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Is there a 850 MHz HTC Touch Pro as advertised below?

The site Popular Electronics (I have no personal connection of any kind) advertises for sale a 850 MHz Touch pro
http://www.popularelect.com/product...id=CNPmmfGZhJUCFQRJFQod5VhbrQ&tab=2&osCsid=10
and it specifies that it has an 850 MHz capability:
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent)
Is this for real? All sites I have checked so far specify that the 850MHz version is not available as yet.
If the information of this site is for real, would it work for AT&T?

what a thousand dollar phone
these chinese pricks are getting ridiculous !!!(HTC)

In relation to my question: Is the 850 MHz part for real?
The actual store, btw, is in Chicago.

Correct if I'm wrong, but AFAIK all Pros are quad band GSM.

Yes, all of them have 850mhz available. And it's not Chinese, smart guy.

michalopoulosgk said:
it specifies that it has an 850 MHz capability:
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent)
Is this for real? All sites I have checked so far specify that the 850MHz version is not available as yet.
If the information of this site is for real, would it work for AT&T?
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It is for real. Check out the specifications on the main htc website it says exactly the same thing. The Europe/Asia version will work on Verizon, but you won't be able to get WCDMA speeds. The US version has 850/1900 WCDMA, whereas the Europe/Asia version as mentioned on the HTC site has 900/2100. Would be nice if they could make one with all 4 WCDMA's
I have definitely seen some sites that claim the Touch Pro is only Tri-Band, but the HTC site would be the one to go by seeing as they made it an all

WCDMA (3G) is where it differs. All Touch Pro's do NOT have 850mhz WCDMA. You can get service everywhere, but only 3G in areas with 900/2100mhz 3G... AT&T uses 850/1900 for 3G.

Black93300ZX said:
WCDMA (3G) is where it differs. All Touch Pro's do NOT have 850mhz WCDMA. You can get service everywhere, but only 3G in areas with 900/2100mhz 3G... AT&T uses 850/1900 for 3G.
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lol I just saw your last post in the release date thread and edited my response, but I was too slow

Many thanks to all, this was very helpful.

Black93300ZX said:
Yes, all of them have 850mhz available. And it's not Chinese, smart guy.
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No they do not all have it activated, smart guy ....look here at the official Dutch HTC site specs:
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
No 850mhz band... not even for gsm (voice) function. Its a triband not quadband....
And after browsing this forum for weeks now its still not clear to me if the 850mhz band can be activated with just a rom/radio update..... a lot of different opinions in here....
Somebody knows the 'truth'?

t-mobile usa is rolling out with 3g for bands 1700 to 2100

merten3000 said:
No they do not all have it activated, smart guy ....look here at the official Dutch HTC site specs:
http://www.htc.com/nl/product.aspx?id=54146
No 850mhz band... not even for gsm (voice) function. Its a triband not quadband....
And after browsing this forum for weeks now its still not clear to me if the 850mhz band can be activated with just a rom/radio update..... a lot of different opinions in here....
Somebody knows the 'truth'?
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First of all, it is a ROM flash, second, their specs page for english used to say triband too but they changed it to quad band...

I have a friend who works for ATT and just tested the new HTC Touch Pro (Raphael) and said that ATT is planning on releasing them in November, code named "ATT Fusion."

Of course, they claim it's real...
michalopoulosgk said:
The site Popular Electronics (I have no personal connection of any kind) advertises for sale a 850 MHz Touch pro...
If the information of this site is for real, would it work for AT&T?
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These guys say (of course) they got a few in stock and they sold quickly. These are actually the EUROPE/ASIA version but the rep claims they are Quadband and that 3G works on both AT&T and T-Mobile (US). They are getting more in next week.
http://www.popularelect.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_58&products_id=1026
Hmmmm....who to believe?????
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DeniaL said:
I have a friend who works for ATT and just tested the new HTC Touch Pro (Raphael) and said that ATT is planning on releasing them in November, code named "ATT Fusion."
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That's interesting. Did he get to take any pictures by any slight chance?

The more I read the more I get confused.....are the phones (if as advertised) in the site mentioned on post 14 likely to be working with ATT 3G?

UMTS/HSDPA for 850/900/1900/2100 on Touch Pro
I also keep on hearing this regarding bands on the Touch Pro. Can the UMTS/HSDPA band be activated for 850/900/1900/2100 by just flashing a custom ROM or changing the Radio Version? Please someone answer this....

This is something i want to know as well. I've been doing quite a bit of searching with no answer as of yet.

I live 40 minutes from Chicago and have asked this company about AT&T, Quad Band, and actual prodoct availability.
If they have them in stock, I will drive to their store, insert my AT&T SIM card and see if it will actually work.
But first, let's see if they respond to my questions.

