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Dear ROM Devs...

Thank you for all of your hard work on the D2. With the X, the competition is stiff, and it seems/feels like there are more of us that "ended up" with a D2 out of a warranty replacement than actually made the decision to buy one.
With that said, I am formally starting a bandwagon for an actual "stock" Android OS ROM. None of this color changing, applications because i like them, better home screen, etc., etc., stuff. I want to see an "actual" Android vanilla ROM for the D2.
I can't be the minority in this request.
I appreciate all of the work that you guys do, I really do. If I had the time to invest in this, I'd build the damn thing myself, but I dont, so I have to rely on you guys.
Thanks.

I'm on the bandwagon.

I believe doing this would require cracking m-shield/efuse in order to get a custom kernel in place, which to my knowledge hasn't been done, nor am I even sure if anyone is actively working on it.

psionicalpha said:
I believe doing this would require cracking m-shield/efuse in order to get a custom kernel in place, which to my knowledge hasn't been done, nor am I even sure if anyone is actively working on it.
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i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.

640k said:
i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
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If you root your device you can clean out the stock rom yourself. Follow the remove bloatware guide. Once you clean it out you can install launcherpro which IMO is the best home replacement out there. I believe it will be some time before there is a vanilla rom for the d2. We will always need the dialer and a few other apps that are tied into other blur apps.

MotoBoy said:
If you root your device you can clean out the stock rom yourself. Follow the remove bloatware guide. Once you clean it out you can install launcherpro which IMO is the best home replacement out there. I believe it will be some time before there is a vanilla rom for the d2. We will always need the dialer and a few other apps that are tied into other blur apps.
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removing "bloat" doesn't cut it for me. i'm already running launcherpro without root and it gets me by. the ROM devs are working hard to bring things back to normal and they're doing a good job. i just don't want to have to pick between a broken phone icon and a black notification bar.
i'm not asking for miracles. i recognize that most of blur is limiting this activity. that's why i'm asking for just a clean ROM. as apks become available and more of blur can be replaced, the ROM will get better.

640k said:
i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
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It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.

facelessuser said:
It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
i dealt with this alot with WinMo and i've avoided putting ANY ROM on my D1. blur is so terrible, all i want is my D1 one back.. but in my D2's body.

I think these ROM developers simply have no choice but to do the tweaks they've done because Moto services can't just be taken out, they have to be replaced instead of the original so the phone would still work.
We just have to wait, time solves everything, even Moto

facelessuser said:
It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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640k said:
this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
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Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.

640k said:
this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
i dealt with this alot with WinMo and i've avoided putting ANY ROM on my D1. blur is so terrible, all i want is my D1 one back.. but in my D2's body.
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I am like you. On my D1 I only used OEM ROMs that I modifed myself. I did the same to my D2 and it runs just like my D1. Their are only two differences. Backup assistant services is still running in the backgroud and I still have the messaging app. I removed all blur widgets and all the bloatware I don't need. If I can get rid of the backup assistant I would be very close to plain ROM. Once you remove everything you can safely you are not too far away from a vanilla ROM.

karnovaran said:
Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have and likely never will.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
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Well said. This is not my first android phone either. I have also used Cyanogen and others. Root is more than enough for me.
Back in the day, the custom Roms were pushing us into new territories, giving us features we didn't already have; that was why I wanted them. Now I have everything I need with stock and root. There are so many replacement launchers, lockscreens, etc. Going vanilla is just icing on the the cake; if it ever happens at all.
All of blur's UI flaws and app quirks hardly bug me much at all; I can happily live with them if I have to. Overall, the Droid 2 is a great phone as it is ( with root of course ).

