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This totally defeats the notion that buying a Nexus will get you all the latest and greatest features first. I have a T-Mobile Nexus S and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes 5 months for it to get Google Wallet, despite the technology being exactly the same. Why does Google do this? I was so excited about using NFC too.
1. NFC is a drain on the battery, so I won't be using it anytime soon.
2. I'm not really sure why Sprint Nexus S gets it first. Why does Google do stuff like this? Both of the models are NFC enabled. There shouldn't be any reason to limit it like that. I guess it's their MO.
Sprint is a official partner. MasterCard and citi are other partners. That's why. If Google wallet gains traction you'll see it elsewhere.
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This totally defeats the notion that buying a Nexus will get you all the latest and greatest features first. I have a T-Mobile Nexus S and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes 5 months for it to get Google Wallet, despite the technology being exactly the same. Why does Google do this? I was so excited about using NFC too.
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The GSM version of the Samsung Nexus S may receive access to the just-announced Google Wallet service, but Google will work with T-Mobile to bring the service to market for that phone, according to Google VP of Payments Osama Bedier. Mr. Bedier ruled out circumventing carriers like T-Mobile in bringing Google Wallet - and compatible phones - to market. The GSM Nexus S has the same NFC chip required for Google Wallet as the Nexus S 4G that the service is being trialled with today. Google expressed optimism that more carriers would support Google Wallet soon, and that many more phones would include the necessary NFC chip going forward.
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Voice it to T-Mo if you want it to get done. It seems like Google does, they need to get T-Mobile on board though.
Why does a Telecom have tobe. Involved
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T-Mobile is a member of ISIS, along with AT&T and Verizon, which is a competing mobile payment platform to Google Wallet. I would not be surprised if Google Wallet works on ALL Nexus S phones, they may just not be able to announce it on T-Mobile, either because of T-Mobile's involvement with ISIS, or because Sprint is a partner in Google Wallet. Either way, sounds more like marketing to me than a technology limit.
couldnt someone just get the app and share it with the rest of us?
im sure the tmo-Isis partnership has something to do with it. but i also bet that all nexus phones will get it eventually, but since sprint/google wallet is official, theyre not gonna announce anything else.
Odd that Google checkout was not an option to use for paying. My debt and credit card are visa
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Odd that Google checkout was not an option to use for paying. My debt and credit card are visa
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That's what the prepaid Google card is for. I suspect it will be reloadable with that Visa you have...
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That's what the prepaid Google card is for. I suspect it will be reloadable with that Visa you have...
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Maybeit would work like PayPal, how PayPal will pull the funds from my bank account I hope
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T-Mobile has to approve Google wallet
http://androidcommunity.com/origina...ogle-wallet-until-t-mobile-approves-20110526/
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Maybeit would work like PayPal, how PayPal will pull the funds from my bank account I hope
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The interface demo'd today showed all the interface for inputting all of your CC info (Number, expiry, Name, Billing Address).
Im not really sure what role the carrier plays in the actual transmission of the data. Also, the GSM version of Nexus S is not T-Mobile branded unlike the Sprint Nexus S.
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1. NFC is a drain on the battery, so I won't be using it anytime soon.
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No it's not. It made a 1% difference in my battery life after leaving my Nexus S running with full brightness, screen on and an app I wrote with a full wake lock for a few hours. 1% in 4 hours, that's not battery drain.
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No it's not. It made a 1% difference in my battery life after leaving my Nexus S running with full brightness, screen on and an app I wrote with a full wake lock for a few hours. 1% in 4 hours, that's not battery drain.
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ya i dont know what that kid is talkin about but it litteraly comes automatically enabled when u buy ur phone lol but yes its like 1% battery
Nfc is also off when screen is off
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I was losing at least 7-8% a day with it on. I already hate the battery life on Android devices in general, so I turned it off to get as much as I can.
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Im not really sure what role the carrier plays in the actual transmission of the data. Also, the GSM version of Nexus S is not T-Mobile branded unlike the Sprint Nexus S.
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The carrier doesn't play any role. In fact, Google Wallet payments work without any data connection at all.
Does anyone have or use Google Wallet yet? Anyone know where to get the app, and how to register for it?
I've been lurking around the NS forums for a while and I'm surprised that no one is talking about this.
This function has tipped me over into buying an NS. I should be getting it in the mail this week (i9020a) and I can't wait until I can use this feature.
