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I would like to get some opinion from you guys....
I am a startup developing a new kind of mobile device that combines a phone and tablet - putting a 7" screen on a less than 5" phone body. (It is not like the Galaxy Note, where the size is fixed.)
SO when you just want to make calls, check SMS and emails, just use the "phone mode" with a 4"+ screen.
When you want to surf web, watch videos/photos, transform it into a 7"-screen tablet.
Now my question is about the potential market for this device, as it seems that no company is creating a device like this, I am worried if there's no market for it.
a) For those of you carrying two devices (a phone and a tablet), are you feeling a bit inconvenient, annd would you like to have this device?
b) For those of you carrying only a phone, would you like to have a bigger screen, perhaps 7", while retaining the same portability?
c) Would you still buy a 10" tablet after you have this device? (assuming you already have a laptop)
Your help will be very much appreciated!
the first thing that came to mind upon reading this post is the asus padfone.
i do carry the 2 devices (S2 + TF101), and IMO it isn't really a big inconvenience, thus i might not be that interested. Unless it comes with a unique feature / selling point?
cheers.
if the tablet could make calls and i could pair a Bluetooth headset to it, i would get it. maybe it would stop me from texting and driving if it was 10 inch
I see no market for it. Some will buy it for what it is but not enough to make profit or even break even. Try focussing resources on let's say the body of the Droid Razr with an edge to edge screen, custom ROM that gets rid of the touch buttons of the bottom of the device so that can be more room for screen. I would buy something like that.
Or how about a smart-watch that can sync with any tablet to become a secondary display.
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Didn't they already do this? And if I recall it kinda flopped... Not being negative, but I think people are used to carrying around a bunch of gadgets...
deliriume said:
the first thing that came to mind upon reading this post is the asus padfone.
i do carry the 2 devices (S2 + TF101), and IMO it isn't really a big inconvenience, thus i might not be that interested. Unless it comes with a unique feature / selling point?
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There are some aspects of Padfone that we don't think it will be a market success:
1. You still need to carry the 10" screen, and it is not as portable as a 4+" phone 2. When the phone is inside tablet, you'll need a headset to receive and make calls
Anyway our product is not in compete with padfone, although we have something in common - to combine devices from different categories. The key difference, besides the size, is that we emphasize on PORTABILITY; while they probably emphasize on versatile performance.
Our device is small and light and easily slip into pocket, yet comes with a beautiful 7" screen.
BTW, we think the combination of devices (our device + laptop/ultrabook) is more reasonable than (Padfone + laptop/ultrabook), because Padfone size is already very similar to laptop, and almost everyone already has a laptop.
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Didn't they already do this? And if I recall it kinda flopped... Not being negative, but I think people are used to carrying around a bunch of gadgets...
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Thanks for your feedback!
Do you mean Sony's Tablet P?
However, since there is a bezel between the two screens, it cannot be seen as a one screen tablet when unfolded. In fact this is one of the main reason why it gets poor reviews and market reactions (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-21/what-was-sony-thinking-with-tablet-p-rich-jaroslovsky.html). The bezel is simply annoying.
Our startup have found a way to remove the bezel.
Yes people now used to carry around many gadgets, because currently we have no choice
I love the idea of the padfone...4 inch phone during the day, 10 inch phone when at home.
If you have something to offer please let me know, as of know i am seriously looking at the padfone to be my next phone.
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I love the idea of the padfone!
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Maybe this one can be a good choice for you if you do not mind using big screen to make telephone calls.
http://www.tinydeal.com/7-pxp7fh-p-39587.html
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Tablet s Phone
I really dont understand why Tablets dont incorporate phones, I own a Dell Streak Mini 5, (best phone Ive ever owned) also a sony tablet s.
Both brilliant devices but most of the pros are duplicated by one or the other,
Dell streak, android device, good general purpose but screen too small for word processing or watching vids, not to mention the small onscreen keybord.
Tablet s, android device, good for all things android but no phone.
I dont follow the logic that there would be no market for a tablet device with a phone, I carry a phone and I carry a tablet I would far rather only carry one, i.e. the tablet with a phone in it, I use a blue tooth earpiece for all my phone/music/audio books so its not as if Ive got it stuck to my ear all the time, in fact the phone never comes out unless i want to use an app.
So the answer for me is a resounding YES device of that nature.
This is a great idea. Today's smartphones have all this horsepower but what good is it if the tiny screens make it a chore to get anything done. I'm having difficulty imagining how one would go about incorporating an additional big screen on a phone, but if you can do a clean job at it, I believe it will be success. By clean, I mean the screens should be good quality either glass or matte, not some flimsy folding ****.
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This is a great idea. Today's smartphones have all this horsepower but what good is it if the tiny screens make it a chore to get anything done. I'm having difficulty imagining how one would go about incorporating an additional big screen on a phone, but if you can do a clean job at it, I believe it will be success. By clean, I mean the screens should be good quality either glass or matte, not some flimsy folding ****.
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Yes we are not using folding screens.
I bought a Samsung Galaxy Note exactly for this reason.
The screen is big enough for non-phone usage but small
enough to fit inside a pocket to carry around like you would
carry around a phone. It's already 5.4" so 7" is not that much
larger, you'd better have a real compelling reason for your
device in order to convince people who would otherwise
pick the Note.
Cool Idea
I don't know of your resource base, but have you seen the new translucent material they have demoed for new tablets. That would make your product something that would stand apart. They demoed the material at one of the electronic shows this year.
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I bought a Samsung Galaxy Note exactly for this reason.