I think i might get my head bitten off for this but id be happy with a stock deoxed rom with the stupid bloat apps removed.
I've come to like the blur widgets and features, well except for the contacts sync issue with facebook.

jerseyh22accord said:
I think i might get my head bitten off for this but id be happy with a stock deoxed rom with the stupid bloat apps removed.
I've come to like the blur widgets and features, well except for the contacts sync issue with facebook.
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If you goto droidforums.net and in the Xeudoxus ROM section you will see the xultimate thread which is what you need to deodex a rom yourself. If you have the android sdk installed already it is not much work to do. Just follow the instructions and read through the thread for problems that may pop up.

karnovaran said:
Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
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apparently you don't get it.
you're not reading what i'm asking. there are ROM devs out now, doing the work. they can debloat and use as many stock apps as possible (or as available). i'm not asking for miracles. i'm asking devs not to customize what they're doing.
i'm asking for standard looks, not black themes. i'm asking for stock apps, where possible. i'm asking for it to work.
don't come in here and thread crap because you don't understand what i'm saying/asking.

MotoBoy said:
If you goto droidforums.net and in the Xeudoxus ROM section you will see the xultimate thread which is what you need to deodex a rom yourself. If you have the android sdk installed already it is not much work to do. Just follow the instructions and read through the thread for problems that may pop up.
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I know, i did it before i ran 928droid's theme and epic's rom to change the text to white in the notification bar. Lost it when i restored my nandroid of stock but i could do it again. Just saying if i flash a rom i want it deoxed

I am working on this. Please just wait.

Newbie here. I have rooted my D2, but I haven't yet installed a new ROM. Is there any way that I can use a D1 ROM in my D2?
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640k said:
apparently you don't get it.
you're not reading what i'm asking. there are ROM devs out now, doing the work. they can debloat and use as many stock apps as possible (or as available). i'm not asking for miracles. i'm asking devs not to customize what they're doing.
i'm asking for standard looks, not black themes. i'm asking for stock apps, where possible. i'm asking for it to work.
don't come in here and thread crap because you don't understand what i'm saying/asking.
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Maybe I (and others) misinterpreted, but you said stock and vanilla multiple times.
Sorry, but I just don't take well to people starting threads like this. Either do the work yourself, contact a developer directly to inquire about their intentions, or sit tight and wait. It's this kind of "gimme" attitude in forums that scares away talented people.

What the hell? Do it yourself. Are you really acting like this because you don't like black notification bars? If it upsets you so much, learn how to change it. Requests are fine. Acting indignant because you don't know what "I want a vanilla ROM" means is rude.

Any advantage to rooting if you just want simple?

Overall, I am happy with my phone. Use it mostly for e-mail, websurfing, various apps. Don't need to play around with settings, etc. It just works.
I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
If I root without loading a new rom, what are some of the advantages?
I know that I can remove some bloatware, but unless it significantly increases battery life, then it doesn't really matter to me. Will removing bloatware do anything significant to battery life?
I am already SIM unlocked (I called AT&T, and they gave me the code to unlock).
Any other advantages?
I have rooted my wife's NOOK with CM7, and while I like it, there are issues like the Sleep of Death (SOD), occasional lag, etc., that I really don't want to deal with on my phone. I need it to work without any glitches, or constant fiddling.
My guess is I should probably stay unrooted, but wanted to see if anyone can educate me whether there are any benefits in my situation.
Thanks!

f308gt4 said:
Overall, I am happy with my phone. Use it mostly for e-mail, websurfing, various apps. Don't need to play around with settings, etc. It just works.
I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
If I root without loading a new rom, what are some of the advantages?
I know that I can remove some bloatware, but unless it significantly increases battery life, then it doesn't really matter to me. Will removing bloatware do anything significant to battery life?
I am already SIM unlocked (I called AT&T, and they gave me the code to unlock).
Any other advantages?
I have rooted my wife's NOOK with CM7, and while I like it, there are issues like the Sleep of Death (SOD), occasional lag, etc., that I really don't want to deal with on my phone. I need it to work without any glitches, or constant fiddling.
My guess is I should probably stay unrooted, but wanted to see if anyone can educate me whether there are any benefits in my situation.
Thanks!
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Let's start with the basics, please search before posting. The advantages of rooting and disadvantages are well documented in numerous threads. It sounds like to me your phone is what you want/need it to be so why change it? If you are explicitly telling me you don't want to spend time flashing ROMs and tweaking the Inspire then I'm telling you its in your best interest not root.
Simply put, every custom ROM on here has its issues. No ROM is perfect, certain things work while others don't and its on you to figure out what you can or cannot live with. The only way to do that is by testing ROMs which brings me back to your statement that you don't want to spend time flashing ROMs and all that stuff..if you don't want to spend time doing this, rooting is not your journey.
Battery life is subjective, overall yes, most rooters see an increase in battery life, how much is subjective. I get 28 hours on one charge while others get 6. The difference? The user and what they do with the phone. My opinion for you is that don't root, you sound content with everything the inspire is.
Devil's advocate though, your inspire could be soo much more.

