Hey everyone! Back home, I use Touchpad from Nullar (works fantastically) to control my PC and media players when I'm in bed or on my couch. However, I am now at school, and I cannot use WiFi in my room; I can't use Touchpad anymore. Has anyone attempted PC HID control via bluetooth or USB? I tried searching with several different keywords, but I was unsuccessful.
I don't think anybody has managed direct control over the USB connection yet, although we can manipulate it into a few known and pre-installed states (HID not being one of them, sorry). Bluetooth may be possible; we do have at least some access to the BT stack, although since it doesn't support HID natively either it would be quite a hack to get that working.
Are you disallowed WiFi for some reason, or do you just not have a WiFi network set up (and wow, are there really schools that still don't have WiFi in the dorms??)? A WiFi router is pretty cheap these days. Alternatively, it's possible to configure a PC's WiFi adapter to act like a WiFi access point, allowing the phoen to connect to it. I don't know for sure if Touchpad would work over that, but probably.
In theory, Touchpad should be possible over the Internet, though you'd need to open the firewall ports (whcih, depending on your school's network, might not be possible). Ot would lag, too.
GoodDayToDie said:
I don't think anybody has managed direct control over the USB connection yet, although we can manipulate it into a few known and pre-installed states (HID not being one of them, sorry). Bluetooth may be possible; we do have at least some access to the BT stack, although since it doesn't support HID natively either it would be quite a hack to get that working.
Are you disallowed WiFi for some reason, or do you just not have a WiFi network set up (and wow, are there really schools that still don't have WiFi in the dorms??)? A WiFi router is pretty cheap these days. Alternatively, it's possible to configure a PC's WiFi adapter to act like a WiFi access point, allowing the phoen to connect to it. I don't know for sure if Touchpad would work over that, but probably.
In theory, Touchpad should be possible over the Internet, though you'd need to open the firewall ports (whcih, depending on your school's network, might not be possible). Ot would lag, too.
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Touchpad over WiFi/internet already works. We do have WiFi in the dorms, but the routers are in the lounges (no signal in my room). The rooms have ethernet ports, which is what I use, however we aren't allowed to use a router/hotspot in our rooms because of throttling issues.
Making your PC use the built-in WiFi interface as an access point is probably your best bet. Obviously, lock the network down so it's not going to have other people connecting and getting you in trouble. Do a little searching and you should find the software that does this (there are a few different ones). It was actually supposed to be a Win7 feature, but at the end it shipped half-finished. A few other developers finished it up for Microsoft.
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Making your PC use the built-in WiFi interface as an access point is probably your best bet. Obviously, lock the network down so it's not going to have other people connecting and getting you in trouble. Do a little searching and you should find the software that does this (there are a few different ones). It was actually supposed to be a Win7 feature, but at the end it shipped half-finished. A few other developers finished it up for Microsoft.
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I tried doing this with my friend's laptop (I'll buy a dongle if this works), however my phone (SparkW) doesn't see the network, and when I type in the name manually it doesn't connect. The network was visible to another laptop though.
Did you make it appear as an access point ("Infrastructure" network), or merely cause the PC to create its own peer-to-peer ("ad-hoc") network? WP7 doesn't support that latter kind, but will happily connect to the former. Also, what software did you use? If it was anything that came with Windows, or with any Windows PC, it was almost certainly ad-hoc.
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Did you make it appear as an access point ("Infrastructure" network), or merely cause the PC to create its own peer-to-peer ("ad-hoc") network? WP7 doesn't support that latter kind, but will happily connect to the former. Also, what software did you use? If it was anything that came with Windows, or with any Windows PC, it was almost certainly ad-hoc.
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It was ad-hoc with the built in services. I'll try out connectify this weekend and post my results here.
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I know that the CM 6.1 supports the USB Keyboard/mouse, but what are the odds of getting the Bluetooth DUN tethering support ported over from the Archos 101 and 70 devices? Would love to hear some insight from the devs about the feasibility of having such a feature. I would love to leave my EVO tethered to the GTab over Bluetooth instead of Wifi. It would be a huge battery saver when I'm away from home/office wifi connection.
