I was having a discussion with a friend of mine over Android custom ROMs. His first android device is the nexus 7 tablet. I have the N7 and the NS. so anyways, we were talking about custom roms on android and he mentioned something about these custom roms on android to having lots of "bloatware." I wasn't aware of this, but I looked up what bloatware is and it is "disease" in taking up lots of memory. I'm new to flashing ROM's and I've noticed that my RAM consumption is much lower then it was on stock jellybean which i find to be very amazing.
So if there's lots of bloatware in custom ROM's you'd expect my RAM to be in very low shortage, but it's not, these custom ROM's have actually helped me in this case.
Any thoughts on this if its true or not? I'm not a pro; just eager to know everything
Bloatware is any unnecessary program taking up space in the ram or otherwise. Custom ROMs usually get rid of bloatware, but it depends on what you consider bloatware. MusicFX is bloatware to me, but it is included in most ROMs. It constantly uses ram, but I never use it.
Bloatware=unnecessary programs!
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And the big amounts of ram could also be because of bimem, or biggermem! Or highbigmem, or whatever does the trick these days!
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I see... So do you guys think he's justified in saying that the majority of custom ROM's add bloatware to your phone?
just remember your using a pure google phone running a bloatware free rom by definition, just take a look at OEM rom from other manifacturers, so saying custom roms carrying bloatware is just a little too orthodoxic too me, for sure there are skinned roms as kravind ones but this are trimmed to the essential parts as less languages support, no google apps, but I will not define this as bloatware
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I see... So do you guys think he's justified in saying that the majority of custom ROM's add bloatware to your phone?
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No not really justified. Devs add some very handy stuff to help improve your experience, but I've never had any unwanted apps.
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MRsf27 said:
I see... So do you guys think he's justified in saying that the majority of custom ROM's add bloatware to your phone?
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Not even close.
If you have a custom rom you are free to delete any files on the system you wish (not that I recommend that approach). Bloatware is obnoxious add-on software you can't remove, like Carrier apps.
He simply lacks the knowledge to differentiate actual bloatware embedded by manufacturers and roms made to suit different needs. Some roms will include additional apps to help ease the transition or to add additional features, while others will stay very close to stock. Manufacturer roms are often full of carrier apps and UI wise they will use their own custom one, often just to strenghten the branding. That's the kind of crap most people don't like. A stock "feel" is often more appreciated as it's more slimmed down and to the point.
Besides, having only a N7, he's pretty much bloatware free, and so is the Nexus S. Both are Google devices thus lack all the additional carrier crap, so you pretty much get the "best" experience IMHO as far as stock roms go.
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He simply lacks the knowledge to differentiate actual bloatware embedded by manufacturers and roms made to suit different needs. Some roms will include additional apps to help ease the transition or to add additional features, while others will stay very close to stock. Manufacturer roms are often full of carrier apps and UI wise they will use their own custom one, often just to strenghten the branding. That's the kind of crap most people don't like. A stock "feel" is often more appreciated as it's more slimmed down and to the point.
Besides, having only a N7, he's pretty much bloatware free, and so is the Nexus S. Both are Google devices thus lack all the additional carrier crap, so you pretty much get the "best" experience IMHO as far as stock roms go.
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Totally agree... he's an iPhone user so he doesn't realize the necessary programmes that need to run in the background for the os
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He is an iPhone user? OK that's explaining everything...
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No it doesnt. It was explained quite well by others in the thread.
You can easily make the case that the official ROM includes bloatware. Maybe not when the majority of people consider bloat ex. Carrier apps.
But there are many that consider other things as bloat. Such as ALL the Google apps that are available to download via the play store. Examples. Earth, books, currents, Google + and so on. To me that is bloat. It is stuff that is included in /system ( the ROM itself) taking up space that is not needed.
I don't have a issue with them doing it but to me that is bloat. Google bloat.
Edit - not it doesn't ? Fail
So true that's wat I like about custom ROMs they get rid of those useless Google apps
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No it doesnt. It was explained quite well by others in the thread.
