hi..
i am all stranger to HTC world.. i have been using galaxy s, s2 and ace.. things were easier when it came to rooting and flashing custom roms.. or at least there was less terms.. 3 days ago i bougth Sensation XE and since then i have been reading every page but the more i read, the more i get cunfused...
so, what i want is basically trying new kernels, OCing, using apps like setcpu or titanium backup etc.. in order to do these rooting the device was enough with the galaxy devices.. but here there are lots of terms..
here is what i think i understand;
S-off= this means unlocking the NAND part to be re-writable i guess.. the funny part is; i want to root the device and i guess i have to S-off the device but it says in order to S-off the device you must have alredy rooted it? or i am wrong?
Hboot version=i think this is very important since we have to choose the methots according to this... mine is 1.27.0000
super CID= no idea what this is.. but i assume it has no important role on rooting..
and there is the bootloader unlock option= htcdev.com is doing it but they say if i do it my phone is out of warranty.. it is just a 3 day phone and i dont want to lose the warranty... and i also have read some post about it not being a complete unlock.. so any method other then offical HTC ones would be better for not losing the warranty (i am sure even if i lock it back when its necessary, HTC will still have the records of me unlocking my device and wont let me use the warranty) ..
and there is this guide on the development section, it is really helpfull but the date of it tells me it was before ice cream sandwich update and 1.27.0000 hboot version and some of the instructions confirms that... so i guess i need some other method to root my device ... (after everything i am not even sure if the rooting is excatly what i need)
long story for short; i am lost among the terms and instructions.. especially after i tried to S-off my device in order to root and learnt it needed to be rooted first in order to be S-off .....
so please help me with the terms and instructions..
thanks ..
Okay, root is not needed to s off.
S-off disables the security on your bootloader.
Supercid means you can flash any piece of software no matter what area or network it was intended for, as each one has a cid code that restricts the software to the network or countrys phone e.g. unbranded sensations cid is HTC__001 and Vodafone would be VODA__xx. Supercid changes your cid to 11111111 which means everything that is protected by any cid code will work on your phone.
Back to s-off, using revolutionary tool is pretty easy as long as you follow the instructions correctly but will not work on hboot 1.27 so it requires downgrading using an ruu or eng. Hboot 1.17 or finding another method to s off 1.27, once s off using revolutionary all you have to do is flash a custom recovery and then flash superuser and voila your rooted. But you can also s-off, install custom recovery, upgrade firmware to 1.27 and flash a prerooted custom Rom which obviously does the trick. Just make sure to keep a track of what firmware you are on and make sure it works with what your doing and the Rom you're using. Oh and htcdev unlock is not necessary as you can flash a firmware with a unlocked bootloader plus revolutionary also unlocks bootloader. And as far as warranty goes, once s off or bootloader is unlocked your warranty is VOID.
Hope this helps
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Fİnally! everything makes sense thanks a lot..
so the first step is to downgrade to a firmware which i can S-off and unlock, then to get back to pre-rooted version of my current firmware..
so i assume just like i can downgrade, S-off and unlock, i also can upgrade, S-on and lock back when i need the warranty?
Almost firmware contains the radio and Hboot etc, to obtain root you just first s off on the downgraded firmware, then upgrade to an unlocked firmware that is for ics. The firmware for ics is 3.32 which contains Hboot 1.27 but of course you cannot s off on this version of Hboot. Then flash a pre rooted ROM once you have gone back to ics firmware using a custom recovery. Once s off, you will not lose it when upgrading to a new firmware. But to s-on is risky but if you manage to do it without semi bricking your phone and then flash a locked bootloader HTC will never know you've voided your warranty as long as your on an unrooted Rom. I will pm you a great link for doing this and explaining as I know this is confusing. I won't post it here because its on another forum.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
this really explains everything.. its just like showing the entire map and also telling the route.. thank you very much, you are the best
No problem if you could hit the thanks button I would greatly appreciate it
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Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?
dloulou said:
Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?
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The bootloader version number will be changed after alpharevx, to 6.something, to stop accidental bootloader down grading.
Ginger beak is the exploit that we use to achieve root, So it can be rooted!
You don't need gold card.
You're right in saying that you don't need root to flash custom, just soff and a recovery, CWM or EXT4
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
I don't see htc releasing unlocked boot loader to this device till at least late september as the schedule they've announced initially involves sensation and evo3d only
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA Premium App
Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
ben_pyett said:
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
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I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?
dloulou said:
Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?
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Yep, a pre-backup (a Nandroid backup) always helps and makes you feel slightly more secure when flashing!
Goldcards - I'm afraid that I'm not 100% sure about that.