The screen is big enough for non-phone usage but small
enough to fit inside a pocket to carry around like you would
carry around a phone. It's already 5.4" so 7" is not that much
larger, you'd better have a real compelling reason for your
device in order to convince people who would otherwise
pick the Note.
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Yup! Ive had my g2 since the day it came out. The two devices im looking at is the padfone or the galaxy note. Im on tmobile usa so hooping one will get 4G sometime this summer. August is my upgrade month
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I don't know of your resource base, but have you seen the new translucent material they have demoed for new tablets. That would make your product something that would stand apart. They demoed the material at one of the electronic shows this year.
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No, we are using standard touchscreens...
I think you will have a harder time distinguishing yourself from the padfone since it is out now.
So after giving this some thought this last week I decided to stick with the infinity over trading in for the Note 10.1. I just think the Infinity is superior product. I benchmark, stock and not rooted, at about 13,000 and I/O is and acceptable 450.
Obviously the big "breath taking" feature of the note is the S- Pen and in my opinion the biggest reason I might have had tablet envy. The pen is something that I can use on a daily basis for work since I take so many notes. I just can't get over the plastic, slow up dates from Samsung and no FHD screen. Also, the addition of the keyboard doc lets you take the Infinity to whole different level. I have set out to see if I can capture the "pen experience" in the Infinity and this is what I have found so far. I hope the rest of you will share ideas and experiences as well.
Stylus: I have tried several since I had a Asus Prime and found most not to be sufficient for my needs. The cheap ones are surely cheap and wear out quickly. Some even leave a residue behind on the screen. After several tries I have found the Adonit Jot Pro to be the most accurate and best all around for my needs. It works well when swiping the screen ( I only use it for that when I am using the jot pro to write with) and gives clear translation of what I write without skipping. I will probably order some extra discs right away since I can see that being a potential issue and could shut me down using until replacements arrive. One thing I do not like about the jot pro stylus is I wish they would have put one more revolution of threads on the cap. It has fallen off once and having the tip exposed while while carrying around could damage the disc. So be careful to make sure it is not cross threaded and put back in place securely.
Screen Protector: I had the Zagg protector but it is much to sticky to use with the jot stylus. I do not think it works well with any of them personally. I do not have a screen protector on my screen currently but have ordered and should recieve Monday clear Acaseview screen protector that was recommended in another post. I will update when I have installed and used
Software/ Apps: I am mainly using SuperNote to take my notes. It functions really well to take notes on the fly. I have several note books setup for various topics. I have also setup a notebook that has forms in it that use regularly and usually fill out using paper and pen. I scanned an image of each form and inserted them into a page in Supernote. When I go to fill them out I simply use the insert annotation feature and "bingo" I have a non paper version of the form that I can archive and retrieve at any time.
One challenge of Supernote is that it is not too strong on export natively. You can either export to an .SNE file which can be read by nothing but supernote or share via email or other apps. There is no .pdf function built in which would be great if ASUS would update this functionality. My solution to this is to share everything to Evernote where you can pretty much do anything you want to with the information at that point. The possibilities are endless. By using the recent apps list it is very easy to switch between both and if you use overskreen as a browser you get that placebo effect of multi tasking ( ok, maybe not.)
Another useful program to share to is scan to pdf and you can skip Evernote altogether.
On a side note I found it interesting that the day the Samsung was launched the ICS+ browser and google release a beta that allowed you to write your search criteria that was converted to text in the search box.
These are just a few ideas that I have come up with in just a few days. I am happily taking notes on my infinity and my eyes love me for full HD. I am sure there is more out there and more to come. I look forward to learning more from those of you that care to share what you have come up with.
Nice post, and great to see what you've come up with. I am still in doubt about using a screen protector (not so much for the protection, but for the glare reduction), so I'll keep an eye on what you think of your soon-to-come addition. I do not take notes that religiously -- that's not true, to be honest; I take notes all the times, but on paper next to my 700 -- so I'll have to remind me to give Overskreen and SuperNote a whirl.
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An update that the acaseview screen protector works great with the adonit jot pro stylus. Pen moves just as freely as if there was not a screen protector on and recognition of hand writing is great. The screen protector fits the tf700 perfectly and seems to be high quality. Here is the amazon link to the version I purchased.
http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T...eywords=acaseview+screen+protector+asus+tf700
How do you deal with your palm messing things up? I assume with the Note that wouldn't be a problem since the stylus isn't capacitive.
I'd have to recommend the sensu brush or the truglide stylus.
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I'd have to recommend the sensu brush or the truglide stylus.
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Got the Sensu brush yesterday. Very nice.
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Got the Sensu brush yesterday. Very nice.
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I've only had mine for a couple weeks but it really is the best I've used. The apps are somewhat limited, but that will all change sooner or later. For now, I'm loving the Sensu Brush and Photoshop Touch.
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How do you deal with your palm messing things up? I assume with the Note that wouldn't be a problem since the stylus isn't capacitive.
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Maybe it is my writing style but I seem to not have a problem with my palm "messing things up"
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I'd have to recommend the sensu brush or the truglide stylus.
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I will have to give the sensu a try. I looked at the truglide but passed because it was so much shorter than a regular pen. I see now that they do offer a full size stylus so it may work great as well.
Agree for pen part, but the true strength to my surprise on galaxy note is speed and stability. I have encountered only a single crush after 30 to 40 hours of use. As stable as iOS perhaps better. But I do miss hd resolution.
