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Apple sue Motorola so they can't sue Apple ever again

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/apples-us-antisuit-lawsuit-against.html
You couldn't make this up, Apple are suing Motorola in the US so that, if successful, Motorola can never again take them to court (ever) for the patent infringements Apple specify. Not only that but if, as is expected, Apple win then courts in other countries are expected to also come down on Apples side in their countries Motorola cases.
As the article states:
"this is a very serious issue, and it could have major impact. Beyond presenting a good chance that Motorola will in the not too distant future be effectively precluded from enforcing its baseband patents against the iPhone 4S (and Apple products to be released in the near term), this could further increase the likelihood of serious antitrust trouble for Google-MMI in Europe and, in a worst-case scenario, it could reflect very unfavorably on Google-MMI's credibility in certain important circles."
The article then explains how Motorola, and Google (yes both companies), would also be liable to pay Apple damages for breach of contract and unfair licensing issues.
Seriously, how can you sue your competition so they can't sue you? I think that's just nuts.

The patent system is so broken and just needs a major overhaul. It's so disgusting how Apple is abusing this and the legal system. And taking someone's ability to sue and defend themselves is just insane!

It really frustrates me to see Apple do this I mean come on seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if apple wins this too since they seem to win most of there legal battle some how.

I think the biggest problem is these companies know that judges have no real clue when it comes to technology and they are using it to their advantage. Truth is I don't see them winning their no sue side of it. The truth here is that Apple is scared because Google is planning to sue them with the patents Motorola has and this is just a preemptive legal strike... but I don't see it working.
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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combat goofwing said:
What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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Funny you should mention that as they patented push notifications already.
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I Am Marino said:
The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA

AllGamer said:
They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA
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Apple has around $100 billion ...American debt is in the Trillions....in one month America spends around that much on the military/wars ...wtf are you talking about?
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I Am Marino said:
The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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The government would have to slap themselves first...its the system thats complete crap and broken.

Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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TommUK said:
Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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If apple buys out Greece they can then sue even more.
Why are Microsoft Getting away from all of this
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As much as I dislike Apple, they seem to have better lawyers. You would think Google has better coonections with all that money they throwing at lobbyist. Have them lobby to redo the damn patent system.
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Just when you thought apple was pathetic enough....

Apple lawsuit victory on HTC gone to their head and now they're suing samsung to to stop the release of the galaxy s 3 in the u.s, but i guessing apples motto now for competition is if u cant beat em, then sue them and try to get a ban on the product lmao
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57449407-37/apple-may-seek-u.s-ban-of-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-today/

Oh man dont get me started i will get kicked off this fourm but yeah that is old news the judge decided that he has more real world issues to deal with first so the case is being delayed but yea they arw trying.

I really can't stand apple! I have never and WILL never own an apple product! And if my kids ever bring an apple product into the house... their grounded lol!
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Business world is a dog eat dog world. But this news did leave a disdain taste in my mouth about apple. I do own an ipod because its like a monoply now when it comes to mp3 devices but thats as far as im going with apple products.
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Yeah I believe they're not going to try to ban the S3 as was their initial plan, they're just going to sue for patents. At the end of the day, Apple does rely heavily on Samsung for parts..
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F**k Apple, I refuse to own anything from them. Like, seriously...suing others because you have no innovation left. As for iPods, I use my Galaxy S2 for that...hense my really big sd card.
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I have a galaxy s2 with 32gb of storage and am soon to be getting a galaxy s3 with 80gb of storage ( 16internal + 64gb sd card) AND another 50gb of dropbox on top of that..to make 130gb of storage totaling... why in the world would I need an ipod? One device that does all
Btw I'm also very anti-apple. I will never own another product of theirs and one will not be brought into my house by wife or kids
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I'm not anti-apple but apple throwing out lawsuits left and right because they don't want competition seems childish.

