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[Q] A few questions about bootloader ...

Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?

dloulou said:
Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?
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The bootloader version number will be changed after alpharevx, to 6.something, to stop accidental bootloader down grading.
Ginger beak is the exploit that we use to achieve root, So it can be rooted!
You don't need gold card.
You're right in saying that you don't need root to flash custom, just soff and a recovery, CWM or EXT4
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
I don't see htc releasing unlocked boot loader to this device till at least late september as the schedule they've announced initially involves sensation and evo3d only
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA Premium App

Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
ben_pyett said:
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
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I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?

dloulou said:
Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?
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Yep, a pre-backup (a Nandroid backup) always helps and makes you feel slightly more secure when flashing!
Goldcards - I'm afraid that I'm not 100% sure about that.
A quote from @paulobrien @Modaco, "A GoldCard is a special SD card which, when inserted into your device, allows you to flash RUU (ROM Update/upgrade utility) files with a different CID to your own device. For example, if you own a T-Mobile branded device, this will allow you to flash a generic ROM."
As I don't own a network locked device I've never had to use one myself, so my knowledge about them is pretty thin.

Thanks, mine is also not a branded device.

[Q] noob neeeds help - root/s-off-on/hboot/CID

hi, i've been using my sensation for 8 months now. rooted it a while back ago with revolutionary.
im running Virtuous Inquisition v3.0.0 on my phone right now.
*** LOCKED ***
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.23.0000
RADIO-11.19.3504.2_2
i wonder if i should try to get back S-ON (though i AM afraid of bricking my device)
and send my phone to htc for waranty purpose (it has a minor charging problem, when i plug in the cable, i have to make sure its at a right angle for it to charge, like its a bit loose)
my questions are:
1. HBOOT - how can i know which is "root-able" (s-off/on-switchable)
i heard/read that newer hboot are not "unlockable" at the moment? which one is the lastest hboot, and what is the lastet-rootable one?
2. i didnt write my CID down when i changedit to superCID the day i rooted my phone. i only know i had a germany vodafone soft-branded phone. is there a way to find out what CID i had at the beginning?
3. how can i put my device back to the state before i rooted my phone, by that i mean, i want to be able to get official OTA updates. or will this involve the "how to get back s-on guide" which is a bit risky as i have read that guide a couple of times.
i hope some1 can give me some answer or hint on how to find these things out. i just need to be directed to the right direction, and ill be thankfull and happy to continue my search on my own.

another question
4. what happens when i run the RUU (i have RUU_Pyramid_HTC_Europe_1.45.401.2_Radio_10.56.9035.00U_10.14.9035.01_M_release_208857_signed)
will this be a problem as i'm currently on hboot 1.23.0000? will it unroot my phone?

nevermind, im gonna try mikes ARHD and just updated my FW with Firmware from 3.24.401.1 & 3.25.401.101 RUU --- MD5 checksum: 4774D8928FB9D364F83CDDE16BAC4553 *PG58IMG.zip
so now i have
-Revolutionary-
S-OFF
HBOOT 1.27.1100
Radio 11.21.3504.13_2
i guess ill just put this thing on ebay and leave it at that.
i will still apreciate any help or explanations to my questions thou.. =)

taogenix said:
nevermind, im gonna try mikes ARHD and just updated my FW with Firmware from 3.24.401.1 & 3.25.401.101 RUU --- MD5 checksum: 4774D8928FB9D364F83CDDE16BAC4553 *PG58IMG.zip
so now i have
-Revolutionary-
S-OFF
HBOOT 1.27.1100
Radio 11.21.3504.13_2
i guess ill just put this thing on ebay and leave it at that.
i will still apreciate any help or explanations to my questions thou.. =)
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If you flash an official ruu you will lose root. But you will remain soff. So you can install any custom ROM. Your root will depend on the rom only. as far as fast boot concern it may be locked during official ruu flashing. So will not be able to use some extended fast boot command like flashing radio from PC. But revolutionary hboot is unlocked. So no issue.
Sent from my HTC Sensation using Tapatalk

Desire s,hboot 2.00.002,2.3.5,s-on root?