Article seems to make a good case:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Google-Could-Get-a-Chance-to-Buy-TMobile-After-It-Closes-Motorola-Deal-220504/
Umm...yeah...too late on that one, AT&T is in the process right now of buying tmobile. They made an offer and tmobile accepted it. It's going through federal review now and the deal WILL be approved by the feds.
That would be awesome ! I hope it works out !
I already seen a att/t-mobile commercial the other night on the tv. I just wonder if their gonna jack up our bills I switched from the big V for a cheaper bill
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I already seen a att/t-mobile commercial the other night on the tv. I just wonder if their gonna jack up our bills I switched from the big V for a cheaper bill
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Same here I don't like at&t and it looks like tmobile is converting to at&t in a sneaky way like there gona start charging if you go over your "unlimited" throttled 2gs of data just like at&t is doing. (dont worry we will be in the grandfather plans but watch out wen you do uprgrades & so on..
My advice is get on a 2 year with t-mobile now so they cant jack the price up on you when they merge. We have a long while before this fully happens tho.
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I wish it was Google, but unfortunately it's big wig at&t!
Look at Google to purchase sprint as the attmob merger will devalue sprint. Which Google will scoop up for a value. The sprint google intergration is not without any coincidence just wait till next year you will see. Sprint sits on a lot of spectrum and with LTE and Wimax their footprint will be one of a kind in the US. Yes Google is a global company but sprint would be a stepping stone to bigger things. Sprint cannot survive on its own.
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It's too late I think. It sucks cause it would have been awesome.
I wish this was true, Google, Google Voice, T-Mobile sounds great... too bad its not going to happen. AT&T is already too far through with buying T-Mobile
Unless Google manages to buy AT&T ... which would be even better but never going to happen
i would hope google says they would pay more $! and att backs off.
i hate att
I'm not from the US, so apologies if I get some of this post confused
Am I right in saying that Google Voice (that we don't have in Britain, sadly) and Sprint are in a partnership? Would this mean that Google are *more* likely to team up or buy Sprint fully, than to buy T-Mobile US?
Fan speculation and fan hope here
The way I see it, Google could become what I call a 'digital carrier', making their own devices and carrying them on their own carrier. I see Google Voice as the first step of this. They'd be the first 'carrier' to go the world over and if they get it right, could completely dominate the information, mobile, and computing (with ChromeOS) space.
Think about it: how a carrier works hasn't changed since mobiles were introduced, really. They've always been the same. With Google Voice, Google have the possibility to change that and make themselves a carrier (possibly with Sprint's help) and carry their own devices, made by Motorola. This would enable them to update the devices (all running stock Android, or maybe different interfaces depending on high up the device is) all at the same time, wirelessly, and get fragmentation (which exists, however many times we say it doesn't) down to an absolute minimum. They could also manage the device's hardware easier, using one chip/SoC for one generation of phone, optimizing the OS for that chip. i.e. NVidia Tegra, a TI chip, or a Qualcomm chip.
Thoughts on this...?
According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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This is correct.
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According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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You have a link to that regulation? I presume that came into effect some time after Ma Bell used to make and sell telephones.
I trust you, I just like to verify.
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I trust you, I just like to verify.
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Umm...yeah...too late on that one, AT&T is in the process right now of buying tmobile. They made an offer and tmobile accepted it. It's going through federal review now and the deal WILL be approved by the feds.
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You can't say for sure. AT&T has been on the hot seat with the FCC before. Look at when they made them split. They are slowly trying to build up the monopoly again. I honestly don't think the deal would go through. There is too much opposition, including state governments. Plus their legal team made a big no no and accidentally submitted some paperwork to the FCC that hurt their argument.
the merge with AT&T is under review by the FCC. we all know this. It must pass the FCC's examination to ensure things like antitrust, monopoly etc don't occur as a result of the merge... basically to say that all things merger specific are legal.
It's looking like it will be and the merge will go through, but there's always a chance that something (i'm still praying for it) will stop the merge. in that case, then google can offer to buy and in that case an FCC approval doesn't seem to be required since google is not a communications company like AT&T. I just got laid off in a merger just like that between two smaller Cell phone companies... I've renewed a 2 year contract to avoid AT&T screwing me if/when they merge...
I've purposely avoided AT&T for all these years only to find myself faced with being their customer after all. it blows. I prefer google.
A&TT is bad imo. They already capping the 150GB on DSL. Who knows what they will do next.