A quote from @paulobrien @Modaco, "A GoldCard is a special SD card which, when inserted into your device, allows you to flash RUU (ROM Update/upgrade utility) files with a different CID to your own device. For example, if you own a T-Mobile branded device, this will allow you to flash a generic ROM."
As I don't own a network locked device I've never had to use one myself, so my knowledge about them is pretty thin.
Thanks, mine is also not a branded device.
Hi All.
Quick question, I have rooted my sensation and s-off'ed, sweet.
Here is me question, what happens if our friends at HTC update the part that made the s-off possible? Will we get the updates or will only the users who did not tinker with the firmware get them?
Cheers folks.
HTC has stated that there new HTC-DEV site will be where you will be able to S-off your device, its not gonna come in an OTA push, IMO revolutionary has got us S-off, so who care what HTC has coming for S-off....its a little late, besides if you S-off with HTC they want to document who is S-offing their devices.......eff em and just enjoy your no strings attached S-off.
Number 1...It is never a good idea to take an OTA on your phone if you have it rooted.
Number 2...OTA's may contain patches to exploits that were used to obtain s-off.
Number 3...OTA's may or may not s-on your phone depending on how the devs obtained s-off in the first place.
Moral of the story is if you want to maintain root never OTA
i own a sensation device
if i use this revolutionary tool to s-off, recovery and root, is it possible to s-on later? (e.g. to give my phone to htc service to be in warranty)
If i just use the ruuxxxxxx.exe for my device to put the official rom , the phone will be s-on again? or is there any other way?
and wht about official OTA updates? how is going to be achieved?
There is a way to to gain s-on again but it's risky atm. Look for the guide in the stickies in the development forum.
You will not get an OTA on a rooted custom ROM.. end of story!!
So enjoy
emm_stra said:
i own a sensation device
if i use this revolutionary tool to s-off, recovery and root, is it possible to s-on later? (e.g. to give my phone to htc service to be in warranty)
If i just use the ruuxxxxxx.exe for my device to put the official rom , the phone will be s-on again? or is there any other way?
and wht about official OTA updates? how is going to be achieved?
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Yes it is possible to make you device s-on again just be sure to follow everything to the letter and don't screw up. Also why would you want to. If anything permanently root it and stick with that.
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3
Bobguy21 said:
Yes it is possible to make you device s-on again just be sure to follow everything to the letter and don't screw up. Also why would you want to. If anything permanently root it and stick with that.
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3
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thank you
what about the other questions???
Sorry it took so long you cannot update when rooted. Because of clockworkmod recovery. But just install a stock bases ROM the has the update like I did. hope this helps.
HTC Sensation LeeDroid 2.3.4 Perm_Rooted
Hi,
I was wondering how you would root a htc desire s hboot version 2.0.0002 with S-ON. Another question I had was on htcdev where I would like to unlock the bootloader on my phone the 'S' model isn't listed. Would it come under the desire or other phone models? Thanks
take other phone models since its a desire s and not a plain desire.
if you got your bootloader unlocked u need to downgrade the bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318919
and continue with
http://revolutionary.io/
i didnt tried anythign of this yet but thats what id like to do with my desire s as soon as i got enough time
if youre happy with s-on you could go for the zergRush thing for temproot right after youre done with unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.
hope its correct. ive just started reading yesterady in here
€ or search for the superoneclick. same thing as the zergRush but much more easier to use
BeSeanB said:
take other phone models since its a desire s and not a plain desire.
if you got your bootloader unlocked u need to downgrade the bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318919
and continue with
http://revolutionary.io/
i didnt tried anythign of this yet but thats what id like to do with my desire s as soon as i got enough time
if youre happy with s-on you could go for the zergRush thing for temproot right after youre done with unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.
hope its correct. ive just started reading yesterady in here
€ or search for the superoneclick. same thing as the zergRush but much more easier to use
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OK Thanks For Your Help
is it dangerous to do this?
im no pro in flashing and all this stuff but as long as you follow the instructions there should not be any prob. if theres any high risk in bricking the device or anything there will be an extra warning i guess.
oh and one big nogo i learned by my friends phone.... never ever pull the battery
and you lose the warranty by unlock with htcdev.
Ok thanks is it reversable when the bootloader has been unlocked? Thanks
I have now unlocked the bootloader so how do i root now?
if you just need root, check this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390496
if u want s-off u need to downgrad the bootloader and go for revolutionary like i posted befor
€ and always edit your post if u need to add something . dont double post like you did
u just can re-lock your bootloader with htcdev but u cant go back to the normal locked. not 100%sure about this
how do i sim-unlock now i am rooted? and what is the point of installing a rom? Thanks
deadphone99 said:
how do i sim-unlock now i am rooted? and what is the point of installing a rom? Thanks
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The point of installing a rom is that they can be smoother and more customisable, they also get rid of a lot of the branding **** that comes with the pjone.