You can easily make the case that the official ROM includes bloatware. Maybe not when the majority of people consider bloat ex. Carrier apps.
But there are many that consider other things as bloat. Such as ALL the Google apps that are available to download via the play store. Examples. Earth, books, currents, Google + and so on. To me that is bloat. It is stuff that is included in /system ( the ROM itself) taking up space that is not needed.
I don't have a issue with them doing it but to me that is bloat. Google bloat.
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Yeah. That's how I feel about all the Google crap they included with the official JB OTA. Those should be able to be uninstalled, not just disabled. It's not as if they affect the performance of the phone if they're uninstalled.
disabling them is insufficient
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Thank you for all of your hard work on the D2. With the X, the competition is stiff, and it seems/feels like there are more of us that "ended up" with a D2 out of a warranty replacement than actually made the decision to buy one.
With that said, I am formally starting a bandwagon for an actual "stock" Android OS ROM. None of this color changing, applications because i like them, better home screen, etc., etc., stuff. I want to see an "actual" Android vanilla ROM for the D2.
I can't be the minority in this request.
I appreciate all of the work that you guys do, I really do. If I had the time to invest in this, I'd build the damn thing myself, but I dont, so I have to rely on you guys.
Thanks.
I'm on the bandwagon.
I believe doing this would require cracking m-shield/efuse in order to get a custom kernel in place, which to my knowledge hasn't been done, nor am I even sure if anyone is actively working on it.
psionicalpha said:
I believe doing this would require cracking m-shield/efuse in order to get a custom kernel in place, which to my knowledge hasn't been done, nor am I even sure if anyone is actively working on it.
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i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
640k said:
i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
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If you root your device you can clean out the stock rom yourself. Follow the remove bloatware guide. Once you clean it out you can install launcherpro which IMO is the best home replacement out there. I believe it will be some time before there is a vanilla rom for the d2. We will always need the dialer and a few other apps that are tied into other blur apps.
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If you root your device you can clean out the stock rom yourself. Follow the remove bloatware guide. Once you clean it out you can install launcherpro which IMO is the best home replacement out there. I believe it will be some time before there is a vanilla rom for the d2. We will always need the dialer and a few other apps that are tied into other blur apps.
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removing "bloat" doesn't cut it for me. i'm already running launcherpro without root and it gets me by. the ROM devs are working hard to bring things back to normal and they're doing a good job. i just don't want to have to pick between a broken phone icon and a black notification bar.
i'm not asking for miracles. i recognize that most of blur is limiting this activity. that's why i'm asking for just a clean ROM. as apks become available and more of blur can be replaced, the ROM will get better.
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i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
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It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
i dealt with this alot with WinMo and i've avoided putting ANY ROM on my D1. blur is so terrible, all i want is my D1 one back.. but in my D2's body.
I think these ROM developers simply have no choice but to do the tweaks they've done because Moto services can't just be taken out, they have to be replaced instead of the original so the phone would still work.
We just have to wait, time solves everything, even Moto
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It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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640k said:
this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
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Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
640k said:
this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
i dealt with this alot with WinMo and i've avoided putting ANY ROM on my D1. blur is so terrible, all i want is my D1 one back.. but in my D2's body.
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I am like you. On my D1 I only used OEM ROMs that I modifed myself. I did the same to my D2 and it runs just like my D1. Their are only two differences. Backup assistant services is still running in the backgroud and I still have the messaging app. I removed all blur widgets and all the bloatware I don't need. If I can get rid of the backup assistant I would be very close to plain ROM. Once you remove everything you can safely you are not too far away from a vanilla ROM.
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Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have and likely never will.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
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Well said. This is not my first android phone either. I have also used Cyanogen and others. Root is more than enough for me.
Back in the day, the custom Roms were pushing us into new territories, giving us features we didn't already have; that was why I wanted them. Now I have everything I need with stock and root. There are so many replacement launchers, lockscreens, etc. Going vanilla is just icing on the the cake; if it ever happens at all.