Good deal...
someara said:
I live 40 minutes from Chicago and have asked this company about AT&T, Quad Band, and actual prodoct availability.
If they have them in stock, I will drive to their store, insert my AT&T SIM card and see if it will actually work.
But first, let's see if they respond to my questions.
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Yea...I'm close to these guys too. Actually there are about 5 electronics storefront stores all next door to each other over there on W. Devon in Chicago. I bought my last 4 unlocked GSM phones from that area. Oddly enough, Popular Electronics have NEVER been the first to have any of the phones I wanted. For the past 2 years their usual answer has been "It will be here MONDAY." But "MONDAY" takes months to come!
The guys next door at Overseas Electronics (http://www.welectronics.com/) have always gotten the phones FIRST in that area--including the TyTN II. Even the other store next door to them (http://bargainoffers.com/catalog/default.php) get the hottest GSM phones before Pop Elect. This time though, Overseas say about 3-4 weeks out for the Touch Pro...so I'm really interested to know if Pop Elect actually gets them FOR REAL "by MONDAY" this time.
Please keep us informed. Thanks!!
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[Q] Anyone using the Omnia 7 in the US on AT&T

Is anyone using the Samsung Omnia 7 on AT&T? I know it has support for AT&T's 1900 band for 3G but wanted to know how the experience is. I'm in Germany this week and was hoping to see if I can pick one up [not really happy with any of the AT&T phones].
Also, with updates possibly being controlled by carriers what's the workaround for buying an unlocked device from overseas and using it in the US on AT&T?
Thx!

can't tell you about omnia on at&t, but as far as i'm aware if your phone is unlocked from carrier, i don't see any reason/possibility for them to delay an update being rolled to your phone.

Cool, thx.

You should be able to get updates via the Zune software.

I'm sorry. this is my first post for this forum. Im not educated on on the compatibility of the EU phones on US carriers....
But is this really possible? I really like the SS Omnia the best so far.
an unlocked ominia will work perfectly fine on AT&T?

it will work perfectly.. except for the lack of 3G. The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses... and the 1700 band tmobile uses.

An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...

shujaa said:
An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...
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Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good

shujaa said:
Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good
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One advantage with the Focus is it has an SD card slot to extend storage.
If you use you phone for music,movies and games it's a big +.

N8ter said:
Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
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lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.

akachay said:
lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.
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There are maps available showing coverage for each AT&T 3G frequency band. I wouldn't dismiss one band over the other. It all depends on what city you live in.
Check into the coverage areas before you waste money on a phone that won't give you 3G coverage in your area.

Very interesting as I googled AT&T 850 vs. 1900 MHz Coverage and pulled up a very interesting map [can't post a link due to my post count].
Coverage of the two bands is almost identical. I didn't know that speed is something to give up on the 1900 band though.
Good info. Yeah, I'm in Europe this week and no one is offering it unlocked!

here's the maps.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
my question would be though, which is the band they are going to expand going forward???

so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak

Krissrock said:
so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I'll be asking at an AT&T store, perhaps they can shed some light...

i personally am not sure if all phones handle the varying bands straight from the OEMs. HTC lists what bands their phone supports to each region, but in saying that it would be good to know what would happen if you got a omnia to the US (or in my case if i somehow managed to get an unlocked focus to australia ).

Krissrock said:
so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I don't think the phone supports at&t's 850mhz band.

according to this it does
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pd...icially_confirmed_windows_phone_7_smartphones
and this
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8700_omnia_7-3537.php
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
From what i've heard, ATT doesn't even really use the 850 spectrum much anymore...

Several people are selling this new on eBay for ~$600, but it does not support 3G. As per the one auction details:
* Works with AT&T and T-mobile EDGE but does not work with 3G networks in the USA
* Works with AT&T 1900Mhz 3G but not AT&T 850mhz 3G - Does not work with T-mobile 3G in the USA
I love the design of this phone too but is it worth paying all that money for a phone where you won't be able to take advantage of all its features? Edge is slow as Sh*t compared to 3g in my area. Just consider that if you really want this phone in the US.

[Q] Intl XL and X ATT - are RUU & radio interchangeable?

Since this model isn't out yet, I suppose this is not yet considered a n00b question. I am, and I'm sure many of you are also, wondering if the international One XL and the US version One X on AT&T would be able to interchange radios via RUU updates. If radios are interchangeable by themselves, is it simply a matter of S-OFF?
Why am I asking this?
I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
Safe!

senkulpa said:
Since this model isn't out yet, I suppose this is not yet considered a n00b question. I am, and I'm sure many of you are also, wondering if the international One XL and the US version One X on AT&T would be able to interchange radios via RUU updates. If radios are interchangeable by themselves, is it simply a matter of S-OFF?
Why am I asking this?
I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
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ATT bands:
LTE CAT3 - DL 100 /UL 50
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
International bands:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900//2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
ATT lite band is 700/AWS. That will not work in England or Germany if you have stated the bands correctly. Both versions will work on 3G & 2G in either market.