As for sim-unlock this has nothing to do with s-off or routing, you can pay to get it unlocked from ebay, Idid it yesterday and it cost me £3.99, so very reasonable.
would this be ok? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNLOCK-CO...ultDomain_3&hash=item3cc0e2889b#ht_3192wt_952
and what is a goldcard? I am new to rooting
Looks ok, I used this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unlock-Co...ssories_RL&hash=item2c611a04e1#ht_2693wt_1344
what is a goldcard? Thanks
goldcard allows you to flash RUU files with a different CID to your device.
what would you say is the best rom? Thanks
Hello folks,
as I don't' want to start a new topic I do hope to get a straight NO answer here
I got:
- Android 2.3.5 & Sense 3.0
- Build 2.10.401.8 CL156318
- HBOOT 2.00.0002
- Rooted with SuperOneClick
- Done Unlock with HTCdev
Is there a way to install a Custom ROMs without downgrading HBOOT?
RobaL4 said:
Hello folks,
as I don't' want to start a new topic I do hope to get a straight NO answer here
I got:
- Android 2.3.5 & Sense 3.0
- Build 2.10.401.8 CL156318
- HBOOT 2.00.0002
- Rooted with SuperOneClick
- Done Unlock with HTCdev
Is there a way to install a Custom ROMs without downgrading HBOOT?
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Thats the same as mine and I would also like to know how to install custom roms on my desire s as well
yes i got the same and also like to know how to install custom roms
I have read various guides, and eventually taken the plunge to downgrade my bootloader.
htcDev Unlock
Goldcard
Install oldest RUU
S-OFF using revolutionary
Flash CWM recovery
Backup Stock 2.33 ROM with Sense
Install CM9
Feeling quite pleased with myself, even though you guys have really done all the hard work, I've just followed the steps!
What I can't find is this;
If I go back to the Stock ROM and updates are offered OTA, if I accept, will this, not only bring me back to 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, but also change my bootloader back to 2.00.0002 Locked and S-ON ?
Unfortunately it will be *RELOCKED* and S-ON
Sent from my HTC Desire S
amidabuddha said:
Unfortunately it will be *RELOCKED* and S-ON
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What he said. If you wanted to remain "locked" and not "relocked" - you should have avoided unlocking the bootloader, and should have used temp-root for misc_version.
Ok, what are the inplications of being 'RE-LOCKED'
Like CM9, but get the feeling development stalled, also certain apps won't work Nat West being one, though I suspect that is to do with their development.
Thinking about going back to Stock. If I do this via OTA, my bootloader will be upgraded back to 2.00.0002, 'RE-LOCKED' and S-ON, then wait for official OTA upgrade to ICS, which seems not to be happening as per HTC announcements. Even then I may have issues with apps that haven't been coded to deal with it.
If I am 'RE-LOCKED' can I not use htcDev again, or am I stuck with the Official bootloader etc and unable to load other ROMS, or can I just repeat the processes I have been through already?
I have also been reading about unlocking with an XTC Clip, where would I get this done, Is this a better solution? etc etc..
No issues with RELOCKED except that your warranty is gone.
If you have no warranty you can go for XTC Clip, since permanent S-OFF will give you more freedom in terms of modifications. Personally I consider flashing boot.img separately each time as annoying.
As per the unlock again, it should be possible, but I am not sure if this can be done by a fastboot command or the unlock token has to be flashed again.
Sent from my HTC Desire S
When I unlocked mine I remember reading somewhere that the token would need to be used again if the phone was re locked. So I kept it just in case
so i managed to solve my recovery problem. i finally got twrp 2712 onto my device.
bootloader is unlocked
recovery on
superuser on..
hboot 2.15 s-on
i dont remember dealing with supercid when i rooted my old htc incredible.. from what im reading it allows us to use other carrier roms on the device?? im on tmobile and comfortable with that.. is modifying the CID actually necessary? im not planning on receiving any ota's n such.. just want the ability to flash radio's if need be and roms.. If i can skip CId and go to s-off that'd be fine with me, unless its needed for something else.. Will Ibe able to s-off without CID modified? cracking this ****er has been a little bit more difficult the past few phones ive had to do.. thanks much for the help..
As a noob, I installed CM 11 in February without s-off or super-cid (was too afraid to brick my phone). CM works great without s-off, but you need to flash boot.IMG on every update via fastboot.
I did s-off with rumrunner recently without Super-CID. Read my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56185478<br/>
so in moonshine i was getting nowhere.. i had no inclination that the Yes/No were case sensitive to be executed....
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