Hey, i am very very interested in buying this tab but most online reviews say it slow, makes sounds cause plastic is cheap, scratches easily, looks cheap and the cameras useless, made me really not want to buy it but then i thought that's what certain people who had a ics version and were just over critical so i wanna know what u guys the users of this device think of the stock jelly bean note and custom rom type options, please be honest, if there problems or things u worry about u can say
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Hey, i am very very interested in buying this tab but most online reviews say it slow, makes sounds cause plastic is cheap, scratches easily, looks cheap and the cameras useless, made me really not want to buy it but then i thought that's what certain people who had a ics version and were just over critical so i wanna know what u guys the users of this device think of the stock jelly bean note and custom rom type options, please be honest, if there problems or things u worry about u can say
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Its true that the plastic creaks slightly (for me anyways), and that it scratches easily for sure. Its true the camera isnt the best, though its not bad by any means. Honestly, the selling points here are the processor and the s-pen, and for me, thats worth it 10 times over. The spen is the best stylus solution that im aware of for any tablet. The processor is insanely fast. I have not had a single complaint about it yet. Also, the IR port is a nice extra
Tl;dr, im very satisfied.
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Its true that the plastic creaks slightly (for me anyways), and that it scratches easily for sure. Its true the camera isnt the best, though its not bad by any means. Honestly, the selling points here are the processor and the s-pen, and for me, thats worth it 10 times over. The spen is the best stylus solution that im aware of for any tablet. The processor is insanely fast. I have not had a single complaint about it yet. Also, the IR port is a nice extra
Tl;dr, im very satisfied.
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So it is fast, nice, all the reviews say is the only pro, spen and multi screen, do u miss nfc and compared to the galaxy s camera and plastic wise how is it and can you get a dock able keyboard like tab 2 or just a bluetooth one, how does the IR thing work and finally the whole split screen only works with touchwize apps right so I can't have whatsapp and a movie open at the same time, $500 is alot of cash to spend then realise that it wasn't what u expected.
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Honestly it depends what your looking for in a tablet. I got this because I wanted the spen and a fast processor. I love to doodle and this was perfect for it . I also plan to use this for notes when I start my classes. As for the camera, I never saw the point to have a back facing camera on a tablet; its super awkward to take pictures with it.
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So it is fast, nice, all the reviews say is the only pro, spen and multi screen, do u miss nfc and compared to the galaxy s camera and plastic wise how is it and can you get a dock able keyboard like tab 2 or just a bluetooth one, how does the IR thing work and finally the whole split screen only works with touchwize apps right so I can't have whatsapp and a movie open at the same time, $500 is alot of cash to spend then realise that it wasn't what u expected.
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It is the fastest device I've ever uses , IR works perfectly on most of my devices at home ,split screen will include more apps in jelly bean update , the really bad thing about this tab is the silver frame , it is so damn fragile that your hand can scratch it easily and about the 500 $ is it WiFi only ?
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It is the fastest device I've ever uses , IR works perfectly on most of my devices at home ,split screen will include more apps in jelly bean update , the really bad thing about this tab is the silver frame , it is so damn fragile that your hand can scratch it easily and about the 500 $ is it WiFi only ?
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I think so, was the one on amazon, i plan to get it in korea, i think a Samsung device would be cheaper the 500 was a baseline i saw on amazon, i am a student in a school that doesn't allow tabs for notes but i will probably do research, write up projects in doc play games listen to music, i am gonna get a nice case for it, i drop my stuff alot, in a case can it survive a couple of drops from hand height and would a case make it alot stronger and less noisy
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I think so, was the one on amazon, i plan to get it in korea, i think a Samsung device would be cheaper the 500 was a baseline i saw on amazon, i am a student in a school that doesn't allow tabs for notes but i will probably do research, write up projects in doc play games listen to music, i am gonna get a nice case for it, i drop my stuff alot, in a case can it survive a couple of drops from hand height and would a case make it alot stronger and less noisy
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If you get a good case, youre set... i got the poetic slimbook case and while its allaround decent, i dropped my tablet once and now i have a nasty scuff on the corner and the back almost popped off o.o
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So it is fast, nice, all the reviews say is the only pro, spen and multi screen, do u miss nfc and compared to the galaxy s camera and plastic wise how is it and can you get a dock able keyboard like tab 2 or just a bluetooth one, how does the IR thing work and finally the whole split screen only works with touchwize apps right so I can't have whatsapp and a movie open at the same time, $500 is alot of cash to spend then realise that it wasn't what u expected.
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i never had nfc... multiscreen is nice and ive even found legitimate use in it when doing problems from the book (open in Polaris office) on S-note, side by side. Its nice but its not a reason to buy this tablet. Maybe it will be witn the jellybean update. The galaxy s camera is probably better, but again: Its a freaking 10 inch tablet rofl.. are you planning on doing photoshoots with this 10inch wall between the models and yourself?
You can get a bluetooth keyboard but as far as i know, samsung never went through making the keyboard dock they were planning to. You can just buy the galaxy tab 10.1" one and sand off the sides a bit.. i remember reading aboout that a few days ago (google it).
The IR port gives this thing the ability to be a universal remote control. Thats it.
Multiscreen can only do Polaris office, browser, snote, video player, gallery and Samsung's email client. Maybe JB will change that.
Go test it out at your local best buy so you know what youre getting yourself into.
As for the camera, I never saw the point to have a back facing camera on a tablet; its super awkward to take pictures with it.
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Awesome, i am a heavy gamer, things like nova 3, grand theft auto, deap space, that type of stuff, does the tablet do heavy gaming
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I play each of those games on the Note with no issues whatsoever. I use a PS3 controller with them to make it even better!