if you dont know what you want root for, then you dont need to root

if you want simple, do not root. It is not an easier path to walk on. It has its bumps and glitches. Sometimes you have a bad flash or download and have to redo it, or youll forget to back up something and now your sms messages are gone. If you arent ready to dig deeper into the phone and learn and also make it do more than stay as it is, no shame in that. Hes right, if you arent SURE you need to root than you shouldnt because the gains wont be noticed. I think most of us have had an almost brick experience at some point in time, be mentally prepared lol
once i had my phone run good all night, once i got to work it just died. was a bad flash and it didnt show its ugly head till the next day so i had to wait till i got home to fix it properly. lol gave me twitches not having my phone lol

f308gt4 said:
I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
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While I agree with the posts made here already that suggest rooting may not be for you, there are a couple significant advantages which you may want to consider.
Probably the first biggest advantage from my point of view is to remove the 'spyware' (Carrier IQ) present on most factory ROMs. That's HUGE for me. I have enough government intrusion into my life, I don't need any more. Another element is that - at least on my ROM (Virtuous Unity or Affinity) that they have done an excellent job of blocking ad intrusions.
There are also some applications which require root access, though most of them are system utilities (like Titanium Backup) which you wouldn't be using if you don't intend to experiment with different ROMs.
If I'm not mistaken, there's a path to go back to the OEM (factory) ROM, however you will need to be cautious with how you back up and restore the data you need. However it's something to consider if you felt like you wanted to kick the tires while still being able to go back to stock.
As with anything else in life, there are pros and cons. At this point most ROMs are fairly stable for the Inspire, so you probably won't be at a disadvantage, but if the one thing you need on the one ROM you like is the one thing that doesn't work and it's the one thing you can't live without, then don't do it. Read the documentation for each ROM and you'll know what to do.

I rooted my wife's Inspire so that I could get rid of unwanted AT&T and HTC apps and get rid of Carrier IQ.
The result has been better battery life and no prompts/notifications for updates to apps that were installed as system apps but that I have removed. I believe that the phone runs smoother without the stuff that was running in the background.
She really does not see any difference (except the battery life) in her everyday use.

marvin02 said:
I rooted my wife's Inspire so that I could get rid of unwanted AT&T and HTC apps and get rid of Carrier IQ.
The result has been better battery life and no prompts/notifications for updates to apps that were installed as system apps but that I have removed. I believe that the phone runs smoother without the stuff that was running in the background.
She really does not see any difference (except the battery life) in her everyday use.
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Did you install a different ROM, or just keep the stock (except for the rooted part) and delete the bloatware? How much of a difference did it make in the battery life?
Thanks!

Pirateghost said:
if you dont know what you want root for, then you dont need to root
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Agreed here. Rooting requires learning more in depth capabilities about your phone. If you are content with the status quo, why complicate?

f308gt4 said:
Did you install a different ROM, or just keep the stock (except for the rooted part) and delete the bloatware? How much of a difference did it make in the battery life?
Thanks!
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No change in ROM. Battery usually has better than 50% at night when she goes to bed. She unplugs at 5 AM and usually it's back on the charger around 10 PM. Before it was at about 30% most nights.
I also believe that it uses less background data.