All of blur's UI flaws and app quirks hardly bug me much at all; I can happily live with them if I have to. Overall, the Droid 2 is a great phone as it is ( with root of course ).
I think i might get my head bitten off for this but id be happy with a stock deoxed rom with the stupid bloat apps removed.
I've come to like the blur widgets and features, well except for the contacts sync issue with facebook.
jerseyh22accord said:
I think i might get my head bitten off for this but id be happy with a stock deoxed rom with the stupid bloat apps removed.
I've come to like the blur widgets and features, well except for the contacts sync issue with facebook.
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If you goto droidforums.net and in the Xeudoxus ROM section you will see the xultimate thread which is what you need to deodex a rom yourself. If you have the android sdk installed already it is not much work to do. Just follow the instructions and read through the thread for problems that may pop up.
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Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
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apparently you don't get it.
you're not reading what i'm asking. there are ROM devs out now, doing the work. they can debloat and use as many stock apps as possible (or as available). i'm not asking for miracles. i'm asking devs not to customize what they're doing.
i'm asking for standard looks, not black themes. i'm asking for stock apps, where possible. i'm asking for it to work.
don't come in here and thread crap because you don't understand what i'm saying/asking.
MotoBoy said:
If you goto droidforums.net and in the Xeudoxus ROM section you will see the xultimate thread which is what you need to deodex a rom yourself. If you have the android sdk installed already it is not much work to do. Just follow the instructions and read through the thread for problems that may pop up.
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I know, i did it before i ran 928droid's theme and epic's rom to change the text to white in the notification bar. Lost it when i restored my nandroid of stock but i could do it again. Just saying if i flash a rom i want it deoxed
I am working on this. Please just wait.
Newbie here. I have rooted my D2, but I haven't yet installed a new ROM. Is there any way that I can use a D1 ROM in my D2?
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640k said:
apparently you don't get it.
you're not reading what i'm asking. there are ROM devs out now, doing the work. they can debloat and use as many stock apps as possible (or as available). i'm not asking for miracles. i'm asking devs not to customize what they're doing.
i'm asking for standard looks, not black themes. i'm asking for stock apps, where possible. i'm asking for it to work.
don't come in here and thread crap because you don't understand what i'm saying/asking.
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Maybe I (and others) misinterpreted, but you said stock and vanilla multiple times.
Sorry, but I just don't take well to people starting threads like this. Either do the work yourself, contact a developer directly to inquire about their intentions, or sit tight and wait. It's this kind of "gimme" attitude in forums that scares away talented people.
What the hell? Do it yourself. Are you really acting like this because you don't like black notification bars? If it upsets you so much, learn how to change it. Requests are fine. Acting indignant because you don't know what "I want a vanilla ROM" means is rude.
Can you tell me the benefit or the main reason(s) why you rooted your Inspire?
My main reasons are the ability to change whatever I want. And better battery life.
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Are you serious?
Not to sound mean, but have you ever searched Google or this forum before you thought of asking?
There is tons of information on here... just sayin
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Dinman said:
Are you serious?
Not to sound mean, but have you ever searched Google or this forum before you thought of asking?
There is tons of information on here... just sayin
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Yes I searched. There are no search words that will return results showing specific reasons why a member prefers a custom rom over the stock rom. In older devices a custom ROM would allow you to tether for free, remove bloatware to make room for 3rd party applications, remove buggy 2nd party software, remove unnecessary apps to allow the system to run faster, allow the customization of the UI when it was otherwise un-modifiable or fix glitches that made it through testing on the stock ROM but that doesn't seem to be needed on the Inspire. This is the first device I haven't hacked because so far it seems to be unnecessary. I could read custom ROM threads all day but finding a post where a user cited an issue relieved by using a custom ROM or a major benefit (that's not a trivial figment of their imagination) would be one heck of a needle in a haystack search. So it would be great to get this specific info into a thread.