Also, USB Keyboard/mouse as a part of TnT? Possible? Worth it? Not worth it?
I second the above. BT stays on 24/7 on my phone, it would be much easier, and ideally we could eventually come up with some sort of on-demand script or app that keeps the BT DUN profile active, without battery drain on the cell.
With this in place, the gTab could connect and disconnect to the cell phone as needed, just like DUN should be. Best case scenario is to not even have to do anything on the phone, just enable BT on the gTab (or leave enabled as desired) and do some activity that accesses the internet. This would trigger a BT DUN connection to the phone, which disconnects after a certain period of inactivity (or manually, as desired).
If I knew a damn thing about how to program, this is what I would be trying to create.
That said, I'm a willing guinea pig.
Really? No one else is interested in this?
I know one of you guys out there has a rooted phone with wireless tether. I'm just starting down the root road. I have a Dinc, but it's been factory since I got it... and will be until the weekend, the gTab has whetted my whistle for root freedom.
What happens when you try to pair your gTab with your phone while it's got BT Tether activated? Any BT DUN profile goodness?
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What happens when you try to pair your gTab with your phone while it's got BT Tether activated? Any BT DUN profile goodness?
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I'll try it out and let you know.
Bluetooth Tethering a High Wish List Item
For me, getting the tablet to tether via bluetooth to my Blackberry Tour would be a high priority wish list item. I am completely in the dark with this stuff but I can tether my PC to my Blackberry so I should in theory be able to tether and use the network connection. I realize that most folks here probably have an Android-base smartphone, but my company makes me carry around their smartphone (and has the decency to pay for unlimited data plan). If I could get the tablet to work from the BB's network connection I would be almost complete on my wish list. I have gotten to the point of paring the two devices (but can't seem to get them to connect). I am using tnt lite 2.02 and my 9630 device has v 4.7.1.40 with 3G, CDMA connections.
Indeed, the hope would be that the BT stack within the gTab can take advantage of BT Dial up networking or Personal area networking profiles. Then we would be good to go. If not now, hopefully we can find a way to get that to work.
Really? No one care about Bluetooth Tether on this device?
You don't have to ask me twice Oops, you did.
I am extremely interested in a Bluetooth tethering solution for the gtab. It's the only way I will be able to get a 3G connection from my phone that won't be policed at work (non-corporate wifi hotspots are monitored).
I have a Nexus One Adnroid phone (running Froyo 2.2.1). I use the Wifi hotspot feature when I want hop online with my G-Tab (my work monitors wifi, as well but I only turn it on as I need it.) I can't speak for BlackBerry phones but any "rooted" Android phone should be able to act as a 3G/4G hotspot.
Wifi tethering should be faster, but USB tethering and keyboard & mouse support are needed and should work in the first place. (keyboard and mouse support at least should).
Need a program like http://android.gval.biz/ or ibluever for iphone/itouch then the g tablet would be my laptop replacement for traveling .
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Need a program like http://android.gval.biz/ or ibluever for iphone/itouch then the g tablet would be my laptop replacement for traveling .
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I've tried to run this on VEGAn ROM, configured but at the moment when It suppose to scan for Channels, it exits of message "Failed To connect to SDP server on device Blackberry 9000".... ideas?
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Need a program like http://android.gval.biz/ or ibluever for iphone/itouch then the g tablet would be my laptop replacement for traveling .
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Are you looking for DUN over BT? If so, have you tried this:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/pdanet/com.pdanet
Jim
I believe PDAnet requires client windows/mac software, and they haven't written client Android software.
I haven't seen anyone port the Archos home-grown BT tether to any other brand. BT tether isn't part of Android (I'm betting the cellcos in OHA demanded it not be built).
My wife has Joikuspot on her phone, so she wifi tethers on the G-tab.
I have unlimited bluetooth data, so I bought an Archos.
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I believe PDAnet requires client windows/mac software, and they haven't written client Android software.
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You are right PDANet wont work as no client for Android, but from my experience listed above blackberry refusing connections.... or may be GTab just doesn't opening connection properly.