Root that ***** n throw a couple ROMs on there to play with. Ever since I've roted my phone a while ago I can't stop playing with new ROMs as they cone out.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought that thisbphone never had carrier iq
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Well, I went against the good advice offered here and rooted.
I used the Ace Hack Kit, with Ubuntu, which worked perfectly as expected.
I have not installed any ROM's, as I think I will just try to remove any bloatware, etc to see if the phone battery life increases.
Any suggestions as to what to remove (I am trying a search as we speak)?
Thanks!

f308gt4 said:
Well, I went against the good advice offered here and rooted.
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Generally, I'd suggest removing anything that's carrier-specific. Those apps tend to be better for them than they are for you. To do so, I'd recommend a couple utilities that will help you in your experimentation.
1) Titanium Backup. Good for removing bloatware, when you decide what it is you don't need or want.
2) ROM Manager / Clockwork. Great for downloading ROMs and managing backups from the Android interface.
Part of what might be draining your batter is Carrier IQ, but that's not something easily dug out. You'd do better to just install a ROM that's had it expertly removed. I'd suggest either Virtuous Unity or Virtuous Affinity.

The Inspire was not released w/CIQ.

Tx Redneck said:
The Inspire was not released w/CIQ.
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Better safe than sorry, I suppose.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk

Sigh. All was well with my phone, and I had taken the case off to clean it. I was in the back yard with the phone, and boom, I dropped it on the patio. Landed face down and screen cracked.
I guess I'll be looking for a new phone now.
Thanks for all of your help!

f308gt4 said:
Overall, I am happy with my phone. Use it mostly for e-mail, websurfing, various apps. Don't need to play around with settings, etc. It just works.
I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
If I root without loading a new rom, what are some of the advantages?
I know that I can remove some bloatware, but unless it significantly increases battery life, then it doesn't really matter to me. Will removing bloatware do anything significant to battery life?
I am already SIM unlocked (I called AT&T, and they gave me the code to unlock).
Any other advantages?
I have rooted my wife's NOOK with CM7, and while I like it, there are issues like the Sleep of Death (SOD), occasional lag, etc., that I really don't want to deal with on my phone. I need it to work without any glitches, or constant fiddling.
My guess is I should probably stay unrooted, but wanted to see if anyone can educate me whether there are any benefits in my situation.
Thanks!
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Removing bloat is advantageous to battery life, but the best feature IMO is AdFree Android. It , which removes ALL ads, in the browser or in the apps. It makes browsing and apps faster and cleaner.

f308gt4 said:
Sigh. All was well with my phone, and I had taken the case off to clean it. I was in the back yard with the phone, and boom, I dropped it on the patio. Landed face down and screen cracked.
I guess I'll be looking for a new phone now.
Thanks for all of your help!
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just go on craigs list and find a local repair shop. the same thign happened to me, $100 and she's brand new again

IHTFP12 said:
Removing bloat is advantageous to battery life, but the best feature IMO is AdFree Android. It , which removes ALL ads, in the browser or in the apps. It makes browsing and apps faster and cleaner.
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No, the best feature is the fact you get full control of the device you purchased, anything else is secondary.

Root if for no other reason than to install CWM and keep up to date nandroid backups of your oem rom. It's always nice to have a quick solution in case something bad ever happens.
Plus, a lot of cool apps require root access.
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Bloatware?

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine over Android custom ROMs. His first android device is the nexus 7 tablet. I have the N7 and the NS. so anyways, we were talking about custom roms on android and he mentioned something about these custom roms on android to having lots of "bloatware." I wasn't aware of this, but I looked up what bloatware is and it is "disease" in taking up lots of memory. I'm new to flashing ROM's and I've noticed that my RAM consumption is much lower then it was on stock jellybean which i find to be very amazing.
So if there's lots of bloatware in custom ROM's you'd expect my RAM to be in very low shortage, but it's not, these custom ROM's have actually helped me in this case.
Any thoughts on this if its true or not? I'm not a pro; just eager to know everything

Bloatware is any unnecessary program taking up space in the ram or otherwise. Custom ROMs usually get rid of bloatware, but it depends on what you consider bloatware. MusicFX is bloatware to me, but it is included in most ROMs. It constantly uses ram, but I never use it.
Bloatware=unnecessary programs!
Sent from my nexus s eating jellybeans in the matr- er...uhm...Marmite

And the big amounts of ram could also be because of bimem, or biggermem! Or highbigmem, or whatever does the trick these days!
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2

I see... So do you guys think he's justified in saying that the majority of custom ROM's add bloatware to your phone?

