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[Q] A few questions about bootloader ...

Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?

dloulou said:
Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?
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The bootloader version number will be changed after alpharevx, to 6.something, to stop accidental bootloader down grading.
Ginger beak is the exploit that we use to achieve root, So it can be rooted!
You don't need gold card.
You're right in saying that you don't need root to flash custom, just soff and a recovery, CWM or EXT4
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
I don't see htc releasing unlocked boot loader to this device till at least late september as the schedule they've announced initially involves sensation and evo3d only
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA Premium App

Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
ben_pyett said:
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
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I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?

dloulou said:
Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?
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Yep, a pre-backup (a Nandroid backup) always helps and makes you feel slightly more secure when flashing!
Goldcards - I'm afraid that I'm not 100% sure about that.
A quote from @paulobrien @Modaco, "A GoldCard is a special SD card which, when inserted into your device, allows you to flash RUU (ROM Update/upgrade utility) files with a different CID to your own device. For example, if you own a T-Mobile branded device, this will allow you to flash a generic ROM."
As I don't own a network locked device I've never had to use one myself, so my knowledge about them is pretty thin.

Thanks, mine is also not a branded device.

[Q] Unlocking Bootloader

hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader iv tryed htcdev bootloader unlocking with no joy any ideas thanks in advance

DanOMac said:
hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader iv tryed htcdev bootloader unlocking with no joy any ideas thanks in advance
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Well since u went the revolutionary way ur all set to go as you got the best thing u can get, s-off. Plus I wouldn't even try goin the HTC route since I'm pretty sure it voids ur warranty(since they'll keep track of who uses it). And with the the revolutionary way, you can revert back to s-on if needed to send for warranty repair or sum
So go out and start flashing! (Well, roms ofcourse)
Sent by my feau gee

Thanks 4the info I only wanted it unlocked so I can change the splash image I will just have 2put up with the standard 1
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium

You can change it anyway if you're S-OFF - you don't need to unlock the bootloader

Any ideas how cos iv tried a few ways now with no luck
Catch up apple!!! Android is leaving you behind

after revelutionary S-OFF my sensation,,, i have flashed this file ftom this link int the first post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122053&highlight=eng+S-off
but be sure to read everything,,,,

piimp said:
Well since u went the revolutionary way ur all set to go as you got the best thing u can get, s-off. Plus I wouldn't even try goin the HTC route since I'm pretty sure it voids ur warranty(since they'll keep track of who uses it). And with the the revolutionary way, you can revert back to s-on if needed to send for warranty repair or sum
So go out and start flashing! (Well, roms ofcourse)
Sent by my feau gee
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It only voids your warranty if that (unlocked bootloader) was what caused your phone to malfunction. All other warranties on the phone stay the same.

DanOMac said:
hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader
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It's already S-OFF, which means the bootloader is unlocked. It's simply called two things - S-OFF and unlocking the bootloader are the same process/thing.

Cheers guys but I still can't change the dam splash screen
Catch up apple!!! Android is leaving you behind

Finally all sorted i went from s-off RL to ENG s-off RL which has sorted my problem
Thanks to all that helped !!!