Well when Samsung uses some of apples patented material what do you expect to happen? And their galaxy tab looked EXACTLY like the iPad and it comes in the exact same box with the exact same charger and you expect them not to sue? I'm not saying I hate Samsung and im an apple fanboy because I obviously own one a gsii and not an iPhone and will probably get the gsiii but don't go around yelling f**k apple when you probably don't even know what its about or because you just don't like them. They only sue because they are trying to protect their patented materials and they most likely won't win anyway.
Also this forum is for SGH-T989 discussions not GSIII and apple discussions btw.
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JPOKeefe said:
Well when Samsung uses some of apples patented material what do you expect to happen? And their galaxy tab looked EXACTLY like the iPad and it comes in the exact same box with the exact same charger and you expect them not to sue? I'm not saying I hate Samsung and im an apple fanboy because I obviously own one a gsii and not an iPhone and will probably get the gsiii but don't go around yelling f**k apple when you probably don't even know what its about or because you just don't like them. They only sue because they are trying to protect their patented materials and they most likely won't win anyway.
Also this forum is for SGH-T989 discussions not GSIII and apple discussions btw.
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because apple is the first to make square phones/tablets with rounded edges! such innovation! everyone elseshould make phones that are shaped like a circle!
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JPOKeefe said:
Well when Samsung uses some of apples patented material what do you expect to happen? And their galaxy tab looked EXACTLY like the iPad and it comes in the exact same box with the exact same charger and you expect them not to sue? I'm not saying I hate Samsung and im an apple fanboy because I obviously own one a gsii and not an iPhone and will probably get the gsiii but don't go around yelling f**k apple when you probably don't even know what its about or because you just don't like them. They only sue because they are trying to protect their patented materials and they most likely won't win anyway.
Also this forum is for SGH-T989 discussions not GSIII and apple discussions btw.
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I agree with this. With the announcement of the SGS3 Sammy debuted "S-Voice" which of course a direct rip off of Siri. And the original touch wiz tried to look like iOS.
I hate Apple as much as the next guy. I disdain their devices, I hate OSX with a passion(seriously the most illogical annoying piece of software ive ever used). But Samsung does copy them, and Samsung needs to stop or pay the price.

AznDud333 said:
because apple is the first to make square phones/tablets with rounded edges! such innovation! everyone elseshould make phones that are shaped like a circle!
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Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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JPOKeefe said:
Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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Its pretty hard to detract from a black bezel and aluminum back. There's a dozen different tablet manufacturers out there and I can't see a dozen clearly defined designs being made for something so simple. There's a million different pencil makers too and guess what they all look the same so someone better start suing someone
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JPOKeefe said:
Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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You have a link for that or any source?
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I will say f**k Apple, or did we all just forget the Foxconn issue like Apple did.(rhetorical)
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JPOKeefe said:
Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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Without a link to your source I call BS. A Samsung lawyer defending Samsung would NEVER say he couldn't tell the difference between a Tab and an iPad. While there may similarities, the single button on the face of an iPad (that looks like no other button on any other tablet) is enough to tell them apart. Or, if looking at them from the back, the Apple logo is enough.
It's not about Apple protecting their legitimate IP, it's Apple abusing a broken patent system and getting patents granted that never should have been allowed, then turning around and suing every company that is in competition with them, using those patents as justification.
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Never have and never will own an Apple product.
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Hmm, whilst I have a strong dislike of the iPhone and the Macs there's no denying that the iPad is the king of tablets and the iPod is the king of MP3 players (although why you would buy an iPod over a mid-range Android phone I don't know).

That is one reason why I will never own anything from Apple!!

Oskiee said:
I agree with this. With the announcement of the SGS3 Sammy debuted "S-Voice" which of course a direct rip off of Siri. And the original touch wiz tried to look like iOS.
I hate Apple as much as the next guy. I disdain their devices, I hate OSX with a passion(seriously the most illogical annoying piece of software ive ever used). But Samsung does copy them, and Samsung needs to stop or pay the price.
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Leaving aside previous products looking similar this news is about S3 which is not similar to iphone as it was designed to circumvent previous apple patent claims so in this case it is wrong of them to try banning it.
S voice is not a Siri rip off, its an assistant app and there are many such apps which also existed before Siri but we don't say Siri copied them anymore than we say a ford copies a ferrari because they can do the same thing and besides I don't think Siri is patented.
I agree Samsung have made similar looking products to apple but S3 is not one of them and apple just seem scared of the competition from it.
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Google Vs Apple the Facts

With All the legal wrangling going on Apple has made some pretty outrageous claims about how they did "XXX" 1st and Google copied them.
Well, here is some facts (proof) to refute the claims.......
See for yourself........
http://team-nocturnal.tumblr.com/post/26388747742/proof-apple-stole-from-google-boycottapple

Now Google needs to sue the hell out of apple.
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rolltide1995 said:
Now Google needs to sue the hell out of apple.
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Agreed
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oka1 said:
With All the legal wrangling going on Apple has made some pretty outrageous claims about how they did "XXX" 1st and Google copied them.
Well, here is some facts (proof) to refute the claims.......
See for yourself........
http://team-nocturnal.tumblr.com/post/26388747742/proof-apple-stole-from-google-boycottapple
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May your child be a masculine child. Nice to see it presented clearly for any idgets who are incapable of understanding facts in print. I can't wait until that patent is granted.