When I check GTable BT device property from Blackberry side it can do only:
Handsfree Audio Gateway
Headset Audio Gateway
Object Push
AV Remote Control Target
.... there is no DUN in the list, so I suspect it just not supported by BT stack on device.... but also I have in same my laptop listed as well which doesnt have DUN in its services
I need help. I was talking to a guy that claimed to be a developer of Splashtop, which allows you to run your laptop remotely from your tablet. The app was initially created for iphone/ipad, but is available in the Android market. I was so impressed with the app and how fast and seamless it runs your laptop programs that I purchased without question. Well I have a question: how do you connect to it remotely while away from home? I have turned on laptop, turned off auto shut down, and turned on splashtop on the pc. Everytime I have tried to connect away from home I get an "out of reach" message. I have been as little as 5 miles away. If anyone out there has knowledge of what I may be doing wrong please let me know. The guy told me this should work from anywhere just as long as my computer is turned on and running splashtop.
Thanks!!
I use it on my xoom, and it works great, but I haven't tried using it away from home. Hmm, thanks for the heads up, I want to find out too.
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I use it on my xoom, and it works great, but I haven't tried using it away from home. Hmm, thanks for the heads up, I want to find out too.
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Yes, great at home, but I can just use my laptop. If I can get it to actually work when I am away from home, then it makes my Xoom THE BEST thing to have! I get so tired of carrying my laptop around, this would help.
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Yes, great at home, but I can just use my laptop. If I can get it to actually work when I am away from home, then it makes my Xoom THE BEST thing to have! I get so tired of carrying my laptop around, this would help.
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I'm actually wondering this also. Does anyone have any insight?
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Yeah i got the splashtop and to make it work outside your home network, you must do port forwarding.
i uninstalled it because now, i keep getting drop connections and if i reconnect, it gives me error saying it is already being accessed by another device. this was both on my home network and accessing it from the outside. it was great but not anymore.
sorry for the rant.
Hmm
For the price it's probably not as good as some of it's competitors, which are closer to 5x the price of this. I would attribute it's lack of quality to the problems such as devices being already connected etc.
As for distance, it makes no difference, the most important thing to do is make sure that if you have a router, it must have the necessary ports forwarded to the computer you want to connect to.
Personally I try to avoid remote desktop and instead try make everything i might want from home accessible via web-apps or various servers.
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I need help. I was talking to a guy that claimed to be a developer of Splashtop, which allows you to run your laptop remotely from your tablet. The app was initially created for iphone/ipad, but is available in the Android market. I was so impressed with the app and how fast and seamless it runs your laptop programs that I purchased without question. Well I have a question: how do you connect to it remotely while away from home? I have turned on laptop, turned off auto shut down, and turned on splashtop on the pc. Everytime I have tried to connect away from home I get an "out of reach" message. I have been as little as 5 miles away. If anyone out there has knowledge of what I may be doing wrong please let me know. The guy told me this should work from anywhere just as long as my computer is turned on and running splashtop.
Thanks!!
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I don't have the app so I'm just giving some general comments:
Im assuming it works over wifi?
1) Maybe you need to enter the ip address of your home and name a port? then get the router to port forward to your laptop?
2) If it works over wifi, then if your router has the option set up a VPN. then connect to it when ur away from home - then its exactly as if ur xoom is connected to the local network itself
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I don't have the app so I'm just giving some general comments:
Im assuming it works over wifi?
1) Maybe you need to enter the ip address of your home and name a port? then get the router to port forward to your laptop?
2) If it works over wifi your router has the option set up a VPN. then connect to it when ur away from home - then its exactly as if ur xoom is connected to the local network itself
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Port forwarding is a new concept to me, so not sure how to do it, but you guys have given me a new thing to Google. Also, I did have my internet run through a router, but I disconnected it because I on have my home internet through ATT Uverse and didn't have anything that really needed to run through it. If you have some quick directions for me, then I will be grateful!
Teamviewer
Teamviewer does it away from home. Theres no sound and fluid video tho
I assume this is similar to Wyse Pocket, and i have never had issues connecting via 3G. Is this a better app?
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Port forwarding is a new concept to me, so not sure how to do it, but you guys have given me a new thing to Google. Also, I did have my internet run through a router, but I disconnected it because I on have my home internet through ATT Uverse and didn't have anything that really needed to run through it. If you have some quick directions for me, then I will be grateful!