Custom Roms.
jamespaulritter said:
Yes I searched. There are no search words that will return results showing specific reasons why a member prefers a custom rom over the stock rom. In older devices a custom ROM would allow you to tether for free, remove bloatware to make room for 3rd party applications, remove buggy 2nd party software, remove unnecessary apps to allow the system to run faster, allow the customization of the UI when it was otherwise un-modifiable or fix glitches that made it through testing on the stock ROM but that doesn't seem to be needed on the Inspire. This is the first device I haven't hacked because so far it seems to be unnecessary. I could read custom ROM threads all day but finding a post where a user cited an issue relieved by using a custom ROM or a major benefit (that's not a trivial figment of their imagination) would be one heck of a needle in a haystack search. So it would be great to get this specific info into a thread.
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I prefer stock Android to sense and hate bloatware. I won't buy a phone now until cm7 is available.
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jamespaulritter said:
Yes I searched. There are no search words that will return results showing specific reasons why a member prefers a custom rom over the stock rom. In older devices a custom ROM would allow you to tether for free, remove bloatware to make room for 3rd party applications, remove buggy 2nd party software, remove unnecessary apps to allow the system to run faster, allow the customization of the UI when it was otherwise un-modifiable or fix glitches that made it through testing on the stock ROM but that doesn't seem to be needed on the Inspire. This is the first device I haven't hacked because so far it seems to be unnecessary. I could read custom ROM threads all day but finding a post where a user cited an issue relieved by using a custom ROM or a major benefit (that's not a trivial figment of their imagination) would be one heck of a needle in a haystack search. So it would be great to get this specific info into a thread.
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wait, what? All the things you just said that aren't needed in the stock rom without rooting are actually all reasons why people root the inspire. If you have found another way to remove bloatware without rooting please pass on that information so that those who simply rooted to remove the bloatware can do so without having to go through the entire rooting process. Without rooting you there are a lot of helpful apps you can't run, you can't remove bloatware, you really can't customize anything significant in the UI..I mean really the only reason why I rooted was to remove the pesky bloatware (sorry I just hate looking at blockbuster apps and that stupid teeter game)...the added bonuses of full customization in AOSP roms and the ability to have the performance tweaks in every other rom/kernel just made the decision easier. If you like the stock rom and see nothing wrong..keep on moving, no reason to fix something that isn't broke...I just like having full control over my device..it's for some, it's not for everyone..just my .02 cents
MMM-BACONSTRIPS said:
wait, what? All the things you just said that aren't needed in the stock rom without rooting are actually all reasons why people root the inspire. If you have found another way to remove bloatware without rooting please pass on that information so that those who simply rooted to remove the bloatware can do so without having to go through the entire rooting process. Without rooting you there are a lot of helpful apps you can't run, you can't remove bloatware, you really can't customize anything significant in the UI..I mean really the only reason why I rooted was to remove the pesky bloatware (sorry I just hate looking at blockbuster apps and that stupid teeter game)...the added bonuses of full customization in AOSP roms and the ability to have the performance tweaks in every other rom/kernel just made the decision easier. If you like the stock rom and see nothing wrong..keep on moving, no reason to fix something that isn't broke...I just like having full control over my device..it's for some, it's not for everyone..just my .02 cents
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+1, pretty much summed up my response.
MMM-BACONSTRIPS said:
wait, what? All the things you just said that aren't needed in the stock rom without rooting are actually all reasons why people root the inspire. If you have found another way to remove bloatware without rooting please pass on that information so that those who simply rooted to remove the bloatware can do so without having to go through the entire rooting process. Without rooting you there are a lot of helpful apps you can't run, you can't remove bloatware, you really can't customize anything significant in the UI..I mean really the only reason why I rooted was to remove the pesky bloatware (sorry I just hate looking at blockbuster apps and that stupid teeter game)...the added bonuses of full customization in AOSP roms and the ability to have the performance tweaks in every other rom/kernel just made the decision easier. If you like the stock rom and see nothing wrong..keep on moving, no reason to fix something that isn't broke...I just like having full control over my device..it's for some, it's not for everyone..just my .02 cents
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Thanks, I agree. I hate seeing the blockbuster app. I actually went looking for an Obfuscate app to hide it. We use to have to remove the bloatware to make room for 3rd party apps because there was limited ROM. Meaning back in the day we got '32 megs, 64 megs' whatever for apps we wanted so we had to remove bloatware. Its not the issue it once was because now we get 1Gb, 2GB...... The reason I'm asking is because I was thinking of rooting so I could tether reverse wifi. So i'm looking for reasons to take the plunge.