Band compatibility is set in hardware, and cannot be changed by flashing a new radio, if that is what you are suggesting. So if you need a particular LTE band, the phone you buy needs to be compatible with that band when you buy it.

Thanks for quick responses, everyone.
If I buy the AT&T one but I'm on T-Mobile's (bulls*** fake 4G) HSPA+ which runs on AWS 1700/2100, I imagine that would work still? Or when it mentions 1700/2100 that is segregated for downlink and uplink? If that is so, then dammit, I will have to re-evalute my life!

redpoint73 said:
Band compatibility is set in hardware, and cannot be changed by flashing a new radio, if that is what you are suggesting. So if you need a particular LTE band, the phone you buy needs to be compatible with that band when you buy it.
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I see. I brought up the question about radios because, as you probably already know - since it was on XDA headlines and that, TMo's SGS2 and ATT's Skyrocket + Galaxy Note were able to switch radios. Specifically, the Skyrocket was able to flash SGS2 HSPA+ radio and fully utilise its speeds.
References:
SGS2 & Skyrocket: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4129&idPhone2=4303
SGS2 & GNote: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4129&idPhone2=4374
The comparison of the Intl XL and X AT&T is making me assume that HSPA+ will work on T-Mo at least, since it supports both AWS 1700 and 1200. I guess the Intl XL only supports 2100, which continues to leave me a little confused (when comparing it to Skyrocket + TMo's HSPA+).
Ref:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4614&idPhone2=4572
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You can probably flash XL and X ATT radios, but they will operate on the same bands as always.
I have a very strong feeling that the X ATT radios will be better if you are on AT&T though.

senkulpa said:
If I buy the AT&T one but I'm on T-Mobile's (bulls*** fake 4G) HSPA+ which runs on AWS 1700/2100, I imagine that would work still? Or when it mentions 1700/2100 that is segregated for downlink and uplink? If that is so, then dammit, I will have to re-evalute my life!
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Its impossible to be 100% positive on the compatibility, since the phone is not even released yet.
But yes, the band T-Mobile uses (1700/2100) one is used for upload, and the other for download, also known as Band IV.
The 2100 band normally included on AT&T phones (for 3G international use) is Band I. So the One XL will probably not work on T-Mobs 3G network.
They have no reason to include T-Mobs band on an AT&T phone. But they do have motivation for including Band I for its international traveling customers, since this band is widely used in Europe, Asia, and other places.

redpoint73 said:
Its impossible to be 100% positive on the compatibility, since the phone is not even released yet.
But yes, the band T-Mobile uses (1700/2100) one is used for upload, and the other for download, also known as Band IV.
The 2100 band normally included on AT&T phones (for 3G international use) is Band I. So the One XL will probably not work on T-Mobs 3G network.
They have no reason to include T-Mobs band on an AT&T phone. But they do have motivation for including Band I for its international traveling customers, since this band is widely used in Europe, Asia, and other places.
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Since there is no release yet, we're all speculating - which is okay.
I've been researching mobile frequencies and bands, and it seems that since there is WCDMA support listed on the specifications for frequencies: 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100, they fall into bands:
1 (2.1 @ DL 2110-2170, UL 1920-1980)
2 (PCS 1900 @ DL 1930-1990, UL 1850-1910)
4 (AWS @ DL 2110-2155, UL 1710-1755) could be band 10 (Extended AWS)
5 (850 MHz @ DL 869-894, UL 824-849)
The sole LTE band is:
17 (LTE700 @ DL 734-746, UL 704-716)
whilst 1700 and 2100 are also used for LTE.
DL = downlink range
UL = uplink range
Referenced from:
http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php
The only thing that could prevent cross-compatibility (which, as mentioned, would favour AT&T) is having the LTE chipset separate from the HSDPA chipset. Though the case may not at all be for HTC, Samsung's Skyrocket (MSM8260) and Galaxy Note (MSM8660) have a single chipset that hosts LTE and HSDPA bands - thus their radios are interchangeable.
Do any of you know the specific radio chipset that is used in the One X for AT&T?
I'm assuming it's the radio on the listed SoC Qualcomm MSM8960 - which is also on the international One XL that is specified to simply host the 1800 / 2600 bands.
Referenced from:
Wikipedia entry on the Snapdragons (take this with a grain of salt!)
Snapdragon S4 product brief
As I said, as this is all speculation, a development hack on the modem or straight compatibility, or non-compatibility, could be the case. I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed!
Thanks so far for all of your replies!

