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[Q] A few questions about bootloader ...

Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?

dloulou said:
Hello,
I'm new to android and have been reading a lot. But not everything is clear.
With AlphaRevX you can s-off the desire s.
If you have 0.98.0000 and use AlphaRevX, will it still be 0.98.0000 or will it be upgraded to a higher number?
The desire s (gingerbread) can't be really rooted yet, only gingerbreak.
But to install a custom rom you don't need to be rooted, you only need s-off and goldcard?
Does anyone have an idea when htc will release a s-off tool or s-off bootloader?
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The bootloader version number will be changed after alpharevx, to 6.something, to stop accidental bootloader down grading.
Ginger beak is the exploit that we use to achieve root, So it can be rooted!
You don't need gold card.
You're right in saying that you don't need root to flash custom, just soff and a recovery, CWM or EXT4
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
I don't see htc releasing unlocked boot loader to this device till at least late september as the schedule they've announced initially involves sensation and evo3d only
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA Premium App

Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
ben_pyett said:
But you do need root to take the recommend pre custom backup
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I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?

dloulou said:
Thanks a lot, it is much clearer now.
I didn't know that.
So the only purpose of the goldgard is to downgrade the bootloader?
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Yep, a pre-backup (a Nandroid backup) always helps and makes you feel slightly more secure when flashing!
Goldcards - I'm afraid that I'm not 100% sure about that.
A quote from @paulobrien @Modaco, "A GoldCard is a special SD card which, when inserted into your device, allows you to flash RUU (ROM Update/upgrade utility) files with a different CID to your own device. For example, if you own a T-Mobile branded device, this will allow you to flash a generic ROM."
As I don't own a network locked device I've never had to use one myself, so my knowledge about them is pretty thin.

Thanks, mine is also not a branded device.

[Q] is it possible to have a root withour doing s-off?

Can i root my asian sensation and keep my phone s-off? If so, how?

Are you serious? Hurrp Durrp use the search.

of course not

S-off means writing to /system. Root requires write access to /system in order to get the app + 18056377243 binary.
So no.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

idan_mo said:
Can i root my asian sensation and keep my phone s-off? If so, how?
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geoffcorey said:
S-off means writing to /system. Root requires write access to /system in order to get the app + 18056377243 binary.
So no.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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Technically the answer is YES on the Sensation because you can use the HTC unlock method to install a custom recovery and flash Superuser to give your current Rom root access without going S-Off.
But using Revolutionary to S-Off your phone is the superior method to use and gives you more options in the future.

tpbklake said:
Technically the answer is YES on the Sensation because you can use the HTC unlock method to install a custom recovery and flash Superuser to give your current Rom root access without going S-Off.
But using Revolutionary to S-Off your phone is the superior method to use and gives you more options in the future.
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Using the htc method still gets you to s-off, and then end goal the person doesn't want.
You cannot write to /system without some sort of s-off. And the htc way is one of the two ways to get s-off.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

geoffcorey said:
Using the htc method still gets you to s-off, and then end goal the person doesn't want.
You cannot write to /system without some sort of s-off. And the htc way is one of the two ways to get s-off.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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Whatever dude. The HTC Unlock method unlocks the boot loader, but it still reports S-Off as indicated by several posts in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16865964&postcount=71
When you boot into the unlocked boot loader, the boot loader commands have
special access to some of the partitions such as /system, but you are limited by what the commands can flash.

yup. the HTC method while gives you s-off doesn't allow you to root the phone or install a custom ROM.

I had read through the user guide at XDA, about the uninstall HTC SYNC. Uninstall HTC sync is on HTC phone or computer or both?
It is Rooting method for Samsung Galaxy S2 and HTC Sensation is different?

jordontin said:
I had read through the user guide at XDA, about the uninstall HTC SYNC. Uninstall HTC sync is on HTC phone or computer or both?
It is Rooting method for Samsung Galaxy S2 and HTC Sensation is different?
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You only need to uninstall HTC Sync on your PC, not the phone.
Yes, the rooting process is different between SGS2 and HTC Sensation.