rooting my inspire has made it like a completely different phone. actually, each custom rom is almost a new device itself.
but as far as perks, i like the better battery life, full customization, speed increases (data, smoothness, overclocking, etc.), constant updates, and just the joy of trying out different roms. the definite BEST perk of them all is the simple fact that you can find support for each rom from their respectful devs (not all, but the majority of the popular roms out there). HTC and the various service providers always have terrible support.
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Thanks, I agree. I hate seeing the blockbuster app. I actually went looking for an Obfuscate app to hide it. We use to have to remove the bloatware to make room for 3rd party apps because there was limited ROM. Meaning back in the day we got '32 megs, 64 megs' whatever for apps we wanted so we had to remove bloatware. Its not the issue it once was because now we get 1Gb, 2GB...... The reason I'm asking is because I was thinking of rooting so I could tether reverse wifi. So i'm looking for reasons to take the plunge.
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Yeah man, the droid milestone (the first smartphone from HTC that I remember having) was awesome in regards to bloatware. I was able to remove pretty much anything I wanted, not the case now unfortunately . Pretty much the benefits of rooting are that you get full control of your device, in pretty much every aspect. As for tethering, I'm not 100% that its supported in every ROM but I'm pretty sure there are some out there, if that's what your immediate reason for rooting is I would say start asking in the Q&A in each ROM or hopefully someone else can chime in to help you out. Like I said I rooted to get rid of the dumb bloatware, getting the performance tweaks, battery life, and customization (for most roms but more so in the AOSP ROMs) were just added bonuses
Take control of your device. Imagine being locked out of the C: drive on your computer.
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jamespaulritter said:
Thanks, I agree. I hate seeing the blockbuster app. I actually went looking for an Obfuscate app to hide it. We use to have to remove the bloatware to make room for 3rd party apps because there was limited ROM. Meaning back in the day we got '32 megs, 64 megs' whatever for apps we wanted so we had to remove bloatware. Its not the issue it once was because now we get 1Gb, 2GB...... The reason I'm asking is because I was thinking of rooting so I could tether reverse wifi. So i'm looking for reasons to take the plunge.
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Oh just root it already! When you use the Ace hack kit, you can't even tell it's rooted. If you like it just the way it is you can keep it that way. If you don't, try some different ROMs. You can always flash the stock ROM back (or restore it if you backed it up).
If you don't have a huge desire to root, it may not be the thing for you. I'd still recommend rooting though, you wouldn't regret it.
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If you don't have a huge desire to root, it may not be the thing for you. I'd still recommend rooting though, you wouldn't regret it.
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You'll be thinking about rooting it until you do.
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I have CM10, i would like S-memo and other stock apps like S-voice. They were removed when i flashed a new rom. I would like to know where I could get the apks and also how to install them.
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Not sure about this, but did you try the PlayStore? What Rom are you using btw?
Maybe you should check around the forums. This question is asked so much. Touchwiz Apps stay on Touchwiz Roms. They will never come to CM10.
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Maybe you should check around the forums. This question is asked so much. Touchwiz Apps stay on Touchwiz Roms. There will never come to CM10
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I dunno - never happen is like the anti-xda attitude.
I agree with you over the search bit, for sure, and the presentation of the OP lends to the belief that said poster os underprepared for the amount of work and frustration involved in making it happen...
...but...