just remember your using a pure google phone running a bloatware free rom by definition, just take a look at OEM rom from other manifacturers, so saying custom roms carrying bloatware is just a little too orthodoxic too me, for sure there are skinned roms as kravind ones but this are trimmed to the essential parts as less languages support, no google apps, but I will not define this as bloatware

MRsf27 said:
I see... So do you guys think he's justified in saying that the majority of custom ROM's add bloatware to your phone?
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No not really justified. Devs add some very handy stuff to help improve your experience, but I've never had any unwanted apps.
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MRsf27 said:
I see... So do you guys think he's justified in saying that the majority of custom ROM's add bloatware to your phone?
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Not even close.
If you have a custom rom you are free to delete any files on the system you wish (not that I recommend that approach). Bloatware is obnoxious add-on software you can't remove, like Carrier apps.

He simply lacks the knowledge to differentiate actual bloatware embedded by manufacturers and roms made to suit different needs. Some roms will include additional apps to help ease the transition or to add additional features, while others will stay very close to stock. Manufacturer roms are often full of carrier apps and UI wise they will use their own custom one, often just to strenghten the branding. That's the kind of crap most people don't like. A stock "feel" is often more appreciated as it's more slimmed down and to the point.
Besides, having only a N7, he's pretty much bloatware free, and so is the Nexus S. Both are Google devices thus lack all the additional carrier crap, so you pretty much get the "best" experience IMHO as far as stock roms go.

polobunny said:
He simply lacks the knowledge to differentiate actual bloatware embedded by manufacturers and roms made to suit different needs. Some roms will include additional apps to help ease the transition or to add additional features, while others will stay very close to stock. Manufacturer roms are often full of carrier apps and UI wise they will use their own custom one, often just to strenghten the branding. That's the kind of crap most people don't like. A stock "feel" is often more appreciated as it's more slimmed down and to the point.
Besides, having only a N7, he's pretty much bloatware free, and so is the Nexus S. Both are Google devices thus lack all the additional carrier crap, so you pretty much get the "best" experience IMHO as far as stock roms go.
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Totally agree... he's an iPhone user so he doesn't realize the necessary programmes that need to run in the background for the os
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He is an iPhone user? OK that's explaining everything...
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No it doesnt. It was explained quite well by others in the thread.
You can easily make the case that the official ROM includes bloatware. Maybe not when the majority of people consider bloat ex. Carrier apps.
But there are many that consider other things as bloat. Such as ALL the Google apps that are available to download via the play store. Examples. Earth, books, currents, Google + and so on. To me that is bloat. It is stuff that is included in /system ( the ROM itself) taking up space that is not needed.
I don't have a issue with them doing it but to me that is bloat. Google bloat.
Edit - not it doesn't ? Fail

So true that's wat I like about custom ROMs they get rid of those useless Google apps
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No it doesnt. It was explained quite well by others in the thread.
You can easily make the case that the official ROM includes bloatware. Maybe not when the majority of people consider bloat ex. Carrier apps.
But there are many that consider other things as bloat. Such as ALL the Google apps that are available to download via the play store. Examples. Earth, books, currents, Google + and so on. To me that is bloat. It is stuff that is included in /system ( the ROM itself) taking up space that is not needed.
I don't have a issue with them doing it but to me that is bloat. Google bloat.
Edit - not it doesn't ? Fail
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Yeah. That's how I feel about all the Google crap they included with the official JB OTA. Those should be able to be uninstalled, not just disabled. It's not as if they affect the performance of the phone if they're uninstalled.