I've seen so much information and so many ways to root and I don't know what to do,all the information is so spread out and so tangled that i can't get my mind around it.
Would anyone willing to give me a clear set of intructions or redirect me to a thread that would help me root and s-off?
I would greatley apreaciate it.

Your options are to either downgrade or unlock with HTCdev
In the general section....
There are two threads for downgrading.
Also one thread for using HTCdev.
On my phone right now so its way to much effort getting the links.

Here's a link to a guide for unlocking the bootloader through htcdev.com and then using SuperOneClick to get root:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390496
Question: why is it necessary to unlock the bootloader to get root? What does the bootloader do?
The zergRush exploit (which is also used by SuperOneClick) works on my phone, I can also copy the su binary to /system/bin/ but it is gone after I reboot my phone.
(Forgive my n00biness.)
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HTC Desire S S510e
Android version: 2.3.5
HTC Sense version: 3.0
Software number: 2.10.401.8
Kernel version: 2.6.35.10-g9ac6c7a
Baseband version: 20.4801.30.0822U_3822.10.08.04_M
Build number: 2.10.401.8 CL156318 release-keys
*** LOCKED ***
SAGA PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-2.00.0002
RADIO-3822.10.08.04_M
eMMC-boot
Aug 22 2011, 15:22:13

foX2delta said:
Your options are to either downgrade or unlock with HTCdev
In the general section....
There are two threads for downgrading.
Also one thread for using HTCdev.
On my phone right now so its way to much effort getting the links.
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Use the "Search" button, use Google, phone a friend or even ask your grandmother but please & please don't use HTCDEV to unlock your phone. Virtually any other method is (to me) acceptable. Please read the stickies in the dev section.

Saipro said:
Use the "Search" button, use Google, phone a friend or even ask your grandmother but please & please don't use HTCDEV to unlock your phone. Virtually any other method is (to me) acceptable. Please read the stickies in the dev section.
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I would have to agree with this. So many people choose HTC-dev because it's the 'easier option'. It's not. More people seem to end up with problems using HTC-dev and also revolutionary would make life easier for you. A lot of people here have also said kiss your warranty goodbye if you use HTC-dev.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

Danepaan said:
Question: why is it necessary to unlock the bootloader to get root? What does the bootloader do?
The zergRush exploit (which is also used by SuperOneClick) works on my phone, I can also copy the su binary to /system/bin/ but it is gone after I reboot my phone.
(Forgive my n00biness.)
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Bootloader protects the partitions from being written to. When it's not unlocked either by S-OFF exploits or by HTCDev tool, you can't really write anywhere besides /data - all your writes are bogus and will be gone, the data isn't actually written.
Google for more info.

[Q] confused with the terms.. need help with root

hi..
i am all stranger to HTC world.. i have been using galaxy s, s2 and ace.. things were easier when it came to rooting and flashing custom roms.. or at least there was less terms.. 3 days ago i bougth Sensation XE and since then i have been reading every page but the more i read, the more i get cunfused...
so, what i want is basically trying new kernels, OCing, using apps like setcpu or titanium backup etc.. in order to do these rooting the device was enough with the galaxy devices.. but here there are lots of terms..
here is what i think i understand;
S-off= this means unlocking the NAND part to be re-writable i guess.. the funny part is; i want to root the device and i guess i have to S-off the device but it says in order to S-off the device you must have alredy rooted it? or i am wrong?
Hboot version=i think this is very important since we have to choose the methots according to this... mine is 1.27.0000
super CID= no idea what this is.. but i assume it has no important role on rooting..
and there is the bootloader unlock option= htcdev.com is doing it but they say if i do it my phone is out of warranty.. it is just a 3 day phone and i dont want to lose the warranty... and i also have read some post about it not being a complete unlock.. so any method other then offical HTC ones would be better for not losing the warranty (i am sure even if i lock it back when its necessary, HTC will still have the records of me unlocking my device and wont let me use the warranty) ..
and there is this guide on the development section, it is really helpfull but the date of it tells me it was before ice cream sandwich update and 1.27.0000 hboot version and some of the instructions confirms that... so i guess i need some other method to root my device ... (after everything i am not even sure if the rooting is excatly what i need)
long story for short; i am lost among the terms and instructions.. especially after i tried to S-off my device in order to root and learnt it needed to be rooted first in order to be S-off .....
so please help me with the terms and instructions..
thanks ..