G-Mobile? LOL
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Pressure is added on Google to give us a way into google wallet as target, walmart and others setup thier own NFC solutions
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/27/...d-and-citigroup-for-nfc-payment-demo/?m=false
This follows paypal, ebay and opera launching their NFC stuff
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This has been brought up time and time again. I realize retailers are getting on board and that will help but until att gets it together and gets the secure sim or whatever it is we will not having a working google wallet
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Fear of competition is exactly what is needed to push AT&T & google into action.
Our conveinace doesn't have a slot in at&t's spreadsheets. Google can't really do a thing on this subject W/O AT&T agreeing and cooperating.
I have recently got the HTC One X which has NFC, I was refusing to get a phone without NFC but I have worked out in the UK it is useless. There are many NFC enabled payment terminals all over the country, every Gregs has one also Mcdonalds and many other shops, however there are no apps to utilise this technology. In the US they have Google Wallet, in sweeden (I think) they have pay-pal but we have nothing in the UK.
Does anyone know of any NFC enabled payment apps that will work on the three network in the UK on an unrooted phone?
I am getting really annoyed with the slowness of technology in the UK, there is no 4G, the underground has not made an NFC oyster card app and banks are not incorporating NFC into their apps either unlike a lot of others around the world.
What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
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I have recently got the HTC One X which has NFC, I was refusing to get a phone without NFC but I have worked out in the UK it is useless. There are many NFC enabled payment terminals all over the country, every Gregs has one also Mcdonalds and many other shops, however there are no apps to utilise this technology. In the US they have Google Wallet, in sweeden (I think) they have pay-pal but we have nothing in the UK.
Does anyone know of any NFC enabled payment apps that will work on the three network in the UK on an unrooted phone?
I am getting really annoyed with the slowness of technology in the UK, there is no 4G, the underground has not made an NFC oyster card app and banks are not incorporating NFC into their apps either unlike a lot of others around the world.
What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
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It's incredibly annoying. But I've been using Google Wallet for the past few months at McDonalds and Greggs. I used the initial $10 and then got my friend to purchase a $100 prepaid mastercard fro me in the US.
Orange say they'll be releasing their Quick Tap application to Android users with NFC phones some time soon, but I'm not sure about exactly how it will work. If it's going to use the built-in Secure Element, they'll have to get permission and secret codes from Google/HTC first. If it's going to use the SIM card as the secure element, then it will probably only work with Orange SIMs, which sucks.
Furthermore, I'm not even sure if they'll support the One X - it isn't supported with Google Wallet afterall.
I use a Galaxy Nexus and I worry that Quick Tap won't be supported, as I'm pretty sure they'll be using the SIM as the secure element, but I'm not sure if the Nexus actually has that functionality. We should know within about a month.
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It's incredibly annoying. But I've been using Google Wallet for the past few months at McDonalds and Greggs. I used the initial $10 and then got my friend to purchase a $100 prepaid mastercard fro me in the US.
Orange say they'll be releasing their Quick Tap application to Android users with NFC phones some time soon, but I'm not sure about exactly how it will work. If it's going to use the built-in Secure Element, they'll have to get permission and secret codes from Google/HTC first. If it's going to use the SIM card as the secure element, then it will probably only work with Orange SIMs, which sucks.
Furthermore, I'm not even sure if they'll support the One X - it isn't supported with Google Wallet afterall.
I use a Galaxy Nexus and I worry that Quick Tap won't be supported, as I'm pretty sure they'll be using the SIM as the secure element, but I'm not sure if the Nexus actually has that functionality. We should know within about a month.
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I think google have been very slack with their wallet app and will not reach the desired market by keeping it to one or two phones. There are loads of NFC enabled phones out there running on android and they need to sort them selves out.
I think the ONE X will be capable of running the google wallet if I could get it in this country without rooting.
I am hoping HTC will be able to see a market for this and create an app in the HTC hub, or it would be handy if mastercard or visa would make an app for everyone to use. I saw a visa advert the other day that was suggesting it could be used on samsung phones but I have seen no further explanations.
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Don't get me started....
I'm hopeful that with the Olympics this year we will see a proper push for NFC payment to become widely available; there's the beginning of an infrastructure in place and numerous trials are underway or completing (O2, Barclaycard & Orange, etc).
Personally I'm hoping that Barclays move their Pingit app towards an NFC facility.
As far as what's available today in the UK, only the mini 'stick on' NFC credit card from Barclaycard - sucks really.