disabling them is insufficient

Regular User on Rooting Your S3

Two weeks into my new phone and loving it, but now on to some important questions. Some may have been answered before but not all on the same thread. So I'm here to ask. Please don't flame as a nooby to the SG3 scene and rooting THIS phone. Want to keep things simple and all functions WORKING most importantly
1. Should the standard phone guy. by that I mean not wifi tethering etc feel the need to Root his/her phone. Only real win win situation I see as of now is being able to delete bloat ware. But is it worth that on the S3?
2. If you root the phone I'm assuming you may lose some of it's motion controls. Camera features. Jelly Bean is nice but it's coming. Wait and get the real deal or root and take your chances? I just think personally the early gain doesn't quite outweigh the chances of losing something important.
3.On another point roms do add more functionality in areas that some don't. The reason I'm here posting this in the first place is because of paranoid android rom. The option to go hybrid tablet/phone is simply awesome especially on this phone would be reason enough to try it out. Question being I seen VZW EZ Unlocker (Recovery app as well). Which is great but you still have to root your phone correct?
4. Also If I decide to unroot my phone and go back to completely stock is this a SIMPLE viable solution on the VZW sg3? I have rooted my droid and thunderbolt in the past but really wasn't pleased with rom options at all on the thunderbolt. More issues then anything else.
5. Now I have a shiny pretty slim s3 and i'm wanting to make it the best thing possible but not trying to deal with any types of issues. Want it to work flawlessly..(no wifi connection issues/data/signal/force closes.

loopers said:
Two weeks into my new phone and loving it, but now on to some important questions. Some may have been answered before but not all on the same thread. So I'm here to ask. Please don't flame as a nooby to the SG3 scene and rooting THIS phone. Want to keep things simple and all functions WORKING most importantly
1. Should the standard phone guy. by that I mean not wifi tethering etc feel the need to Root his/her phone. Only real win win situation I see as of now is being able to delete bloat ware. But is it worth that on the S3?
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If your phone works exactly how you want stock, there's absolutely no reason to mess with a good thing. It's only worth it if you like dealing with any potential issues that accompany rooting/flashing, etc. I rooted my GSIII and just added a few apps (Recovery as well). I don't have a need for anything else.
loopers said:
2. If you root the phone I'm assuming you may lose some of it's motion controls. Camera features. Jelly Bean is nice but it's coming. Wait and get the real deal or root and take your chances? I just think personally the early gain doesn't quite outweigh the chances of losing something important.
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You are confusing "rooting" with "flashing." If you simply just root the GSIII, you're still on stock Touchwiz but now you have root access so you CAN modify system files if you want. If you just root, everything you had set up will be exactly the same and working just the same. If you flash a rom/kernel/mod, this is when you may or may not lose features. You know the risks going in with everything you flash so this is a personal choice. Not everyone is comfortable with losing features of a device they purchased.
loopers said:
3.On another point roms do add more functionality in areas that some don't. The reason I'm here posting this in the first place is because of paranoid android rom. The option to go hybrid tablet/phone is simply awesome especially on this phone would be reason enough to try it out. Question being I seen VZW EZ Unlocker (Recovery app as well). Which is great but you still have to root your phone correct?
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Correct, you root the phone to have root access like I described above then you can unlock the bootloader if you desire. Either use EZ Unlock app or use AdamOutler's Casual tool to unlock your device, again each step is your choice. You accept the consequences.
loopers said:
4. Also If I decide to unroot my phone and go back to completely stock is this a SIMPLE viable solution on the VZW sg3? I have rooted my droid and thunderbolt in the past but really wasn't pleased with rom options at all on the thunderbolt. More issues then anything else.
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Yes, there are a few guides/methods to unroot. I am posting this comment using my phone so I can't provide a direct link. Go into the Development Section of this forum and check out DroidStyle's guide. I believe Section 6 of that guide has the steps to unroot. It truly is a helpful and easy to follow guide that I suggest you bookmark.
loopers said:
5. Now I have a shiny pretty slim s3 and i'm wanting to make it the best thing possible but not trying to deal with any types of issues. Want it to work flawlessly..(no wifi connection issues/data/signal/force closes.
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The choice is yours my friend. Like I posted earlier, I rooted just for a few apps (titanium Backup, Adfree for example) and I wanted to do so while there were still exploits working before I received any OTA. Lastly, if you root I suggest you immediately backup your IMEI. If you don't know what this is, there are a couple threads that you should read in the development section that describe in detail what you need to do, why you need to do this, and anything else.
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loopers said:
2. If you root the phone I'm assuming you may lose some of it's motion controls. Camera features. Jelly Bean is nice but it's coming. Wait and get the real deal or root and take your chances? I just think personally the early gain doesn't quite outweigh the chances of losing something important.
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if you run a touchwiz rom (like synergy) i believe you will maintain the nice features like s-beam and motion controls. also because you can run a new kernel i've found that i am getting a few more hours of battery life and more smoothness running the Rom.
being able to use Google Wallet and AdFree are just added perks!