If i using Revolutionary tool to S-OFF and root the HTC Sensation, does it make changes on stock ROM, Kernel, driver (e.g 3G), etc?
It is Revolutionary tool compatible for all version of the HTC Sensation? Because i'm from Malaysia.
If my HTC Sensation got hardware problem need to claim warranty, can i unS-OFF and un-root it?

jordontin said:
If i using Revolutionary tool to S-OFF and root the HTC Sensation, does it make changes on stock ROM, Kernel, driver (e.g 3G), etc?
It is Revolutionary tool compatible for all version of the HTC Sensation? Because i'm from Malaysia.
If my HTC Sensation got hardware problem need to claim warranty, can i unS-OFF and un-root it?
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Doesn't change anything, you just get access to write to /system and all that good stuff. Yes revolutionary is compatible to all sensations.
You can also revert to s-on per the same guide to s-off.
If its a hardware problem that has absolutely nothing to do with software(like volume rocker falling off) then I don't c y it should b a problem claiming warranty regardless if ur s-off/on.
Sent by my feau gee

I understand that HTC will release a new update for all HTC device to unlock the bootloader.
Recently i just got an software update fromHTC. Software number is "1.45.707.1" running Android 2.3.4. It is this software number already unlock the bootloader?
If the bootloader already unlock do i need to S-OFF in order to root my HTC Sensation?

What are the different in between S-OFF and unlock bootloader?

jordontin said:
I understand that HTC will release a new update for all HTC device to unlock the bootloader.
Recently i just got an software update fromHTC. Software number is "1.45.707.1" running Android 2.3.4. It is this software number already unlock the bootloader?
If the bootloader already unlock do i need to S-OFF in order to root my HTC Sensation?
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The update itself doesn't automatically unlock the bootloader of all sensations...it only makes them compatible with HTC's unlock tool.
If you don't mind me asking, is there a reason that you seem to want to avoid the revolutionary unlock? It's generally regarded as the better method since its reversible and doesn't require you to reveal to HTC that you're unlocked.

I want root my HTC sensation on the safe way, so i need to do some research. Because i still new on rooting android device.
After S-OFF the bootloader, do i need to check compatible of baseband version and build number before i root the HTC sensation?
What i know is for Samsung Galaxy S2 need to check this.

jordontin said:
I want root my HTC sensation on the safe way, so i need to do some research. Because i still new on rooting android device.
After S-OFF the bootloader, do i need to check compatible of baseband version and build number before i root the HTC sensation?
What i know is for Samsung Galaxy S2 need to check this.
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IMHO, revolutionary is the safer method to unlock since you can reverse it for warranty purposes. Supposedly HTC will honor hardware warranty issues even if you use the official unlock but I can't confirm that (they did with my nexus one though). Why risk getting denied though?
AFAIK, all current bootloaders, radios (basebands), and ROMs are compatible with each other in the sense that it will work. Some radios work better with some roms but no combination that I'm aware of will result in a brick. It's not like the G1 days where you had to make sure that your radio was compatible with your SPL and flashing them in the wrong order would make the device unbootable.

So I will have to s-off with Windows and then I can root with my Mac ? Sorry for sounding dumb...... Just still stuck in iPhone land lol htc sensation with 2.3.4
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Forum Runner

You don't have to do anything to root unless you're going to stay on the stock rom. Custom roms are already rooted. To root a stock rom, you flash the root files from recovery, no pc needed.

moto211 said:
You don't have to do anything to root unless you're going to stay on the stock rom. Custom roms are already rooted. To root a stock rom, you flash the root files from recovery, no pc needed.
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I would like to check out custom roms ..... I updated to 2.3.4 and that should be ok ?
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[Q] Rooting HTC DESIRE S 2.0.0002

Hi,
I was wondering how you would root a htc desire s hboot version 2.0.0002 with S-ON. Another question I had was on htcdev where I would like to unlock the bootloader on my phone the 'S' model isn't listed. Would it come under the desire or other phone models? Thanks

take other phone models since its a desire s and not a plain desire.
if you got your bootloader unlocked u need to downgrade the bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318919
and continue with
http://revolutionary.io/
i didnt tried anythign of this yet but thats what id like to do with my desire s as soon as i got enough time
if youre happy with s-on you could go for the zergRush thing for temproot right after youre done with unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.
hope its correct. ive just started reading yesterady in here
€ or search for the superoneclick. same thing as the zergRush but much more easier to use