Yeah I would happily move banks to Barclays if I could use the ping it app with NFC, there was loads of articles around Christmas time saying google wallet was coming to the UK for the Olympics but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Yeah I would happily move banks to Barclays if I could use the ping it app with NFC, there was loads of articles around Christmas time saying google wallet was coming to the UK for the Olympics but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Me neither lol. Small comfort, but Pingit as is is now available to anyone with a uk bank account or building society account.
its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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Annoying no! This country really annoys me when it comes to the uptake of technology, it is nearly a year since Visa did the samsung s3 trail with the PayWave app at the Olympics and still nothing from them.
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its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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Only Orange's Quick Tap which is very limited availability. I seem to see NFC capable terminals everywhere nowadays too.
Hello everyone.
i just got my s3 and i am in love with it. the only thing i hate is paying 100 a month for sprint service. i have the s2 also from sprint but its flashed to verizon and want to do the same with my s3. can someone please give me sum info or a place that has step by step instruction for noobs plus what software to use and where to get it.
please im broke and i want to do this b4 my next sprint bill comes in. ty all
First of all, I'm not sure if what you're asking is legal since you're likely going to be cheating Verizon out of money on their plan for the S3. Besides that, AFAIK QPST for the US GS3 isn't working yet, and that is a necessity for flashing to other carriers.
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I have the Samsung s3 t-mobile and Im able to connect and read the phone using cdma workshop .... I'm sure this phone is possible
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OP is referring to esn cloning, which is illegal and barred from discussion here on these boards.
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OP is referring to esn cloning, which is illegal and barred from discussion here on these boards.
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Flashing is not illegal ... he means over to pageplus
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OP is referring to esn cloning, which is illegal and barred from discussion here on these boards.
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You are so lame.
To be honest, I don't quite understand why a person cannot use his/her phone, which they bought for $600 outright, on a network of their choice.
You can do that with GSM phones. Why not with CDMA?
rdwing is right. Although the FCC law is vague when it comes to what exactly “ESN cloning" is and what sort of flashing is illegal, it IS illegal to flash to Verizon and not pay for the plan you should be paying for; for example, paying for a non-data plan but using the GS3 on that plan. That is absolutely fraud and is prohibited from discussion here.
IMHO I don't believe flashing to a carrier such as Virgin Mobile, which allows you to use any plan for any phone, is wrong or illegal. However, Verizon's large number of plans for specific types of phones makes it impossible for us to know whether or not you'll be using the phone on the proper plan.
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rdwing is right. Although the FCC law is vague when it comes to what exactly “ESN cloning" is and what sort of flashing is illegal, it IS illegal to flash to Verizon and not pay for the plan you should be paying for; for example, paying for a non-data plan but using the GS3 on that plan. That is absolutely fraud and is prohibited from discussion here.
IMHO I don't believe flashing to a carrier such as Virgin Mobile, which allows you to use any plan for any phone, is wrong or illegal. However, Verizon's large number of plans for specific types of phones makes it impossible for us to know whether or not you'll be using the phone on the proper plan.
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O'RLY? because here is a thread explicitly coaching members on how to misrepresent their smartphones as dumbphones and rape the ATT data plan that is specifically meant for non-smartphones, even though the ATT ToS calls out SIM swapping specifically. It has been allowed to prosper despite being brought to their attention because "if ATT didn't want people using the loophole they would close it" I was told. I suppose it's a fine line they have to walk, to allow or not, what's technically legal or illegal.....but I get the feeling that the admins turn a blind eye to activities as long as they are crimes against a large corporation, but if you were to do the same thing to an individual developer they would be all over it.
Hey, I'm all for getting the most for my money, but I try not to condone intentionally screwing them over even if they are a huge corporation. Admittedly it's not always easy to ride that line.....but I personally think there is something about taking advantage and being opportunistic that lends itself to expose the real moral compass of people. Most people who would make good life decisions won't intentionally go out of their way to screw anyone, company or not. Not all, but most I think. It just reflects poorly on people that do such things. We all struggle with easy opportunities.
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O'RLY? because here is a thread explicitly coaching members on how to misrepresent their smartphones as dumbphones and rape the ATT data plan that is specifically meant for non-smartphones, even though the ATT ToS calls out SIM swapping specifically. It has been allowed to prosper despite being brought to their attention because "if ATT didn't want people using the loophole they would close it" I was told. I suppose it's a fine line they have to walk, to allow or not, what's technically legal or illegal.....but I get the feeling that the admins turn a blind eye to activities as long as they are crimes against a large corporation, but if you were to do the same thing to an individual developer they would be all over it.