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I play each of those games on the Note with no issues whatsoever. I use a PS3 controller with them to make it even better!
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Thats so cool, looks like note it is, just need to get a good price in Korea, i am student so tight budget and all, my Korean friend who goes back there during holidays gonna look for me and if the price right buy it, i can't forsee any problems using it in South Africa if i bought it in Korea, change system language nice thing i can get Korean updates without flashing, does the note do the calling with earphones like tab 2 or don't u need earphones or what and finally is the warranty global
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As others have said: it depends what you want to do with it.
I want to use my tablet in a productive way. I write notes, use it with pdfs and annotating them and learning languages (flash cards).
I am a hobby photographer and enjoy doing sorting, selecting and light editing on the tablet instead of the desktop PC. I plan to experiment with more heavy stylus editing in the future.
Camera on a tablet is a non-issue for me. As far as i'm concerned a tablet could come with only a front-facing camera for skype.
For my taste all phone and tablet cameras are junk and only useful for quick snapshots. That's why I don't need a tablet cam.
Scratching is a non-issue for me as well. I treat my stuff way more delicately than other people apparently.
Squeaking? When i lay on my back and hold the Note with one hand above my face the torquing will give a extremely mild squeak from the bezel area. Nothing worrying.
Everything runs smooth as butter.
Battery is amazing.
The big points for the Note are the stylus and the multiscreen functionality and the mini apps. For me who uses it mostly productively it is amazing. I suppose others who are more into entertainment want more; I am quite satisfied.
I guess there are better choices for purely entertainment, passive purposes.
Btw: afaik gadgets are more expensive in korea. Sometimes they have models not available anywhere else though (not the case with note 10.1 though afaik)
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Btw: afaik gadgets are more expensive in korea. Sometimes they have models not available anywhere else though (not the case with note 10.1 though afaik)
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Interesting i would of expected a Samsung device manufactured in Korea to be cheaper there, the more expensive prices in Korea take about $200-$400 off the price if you were to get it in South Africa which takes it from hellishly expensive to reasonable price and more importantly affordable and buyable
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Let me put it this way you have Ipads and you have Android Tablets (not taking in Windows8 tablets bec still new) If you want a Vanila tablet which will only allow you to do what i can do go for an Ipad, but if you want sometime more professional and something that you can customized then you need to look at an Android device, forget what all the reviews say this is one of the best Android tablets out there.
Those who say that its laggy and all that **** are idiot who are just lying, I always believe the proof is in the pudding if you have a friend who owns one just see it for yourself open as many apps as you can and see whether it lags or not.
With respect to multiscreen yes it is limited and may grow with JB but then there is no other Android tablet with that feature.
The battery life is great, yes its a plastic body and hence creeks will be there as thats more a charectristic of plastic though I have noticed non, nor do have any scratches.
But overall the build quality is good.
Again it depends what are you looking for in a tablet, but I can say one thing for sure do not go by what reviews say they are bull ****
Apparently Kprea has very genetous tax benefits for exports.
In the end it doesn't really matter since your friend is going to check the actual price and get a final confirmation.
As for bargain shopping: nothing beats the US (generally speaking) for electronics and many other stuff.
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Apparently Kprea has very genetous tax benefits for exports.
In the end it doesn't really matter since your friend is going to check the actual price and get a final confirmation.
As for bargain shopping: nothing beats the US (generally speaking) for electronics and many other stuff.
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Of course. I was refering to pure purchase price. Mail ordering internationally extremely rarely works out to ones benefit in terms of bargain shopping.
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Of course. I was refering to pure purchase price. Mail ordering internationally extremely rarely works out to ones benefit in terms of bargain shopping.
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Yeah, i am not mail ordering, my friend gonna buy it at the Korean Samsung shop then bring it back
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Note vs ipad vs thinkpad
my experience haveing had extensive experience with 3 tablets, Ipad 2, Thinkpad slate, and Note 10.1 is:
Metal is firmer than plastic. duh but plastic is lighter than metal so all and all I dont think the construction of the Note is an issue at all besides nearly everyoen puts it in a case so who cares what the back is made out of if you have it in a case anyway I never understood the revewers obsession with this. To me the reviewers who focus overmuch on the materia used are either intentionally being biased towards apple or are completely out of touch with how most peopel use the tablet.
The thinkpad was built really well externally (my power button broke and had to be repaired) adn had a variety of very convienient ports but it was a bit bulky and a bit buggy, all and all I liked it alot and it converted me from ios to my first android product so I have very little bad to say about it.
the ipad2 is what it is, it works well for basic content consumption, my wife figured out how to use it in no time, it is boring to use and if you want to do something with it like put a movie on it or download a torrent or put a widget or send multiple things in an email your pooched it cant and wont do it. In my opinion sharing files,calendar items,pictures etc is so half baked in ios that it is laughable! Hardly any reviewers talk about how easy it is to share stuff with android again an indication that they are mostly out to lunch with how people use their devices.
Note 10.1 by far the best of the bunch, the build quality is fine I have very little creaking if any on mine and now that it is in a case it feels as solid as my wifes ipad (also in a case) only a bit lighter. Speed and lag very fast no lag I cant for the life of me understand how reviewers describe this tablet as laggy either they have a lemon or they are full of sh**. I have had no lag I have had it side by side with my wife ipad2 and have opened a bunch of apps side by side and loaded a dozen web pages and the note is always faster (as you woudl expect since it is a current gen product and the ipad 2 is not).