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well your router gets its internet then shares it via with the rest of your computers.
Port forwarding takes all the data from a specific port and forwards it to a specific device.
to start you have to assign ur computer a static ip address (again through your router) then forward all data to it. sorry i cant be more precise but the procedure varies between routers. I have never used the ATT Uverse. Honestly the best thing to do is have a browse thorugh ur manual or google for a guide
try this site to see if your model is listed. if not choose a similar model and try to do similar steps
http://portforward.com/
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I assume this is similar to Wyse Pocket, and i have never had issues connecting via 3G. Is this a better app?
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These apps were made with very different goals in mind...
I use both of these apps for what I believe they were designed for and I'm happy with both. The WYSE PocketCloud app supports RDP / VNC connections but SplashTop doesn't. It's not even really designed for WAN access but rather just LAN access. Yes, unlike PocketCloud you'll need to use port forwarding to use it in the likely unsupported WAN configuration.
SplashTop runs beautifully on my LAN but I don't expect it to work outside those parameters. I think SplashTop has far superior frame rate / audio sync for watching Videos (with / without audio). Is it the optimized support for the Tegra 2? I don't know, but it works and works well. It lets me watch Hulu, NetFlix, etc with rarely a hiccup. PocketCloud can't touch that ATM.
Even though PocketCloud's framerate and audio sync are MUCH worse by comparison to SplashTop making it unusable (even when on my LAN connected by WiFi) for the purpose of watching video through it, I don't begrudge it since I don't believe that's what it's for. It has an awesome UI (I prefer it somewhat over SplashTop's) and works very well over RDP. When the Terminal Services update emerges from closed beta, it will be even more awesome.
These apps probably shouldn't even be compared as they are meant to do different things, different ways. Each works for what they were designed for. Neither is perfect. In my case, both were very easy to setup. Any difficulties I had were caused by my own firewall setup. Neither were expensive IMO.
Has anyone figured out how to connect using mycloud when you are away from home? I've tried port forwarding and the portchecker from portforward.com verifies that my ports are open and are forwarded properly but I still can't seem to connect using my modem's WAN ip.
My modem/router model is smc d3gn and I am connecting directly to it with my computer.
I've also tried using the modem's built in vpn function and I can connect to the vpn (accessing the router setup page from my tablet shows me logged in with a pptp ip so I know that I'm connected but splashtop still refuses to connect.)
Hope someone can figure this out soon... I've tried the experimental locator thing using my gmail account but I'm not sure if it does anything.
Can the Surface RT USB tether to smartphones? I have an older LG P990. When I tethered to my normal PC it had to first quickly install AndroidNET or whatever. That makes me think that it won't work on the RT.
I need to be able to tether, I could just go the route of a mobile hotspot, but I don't like the idea of every single Chinese person on the train trying to steal my wifi. They are pros at stealing wifi in this country.
I heard you can tether using bluetooth. Is that possible on the Surface RT?
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I tether to Surface from my Galaxy Nexus over bluetooth. It disconnects all the time without any reason but haven't been able to figure out why. With BT I can enable it on phone and it shouldn't eat battery like having wifi hotspot all the time active. I just open the BT PAN from Surface with 2 button presses and it opens in 1 sec. Only if the disconnect issue could be solved...
A few points, for the record:
1: Windows RT *probably* supports USB modems, which is how most wired tethering is done (the phone presents itself to the PC as a USB modem). I haven't tried, though.
2: Unless you use a crappy password - and really, why would you; it's not like you'll need to remember it at any time that you can't access it - WPA2-PSK is effectively unbreakable.
3: Don't be sure that Bluetooth is that much more secure. It is shorter range and lower power, though... but it's also lower bandwidth. A decent cellphone connection (3G, not even terribly good 3G) will saturate it.
Thanks, I will try it and see how it goes. Otherwise I will use Wifi, have no choice. Wifi gets stolen here all the time, even with that kind of setup.
Thank you
I have all kinds of computers tablets and gadgets. I have had no problems connecting to my wireless network until the Microsoft Surface came along. My router is the Motorola NVG 510. It doesn't have many settings that can be changed. I am using WPA2 Personal AES and a password. The only way I can Connect My Surface to this network is to turn off encryption. l had the same problem with the Surface RT. .