BeSeanB said:
take other phone models since its a desire s and not a plain desire.
if you got your bootloader unlocked u need to downgrade the bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318919
and continue with
http://revolutionary.io/
i didnt tried anythign of this yet but thats what id like to do with my desire s as soon as i got enough time
if youre happy with s-on you could go for the zergRush thing for temproot right after youre done with unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.
hope its correct. ive just started reading yesterady in here
€ or search for the superoneclick. same thing as the zergRush but much more easier to use
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OK Thanks For Your Help

is it dangerous to do this?

im no pro in flashing and all this stuff but as long as you follow the instructions there should not be any prob. if theres any high risk in bricking the device or anything there will be an extra warning i guess.
oh and one big nogo i learned by my friends phone.... never ever pull the battery
and you lose the warranty by unlock with htcdev.

Ok thanks is it reversable when the bootloader has been unlocked? Thanks

I have now unlocked the bootloader so how do i root now?

if you just need root, check this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390496
if u want s-off u need to downgrad the bootloader and go for revolutionary like i posted befor
€ and always edit your post if u need to add something . dont double post like you did
u just can re-lock your bootloader with htcdev but u cant go back to the normal locked. not 100%sure about this

how do i sim-unlock now i am rooted? and what is the point of installing a rom? Thanks

deadphone99 said:
how do i sim-unlock now i am rooted? and what is the point of installing a rom? Thanks
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The point of installing a rom is that they can be smoother and more customisable, they also get rid of a lot of the branding **** that comes with the pjone.
As for sim-unlock this has nothing to do with s-off or routing, you can pay to get it unlocked from ebay, Idid it yesterday and it cost me £3.99, so very reasonable.

would this be ok? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNLOCK-CO...ultDomain_3&hash=item3cc0e2889b#ht_3192wt_952
and what is a goldcard? I am new to rooting

Looks ok, I used this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unlock-Co...ssories_RL&hash=item2c611a04e1#ht_2693wt_1344

what is a goldcard? Thanks

goldcard allows you to flash RUU files with a different CID to your device.

what would you say is the best rom? Thanks

Hello folks,
as I don't' want to start a new topic I do hope to get a straight NO answer here
I got:
- Android 2.3.5 & Sense 3.0
- Build 2.10.401.8 CL156318
- HBOOT 2.00.0002
- Rooted with SuperOneClick
- Done Unlock with HTCdev
Is there a way to install a Custom ROMs without downgrading HBOOT?

RobaL4 said:
Hello folks,
as I don't' want to start a new topic I do hope to get a straight NO answer here
I got:
- Android 2.3.5 & Sense 3.0
- Build 2.10.401.8 CL156318
- HBOOT 2.00.0002
- Rooted with SuperOneClick
- Done Unlock with HTCdev
Is there a way to install a Custom ROMs without downgrading HBOOT?
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Thats the same as mine and I would also like to know how to install custom roms on my desire s as well

yes i got the same and also like to know how to install custom roms

How to root HTC Desire S Hboot 2.00.0002

Hi guys!
I did some research on how to root the Desire S with Hboot 2.00.0002 and I read that many had problems rooting the phone. I had the same problem since the revolutionary method doesn't support hboot 2.00.0002. This made the process a bit harder.
But here is what I did to root my Desire S:
1. Unlocked bootloader using htcdev.com
(I know that Desire S is not listed but if you use "Desire" it will work.)
2. Downloaded Superoneclick v2.3
(This version is included with zergRUSH and Superuser.)
I connected the phone to the computer in USB Debugging mode and opened Superoneclick. Pressed the "Root" button and the process began. After a minute or two the phone was rooted.
The only problem with this method is that the phone is still S-on. But I think you can flash custom roms and so.
I hope this will help you guys! Good luck