Mini apps, I love them there has been lots of times when I am in the middle of reading or editing a document and someone asks me to check email, or to calculate something and I just pop up the mini apps and then close it when done. sure it would be nice to have more options for apps that will multi task but all and all this is a great feature that I have used losts
Screen: sure not Hd but to be honest I really dont miss the HD option the screen looks good to me and I have no trouble watching a movie or reading a web page or email on it so I am happy to compromise the HD screen to have the spen which I like and use alot.
since moving from my ipad and iphone 3gs I have fully converted to android the note 10.1 and my SGIII work perfect together and are much more versatile than my iphone/ipad combo due to the enhanced sharing and tethering options .
Can anyone please tell that how is the internal memory divided in the note 10.1 in each of the16, 32 and 64 versions? I think it is divided in 3 parts(useable internal memory, USB and system partition)
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Just remember though, if you need to return it for warranty fix you're gonna have to go back to Korea... I bought a Note 10.1 off the net and it came from from Austria, I live in Australia. It fried itself good and I had to return it for warranty, Australian repairers won't touch it under warranty as its not covered under Samsung's Australian warranty. Has to be sent back to Austria.... I sent it back to company a few days ago, I'm waiting to hear back from them.....
Got another one though, from Australia this time, as you would be surprised how you miss it... Will be eating rice and tuna for the next month or so...
So I'm really interested in a Note 10.1 because I've always wanted a tablet with a proper stylus. There are however a few questions I want to ask before I commit to buying one.
First, how is the build quality of it? I've read quite a few reviews where they say the build quality is not that good? What's your experience of it? Is it as bad as the reviewers say?
Second, How is Touchwiz? I've herd quiet a few complaints that it cripples the majority of Samsung's products and the Note 10.1 is no exception.
Finally, and probably the most important thing for me, is the S-Pen. How is that? I've seen a few videos on YouTube displaying it and it does look good but what are your views about it? Have you come across any problems with it?
Also are there any other problems you've had? Browsing the Q&A forum, it does appear to be quite problem prone.
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So I'm really interested in a Note 10.1 because I've always wanted a tablet with a proper stylus. There are however a few questions I want to ask before I commit to buying one.
First, how is the build quality of it? I've read quite a few reviews where they say the build quality is not that good? What's your experience of it? Is it as bad as the reviewers say?
Second, How is Touchwiz? I've herd quiet a few complaints that it cripples the majority of Samsung's products and the Note 10.1 is no exception.
Finally, and probably the most important thing for me, is the S-Pen. How is that? I've seen a few videos on YouTube displaying it and it does look good but what are your views about it? Have you come across any problems with it?
Also are there any other problems you've had? Browsing the Q&A forum, it does appear to be quite problem prone.
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First: Build qualit may not be super deluxe style but its good, abit slippery though so watch out.
Second: TW isnt that bad, its not perfect (What you define as perfect is totally up to you) , but it works.
Finally: S-Pen is wonderful. I always seem to press the button on the pen, it annoys me like hell sometimes. Responsive and pretty fast. Ive noticed some problems on JB but its not pen related i guess.. The text Im writing dissapears too fast and it starts with a capital letter for some reason, Ive to type pretty fast.
Besides that, abit too lowres screen and OK camera its a superb tablet.
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First: Build qualit may not be super deluxe style but its good, abit slippery though so watch out.
Second: TW isnt that bad, its not perfect (What you define as perfect is totally up to you) , but it works.
Finally: S-Pen is wonderful. I always seem to press the button on the pen, it annoys me like hell sometimes. Responsive and pretty fast. Ive noticed some problems on JB but its not pen related i guess.. The text Im writing dissapears too fast and it starts with a capital letter for some reason, Ive to type pretty fast.
Besides that, abit too lowres screen and OK camera its a superb tablet.
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I'm upgrading from an iPad 2 and I think the res on that is fine so i'm not that fussed about the res. Thanks!
tcntad said:
First: Build qualit may not be super deluxe style but its good, abit slippery though so watch out.
Second: TW isnt that bad, its not perfect (What you define as perfect is totally up to you) , but it works.
Finally: S-Pen is wonderful. I always seem to press the button on the pen, it annoys me like hell sometimes. Responsive and pretty fast. Ive noticed some problems on JB but its not pen related i guess.. The text Im writing dissapears too fast and it starts with a capital letter for some reason, Ive to type pretty fast.
Besides that, abit too lowres screen and OK camera its a superb tablet.
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Its not an aluminium chassis... but then everyone complained when the GalaxyS2 came out that "the back is all plastic? no aluminium? cheap and tacky shoddy workmanship samsung" etc etc.
I've had my S2 for over a year, and its as sturdy as it ever was. Aluminium is solid, and its heavy, and it is certainly not a necessity. The build of the note so far (for me, anyway) has been absolutely fine. no give, no creaking.
I havent even noticed touchwiz really. Seems just like every other touch system. You swipe to change pages. Press apps, apps open. It works.
The S-Pen is the main reason I bought this tablet, and so far it seems to do the job just fine. Much easier than using the finger-thick stylus on the ipad (my previous tablet). If you want a wacom digitiser in your tablet pc, then there is really no other choice.
Depends what you want a tablet for really. I wanted one I could use for artwork, and the Note is the best for that.
If you just want to browse and play games, I'd probably say to get a Nexus 10.
You say you want a proper stylus though, and for the price theres no contest. I believe theres a samsung pro tablet that runs windows, with a stylus etc (someone told me it was an alternative option when I was looking at the note), but it was over £600 in the UK, which is almost 3x the price of the Note here.