...there is no reason why the necessary frameworks and software packages couldn't be wrapped up in a self contained installer (.apk) granting the use of the stock apps on an individual basis.
I mean, you are talking about a lifetimes worth of work and a horribly bloated and obscenely huge. apk file, and kinda silly just to get s-memo in my opinion.
But far from impossible and someone with the right level of coding expertise and time to kill could whip it out in a summer or so
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I dunno - never happen is like the anti-xda attitude.
I agree with you over the search bit, for sure, and the presentation of the OP lends to the belief that said poster os underprepared for the amount of work and frustration involved in making it happen...
...but...
...there is no reason why the necessary frameworks and software packages couldn't be wrapped up in a self contained installer (.apk) granting the use of the stock apps on an individual basis.
I mean, you are talking about a lifetimes worth of work and a horribly bloated and obscenely huge. apk file, and kinda silly just to get s-memo in my opinion.
But far from impossible and someone with the right level of coding expertise and time to kill could whip it out in a summer or so
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Im pretty sure it won't happen though. The reason most of us run AOSP Roms is because we don't want bloated apps and sluggish skins.
fr8cture said:
Im pretty sure it won't happen though. The reason most of us run AOSP Roms is because we don't want bloated apps and sluggish skins.
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Agreed, I have no interest in making it happen.
The people interested in doing so on my old device lacked the skill/dedication to do so, and so it ws either sense based rom or not.
Seems like it'll be the same here - tw based rom for stock apps or lose them to get a more natural build. Don't think anyone capable of making it happen is interested in doing so.
If what your looking for is not in the play store or in Samsung's horrible app store, you are most likely not going to find it. I agree with everyone above, developers work hard to get that bloat out of operating systems, unlikely there are hacked versions. Now I cannot confirm if this will work, but if you backed up your apps with titanium on the original rom, all the stock bloat apps are there and could technically be restored on a new rom, but I don't know. Do not attempt that unless someone here gives a definitive yes that it will work! I'm sure anyways that any stock application has a play store equivalent. It's all about the research!
I'm curious as to what advantages / disadvantages I'd get from a custom rom.
I have Googled this many times and spent many hours reading up on it but still can't see the point.
Updates - I know there'd be more frequent updates, but there'd also be more frequent bugs. I seem to read a lot that certain things (even big things like the camera) won't work on some popular handsets.
Features - If I want some specific feature, I'm sure I could find an app for it.
Themes - I've always run a third party launcher and they're easy to find new themes for.
Performance / battery life - This is the only benefit I can see to a custom rom, although some battery saving aspects could be achieved on a stock rom (I mean by being smart, not by using Juice Defender or some equivalent.
Am I totally wrong in my thinking?
paulschofield76 said:
I'm curious as to what advantages / disadvantages I'd get from a custom rom.
I have Googled this many times and spent many hours reading up on it but still can't see the point.
Updates - I know there'd be more frequent updates, but there'd also be more frequent bugs. I seem to read a lot that certain things (even big things like the camera) won't work on some popular handsets.
Features - If I want some specific feature, I'm sure I could find an app for it.
Themes - I've always run a third party launcher and they're easy to find new themes for.
Performance / battery life - This is the only benefit I can see to a custom rom, although some battery saving aspects could be achieved on a stock rom (I mean by being smart, not by using Juice Defender or some equivalent.
Am I totally wrong in my thinking?
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Just depends on what you want. I can say there are stable custom roms for most devices, so they should be any more buggy than stock. And you won't find some features of custom roms in the play store.
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paulschofield76 said:
I'm curious as to what advantages / disadvantages I'd get from a custom rom.
I have Googled this many times and spent many hours reading up on it but still can't see the point.
Updates - I know there'd be more frequent updates, but there'd also be more frequent bugs. I seem to read a lot that certain things (even big things like the camera) won't work on some popular handsets.
Features - If I want some specific feature, I'm sure I could find an app for it.
Themes - I've always run a third party launcher and they're easy to find new themes for.