MissionImprobable said:
May your child be a masculine child. Nice to see it presented clearly for any idgets who are incapable of understanding facts in print. I can't wait until that patent is granted.
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Apple is going to sue for them patenting their stolen idea.
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Jealousy
I was an avid Apple user, switched to Android, and staying that way. I believe that Apple is upset that they can come up with an idea at the same time Android developers do, but android does it faster and better every time. When apple announced Siri, before it was even out; Android users had similar programs already such as Iris(Iris being created after of course).

We had Google Voice Search since uhh... the G1. September of 2008.

Nice
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So...is Apple going to ever stop suing?

Wth is wrong with apple? I feel like they are literally trying to stop the sale of Android phones with their stupid patents...do you guys think they will win the whole Galaxy Nexus case?

CC268 said:
Wth is wrong with apple? I feel like they are literally trying to stop the sale of Android phones with their stupid patents...do you guys think they will win the whole Galaxy Nexus case?
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They have won already. Google announced they are altering android to ensure it satisfies apples lawyers.
One thing being changed is searching. Voice search will no longer return local results because apples patent means only siri is allowed to offer local knowledge.
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mistermentality said:
They have won already. Google announced they are altering android to ensure it satisfies apples lawyers.
One thing being changed is searching. Voice search will no longer return local results because apples patent means only siri is allowed to offer local knowledge.
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Dam...apple will probably monopolize this business anyways...there going to make android much less desirable

What the f*** ?
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Can't innovate, litigate
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mistermentality said:
They have won already. Google announced they are altering android to ensure it satisfies apples lawyers.
One thing being changed is searching. Voice search will no longer return local results because apples patent means only siri is allowed to offer local knowledge.
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They won against samsung but lost against htc so there is nothing to worry
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I feel like if the patent system doesn't make serious changes on the Software side this is going to set a precedent for further "patent-trolls".

The only thing apple is good at is suing.

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They won against samsung but lost against htc so there is nothing to worry
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Its the nexus win that has forced google to change android so the htc case is not a factor now that google are changing the os apple have their first android change rather than manufacturer specific as htc win was when apple won an injunction before.
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I hope apple doesn't ruin android :crying:

The patent is a joke, like most.
I suggest Apple becomes the mascot for US Corporate Fascism.
Guess using your voice or any other human bodily input methods shall be patented next... Perhaps Apple travelled back in time and altered everyone's DNA? (Yes the iPhone 12 does time travel) They might have a case to settle with everyone then! We shall have to follow the Apple iBible in life then.
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Apple is sh*t seriously they gonna patent the **** out of every little thing they make part of ios ? Such as fonts ? I wouldn't be surprised at all
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Ha ha
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18709232
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Soon apple will monopolize phones and laptops and take over the world and our souls and patent them!

Apple is garbage, and that judge is an Apple fanatic
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angramenyu said:
Apple is garbage, and that judge is an Apple fanatic
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He/she obviously an apple fanboy lol i bet she does own one of those I**** that's why he/she went against google but hey despite that android gonna take the lead no doubt
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While I think it's stupid, it's not the judges fault. Their job is to make the decision based on whether the patent was infringed or not, even if they think the patent was stupid (haven't heard from the judge so I can't say what their personal beliefs on the matter are) if it was infringed they have to rule in favor of Apple if they believe there to be infringement.

I do not know why everyone is riding the judge for her decision. It is her job to interpret the law and use other cases as guidelines. Apple is winning in the US, but mostly losing in the UK.
But, yes, Apple is losing marketshare to Android. The more mature thumb optimized touchscreen smartphones become, the more options OEMs must give consumers. That Apple one phone a year model will cease to work magic and they will find themselves in a position they do not want to be in - no more of that high margin, one device fits all once a year, planned obsolecense all wrapped around a marketing hype machine.