To contradict my previous post, HTC's website doesn't even list support for 1700 MHz for the AT&T version of the One XL.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs

I don't think it's possible. The chipsets between the XL and X are VASTLY different Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 vs. Nvidia Tegra 3.
The Skyrocket, AT&T LTE Note and T-Mo SGSII on the other hand all use the same Snapdragon S3 Qualcomm chipset.

Taknarosh said:
I don't think it's possible. The chipsets between the XL and X are VASTLY different Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 vs. Nvidia Tegra 3.
The Skyrocket, AT&T LTE Note and T-Mo SGSII on the other hand all use the same Snapdragon S3 Qualcomm chipset.
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Simply in pertinence to my usage of "X" has always been about the AT&T derivative of the original One XL. Sorry for the wording, I'm at my uni's library - scholar mode on!

They may not be interchangeable between one x and one xl but you might be able to do that between one x and one s
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@ senkulpa
Lets hope for them to compatible. Are you contemplating switching to AT&T if they are not?

I'm stuck on contract until November with Terrible-Mobile.
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senkulpa said:
I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
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I kind of have the inverse problem to this...
I'm in the UK currently, and hoping that EE's 1800MHz LTE network is given the green light for Q3/Q4 - I want a One X, but it won't be future-proof (i.e. LTE compatible), so a One XL would be great! Also I might be in the states quite a lot over the next couple of years, so it would be nice to have an AT&T LTE-ready phone.
Considering importing the One XL and using it over here - also have the benfit of S4 vs. Tegra 3...
Cheers,
Su

Sumanji said:
I kind of have the inverse problem to this...
I'm in the UK currently, and hoping that EE's 1800MHz LTE network is given the green light for Q3/Q4 - I want a One X, but it won't be future-proof (i.e. LTE compatible), so a One XL would be great! Also I might be in the states quite a lot over the next couple of years, so it would be nice to have an AT&T LTE-ready phone.
Considering importing the One XL and using it over here - also have the benfit of S4 vs. Tegra 3...
Cheers,
Su
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Wouldn't be surprised to see a carrier out their own One XL variant.
I have a feeling that the One XL is international, but will require region/carrier specific versions based upon radio bands. While you can roam on HSPA+, you're going to probably be tied down to specific carriers/countries for LTE service.
Of course, development-wise this only matters for radio firmware and RILs, so development efforts won't be carrier-specific if we get S-OFF.

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senkulpa said:
Since this model isn't out yet, I suppose this is not yet considered a n00b question. I am, and I'm sure many of you are also, wondering if the international One XL and the US version One X on AT&T would be able to interchange radios via RUU updates. If radios are interchangeable by themselves, is it simply a matter of S-OFF?
Why am I asking this?
I'm on T-Mobile right now, planning to use AT&T model with TMo's HSPA+, but then I am moving to Europe in a few months - in Germany, they're using LTE on 2600 MHz whilst UK is rumoured to be using LTE on 1800 MHz (though LTE there is now up in the air again).
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They're the same radio and software, but physical antennas cannot be changed. Either it has it, or it doesn't.

AT&T HTC One X not One XL

I am confused as I am sure a lot of others are but the HTC One XL is not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is still called the HTC One X. As shown on GSMArena and on the HTC Site. The HTC One X with Tegra(International-non LTE), The HTC One XL SnapDragon(International-LTE) and The HTC AT&T One X.
The AT&T One X has very different LTE bands and international LTE
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_at&t-4614.php
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
The HTC One X (international) non-LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-4320.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
The HTC One XL (international) LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
LTE 1800 / 2600
Am I the only one confused??? These are from what I am reading, 3 totally types of the HTC One X, so it should be 3 different forums, right??

sans bands, the HTC One X on AT&T and the HTC One XL International are the same device. hardware, and software wise, thus, for development purposes have been lumped into the same category.
I'm not 100% how radios work though, so we may need a separate AT&T forum for AT&T development, in the case that radios are hard wired to accept only certain bands. I assume that the radios can be attenuated to receive different signal however.
Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.

This will serve as the home for both the One XL (international Snapdragon S4 device) and AT&T One X. They are largely the same, although we'll need to switch out radios and such for different carriers. It should be very easy.

x3phyr said:
sans bands, the HTC One X on AT&T and the HTC One XL International are the same device. hardware, and software wise, thus, for development purposes have been lumped into the same category.
I'm not 100% how radios work though, so we may need a separate AT&T forum for AT&T development, in the case that radios are hard wired to accept only certain bands. I assume that the radios can be attenuated to receive different signal however.
Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Your post sounds as correct as what Ive been led to believe. The only difference is the radios for the different bands, which should be easy enough to swap around. All other development should be the exact same. Even though AT&T is calling their phone the One X, its essentially the One XL.