[Q] confused with the terms.. need help with root

hi..
i am all stranger to HTC world.. i have been using galaxy s, s2 and ace.. things were easier when it came to rooting and flashing custom roms.. or at least there was less terms.. 3 days ago i bougth Sensation XE and since then i have been reading every page but the more i read, the more i get cunfused...
so, what i want is basically trying new kernels, OCing, using apps like setcpu or titanium backup etc.. in order to do these rooting the device was enough with the galaxy devices.. but here there are lots of terms..
here is what i think i understand;
S-off= this means unlocking the NAND part to be re-writable i guess.. the funny part is; i want to root the device and i guess i have to S-off the device but it says in order to S-off the device you must have alredy rooted it? or i am wrong?
Hboot version=i think this is very important since we have to choose the methots according to this... mine is 1.27.0000
super CID= no idea what this is.. but i assume it has no important role on rooting..
and there is the bootloader unlock option= htcdev.com is doing it but they say if i do it my phone is out of warranty.. it is just a 3 day phone and i dont want to lose the warranty... and i also have read some post about it not being a complete unlock.. so any method other then offical HTC ones would be better for not losing the warranty (i am sure even if i lock it back when its necessary, HTC will still have the records of me unlocking my device and wont let me use the warranty) ..
and there is this guide on the development section, it is really helpfull but the date of it tells me it was before ice cream sandwich update and 1.27.0000 hboot version and some of the instructions confirms that... so i guess i need some other method to root my device ... (after everything i am not even sure if the rooting is excatly what i need)
long story for short; i am lost among the terms and instructions.. especially after i tried to S-off my device in order to root and learnt it needed to be rooted first in order to be S-off .....
so please help me with the terms and instructions..
thanks ..

Okay, root is not needed to s off.
S-off disables the security on your bootloader.
Supercid means you can flash any piece of software no matter what area or network it was intended for, as each one has a cid code that restricts the software to the network or countrys phone e.g. unbranded sensations cid is HTC__001 and Vodafone would be VODA__xx. Supercid changes your cid to 11111111 which means everything that is protected by any cid code will work on your phone.
Back to s-off, using revolutionary tool is pretty easy as long as you follow the instructions correctly but will not work on hboot 1.27 so it requires downgrading using an ruu or eng. Hboot 1.17 or finding another method to s off 1.27, once s off using revolutionary all you have to do is flash a custom recovery and then flash superuser and voila your rooted. But you can also s-off, install custom recovery, upgrade firmware to 1.27 and flash a prerooted custom Rom which obviously does the trick. Just make sure to keep a track of what firmware you are on and make sure it works with what your doing and the Rom you're using. Oh and htcdev unlock is not necessary as you can flash a firmware with a unlocked bootloader plus revolutionary also unlocks bootloader. And as far as warranty goes, once s off or bootloader is unlocked your warranty is VOID.
Hope this helps
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

Fİnally! everything makes sense thanks a lot..
so the first step is to downgrade to a firmware which i can S-off and unlock, then to get back to pre-rooted version of my current firmware..
so i assume just like i can downgrade, S-off and unlock, i also can upgrade, S-on and lock back when i need the warranty?

Almost firmware contains the radio and Hboot etc, to obtain root you just first s off on the downgraded firmware, then upgrade to an unlocked firmware that is for ics. The firmware for ics is 3.32 which contains Hboot 1.27 but of course you cannot s off on this version of Hboot. Then flash a pre rooted ROM once you have gone back to ics firmware using a custom recovery. Once s off, you will not lose it when upgrading to a new firmware. But to s-on is risky but if you manage to do it without semi bricking your phone and then flash a locked bootloader HTC will never know you've voided your warranty as long as your on an unrooted Rom. I will pm you a great link for doing this and explaining as I know this is confusing. I won't post it here because its on another forum.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

this really explains everything.. its just like showing the entire map and also telling the route.. thank you very much, you are the best

No problem if you could hit the thanks button I would greatly appreciate it
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

[Q] One S Dev Phone with root issues

So I bought a One S from craigslist about 2 weeks ago. The guy said it was a dev phone. At the top on the case is a tag of numbers and letters printed on the phone. When I first boot the phone it has a HTC splash screen along with the text
"This build is for development purposes only. Do not distribute outside of HTC without HTC's permission. Failure to comply may lead to legal action."
Booting into the bootloader I get this:
*** LOCKED ***
VLE XC SHIP S-OFF RH
CID-11111111
HBOOT-0.90.0000
RADIO-0.14.31.22_2
OpenDSP-v10.1.0.31.0221
eMMC-boot
Feb 21 2012,14:27:31
HBOOT
<VOL UP> to previous item
<VOL DOWN> to next item
<POWER> to select item
FASTBOOT
RECOVERY
FACTORY RESET
CLEAR STORAGE
SIMLOCK
IMAGE CRC
SHOW BARCODE
Also it came with CWM 5.8.1.5 already installed. I tried to use Hasoon's tool to install a more recent CWM but it wouldn't work.
I tried to unlock the bootloader using the htcdev site and token and that didn't work.
I was able to flash it with the UTB ROM using the existing CWM and it works but I cannot gain root access even though supersu is installed and I add apps to its list.
Any ideas on how to get root access?