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Its not an aluminium chassis... but then everyone complained when the GalaxyS2 came out that "the back is all plastic? no aluminium? cheap and tacky shoddy workmanship samsung" etc etc.
I've had my S2 for over a year, and its as sturdy as it ever was. Aluminium is solid, and its heavy, and it is certainly not a necessity. The build of the note so far (for me, anyway) has been absolutely fine. no give, no creaking.
I havent even noticed touchwiz really. Seems just like every other touch system. You swipe to change pages. Press apps, apps open. It works.
The S-Pen is the main reason I bought this tablet, and so far it seems to do the job just fine. Much easier than using the finger-thick stylus on the ipad (my previous tablet). If you want a wacom digitiser in your tablet pc, then there is really no other choice.
Depends what you want a tablet for really. I wanted one I could use for artwork, and the Note is the best for that.
If you just want to browse and play games, I'd probably say to get a Nexus 10.
You say you want a proper stylus though, and for the price theres no contest. I believe theres a samsung pro tablet that runs windows, with a stylus etc (someone told me it was an alternative option when I was looking at the note), but it was over £600 in the UK, which is almost 3x the price of the Note here.
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I want it for note taking and a bit of sketching so a stylus is a nessesity. Tried a stylus on my iPad 2 but it was awful and unaccurate.
Omg, please stop using quote from the post right above... :banghead:
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Omg, please stop using quote from the post right above... :banghead:
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Why, It outlines what we're referring too...
As for the note, It has good build quality, I've no problem on the 4 I bought, 1 for me, 1 for brother and a couple for friends... All grey and no creaking... You'll probably put it in a folder case anyway for safety and ease of carrying.
S-pen works great, not the best artist but I had the capacitive stylus and the s-pen is so far out of that ballpark its embarrassing to capacitive stylii everywhere...
Screen is actually quite good for colours, it looks like samsung really tweaked the graphics to get the best out of their hardware. Apparently there can be lightbleed on the white tab but can't say I've noticed any problem on my grey one....
Up to you if you want to get the 3g or wifi-only tab, 3g works quite well and being able to make phone calls from my note 10.1 is just awesome, add to that the bluetooth stylus and its really a good combo, no more star trek wannabe with a bluetooth headset hanging off my ear and the stylus is really no different than having that retro handset that seems to be the rage atm.... Better really as you can put it in your pocket like a pen... Also, no embarrasing conversations with the world as your audience....
Can have up to a 64gb sd card to save all you wonderful creations, music, videos and books (work files too if you have any room left)...
I have the 32gb internal 3g variant. That gives a whopping 96gb of storage.... Almost enough but I still push the boundaries of wanting more....
Having the floating apps are good when you need to be able to do 2 things at once, at this point I haven't seen any other tablet that multitasks..
I like it and have no regrets on this purchase... Best out there atm...
Thanks for the info! I've decided to take the plunge and get one. Got the grey Wifi 16GB version and should arrive tomorrow! Looking forward to using it!
Just an FYI - if you already have a wacom tablet, I have the bamboo, you may be able to use the pen from it on your note 10.1 too... This is good if you prefer the feel of a normal pen/pencil over the short square pen that's supplied.... There's nothing wrong with it but I personally prefer the feel of the bluetooth stylus because it is more like a pen...
And if you get a case it may be an idea to look at getting something that can store a wacom pen, in case you get one later...
And trust me, you'll love the note....
The build quality is good in the sense that it's all held together and it hasn't fallen apart on anyone yet in the 4 months that it has been out. Okay.
The build quality is not good in the sense that the chassis has flex and it groans when picking it up. The underside is also flexible plastic. It doesn't feel like a solid slab like the ipad and therefore inspire the same confidence in handling it.
But really, it doesn't matter because the pen input makes this tablet. If you need it then you won't mind the build quality.
Stick it in a good case and you won't care whether it's made of plastic or rubber.
Recommend any good ones? I prefer the folio cases.
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F The text Im writing dissapears too fast.
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There is a setting you can change for thism and I belice it is called recognition time. Keyboard settings/handwriting and the recognition time. Oh and you click on handwriting for the menu.
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Recommend any good ones? I prefer the folio cases.
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There are a couple threads around discussing cases.
Poetic has a decent line. You may want to get a case that allows portrait as well as landscape support, but that is up to you. Personally if I need portrait, I'll just hold the damn thing.
Got mine just the other day. I too was a little concerned about the build quality but also the screen, however it's fine in my opinion, comparable to the S2/S3 phones, plastic but solid enough, I get no creaks at all. I find the screen bright and sharp, no problems here at all.
I personally don't judge a table or any other device on the launcher as you can change and personalize that, I am happy with touchwiz though, its smooth and just works.
S - pen seems fine to me, there can be a little lag when you are moving quickly across the screen but you shouldn't really need to do that anyway, I find it very accurate and very usable.
I havent yet found any problems with the device as stock, although I had a cooked ROM in place about 30 mins after I got it home. If you can pickup one of these on a cashback offer you can get it for as little as £260-280, total bargain in my opinion.
Well I just got it today and so far it's awesome. That S-pen really is the best feature of it. Are there any essential apps I need? Also when is Jelly Bean for it going to be out in the UK? I've read a few posts but can't find a definitive answer.
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Are there any essential apps I need?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1940731
As what other had said, just slip your GN to a solid and/or firm casing and it will becomes firm - exactly the same thing you will do with those aluminum-made tablets...