Red5 said:
Your post sounds as correct as what Ive been led to believe. The only difference is the radios for the different bands, which should be easy enough to swap around. All other development should be the exact same. Even though AT&T is calling their phone the One X, its essentially the One XL.
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Not only is it essentially the One XL, it is the One XL. Both have codename Evita in the bootloader.
It's like the Desire HD and Inspire 4G. You should be able to swap radios in S-OFF, but you will likely get poorer reception as AT&T will have custom tweaks on the radio files for their network, that will not be in international radio images.

Slightly confusing, it's somewhat hard to discern bands with HTC. I know i did a lot of searching to see if the HTC Raider [Rogers] had AWS so it could be used on Wind/Mobilicity. On the Box it says LTE 1700/2100 which was a toss up as to if it would also fall under AWS. After much deliberation and searching it concluded that no it did not, thus me buying the Amaze 4G, which was a sure thing.
For all these models, im going to assume Rogers is going to get the AT&T Version? Looking at the speccs am I right to assume it only has the 2100 freq and not AWS? Or am I totally off and it has full fledged AWS?.
Edit: Upon further review both bands are on there for HSDPA. Lets pray that is in the final product.
I got to play with the HTC One S prototype the other day via my stores HTC rep. It's fluid and the new camera system is just fantastic. It's ultra slim and looks great. It'd look even better in white, but all he had was a grey one.

Radioslave said:
Slightly confusing, it's somewhat hard to discern bands with HTC. I know i did a lot of searching to see if the HTC Raider [Rogers] had AWS so it could be used on Wind/Mobilicity. On the Box it says LTE 1700/2100 which was a toss up as to if it would also fall under AWS. After much deliberation and searching it concluded that no it did not, thus me buying the Amaze 4G, which was a sure thing.
For all these models, im going to assume Rogers is going to get the AT&T Version? Looking at the speccs am I right to assume it only has the 2100 freq and not AWS? Or am I totally off and it has full fledged AWS?.
Edit: Upon further review both bands are on there for HSDPA. Lets pray that is in the final product.
I got to play with the HTC One S prototype the other day via my stores HTC rep. It's fluid and the new camera system is just fantastic. It's ultra slim and looks great. It'd look even better in white, but all he had was a grey one.
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So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.

ge3kswag said:
So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
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Fantastic, lets hope the Rogers version is the same as the AT&T version, which it usually is.

ge3kswag said:
So the One X on AT&T will have AWS and 2100mhz. AWS = 1700, which is why will all have hope it'll work in T-mobile and others that use AWS for 3/4G service.
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AT&T is getting the One XL. Here are the bands from the HTC Asia spec page. It won't support AWS and only supports the 700MHz spectrum via LTE.
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
http://www.htc.com/asia/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs

ge3kswag said:
I am confused as I am sure a lot of others are but the HTC One XL is not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is still called the HTC One X. As shown on GSMArena and on the HTC Site. The HTC One X with Tegra(International-non LTE), The HTC One XL SnapDragon(International-LTE) and The HTC AT&T One X.
The AT&T One X has very different LTE bands and international LTE
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_at&t-4614.php
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
The HTC One X (international) non-LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-4320.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
The HTC One XL (international) LTE
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php
2G/Edge Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G/WCDMA Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
LTE 1800 / 2600
Am I the only one confused??? These are from what I am reading, 3 totally types of the HTC One X, so it should be 3 different forums, right??
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Same thing. The One XL and AT&T One X have different supported radio bands, but they will run the same radio firmware if S-OFF. No more, no less.
Both the One XL and the AT&T One X have codename Evita, which means HTC considers both to be identical for development, and as such we should too.

Ahh, the confusion continues, if only people would read ...
Please have a look at one of my previous posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24936626#post24936626
So, as you can see, the Rogers unit will also simply be called the ONE X, even though it's LTE, and it will operate on LTE frequencies 700/1700. Although it does not specifically state 2100 on the Rogers site, this frequency is usually used for uploading and NOT downloading. The download frequencies are often the ones that people want to see.
Peter
Addendum: I should be getting my Rogers unit (#2 on the list in Canada for their pre-orders), either tomorrow or Thursday. Rogers generally starts shipping their pre-order units 1-2 days before they officially go on sale, which appears to be this Friday, April 20.