Looking at your HBOOT version it seems like the device is on early software. You're already S-OFF, so you can try flashing the official TMO release ROM and follow the guides on XDA to root.

hammondnav said:
Looking at your HBOOT version it seems like the device is on early software. You're already S-OFF, so you can try flashing the official TMO release ROM and follow the guides on XDA to root.
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I don't see the official release. There is a thread here that says T-Mobile USA Complete Rom but there's no link to the actual ROM.

I thought reselling of these phones can land u into trouble ?
I mean the development phones

what about busybox? there's an app to install that if you don't have it
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dude thats awesome
post us some pictures of the phone and the HBOOT menu
If you are S-OFF and supercid, the possibilities are endless... flash an ruu, that should bring you upto date with the latest firmware and software..

azzledazzle said:
dude thats awesome
post us some pictures of the phone and the HBOOT menu
If you are S-OFF and supercid, the possibilities are endless... flash an ruu, that should bring you upto date with the latest firmware and software..
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it wont let me post my photo album because i am still new so i am pm'ing you the link. what are some things i can do with this phone? i'm still a noob but a quick learner. so far i've only flashed a couple of roms. currently using black dragon's. still haven't gotten root access though.

dannyy2200 said:
it wont let me post my photo album because i am still new so i am pm'ing you the link. what are some things i can do with this phone? i'm still a noob but a quick learner. so far i've only flashed a couple of roms. currently using black dragon's. still haven't gotten root access though.
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You could talk to the devs in the development section (as soon as you have your 10 posts) und help them to get s-off with providing informations maybe.

yeah man that would be a great idea, PM some and see if you can help them as for getting the bootloader unlocked, Unless HTCdev isnt working, there isnt much else yet.
why does it not work ? what errors does it give ?

hmm seems that I'm lacking some knowledge ^^
Is there any necessesity for unlocking the bootlaoder if the device already has s-off? Thouht that s-off would mean no security and full system access.

S-OFF means the NAND partition is writeable, When its S-ON this partition is locked (Security ON ), so with S-OFF we can customise even further, Flashing Radio.IMGs and lots more,
With unlocked bootloader we can do things like install a recovery and flash Root.
the perfect scenario would to have S-OFF AND Unlocked Bootloader.

azzledazzle said:
S-OFF means the NAND partition is writeable, When its S-ON this partition is locked (Security ON ), so with S-OFF we can customise even further, Flashing Radio.IMGs and lots more,
With unlocked bootloader we can do things like install a recovery and flash Root.
the perfect scenario would to have S-OFF AND Unlocked Bootloader.
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Ah alright, I thought S-OFF would already allow to flash root.

nope usually when using an S-OFF tool, such as revolutionary, It will unlock bootloader at the same time..
surely theres someone out there can can do something really awesome with this developer phone !!

azzledazzle said:
yeah man that would be a great idea, PM some and see if you can help them as for getting the bootloader unlocked, Unless HTCdev isnt working, there isnt much else yet.
why does it not work ? what errors does it give ?
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well it doesn't give me any errors, and says unlock successful, and just acts as if it went ahead and unlocked, but when i boot into the loader it still says locked. weird.

hmmmm..
maybe theres a command you can use in adb ? Im not sure..
I know the command to relock is ''fastboot oem lock'' maybe ''fastboot oem unlock'' might do something lol.
i have no idea as with most things in my life