Okay, root is not needed to s off.
S-off disables the security on your bootloader.
Supercid means you can flash any piece of software no matter what area or network it was intended for, as each one has a cid code that restricts the software to the network or countrys phone e.g. unbranded sensations cid is HTC__001 and Vodafone would be VODA__xx. Supercid changes your cid to 11111111 which means everything that is protected by any cid code will work on your phone.
Back to s-off, using revolutionary tool is pretty easy as long as you follow the instructions correctly but will not work on hboot 1.27 so it requires downgrading using an ruu or eng. Hboot 1.17 or finding another method to s off 1.27, once s off using revolutionary all you have to do is flash a custom recovery and then flash superuser and voila your rooted. But you can also s-off, install custom recovery, upgrade firmware to 1.27 and flash a prerooted custom Rom which obviously does the trick. Just make sure to keep a track of what firmware you are on and make sure it works with what your doing and the Rom you're using. Oh and htcdev unlock is not necessary as you can flash a firmware with a unlocked bootloader plus revolutionary also unlocks bootloader. And as far as warranty goes, once s off or bootloader is unlocked your warranty is VOID.
Hope this helps
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

Fİnally! everything makes sense thanks a lot..
so the first step is to downgrade to a firmware which i can S-off and unlock, then to get back to pre-rooted version of my current firmware..
so i assume just like i can downgrade, S-off and unlock, i also can upgrade, S-on and lock back when i need the warranty?

Almost firmware contains the radio and Hboot etc, to obtain root you just first s off on the downgraded firmware, then upgrade to an unlocked firmware that is for ics. The firmware for ics is 3.32 which contains Hboot 1.27 but of course you cannot s off on this version of Hboot. Then flash a pre rooted ROM once you have gone back to ics firmware using a custom recovery. Once s off, you will not lose it when upgrading to a new firmware. But to s-on is risky but if you manage to do it without semi bricking your phone and then flash a locked bootloader HTC will never know you've voided your warranty as long as your on an unrooted Rom. I will pm you a great link for doing this and explaining as I know this is confusing. I won't post it here because its on another forum.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

this really explains everything.. its just like showing the entire map and also telling the route.. thank you very much, you are the best

No problem if you could hit the thanks button I would greatly appreciate it
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

Return to stock

Hey Guys
I have a telstra HTC one xl which is SOFF, unlocked bootloader and 2.15 firmware. I am currently running KickDroid XL v4.10 and am looking to sell my phone. I don't really want to sell a rooted phone so I would like to take it back to a stock Telstra rom. I have posted a pic of my bootloader details. I hope it attached as this is the first I have posted here because I normally work things out by reading lots of threads before I do anything to my phone. Please correct me if I am wrong but this is the way I think I should do it.
Change the CID back to Telstra and run this RUU - RUU_Evita_UL_Telstra_WWE_1.89.841.9_Radio_0.18c.32.09.01_10.93a.32.20L_release_266699_signed.exe.
The things I really don't know about are, if I did this, can I get the updates to get to 4.2. and can I RUU that old version without any problems.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Looks like my pic didn't work.
First 4 lines of my bootloader
***UNLOCKED***
EVITA PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
CID-11111111
HBOOT-2.15.0000
RADIO-1.3a.32.45.16.2

You should follow these steps:
1. Run the RUU.
2. Change CID back to TELST001.
3. Relock the bootloader.
4. Change the phone back to s-on.
At this point you should be able to take updates to get back up to 4.2.2 again and sell the phone.