Performance / battery life - This is the only benefit I can see to a custom rom, although some battery saving aspects could be achieved on a stock rom (I mean by being smart, not by using Juice Defender or some equivalent.
Am I totally wrong in my thinking?
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"Features - If I want some specific feature, I'm sure I could find an app for it."
Top lel (you couldn't, for many things)
"Themes - I've always run a third party launcher and they're easy to find new themes for. "
Double top lel (you're not themeing your system - install xposed)
Anyways, PA is really useful for testing multiple layouts (phone, phablet, tablet, etc), if you're a developer.
One of the best and biggest features of running a custom ROM is getting the latest version of Android that could take months and months to be released on your handset by your carrier, if at all.
The next thing is the removal of bloatware that some versions come with and that is added on by your service provider. Baby you get better freedom and up to date software.
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Ur device will be having few extra features which are suppressed in stock rom.But when we use custom rom they are exhibited out.
LIKE camera,if in stock rom the camera is not so good,in costom rom it seems better due to some mods and tweaks..:thumbup:
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There are few disadvantages like unsupported features, but in final versions nearly everything works.
Custom ROM's have little effect in battery life.
The kernel is much more important regarding this.
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paulschofield76 said:
I'm curious as to what advantages / disadvantages I'd get from a custom rom.
I have Googled this many times and spent many hours reading up on it but still can't see the point.
Updates - I know there'd be more frequent updates, but there'd also be more frequent bugs. I seem to read a lot that certain things (even big things like the camera) won't work on some popular handsets.
Features - If I want some specific feature, I'm sure I could find an app for it.
Themes - I've always run a third party launcher and they're easy to find new themes for.
Performance / battery life - This is the only benefit I can see to a custom rom, although some battery saving aspects could be achieved on a stock rom (I mean by being smart, not by using Juice Defender or some equivalent.
Am I totally wrong in my thinking?
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Why? Because we can; for curiosity and knowledge. Why do people watercool their PC? When you think about it, there is actually little perceptible benefit. Why do people decide to own guns (In America)? They don't need a reason because it is a right.
I tried disabling some of the bloat like S-health, weather daemon, Galaxy Apps etc but haven't seen any difference in battery life as such compared to running stock out of the box. What are you guys doing?
Ram isn't an issue because most of the bloat doesn't show up in the running apps unless you specifically launch it.
I no longer seem to have the time to tinker with these phones the way I did all the way from the S1-5.... The phone runs exactly the same way without doing any of the disabling atleast in my opinion. Would appreciate any thoughts..
Unrooted S6 here.
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It does
twisted_mind said:
I tried disabling some of the bloat like S-health, weather daemon, Galaxy Apps etc but haven't seen any difference in battery life as such compared to running stock out of the box. What are you guys doing?
Ram isn't an issue because most of the bloat doesn't show up in the running apps unless you specifically launch it.
I no longer seem to have the time to tinker with these phones the way I did all the way from the S1-5.... The phone runs exactly the same way without doing any of the disabling atleast in my opinion. Would appreciate any thoughts..
Unrooted S6 here.
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Ya know, I have wondered in the past about this. Especially when TW won't let me disable something. If I root and disable it, will that actually slow me down? (Because TW is looking for it.) I know the XDA "party-line" is that it does help, but I remain doubtful. I can't tell you how many times I have run debloated Roms only to return to Stock and be surprised by how smooth it is... I will still root eventually though to get rid of certain nags...But I wonder.
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Ya know, I have wondered in the past about this. Especially when TW won't let me disable something. If I root and disable it, will that actually slow me down? (Because TW is looking for it.) I know the XDA "party-line" is that it does help, but I remain doubtful. I can't tell you how many times I have run debloated Roms only to return to Stock and be surprised by how smooth it is... I will still root eventually though to get rid of certain nags...But I wonder.
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Exactly my thoughts.... So i'm not the only one here who thinks like i do
I think disabling certain processes and services that weren't intended to be suspended, not only not makes a difference from my own experience, but can also cause instability.