[Q] Root Help HTC Sensation w/ Stock ICS

Firstly I declare myself a noob for asking this but I want to be sure of what im doing before I do it.
Basically I want to run a patcher for a perticullar program on my phone however it needs root access to run.
Now my noob question is, what exactly do I need to do (is it just S-Off?) and can somebody send me a link with instructions on how to do this for my device.
I have a stock Sensation Z710e running ICS via OTA download on O2 (UK)
Android Version: 4.0.3
HTC Sense Version: 3.6
Software Version: 3.32.206.12
Any other info needed for definative answer just ask and i shall provide.
Thanks in advance for your help.

White-Ghost said:
Firstly I declare myself a noob for asking this but I want to be sure of what im doing before I do it.
Basically I want to run a patcher for a perticullar program on my phone however it needs root access to run.
Now my noob question is, what exactly do I need to do (is it just S-Off?) and can somebody send me a link with instructions on how to do this for my device.
I have a stock Sensation Z710e running ICS via OTA download on O2 (UK)
Android Version: 4.0.3
HTC Sense Version: 3.6
Software Version: 3.32.206.12
Any other info needed for definative answer just ask and i shall provide.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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two ways for you to get root
1.SOFF then one click root ..guide link in my signature
or easy way ..but probable (very slim) void of warranty
2. HTCdev unlock (chk this site unlock bootloader)
and the same one click root (guide in my signature)

You cannot gain s-off the normal way, kong story. You news to unlock bootloader via HTC devlock. This because u have ics stock, and therefore hboot version 1.27000. Them root and Them you van s-off via juponut...... something Luke that. Search and u will find.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

Hey Ruus77,
Pls note that you don't longer need to use HTCDEV unlock to get Soff.
the Juopunutbear has been updated. Just need to follow the tutorial on Ganeshp signature.
Rgards

ypsmav said:
Hey Ruus77,
Pls note that you don't longer need to use HTCDEV unlock to get Soff.
the Juopunutbear has been updated. Just need to follow the tutorial on Ganeshp signature.
Rgards
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Yes sorry I noticed just after post. Great news I am on the other hand now forced to wire trick since I HTCDEV unlocked my phone half a day before noticing the other way.
Regards and thanked

ganeshp said:
two ways for you to get root
1.SOFF then one click root ..guide link in my signature
or easy way ..but probable (very slim) void of warranty
2. HTCdev unlock (chk this site unlock bootloader)
and the same one click root (guide in my signature)
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Thanks for that, worked a treat.
Just a few quick questions:
1. When i boot up holding the volume down key it says S-Off however it still says locked at the top. I have managed to run the patch that needed root access so i'm guessing the phone is rooted fine.
2. Would it saying locked at the top pose a problem if i wanted to run a custom rom in the future and
3. Could i run a rom for the Sensation XL i.e overclocked processor and beats audio on my sensationand if so where would i find the rom?
Thanks Again

White-Ghost said:
Thanks for that, worked a treat.
Just a few quick questions:
1. When i boot up holding the volume down key it says S-Off however it still says locked at the top. I have managed to run the patch that needed root access so i'm guessing the phone is rooted fine.
2. Would it saying locked at the top pose a problem if i wanted to run a custom rom in the future and
3. Could i run a rom for the Sensation XL i.e overclocked processor and beats audio on my sensationand if so where would i find the rom?
Thanks Again
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2. you can change the locked bootloader to juopunutbear HBOOT..it helps or makes your process simplified for flashing custom roms
you can use the KGS tool (EDIT 3) in my guide for flashing the juopunubear hboot
3.Almost all roms comes with beats audio and heck you can over clock your processor
first start with ARHD..as it has pre guided guide on how to flash it
just follow the below guide post #2 (only post #2 ...don't worry of firmware ..you've already got what is needed ) to flash custom recovery and then ARHD (read the guide to the letter)
FLASH ARHD XE ROM
PS: there is a way to say thanks in xda