Tried for 24 hours now to connect... AT & T Says the problem is Microsoft related and Microsoft blames AT & T . l GIVE UP!!. Returning the Surface and going to keep my Samsung Slate 7 . . . has Windows8- WiFi and 3G. . .
how the hell do AT&T come into your wireless settings?
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how the hell do AT&T come into your wireless settings?
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It is AT&T's router. I have Uverse and this is the one they gave us.Motorola should be who i call if anyone but the problem is Microsoft's ..All others have no problem connecting
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I have all kinds of computers tablets and gadgets. I have had no problems connecting to my wireless network until the Microsoft Surface came along. My router is the Motorola NVG 510. It doesn't have many settings that can be changed. I am using WPA2 Personal AES and a password. The only way I can Connect My Surface to this network is to turn off encryption. l had the same problem with the Surface RT. .
Tried for 24 hours now to connect... AT & T Says the problem is Microsoft related and Microsoft blames AT & T . l GIVE UP!!. Returning the Surface and going to keep my Samsung Slate 7 . . . has Windows8- WiFi and 3G. . .
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Never had an issue with any form of encryption with the Surface RT - it's got the standard windows 8 wifi stack and connects to anything I throw at it, including WPA2/AES.
Not sure why you're having an issue, but you haven't given us much to go on for troubleshooting.
And getting a real router isn't possible?
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And getting a real router isn't possible?
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Apparently this (MOTOROLA NVG510) router is the only one I can use in my area with U-Verse.
Thats bull. Is it a combo router/modem? If so you should still be able to hook up a wireless router off of that if it has at least one ethernet port.
see thats what BT claimed when they installed BT infinity at my grandparents but we dont have the stock router running off of it
Thanks for the suggestions. I returned the Surface. I don't know enough about routers and modems to install anything else or even how to buy something else. On the other hand. Annoys me that every gadget I own (and there are many) connects with no problem EXCEPT the surface.
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Your router is old. Something is probably interfering with the Surface Pro's connectivity. Your SP's wifi card isn't busted if it can connect without encryption. It shouldn't have a problem. I'd suggest ditching the modem's wifi and buying a router and using that instead for wifi and leave the modem alone.
99% sure it's a setting in your router that's causing you to not be able to connect a new device through wifi.
First port of call when having wifi issues is to remove all encryption/security settings and have it as a fully open network, if that works then slowly add security/encryption until you find out where it falls over, worse case scenario is a network that appears to be open but uses MAC address filtering to keep people out.
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First port of call when having wifi issues is to remove all encryption/security settings and have it as a fully open network, if that works then slowly add security/encryption until you find out where it falls over, worse case scenario is a network that appears to be open but uses MAC address filtering to keep people out.
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the problem was for sure the modem. There are no settings to tweak... It's gotta be the worst modem on the planet-but then U.verse doesn't feel any faster than my old ATT DSL connection. I asked to have my DSL back and ATT said that was not an option. ATT told me this modern is the only one for my area. Maybe it is time I looked into Brighthouse. I am sure there is a way around that modem but in my frustration I returned the Surface. Very sure I will buy another Surface . . I still have my Samsung Slate 7 with Windows 8... Another plus is it has a 3G connection. the more I use Windows 8 the more I like it, wish the Slate was a bit smaller.
Wireless encryption is done router side rather than modem side. You can use the ISP's modem and the connect it to an aftermarket router without issue. Its impossible for the ISP to prevent that. If its a combo modem and router then it is still possible to do.
All routers must have settings, unless you mean it has limited settings.
I've lucked out personally. My ISP's free router isn't the best on the planet but as a freeby is great. Full range of settings. Its a combo modem/router in one but I haven't had issues with that and it is perfectly happy for me to plug other routers into it (which I did once as an ethernet extension cable of sorts, otherwise my other routers are inferior) or according to a friend who used to be on the same ISP it quite happily connects to other modens and acts as a router perfectly fine still.