Since they are the same hardware the modem/radio's can be swapped if we get s-off so you can effectively use the international on ATT or T-Mobile and have 32gigs vs 16 and FM tuner. The AT&T version will have support for AWS and 2100mhz. This is stated on the US HTC One X page and Gsmarena.
BarryH_GEG said:
AT&T is getting the One XL. Here are the bands from the HTC Asia spec page. It won't support AWS and only supports the 700MHz spectrum via LTE.
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
http://www.htc.com/asia/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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They are not the same as one the AT&T version is 16gigs and has no FM tuner. So, as I have stated, if it is unlocked and can get s-off we can then put the radio from the AT&T version into the unlocked international version and have 32gigs, FM Tuner and it will then work on AT&T or T-Mobile.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Same thing. The One XL and AT&T One X have different supported radio bands, but they will run the same radio firmware if S-OFF. No more, no less.
Both the One XL and the AT&T One X have codename Evita, which means HTC considers both to be identical for development, and as such we should too.
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PeterHTC said:
So, as you can see, the Rogers unit will also simply be called the ONE X, even though it's LTE, and it will operate on LTE frequencies 700/1700.
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The link I posted from HTC Asia lists the same LTE bands for AT&T's One XL (B4=1700, B17=700). AT&T's referring to it as the "One X" and dropping the "L" also. It also mentions HSPA 2100.

BarryH_GEG said:
The link I posted from HTC Asia lists the same LTE bands for AT&T's One XL (B4=1700, B17=700). AT&T's referring to it as the "One X" and dropping the "L" also. It also mentions HSPA 2100.
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The AT&T model is as follows
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
LTE - 700/AWS(1700)
WCDMA(HSPA) - 2100/1900/AWS(1700)/850
EDGE - 850/900/1800/1900
From this we can say that unlocked it will work with on T-Mobile's 4G network. This is confirmed by the bands being on the phone but default.

ge3kswag said:
They are not the same as one the AT&T version is 16gigs and has no FM tuner. So, as I have stated, if it is unlocked and can get s-off we can then put the radio from the AT&T version into the unlocked international version and have 32gigs, FM Tuner and it will then work on AT&T or T-Mobile.
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I know for sure that:
1. Putting an HTC One XL/AT&T One X radio image onto an HTC One X will brick your phone, S-OFF or not.
2. The international unlocked variant only supports running on AT&T, T-Mobile uses AWS and so as such only EDGE will work with the international variant on T-Mobile USA.
3. Software will not magically make it possible for you to gain an LTE chipset and the associated radio hardware. Read more. Radio images are mostly pointless to change in the first place and I would strongly suggest to stay with your carrier's radio images as they will have tweaked the radio firmware to best work on their network.

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From this we can say that unlocked it will work with on T-Mobile's 4G network. This is confirmed by the bands being on the phone but default.
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This conflicts with the HTC Asia site which lists the AT&T phone's WCDMA bands as 850/1900/2100 MHz. And when you think about it, why would AT&T want to deploy a device that could so easily be used on a competitor’s network? The T-Mobile G2X was documented as being quad-band and when it shipped it wasn't. Someone needs to test the AT&T One X on T-Mobile before declaring victory. Everyone thought the same thing about the G-Note and it too used a Qualcomm chip. This is what Engadget had to say.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/psa-atandts-galaxy-note-does-not-support-aws-for-hspa/
There was a hack found but the signal is weak and it drains the battery faster than stock. So it might be possible to hack the One X if it doesn't work out-of-the-box.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/14/galaxy-note-gains-tmobile-hspa-access/

1. This is untrue, the chipset is the same and only radio is different so with s-off this is possible.
2. This is obvious without the radio swap as i have already stated.
3. This international One XL is already LTE capable, so not sure what you are referring too, maybe you should read up a little more. Example, T-Mobile SGS2 and ATT SkyRocket. So again, maybe read up a little more.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
I know for sure that:
1. Putting an HTC One XL/AT&T One X radio image onto an HTC One X will brick your phone, S-OFF or not.
2. The international unlocked variant only supports running on AT&T, T-Mobile uses AWS and so as such only EDGE will work with the international variant on T-Mobile USA.
3. Software will not magically make it possible for you to gain an LTE chipset and the associated radio hardware. Read more. Radio images are mostly pointless to change in the first place and I would strongly suggest to stay with your carrier's radio images as they will have tweaked the radio firmware to best work on their network.
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Lets remember, the HTC Asia site is showing the international S4 version of the One X not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is on the HTC US page AT&T branded, as i have posted by link a few times. It clearly states it will carry AWS bands. This is an HTC site so I don't think to doubt it.
BarryH_GEG said:
This conflicts with the HTC Asia site which lists the AT&T phone's WCDMA bands as 850/1900/2100 MHz. And when you think about it, why would AT&T want to deploy a device that could so easily be used on a competitor’s network? The T-Mobile G2X was documented as being quad-band and when it shipped it wasn't. Someone needs to test the AT&T One X on T-Mobile before declaring victory. Everyone thought the same thing about the G-Note and it too used a Qualcomm chip. This is what Engadget had to say.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/psa-atandts-galaxy-note-does-not-support-aws-for-hspa/
There was a hack found but the signal is weak and it drains the battery faster than stock. So it might be possible to hack the One X if it doesn't work out-of-the-box.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/14/galaxy-note-gains-tmobile-hspa-access/
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ge3kswag said:
Lets remember, the HTC Asia site is showing the international S4 version of the One X not the AT&T version. The AT&T version is on the HTC US page AT&T branded, as i have posted by link a few times. It clearly states it will carry AWS bands. This is an HTC site so I don't think to doubt it.
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Did you look at the HTC Asia link for the One XL? It specifically breaks out AT&T (by name) and Asia/Australia listing the bands for both. Since they're both official sites maintained by HTC one of them is wrong. Until the phone comes out and is in people's hands we won't know which one.