Hey, I'm all for getting the most for my money, but I try not to condone intentionally screwing them over even if they are a huge corporation. Admittedly it's not always easy to ride that line.....but I personally think there is something about taking advantage and being opportunistic that lends itself to expose the real moral compass of people. Most people who would make good life decisions won't intentionally go out of their way to screw anyone, company or not. Not all, but most I think. It just reflects poorly on people that do such things. We all struggle with easy opportunities.
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That's exactly what I'm saying, the smartphone plans for companies like Virgin Mobile or Boost Mobile are universal across all smartphones, making it impossible (AFAIK) to actually “cheat" the carrier out of money. I am also aware that Virgin Mobile DOES prohibit other carriers' phones in their ToS, however breaching a non-contact ToS is not illegal, it's only a way for a company to deny you service if you beach it. I'm not so sure about contact carriers like Verizon or AT&T, though...
I don't believe any of these companies deserve to be cheated out of money, I was just pointing out the fact that it is wrong to pay for a cheaper plan than what you should actually be paying for on that carrier and I was saying that the issue is non-existent on VM.
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Only way it will happen is the phone IMEI has to be activated on Verizons network. You can call them and ask them to activate the phone on the network. They may say yes but will most likely say no.
As for the rest of the talks. Using an international version of a phone will come across on the US networks as unknown. This has been the case for a while but soon will be stopping as the carriers are starting to work together to prevent non network phones on their plans.
IMEI changing is illegal and will not be talked about.
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Only way it will happen is the phone IMEI has to be activated on Verizons network. You can call them and ask them to activate the phone on the network. They may say yes but will most likely say no.
As for the rest of the talks. Using an international version of a phone will come across on the US networks as unknown. This has been the case for a while but soon will be stopping as the carriers are starting to work together to prevent non network phones on their plans.
IMEI changing is illegal and will not be talked about.
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CDMA providers don't use IMEI; Verizon and Sprint only use it for LTE (a GSM technology), and considering that the OP would not be able to use the LTE anyway because Sprint and Verizon use different LTE bands, this seems a non-issue (as he would not need to change his IMEI).
He would, however, need to change his ESN, and as I stated earlier, the legality of it is questionable but unlikely if he is switching his phone to Verizon.
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CDMA providers don't use IMEI; Verizon and Sprint only use it for LTE (a GSM technology), and considering that the OP would not be able to use the LTE anyway because Sprint and Verizon use different LTE bands, this seems a non-issue (as he would not need to change his IMEI).
He would, however, need to change his ESN, and as I stated earlier, the legality of it is questionable but unlikely if he is switching his phone to Verizon.
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right, how is this any different than changing the SIM card and activating it on a network that is explicitly excluded from that use per the ToS? IMEI, ESN, or SIM......it's all semantics......if misrepresenting one is not ok, the others cannot be either as the end product is the same
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CDMA providers don't use IMEI; Verizon and Sprint only use it for LTE (a GSM technology), and considering that the OP would not be able to use the LTE anyway because Sprint and Verizon use different LTE bands, this seems a non-issue (as he would not need to change his IMEI).
He would, however, need to change his ESN, and as I stated earlier, the legality of it is questionable but unlikely if he is switching his phone to Verizon.
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right, how is this any different than changing the SIM card and activating it on a network that is explicitly excluded from that use per the ToS? IMEI, ESN, or SIM......it's all semantics......if misrepresenting one is not ok, the others cannot be either as the end product is the same
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I agree, but I'm saying that if the OP would like to change his phone to Verizon then that's his choice; he takes on the risk of being caught, the knowledge that what he's doing is potentially illegal, and knowing that he is acting immorally. I don't agree with what the OP is doing and I won't provide help.
And the point about the ToS that I was saying was that it's one thing to breach a ToS, but it's a very different thing to breach a contact. Breaching a non-contact ToS is not necessarily immoral because the only agreement you make with the carrier is that you understand that they can deny you service if you breach their ToS.
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I agree, but I'm saying that if the OP would like to change his phone to Verizon then that's his choice; he takes on the risk of being caught, the knowledge that what he's doing is potentially illegal, and knowing that he is acting immorally. I don't agree with what the OP is doing and I won't provide help.
And the point about the ToS that I was saying was that it's one thing to breach a ToS, but it's a very different thing to breach a contact. Breaching a non-contact ToS is not necessarily immoral because the only agreement you make with the carrier is that you understand that they can deny you service if you breach their ToS.
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I agree, but I'm saying that if the OP would like to change his phone to Verizon then that's his choice; he takes on the risk of being caught, the knowledge that what he's doing is potentially illegal, and knowing that he is acting immorally. I don't agree with what the OP is doing and I won't provide help.