The screen resolution is not the same with an iPad or even Nexus 10 but it is not really that bad... it is decently watchable and usable, again, suitable for its purpose...
And the S pen functionality is simply the best in the market...
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I currently have the 10.1 2014 edition and while I like it, I have a few frustrations.
1. pdf annotations take forever. Currently I've tried adobe reader, ezpdf, snote, and am finally going to try kindle since I heard it's very smooth though annotating on it leaves much to be desired.
2. If I sold my current 10.1 and upgrade to 12.2 it'd only be about an extra $150.
3. The extra space would be nice, since I find myself constantly pinching and zooming.
4. Some of the 'pro' features would be nice too (though I've heard it can be had on the 10.1 as well)
5. Thinking of selling my MacBook Air in favor for a 27" inch iMac for home use and the 12.2 Note pro for while I'm on the go.
I take a lot of hand written note in class, and while I'm not convinced yet I can ditch the paper and pen--I'm hopeful.
Any thoughts?
simply dave said:
I currently have the 10.1 2014 edition and while I like it, I have a few frustrations.
1. pdf annotations take forever. Currently I've tried adobe reader, ezpdf, snote, and am finally going to try kindle since I heard it's very smooth though annotating on it leaves much to be desired.
2. If I sold my current 10.1 and upgrade to 12.2 it'd only be about an extra $150.
3. The extra space would be nice, since I find myself constantly pinching and zooming.
4. Some of the 'pro' features would be nice too (though I've heard it can be had on the 10.1 as well)
5. Thinking of selling my MacBook Air in favor for a 27" inch iMac for home use and the 12.2 Note pro for while I'm on the go.
I take a lot of hand written note in class, and while I'm not convinced yet I can ditch the paper and pen--I'm hopeful.
Any thoughts?
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its pretty dead around here bud, Ijust got mine, wifi version, I had to root it clean it out and swap launchers to use it. I will say that it runs much better, however there are still bugs.. I press the home screen and I end up in the app box. I find a lot of apps look funky and do not run well. I dont really like the ipad due to it's limitations, but I'm thinking of sending this thing back and nabbing an ipad for travel.
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its pretty dead around here bud, Ijust got mine, wifi version, I had to root it clean it out and swap launchers to use it. I will say that it runs much better, however there are still bugs..
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Most of those issues are directly related to the fact it's the WiFi version. The LTE edition has a lot less issues. (My main argument for never buying a device with an Exynos. Snapdragon is simply more stable.)
I press the home screen and I end up in the app box..
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Try another launcher. That or perhaps you did something in Xposed.
simply dave said:
I currently have the 10.1 2014 edition and while I like it, I have a few frustrations.
1. pdf annotations take forever. Currently I've tried adobe reader, ezpdf, snote, and am finally going to try kindle since I heard it's very smooth though annotating on it leaves much to be desired.
2. If I sold my current 10.1 and upgrade to 12.2 it'd only be about an extra $150.
3. The extra space would be nice, since I find myself constantly pinching and zooming.
4. Some of the 'pro' features would be nice too (though I've heard it can be had on the 10.1 as well)
5. Thinking of selling my MacBook Air in favor for a 27" inch iMac for home use and the 12.2 Note pro for while I'm on the go.
I take a lot of hand written note in class, and while I'm not convinced yet I can ditch the paper and pen--I'm hopeful.
Any thoughts?
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I was in this exact situation. Even the amount cost wise to upgrade was the same for me. The extra space for what I do (math and biochem) was welcomed and probably my main deciding factor. It made a big difference for what I use the device for. I use ezpdf for my textbooks with no issue. I use dropsync to have them keep my home and work computers in line with my tablet work, reading, whatever I worked on. The pdfs size wise are hundreds to thousands of pages, full color, science textbooks. I use it for typing stuff and editing some of my website stuff as well. Occasionally digital painting when I get the craving. Otherwise comics or emulators for fun. I have replaced paper and pen almost completely, but you really want an aftermarket pen for it. If you work on it for any lengthy period of time that little dinky pen it comes with just doesn't cut it. It really depends what you are planning to do with it.
ShadowLea said:
Most of those issues are directly related to the fact it's the WiFi version. The LTE edition has a lot less issues. (My main argument for never buying a device with an Exynos. Snapdragon is simply more stable.)
Try another launcher. That or perhaps you did something in Xposed.
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I've never had this issue with any Exynos device, this one or my previous note 10.1 or phones. Going on 5ish years now. I've had zero stability issues or speed issues. I haven't had anyone complain about these things really in my thread. Never heard of this from friends with the devices either.
I always find if there's a problem it's touchwiz or some samsung crap at fault.
I'll give ezpdf another shot. I turned me off on it was I couldn't readily find the eraser?
I'm also taking chemistry and in the medical field so I'm hoping this note could last me well into my time in Grad school.
Sometimes it's challenging to find a workflow that works best for you. Things get harder if documents are complicated and therfore don't convert well or use a lot of resources when loaded.
For PDF annotation I'm now using Papyrus, importing into that application to note take over the PDF prior to exporting back out to PDF. Works ok for me but YMMV.
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Sometimes it's challenging to find a workflow that works best for you. Things get harder if documents are complicated and therfore don't convert well or use a lot of resources when loaded.
For PDF annotation I'm now using Papyrus, importing into that application to note take over the PDF prior to exporting back out to PDF. Works ok for me but YMMV.
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Did you opt to purchase key features like the ability to type and use the highlighter etc?
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1. pdf annotations take forever. Currently I've tried adobe reader, ezpdf, snote, and am finally going to try kindle since I heard it's very smooth though annotating on it leaves much to be desired.