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Wireless encryption is done router side rather than modem side. You can use the ISP's modem and the connect it to an aftermarket router without issue. Its impossible for the ISP to prevent that. If its a combo modem and router then it is still possible to do.
All routers must have settings, unless you mean it has limited settings.
I've lucked out personally. My ISP's free router isn't the best on the planet but as a freeby is great. Full range of settings. Its a combo modem/router in one but I haven't had issues with that and it is perfectly happy for me to plug other routers into it (which I did once as an ethernet extension cable of sorts, otherwise my other routers are inferior) or according to a friend who used to be on the same ISP it quite happily connects to other modens and acts as a router perfectly fine still.
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We already tried to tell him that and he wouldnt listen.
>We already tried to tell him that and he wouldnt listen.
OP's name is Diane.
Secondly, as posted in the OP, the device is a Motorola NVG 510. A 10-second lookup would show that it's a combined ADSL2+router, and it's not a simple matter of swapping out a router. Combined-function devices are SOP for leased models, since it saves the company money over having two boxes.
http://google.com/search?q=Motorola+NVG+510
It's a Surface problem. The user shouldn't be expected to mess with things like router settings and learn to be a geek. The device in question is obviously in popular use, and it's up to MS to get it right. The OP did the correct thing in returning the Surface.
However, for those with more tech savvy, the above search produces this help page for the modem+router,
http://www.ron-berman.com/2011/11/24/motorola-nvg510-help-page-for-att-u-verse-users/
which has both the manual and more importantly, a FAQ to troubleshoot connection issues, and links to more appropriate forums to ask further questions on this particular topic.
As I said, even on a combo unit you can use a different router. As long as the new router can recieve internet from any other device via ethernet all you do is connect it to the ISPs router. It will then share that connection. Yes your ISP's router will still be broadcasting but so will the new 3rd party one, you just connect to that. This is a configuration I have tested with a BT homehub and some ****ty Netgear.
To access the new routers settings, unplug it from the ISPs router first and then access the settings in the normal way. or if you can find the new local IP for the additional router you can use that.
>As I said, even on a combo unit you can use a different router. As long as the new router can recieve internet from any other device via ethernet all you do is connect it to the ISPs router. It will then share that connection.
Either the new router has to be reconfig'ed into an AP, or the old router needs to be disabled. Can't have both routers active. Likewise, the old wifi needs to be disabled, or the new one reconfigured that they don't conflict. Regardless, it's not plug and play. Either or both units would need configuration.
The household Internet router is the single most critical piece of equipment there is, because if the user messes up, s/he loses Internet access ENTIRELY and access to any further help. Without local help, that may mean several days' downtime and an expensive bill for onsite repair. I would NEVER, EVER tell a non-tech user to reconfigure his/her router, especially when the person said "I don't know enough about routers and modems to install anything else or even how to buy something else."
Everyone here has good intentions and want to help. Then, the first thing to helping is to listen to what is said, and gauge the person's comfort level with tech. No one even bothered to check up on the OP's router model.
The OP has a stable, working setup. Anything that jeopardizes that setup is bad advice, not unless you are willing to foot the onsite service cost for the person. The preferred solution is to remove the known-problem component, which in this case is the Surface.
PS: A long shot is to go into the Surface's Device Manager, select the Properties tab of the wifi card, and muck around with the advanced settings (if there are any).
You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
That said, if you wanted port forwarding and such to work smoothly, it *would* be best to turn off DHCP and NAT on the inner router. However, that's not necessary to simply get Internet access via the router.
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You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
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Which is precisely what I originally said.
I have daisy chained a cheap as **** netgear router to my BT homehub without any setting changes at all. I was actually using it as an ethernet extension cable pretty much, I didnt have a single cable long enough so I plugged one between the homehub/main router and the netgear and one between the netgear and a raspberry pi. Would you look at that, my laptop can connect to the netgear and get internet access from it, the pi also connects via its ethernet port perfectly.
My grandparents use a set of homeplugs, how do they connect? daisy chaining.
One of my mates has 3 ethernet devices in one room but only one LAN port drilled into the wall (he had an electrician out once to actually have LAN sockets fitted in a few rooms). Solution: cheap wireless router connected to the LAN port in the wall. Other devices connected to the router. Router had 6 ports so he still has 2 left over. Devices connect to it fine. Originally it was default settings but he has since gone and disabled the routers wifi as he doesnt use it.
