maybe purchsed from Vodaphone in New Zealand from the logos by his avatar? Or he could have bought the phone from a 3rd party source? In any case, he seems to be pulling specs from a generic source like the HTC website, since it indicates "Asia/Aus". Its best if he got the specs from the carrier (if its a carrier purchased phone) to make sure the specs match up with the exact version you have. Even so, typos and incorrect listing have been known to happen, as mentioned.
If the band really is listed in the specs, it should be supported in software, and no changes should be needed. Is the correct APN entered?
If settings are all correct, and data is still not working, it suggests the hardware does not in fact support the band.
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Proxyep said:
actually while you are correct, but normally if 850 mhz is supported the hardware will support 900 in my experience. In fact I managed to get 900mhz, working on my at&t skyrocket so it got me thinking that it might be possible on this phone as well
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Some AT&T phones, including the Skyrocket, Galaxy Note, and others have been known to have some bands "hidden" - supported in hardware, but not in software. I know people have gotten the AWS band working on these phones by flashing different radios.
This has not been found to be the case with the One X, so far.
redpoint73 said:
Some AT&T phones, including the Skyrocket, Galaxy Note, and others have been known to have some bands "hidden" - supported in hardware, but not in software. I know people have gotten the AWS band working on these phones by flashing different radios.
This has not been found to be the case with the One X, so far.
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yeah I guess you are right, there are instances where it momentarily connects to 900mhz but then drops to something else. It is a AT&T htc one X that I acquired cheaply btw.
i'll probably be selling it off, a severe lack of microSD card slot is honestly a real dealbreaker
Has anyone unlocked and used the HTC One X on T-Mobile? Does the 3G/4G work?
Are you talking about AWS band support on the One X, or the deployment of T-Mobile's 3G/4G network on the 1900 MHz band?
The AT&T version of the One X does not support the AWS band used by T-Mobile for HSPA+ (3G/4G) data. Some have theorized that the One X has AWS support in hardware, but its just not supported in software. As was the case for some other AT&T phones like the Note and a couple others (flashing a different radio enable AWS support). But nobody has gotten this working on the One X. Some folks have speculated that it might be possible if/when we get S-Off.
But also, T-Mobile has started deploying 3G/4G on the 1900 MHz band in some markets: http://androidandme.com/2012/09/carriers/t-mobile-one-city-closer-to-nationwide-4g-hspa-for-unlocked-and-att-phones/
If you are in one of those markets, you may get 3G/4G data speeds on the AT&T One X.
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Some folks have speculated that it might be possible if/when we get S-Off.
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Sadly it doesn't look like we're getting S-Off anytime soon. :crying:
Thanks Though!
So I've acquired a Verizon M8 and looking at the possibility of getting it fully functional on AT&T LTE. Haven't found anything through search yet other than it doesn't work stock. Flashing new radio? AT&T Rom?
nothinbutnick56 said:
So I've acquired a Verizon M8 and looking at the possibility of getting it fully functional on AT&T LTE. Haven't found anything through search yet other than it doesn't work stock. Flashing new radio? AT&T Rom?
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I had one and couldn't even get it to run 3G or HSPA+. Only thing i could get it to run was Edge. Not to sure why but I sold it. Have you had any luck getting 3G at least?
http://gigaom.com/2013/07/10/att-is...performance-tests-heres-atts-explanation-why/
Show it.
nothinbutnick56 said:
So I've acquired a Verizon M8 and looking at the possibility of getting it fully functional on AT&T LTE. Haven't found anything through search yet other than it doesn't work stock. Flashing new radio? AT&T Rom?
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I used this same data in another thread, figured it might be useful here. Basically, you'd potentially restrict yourself a great deal by using a Verizon M8 on AT&T's network.
I think we need to know what’s theoretically possible with these phones first. Here is what the Verizon M8 has the ability to use:
3G (GSM): 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
LTE: 700/AWS/1800/2600 MHz
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Source: M8 spec page
As it currently stands, these are the 3G and LTE frequencies for AT&T:
3G: 850/1900 MHz up to 21 Mbps
LTE: 700/AWS/1900/2300 MHz
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Sources:
List of LTE networks - Wikipedia
AT&T Mobility - Wikipedia
What this means is that the Verizon M8 would only be able to use AT&T's 3G up to 14.4 Mbps and not the full 21 Mbps (probably not a big deal). However, for LTE, it could only access 700 MHz and AWS, so you'd be out of luck if you're in an area that only has 1900 or 2300 MHz.
Again, this is all theoretical since it’s not totally easy to get a carrier-specific model to run LTE on another network, but someone had luck getting a Verizon model to run on T-Mobile’s network: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2710720