Well when your backs up against the wall, thats the time to become creative.
Apple is only taking a little chip with the voice search on ics but google will fix it for now until they get that idea (like pull down notifications, Genius!!) and make apple and its customers jealous. Steve Jobs (rest in peace, great man) is gone and apple is stuck re releasing the same crap just fixed up. Ex. The New Ipad, better screen, faster. and Iphone 4s, faster, with some dumb virtual assistant. Only people like Samuel L Jackson use Siri like the commercial shows but all of us get bored within hours. Apple is staring at a blank page and the essay is due tomorrow. There really isn't any must have, new technology(like front facing camera or dual core processors, and 3d screen) out right now that would get people buying them instead of android. Android stepped up, with play and jellybean and there is going to be much more to come. The Gnex will be back in a week, badder and better than ever.
If i was Google Ceo and some kid like Apple wants a fight, I get Jellybean on every new device and most popular old ones, then pull youtube off iphones. but then again im not the Ceo.

f*** apple.... seriously, just f*** apple....
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Android R.I.P. - The Grips of Jobs' Dead Hands

Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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I am not saying this will happen, but is quite possible if the government doesn't block Apple in their tracks from doing so... (I think once Google Appeals, these parents will be made standard for touchscreens...)

deedscreen said:
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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If this ever happens i would rather go back to a flip phone or have none at all. I would never give apple any of my money.

I refuse to get an Apple device, but this won't effect available devices in stock or on eBay, so good Android devices will be very rare if this goes the way Apple wants... I'll tell you one thing, eBay prices for Android Devices will go sky high.... (used or not...)
Edit: I miss flip phones anyways, so I'll go old school if I have to...

i have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it. Apple, you do not own the world, you were not the first to create a "list" on an electronic device. If your so afraid of Samsung, then just build a darn phone with a bigger screen, i wont buy it, but tons of other people would. Fair competition is good for business, it keeps ingenuity alive and keeps engineers pushing the limits of what can be done. Competition is THE ONLY REASON we have the superphones we have now. If apple owns all the rights to make anything that even resembles a smartphone, we will have the iphone 4s renamed and sold as a new product for the next decade.
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.

it will never happen. Nothing to add.

Well some of what this says they currently have rights to like list view is bs because before the first iPhone was released I was able to use list view on Windows mobile for years. So unless I've miss read, something isn't right or maybe my aging memory is wrong.
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Bagbug said:
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I know you said nothing to add, but my point is Apple had been on a wining streak, so hopefully the government fixes this and makes these touch screen parents standard...

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it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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tjb433 said:
I have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it.
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...

tjb433 said:
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".

deedscreen said:
Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?

tjb433 said:
I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I have the HTC EVO View, while I am not a fan of HTC, nor the EVO Series, I don't regret the purchase... Now there is wayyy more support for tablets and specialized tablet UIs.... Now just make sure you get a high end one that will be upgraded to Jelly Bean... (It's not worth getting one on a data contract, as you can tether from your phone to your tablet...)
Note: The EVO View nor HTC Flyer will NOT Get ICS nor JB so don't even bother...

This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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androidaddict23 said:
This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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You couldn't have put it any better... This happened around the 17th of this month... and we (the public) have yet to hear of any response from Google...

This is for USA only other countries won't tolerate this bs. Only in the USA. Where they're are so proud of apple for outsourcing jobs that Americans badly need smucks.
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Android is here to stay. Google and samsung have some pretty good lawyers too. It's total BS that this kinda stuff even goes on. The only people getting rich on this are the lawyers. If they were smart, they'd sit across from each other at a conference table and make a truce and move on.
Now that Jobs is dead, it's just a matter of time before Apple slips into irrelevance. Nobody there has the passion he had about his company, and nobody is gonna defend it like he did.
That 40 billion they have will be squandered away on bogus patent law suits. Money that could have been spent on more cutting edge development. Everybody knows that patents are crap. Your better off not even applying for a patent and get the thing to market first. By the time they figure out what you did, you come up with something new. A patent application is an invitation and a headstart for everybody else to steal your idea. The company thats ahead of the development curve, and gets it to market fast and furious, makes the money.
Boo hoo...they stole my idea:crying:

Apple is a joke. This is what happens when they feel threaten by a competitor. I will give it to Apple the iPhone was a brake through, but since then Android came out and is user friendly with developers willing to make the devices better and faster more customizable. Making the Android OS just better period. Apple needs to realize there are other players in this game so step up as Android HAS. They know Android IS the future and their scared they will be left behind. Lol I laugh a Apple, I'm going to tell them like I do any young kid with a bad attitude grow up.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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The court should get sued for taking away our right to choose what we want to purchase. I will rather NOT have a phone or an old crappy phone than own a crapple device. I will order my phones through China or Japanese manufactures. but owning a crappy device I will not!

Good read here as well arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
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Oh and just to add a good question shouldn't someone sue Apple for using someone else's technology like LCD, LED screens, let them have the right to the patents a lot it would do them with a device with no screen.
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