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koffert9 said:
Hi guys!
I did some research on how to root the Desire S with Hboot 2.00.0002 and I read that many had problems rooting the phone. I had the same problem since the revolutionary method doesn't support hboot 2.00.0002. This made the process a bit harder.
But here is what I did to root my Desire S:
1. Unlocked bootloader using htcdev.com
(I know that Desire S is not listed but if you use "Desire" it will work.)
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I don't know what the "Begin Unlock Bootloader" button on http://htcdev.com/bootloader/ is meant to do, but I tried clicking it (AFTER logging in) in 3 different browsers and it did nothing.
---------- Post added at 12:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:17 PM ----------
OK, the answer is that if you access the page at http://htcdev.com/bootloader/ the button doesn't work but if you access it at http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/ it does. Terribly designed JavaScript!

koffert9 said:
Hi guys!
I did some research on how to root the Desire S with Hboot 2.00.0002 and I read that many had problems rooting the phone. I had the same problem since the revolutionary method doesn't support hboot 2.00.0002. This made the process a bit harder.
But here is what I did to root my Desire S:
1. Unlocked bootloader using htcdev.com
(I know that Desire S is not listed but if you use "Desire" it will work.)
2. Downloaded Superoneclick v2.3
(This version is included with zergRUSH and Superuser.)
I connected the phone to the computer in USB Debugging mode and opened Superoneclick. Pressed the "Root" button and the process began. After a minute or two the phone was rooted.
The only problem with this method is that the phone is still S-on. But I think you can flash custom roms and so.
I hope this will help you guys! Good luck
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Well I did exactly the same as you but SuperOneClick just locked up at step #7 WaitForDevice. :-( No idea what's wrong.

jez9999 said:
Well I did exactly the same as you but SuperOneClick just locked up at step #7 WaitForDevice. No idea what's wrong.
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Sorry for digging up this old post, I am too suffering from the same problem.
Unable to go past the Step #7 Waiting for device
Looks like manu users are facing this problem (after going through SuperOneClick website), but found no solution.
Currently I have unlocked by Bootloader with HTC-dev, and I want to root my stock rom and back it up before trying any other custom rom.
Any help or suggestions on this will be highly appreciated. This is my first post in xda-developers hope everyone will be kind to me :fingers-crossed:
My Device: HTC Desire S (Android 2.3.5 Stock Unrooted)
HBOOT 2.00.002 S-ON
Bootloader: HTC-Dev Unlocked

abhishek2386 said:
Sorry for digging up this old post, I am too suffering from the same problem.
Unable to go past the Step #7 Waiting for device
Looks like manu users are facing this problem (after going through SuperOneClick website), but found no solution.
Currently I have unlocked by Bootloader with HTC-dev, and I want to root my stock rom and back it up before trying any other custom rom.
Any help or suggestions on this will be highly appreciated. This is my first post in xda-developers hope everyone will be kind to me :fingers-crossed:
My Device: HTC Desire S (Android 2.3.5 Stock Unrooted)
HBOOT 2.00.002 S-ON
Bootloader: HTC-Dev Unlocked
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I am facing the same problem!! Help needed.. I am sick of HTC going back and forth on whether Desire S will get an ICS update or not, suggest a fully functional stable rom too

cnkapadia said:
I am facing the same problem!! Help needed.. I am sick of HTC going back and forth on whether Desire S will get an ICS update or not, suggest a fully functional stable rom too
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If you're just interested in getting an ICS on your device then you can try this steps as you've already unlocked the bootloader the HTC-Dev way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525100
You can use any ROM as per your choice, my personal preference is Fallout:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679125
Be sure to check and read the threads properly before you jump in.
Note for anyone who can help me: Please let me know if there is a way to ROOT HTC Desire S (HBOOT 2.00.0002) HTC-Dev unlocked, so that I can backup my stock ROM first before trying out the custom ROMs. Any help will be highly appreciated.

abhishek2386 said:
Note for anyone who can help me: Please let me know if there is a way to ROOT HTC Desire S (HBOOT 2.00.0002) HTC-Dev unlocked, so that I can backup my stock ROM first before trying out the custom ROMs. Any help will be highly appreciated.
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Install a custom recovery like 4EXT in the guide you posted and from there flash superuser. I've attached the file you need.