And the point about the ToS that I was saying was that it's one thing to breach a ToS, but it's a very different thing to breach a contact. Breaching a non-contact ToS is not necessarily immoral because the only agreement you make with the carrier is that you understand that they can deny you service if you breach their ToS.
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see i disagree on that last part....it's their network, not your's or anyone else's, it belongs to ATT for instance, and access to that network is not an entitlement in which one can choose to follow the rules or not at a whim......by using the network you accept the ToS by default...so accessing that network by misrepresenting and explicitly breaking the ToS is pretty cut and dry.......it's just wrong. Choosing to do the wrong thing is immoral if you will. Not that it's fair to equate cell service with morality and life.....but at the root of it, people who choose to be opportunistic will many times choose to do the same in other aspects of life......
this thread isn't about morality so i digress........but there is really no way to justify the breaking of the ToS when one is on their network to begin with in my opinion
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see i disagree on that last part....it's their network, not your's or anyone else's, it belongs to ATT for instance, and access to that network is not an entitlement in which one can choose to follow the rules or not at a whim......by using the network you accept the ToS by default...so accessing that network by misrepresenting and explicitly breaking the ToS is pretty cut and dry.......it's just wrong. Choosing to do the wrong thing is immoral if you will. Not that it's fair to equate cell service with morality and life.....but at the root of it, people who choose to be opportunistic will many times choose to do the same in other aspects of life......
this thread isn't about morality so i digress........but there is really no way to justify the breaking of the ToS when one is on their network to begin with in my opinion
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I know, but by agreeing to only a ToS (VM, Boost, etc) you are allowed to use their network with the knowledge that you can be denied service if you choose to breach those terms and the carrier decides to terminate your service.
A contact on the other hand (Verizon, etc) is a binding agreement in which you basically promise that you will abide by the terms set forth in the contact and therefore MUST abide.
I can see we're getting off topic but I can agree to disagree lol.
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elfhater said:
I know, but by agreeing to only a ToS (VM, Boost, etc) you are allowed to use their network with the knowledge that you can be denied service if you choose to breach those terms and the carrier decides to terminate your service.
A contact on the other hand (Verizon, etc) is a binding agreement in which you basically promise that you will abide by the terms set forth in the contact and therefore MUST abide.
I can see we're getting off topic but I can agree to disagree lol.
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no this is good stuff...
you do agree that they can boot you off, but before that you agree to use the service per the ToS in the first place, by simply connecting you agree to use it as they say......it doesn't say "go ahead and connect any way you like but we can disconnect you". It says in order to connect you have to agree to connect per the ToS.
So the first transgression is the act of connecting in a mischievous or by way of misrepresentation. At least from what I can see. Contract or not. The contract really has no bearing other than cost and features for the cost. You pay for a set of features for a price, they agree to give you those features for that length of time per the contract. This can exist separately from the actual act of connecting to the service.
nabbed said:
To be honest, I don't quite understand why a person cannot use his/her phone, which they bought for $600 outright, on a network of their choice.
You can do that with GSM phones. Why not with CDMA?
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because american companies are generally greedy just look at apple.
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no this is good stuff...
you do agree that they can boot you off, but before that you agree to use the service per the ToS in the first place, by simply connecting you agree to use it as they say......it doesn't say "go ahead and connect any way you like but we can disconnect you". It says in order to connect you have to agree to connect per the ToS.
So the first transgression is the act of connecting in a mischievous or by way of misrepresentation. At least from what I can see. Contract or not. The contract really has no bearing other than cost and features for the cost. You pay for a set of features for a price, they agree to give you those features for that length of time per the contract. This can exist separately from the actual act of connecting to the service.
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I see what you're saying, TBH I didn't consider that you were agreeing to abide by the terms in order to connect, as opposed to agreeing to the terms with the knowledge that you can be denied service once you breach those terms. Also I haven't read (for example's sake) VM's ToS in full, just the parts pertaining to using a phone from another carrier.
And with the contact, you are legally bound to abide by the terms set forth (I think that usually includes an agreement that you will abide by the ToS), whereas there is no legal agreement if you are only agreeing to a ToS. Whether it's morally wrong to break a ToS alone I can't really say, but if the carrier is not adversely affected in any way, shape, or form and the consumer can use a phone that he or she wants that that carrier may not offer, I don't really see a problem (as long as the consumer didn't sign a contract which involved promising to abide by the ToS).
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