I agree, it is all nothing but speculation and it's all we can do until the phone comes out. Right now all we can do is hope and wish.

Able to use an unlocked AT&T HTC One X internationally and get 3G?

I'm looking to get an unlocked HTC One X (AT&T) to use overseas where the 3G band is 2100. I read in the Engadget review that AWS is disabled out of the box?
What is AWS exactly? And does it affect the 2100 3G band that I need?
EDIT: So my exact question is, can I use an unlocked ATT HOX to get at least a 3G data connection where the band required is ONLY 2100 (read: NOT 1700/2100 like T-Mobile)? Like the UK and Taiwan as in this chart.
It'd be kinda ironic if it didn't work in Taiwan lol

AWS is a band of 3/4g used by T-Mobile, and other carriers. at&t does not use this band, nor does rogers. But most foreign carriers do.
From my understanding once we have s-off you can change this to use that band.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

kleeman7 said:
AWS is a band of 3/4g used by T-Mobile, and other carriers. at&t does not use this band, nor does rogers. But most foreign carriers do.
From my understanding once we have s-off you can change this to use that band.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
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Thanks for the info. Do you know which bands specifically are AWS? And does this mean unlocking the phone doesn't give me access to them? You wouldn't per chance know the thread that talks about the unlock for AWS would you? I can't seem to find it...

So it seems that AWS is synonymous with W-CDMA 1700 (UMTS Band IV)? And/or from 1710 to 1755 MHz for uplink, and from 2110 to 2155 MHz for downlink?
I got that from Wikipedia. So it would appear that if I need the 2100 band internationally, I'd be okay using an unlocked AT&T HTC One X. Can anybody verify this?
Sorry, I'm not too knowledgeable about what AWS is exactly... Except that T-Mobile USA uses the 1700 band and that's part of it which is why the ATT HOX doesn't get T-Mobile USA 3G.

You will get signal internationally, but it may not be 3g is all. But the 2100 band is at&t capable.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

kleeman7 said:
You will get signal internationally, but it may not be 3g is all. But the 2100 band is at&t capable.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
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Yeah, I'm not doubting the ability to get signal for talk/text, I want to try to get at least 3G. What's a smartphone without mobile data, right?
In any case, I just tried looking it up and it seems that AT&T uses 850 and 1900?
So it would appear that AWS generally refers to the pairing of 1700/2100. Does that mean AWS is ONLY the band pair and does NOT refer to using only 2100?

Even in UMTS 2100, upload will be in 19xx range. I'm sure HOX will work in 2100 UMTS band.

funnce said:
So it would appear that AWS generally refers to the pairing of 1700/2100. Does that mean AWS is ONLY the band pair and does NOT refer to using only 2100?
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Correct, AWS just refers to the split band (1700/2100) only, where one band is used for download, the other for upload (can never remember which is which). AWS is also known as Band IV. Its not to be confused with the 2100 MHz band (Band I) used in Europe and many other parts of the world for 3G.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD
The phone should work fine while traveling, including 3G. But I will try to confirm next week, as I am traveling to Europe. This will be my first trip abroad with the One X. I'll be roaming on AT&T; instead of SIM unlocked and running a local SIM. But roaming on AT&T works pretty similar, using the local carriers (the only real difference is in the billing). So I can at least confirm that part works.
IN the past I've traveled internationally with several AT&T phones with the 2100 MHz band, so I don't expect any problems.
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kleeman7 said:
AWS is a band of 3/4g used by T-Mobile, and other carriers. at&t does not use this band, nor does rogers. But most foreign carriers do.
From my understanding once we have s-off you can change this to use that band.
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The part about most foreign carriers using AWS is false, as I noted above. AWS is pretty much an anomaly, only used by T-Mobile, and carriers in Canada and Venezuela. You are confusing Band I with Band IV.
Just want to make sure that this is clear, for anyone else reading this thread, to avoid misunderstanding.
Also, the part about enabling AWS once we have S-Off is just speculation. I would not take if for granted. Mostly just wishful thinking by those on T-Mobile. I would not take it as fact.