[Q] confused with the terms.. need help with root

hi..
i am all stranger to HTC world.. i have been using galaxy s, s2 and ace.. things were easier when it came to rooting and flashing custom roms.. or at least there was less terms.. 3 days ago i bougth Sensation XE and since then i have been reading every page but the more i read, the more i get cunfused...
so, what i want is basically trying new kernels, OCing, using apps like setcpu or titanium backup etc.. in order to do these rooting the device was enough with the galaxy devices.. but here there are lots of terms..
here is what i think i understand;
S-off= this means unlocking the NAND part to be re-writable i guess.. the funny part is; i want to root the device and i guess i have to S-off the device but it says in order to S-off the device you must have alredy rooted it? or i am wrong?
Hboot version=i think this is very important since we have to choose the methots according to this... mine is 1.27.0000
super CID= no idea what this is.. but i assume it has no important role on rooting..
and there is the bootloader unlock option= htcdev.com is doing it but they say if i do it my phone is out of warranty.. it is just a 3 day phone and i dont want to lose the warranty... and i also have read some post about it not being a complete unlock.. so any method other then offical HTC ones would be better for not losing the warranty (i am sure even if i lock it back when its necessary, HTC will still have the records of me unlocking my device and wont let me use the warranty) ..
and there is this guide on the development section, it is really helpfull but the date of it tells me it was before ice cream sandwich update and 1.27.0000 hboot version and some of the instructions confirms that... so i guess i need some other method to root my device ... (after everything i am not even sure if the rooting is excatly what i need)
long story for short; i am lost among the terms and instructions.. especially after i tried to S-off my device in order to root and learnt it needed to be rooted first in order to be S-off .....
so please help me with the terms and instructions..
thanks ..

Okay, root is not needed to s off.
S-off disables the security on your bootloader.
Supercid means you can flash any piece of software no matter what area or network it was intended for, as each one has a cid code that restricts the software to the network or countrys phone e.g. unbranded sensations cid is HTC__001 and Vodafone would be VODA__xx. Supercid changes your cid to 11111111 which means everything that is protected by any cid code will work on your phone.
Back to s-off, using revolutionary tool is pretty easy as long as you follow the instructions correctly but will not work on hboot 1.27 so it requires downgrading using an ruu or eng. Hboot 1.17 or finding another method to s off 1.27, once s off using revolutionary all you have to do is flash a custom recovery and then flash superuser and voila your rooted. But you can also s-off, install custom recovery, upgrade firmware to 1.27 and flash a prerooted custom Rom which obviously does the trick. Just make sure to keep a track of what firmware you are on and make sure it works with what your doing and the Rom you're using. Oh and htcdev unlock is not necessary as you can flash a firmware with a unlocked bootloader plus revolutionary also unlocks bootloader. And as far as warranty goes, once s off or bootloader is unlocked your warranty is VOID.
Hope this helps
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Fİnally! everything makes sense thanks a lot..
so the first step is to downgrade to a firmware which i can S-off and unlock, then to get back to pre-rooted version of my current firmware..
so i assume just like i can downgrade, S-off and unlock, i also can upgrade, S-on and lock back when i need the warranty?

Almost firmware contains the radio and Hboot etc, to obtain root you just first s off on the downgraded firmware, then upgrade to an unlocked firmware that is for ics. The firmware for ics is 3.32 which contains Hboot 1.27 but of course you cannot s off on this version of Hboot. Then flash a pre rooted ROM once you have gone back to ics firmware using a custom recovery. Once s off, you will not lose it when upgrading to a new firmware. But to s-on is risky but if you manage to do it without semi bricking your phone and then flash a locked bootloader HTC will never know you've voided your warranty as long as your on an unrooted Rom. I will pm you a great link for doing this and explaining as I know this is confusing. I won't post it here because its on another forum.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

this really explains everything.. its just like showing the entire map and also telling the route.. thank you very much, you are the best

No problem if you could hit the thanks button I would greatly appreciate it
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