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can't comment on this since i don't annotate directly on pdfs... i open another window and take notes using papyrus while viewing the pdf split screen style.
2. If I sold my current 10.1 and upgrade to 12.2 it'd only be about an extra $150.
3. The extra space would be nice, since I find myself constantly pinching and zooming.
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the space is very nice. its a big upgrade for a little amount of money. this would be the deciding factor for me.
4. Some of the 'pro' features would be nice too (though I've heard it can be had on the 10.1 as well)
5. Thinking of selling my MacBook Air in favor for a 27" inch iMac for home use and the 12.2 Note pro for while I'm on the go.
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can't comment on number 4, but number 5 sounds like a pretty sweet tradeoff.
I take a lot of hand written note in class, and while I'm not convinced yet I can ditch the paper and pen--I'm hopeful.
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its only so-so for note-taking in my opinion. i write tiny and fast, and it doesn't quite keep up, or register that i've lifted the pen. i bought a bamboo feel stylus hoping that would make it a better experience, but no dice. so don't ditch the pen and paper just yet.
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Did you opt to purchase key features like the ability to type and use the highlighter etc?
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Yes, I have unlocked all available features via in-app purchase. From the looks of it this includes the ability to import PDF. Sorry for not clarifying that.
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liquidquick said:
can't comment on this since i don't annotate directly on pdfs... i open another window and take notes using papyrus while viewing the pdf split screen style.
the space is very nice. its a big upgrade for a little amount of money. this would be the deciding factor for me.
can't comment on number 4, but number 5 sounds like a pretty sweet tradeoff.
its only so-so for note-taking in my opinion. i write tiny and fast, and it doesn't quite keep up, or register that i've lifted the pen. i bought a bamboo feel stylus hoping that would make it a better experience, but no dice. so don't ditch the pen and paper just yet.
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One thing that made me finalize my decision was just how little space I have writing when I'm in split-screen mode. Reading PDF on one side and taking notes on Papyrus on the other. A little cumbersome. I'mma pull the trigger and upgrade. Sell my tricked out MBA and get the iMac at home. I can't get over how nice the iMacs are. That screen is gorgeous.
I hope I say the same about the 12.2.
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One thing that made me finalize my decision was just how little space I have writing when I'm in split-screen mode. Reading PDF on one side and taking notes on Papyrus on the other. A little cumbersome. I'mma pull the trigger and upgrade. Sell my tricked out MBA and get the iMac at home. I can't get over how nice the iMacs are. That screen is gorgeous.
I hope I say the same about the 12.2.
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I got the Note 10.1 2014 the day it came out. I use it for work meetings and take a fair amount of notes. I sold my 10.1 2014 and got the 12.2 about 2 months ago. The 12.2 is much better for taking notes. It is more like the size of a real note pad. The newer version of touchwiz seems lighter than on the 2014 as well. Based on what you have asked the 12.2 should be a better fit.
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Most of those issues are directly related to the fact it's the WiFi version. The LTE edition has a lot less issues. (My main argument for never buying a device with an Exynos. Snapdragon is simply more stable.)
Try another launcher. That or perhaps you did something in Xposed.
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I have the wifi version (Exynos) and use Apex launcher. I use it 1-2 hours every night and can't remember it ever having "issues" other than maybe a little lag after running for a week or two without a reboot. A reboot and I'm good for another week or so. Although there is some good argument for the snapdragon version for better developer support I think that is the only reason. I have seen nothing so that leads me to believe the snapdragon version would be faster or more stable.
Just finally got the Note 12.2 Yesterday. Love it going to start using it in class today. One feature I really miss is the fast charging from Snapdragon devices but other than that nothing much. Lol my second exynos device, my note 2 was my first. Not many issues so far.
I was worried at first but it's not to laggy. It's really TouchWiz ran nova for a bit and it flew and I'm on stock so the deflated roms will be even better.
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simply dave said:
I'll give ezpdf another shot. I turned me off on it was I couldn't readily find the eraser?
I'm also taking chemistry and in the medical field so I'm hoping this note could last me well into my time in Grad school.
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You could be fine then.
With this and gesture shortcuts I fly around to the things I need back and forth no issue. I tutor premeds and I study molecular virology and am doing the Grad School gig and I have no issue. The screen space upgrade for equations and such is what sold me. That was the only improvement from the 10.1 I needed once I used it for a few days I was pretty sure I could make it work. It doesn't seem that much larger but it made a world of difference. I can't do the whole continue my equation onto a second line even with proper annotation thing it drives me nuts.
So far I have done it. I don't do split screen, easy pdf makes a copy of my pdf so I leave the original pristine then I annotate into that, dropbox deals with all of it. If I use something to take note taking apps I prefer lecture notes over papyrus. Most the time I keep lecture notes open and the book open, then use LAS https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abhi.lastappswitcher&hl=en, which will switch back to your last app like a tv romote can, makes switching between almost instant. Nice and smooth work without much waiting.
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naruto.ninjakid said:
Just finally got the Note 12.2 Yesterday. Love it going to start using it in class today. One feature I really miss is the fast charging from Snapdragon devices but other than that nothing much. Lol my second exynos device, my note 2 was my first. Not many issues so far.
I was worried at first but it's not to laggy. It's really TouchWiz ran nova for a bit and it flew and I'm on stock so the deflated roms will be even better.
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If you're on wifi the sm-p900 go grabbed my debloated one. You'll be happy, mem startup drops from around 2 to around 1gbs, just from all the bloat crap they have.