Thanks for the answers! Do let me know how 3G works on your trip though

I messaged HTC and this is an excerpt from the reply they sent me:
To put it very simply, the AT&T One X uses a cellular radio that does not have or use the 2100 frequency. With this being the case, the situation is actually a hardware limitation, not a lack of software or a software disablement of a hardware functionality. This, of course, means that you wouldn't get 3G in Taiwan with an unlocked AT&T One X. You can still get 2G/EDGE with the proper data network settings though. I can definitely appreciate the irony of the situation though, our phones are manufactured in Taiwan after all!
That being said, I messaged them back and asked why 2100 was listed as supported on their official site.

Reply:
Considering that AWS is listed as an LTE technology in those specifications when it's not an LTE tech tells me that the specifications are listed incorrectly. I've gone ahead and forwarded this for review and correction though. Even if the specifications are correct, because the device is configured for AT&T's 3G network, which uses the 850 and 1900 frequencies, it's still very likely that you still would not get 3G service.
So, the rep doesn't know is all I'm getting from this email. "Very likely" doesn't sound definitive to me.

I can confirm that at&t hox is working fine in umts aka 3g mode in 2100Mhz. Just today i received one, sim unlocked it and tested
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redpoint73 said:
The phone should work fine while traveling, including 3G. But I will try to confirm next week, as I am traveling to Europe. This will be my first trip abroad with the One X. I'll be roaming on AT&T; instead of SIM unlocked and running a local SIM. But roaming on AT&T works pretty similar, using the local carriers (the only real difference is in the billing). So I can at least confirm that part works.
IN the past I've traveled internationally with several AT&T phones with the 2100 MHz band, so I don't expect any problems.
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Sorry for the late update. But I can verify that 3G on the AT&T version of the One X works just fine in Germany, which uses 2100 MHz for 3G.
I didn't use data a whole lot, but a little browsing, Google Maps, etc., all of which seemed speedy. I also ran Speedtest while in Germany, and got 5.5 Mbps down, 1.3 Mbps up, which I think is safe to say 3G and not EDGE. Also had the "4G" icon in the notification bar, since our phone displays that for HSPA.
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funnce said:
I messaged HTC and this is an excerpt from the reply they sent me:
To put it very simply, the AT&T One X uses a cellular radio that does not have or use the 2100 frequency. With this being the case, the situation is actually a hardware limitation, not a lack of software or a software disablement of a hardware functionality. This, of course, means that you wouldn't get 3G in Taiwan with an unlocked AT&T One X. You can still get 2G/EDGE with the proper data network settings though. I can definitely appreciate the irony of the situation though, our phones are manufactured in Taiwan after all!
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That rep is clearly clueless, as what I mentioned above proves he is incorrect.

redpoint73 said:
Sorry for the late update. But I can verify that 3G on the AT&T version of the One X works just fine in Germany, which uses 2100 MHz for 3G.
I didn't use data a whole lot, but a little browsing, Google Maps, etc., all of which seemed speedy. I also ran Speedtest while in Germany, and got 5.5 Mbps down, 1.3 Mbps up, which I think is safe to say 3G and not EDGE. Also had the "4G" icon in the notification bar, since our phone displays that for HSPA.
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That rep is clearly clueless, as what I mentioned above proves he is incorrect.
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I am in China, and it's the same 2100 MHz for 3G, I can sometimes connect to the HSPA but it's not stable and keep have notification 'Restricted Access Changed. Data Service is blocked'. Although I can use internet browser and some apps like Google Map. But some apps keep prompted ' network unavailable' like Weibo, I found the problematic apps are clients of news website. I wonder if they use some protocol which is not support or blocked?

Great
redpoint73 said:
Sorry for the late update. But I can verify that 3G on the AT&T version of the One X works just fine in Germany, which uses 2100 MHz for 3G.
I didn't use data a whole lot, but a little browsing, Google Maps, etc., all of which seemed speedy. I also ran Speedtest while in Germany, and got 5.5 Mbps down, 1.3 Mbps up, which I think is safe to say 3G and not EDGE. Also had the "4G" icon in the notification bar, since our phone displays that for HSPA.
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That rep is clearly clueless, as what I mentioned above proves he is incorrect.
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This is great news for me. I will receive an HOX at&t and I'm in Europe so is great that the 3g is working here.