That said. I came across a linksys unit once which refused to be used as an access point of any kind. But that was only once.
>You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
Having nested routers (ie segmenting the network) is a prescription for myriad network problems in the hands of a non-tech user. Again, listen to what the OP said, rather than assume everyone is a geek who knows what DHCP and NAT means, let alone how to change them.
Even if the OP can get the new router configured and running properly, the potential for problem remains. When ISP service goes down, the ISP tech will remote troubleshoot the leased equipment (the old router), since that's the ISP's responsibility. With user equipment attached, troubleshooting responsibility passes on to the user, which the OP has stated in no uncertain terms that she's not capable of.
The point isn't to get Internet access. The OP already has Internet access. The point is to get the Surface to connect to the network, but NOT AT THE EXPENSE of adding networking complications that the OP can't handle.
>I have daisy chained...
This suffices for simple Internet access, until you run into programs or devices that break because of the multiple redirections. I doubt UPNP/DLNA works on nested NATs. Ditto discovery. Devices/periphs on one network segment won't be able to connect to those on another segment.
The wifi will work, but given that most 2.4GHz wifi default to channel 1 or 6, it will likely conflict with the old wifi and work POORLY when both are active.
Hi All,
At this point, I'm just brainstorming, and would like some input. (I hope this thread is in the right place)
I'm trying to find a setup to connect to free wifi hotspots that are far away, and share that connection to a group of devices locally. For example, this solution may be useful in a boat or an RV, when you're not particularly close to a free access point.
There are commercial solutions like the Rogue Wave however, this doesn't do anything to authenticate through the Terms of Service (TOS) pages that are frequently used at free access points.
This is what brings me to using Android. There are Android apps which automate the process of accepting the terms of service. My favorite right now is WebWifiLogin (I'm familiar with the security risks involved in using public wifi; and may also have the Android device to also establish a VPN connection when doing this.) (I can't find an equivalent macro-authentication solution that will run on a PC, which would make this much easier.)
So here's my proposed solution:
1. Start with a powerful omnidirectional wifi antenna (Possibly add an in-line amp if needed. Also perhaps a directional antenna may be better for non-mobile use.)
2. Connect the antenna to any Android device that supports an external Wifi antenna. I found several Android TV devices which should work. Like This, or possibly this.
3. Set up some kind of local access point/bridge. One option may be to use fqrouter2 which supposedly uses the same Wifi radio for the local WLAN, while it also connects to the remote one. Another option may be to USB or Ethernet tether to a DD-WRT Router.
Result:
The Android device has a range to connect to a free hotspot up to a mile or two away, then automatically accepts the TOS using the WebWifiLogin app, and shares that connection locally to a handful of devices.
So am I crazy? Is this too complex to work correctly? Is there a simpler solution that I'm missing?
Can anyone confirm whether I've posted this in the correct sub-forum?
Thanks.
I use a slightly different method which yields the same results.
I have a Linksys WRT54GL router (with high gain antennas) which runs DD-WRT and a script called AutoAP. The script scans for unencrypted WIFI access points, makes sure they're live, and automatically connects to the strongest one in range.
I set up a second WPA2 encrypted WIFI SSID in the router which I connect to with my Android tablet. Once WebWifiLogin on the tablet handles the TOS login, the remote access point allows web access for any device that connects to the WRT54GL router (either by WIFI to the secondary SSID or through one of the ports)! This happens because the remote access point usually checks/remembers TOS acceptance by the MAC address of the connected device. Since it only sees the MAC address of my router, anything behind the router now gets access.
ssenemosewa said:
Once WebWifiLogin on the tablet handles the TOS login, the remote access point allows web access for any device that connects to the WRT54GL router
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This is great information; thanks!
I would not have thought WebWifiLogin would work when connecting through another router. When WebWifiLogin is running, its status says "Listening for WiFi events" (Or something similar) so I was under the impression that WebWifiLogin would only work if the connection to the AP is made directly by the Android WiFi interface, and not through a intermediary router.
This makes things much easier.