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if you run a touchwiz rom (like synergy) i believe you will maintain the nice features like s-beam and motion controls. also because you can run a new kernel i've found that i am getting a few more hours of battery life and more smoothness running the Rom.
being able to use Google Wallet and AdFree are just added perks!
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running synergy and i can confirm that i still am able to use direct call and smart alert.

I like you found nothing wrong with the phone other than a lot of bloatware but I want the ability to change anything and everything just because even if they work fine. And rooting this device is so much easier than any device I've ever had there was no point not to.
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Genuine Question: What is the benefit of rooting at this point?

First off, a disclaimer: I come from a long line of rooting android phones, from the Nexus of yore to Samsungs and the Axon 7, to now potentially rooting the OP7 Pro. I know what rooting does, I know I can change the ROM, and that will allow me to change the look etc etc. But is there really benefit outside of that anymore?
And what things will I lose by rooting? Will google pay still work? Etc.
I've been getting bored with the stock ROM, not because there's anything wrong with it, I actually have only a 55% urge to root and load up a custom ROM. It's mostly out of boredom to be honest. But I find that as phones progress, my need to root and flash a new ROM shrinks. Especially since this is relatively close to Stock Android in the first place.

EasyTiger6x13 said:
First off, a disclaimer: I come from a long line of rooting android phones, from the Nexus of yore to Samsungs and the Axon 7, to now potentially rooting the OP7 Pro. I know what rooting does, I know I can change the ROM, and that will allow me to change the look etc etc. But is there really benefit outside of that anymore?
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Logon just to agree with what OP said. I, too came from a very long line of android phones (#AndroidMasterRace). As I changed from phone to phone, I eventually find it less and less appealing to root and currently rooting my phone just out of habit than actual needs.
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And what things will I lose by rooting? Will google pay still work? Etc.
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As long as Magisk passed with Safety Net, Google Pay will still work. Other than Warranty, you lose nothing. Rooting just let you gain more control over your phone.

oceanax said:
Logon just to agree with what OP said. I, too came from a very long line of android phones (#AndroidMasterRace). As I changed from phone to phone, I eventually find it less and less appealing to root and currently rooting my phone just out of habit than actual needs.
As long as Magisk passed with Safety Net, Google Pay will still work. Other than Warranty, you lose nothing. Rooting just let you gain more control over your phone.
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You don't even lose warranty.
There is nothing permanent done when unlocking the BootLoader or rooting.
You gain full control.

Do you mean root or custom ROM? You don't need root for a custom ROM...
As for rooting...
Systemwide adblock
Substratum themes
Pixel launcher & recents
Live caption + dark theme assistant
etc

I always root for numerous apps, mods, controls, etc...

Viper4android

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I always root for numerous apps, mods, controls, etc...
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Could you list the ones you use or would root to use, I'm also tempted to root but don't really see a big benefit, maybe you can change my mind

Adaway is my big plus to rooting. Doesn't matter what app or game I use, no ads.
Titanium Backup is my other #1 app to have. If I have problems with a specific OS (in my case, I had to downgrade from Android 10 back to 9), Titanium Backup put all my (game) data back without issues.

darkandshadow said:
Adaway is my big plus to rooting. Doesn't matter what app or game I use, no ads.
Titanium Backup is my other #1 app to have. If I have problems with a specific OS (in my case, I had to downgrade from Android 10 back to 9), Titanium Backup put all my (game) data back without issues.
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seconded. adaway is the main reason for me too. and Viper4Android

Im looking for a ROM that enables free tethering built in. Does anyone know of any? That's the main benefit of rooting for me.

I've been rooting and ROMing since the HTC Hero. I used to chase nightlies, kernels, new homescreen every day.... all looking to make slow phones faster and more useable.
Phone hardware is actually pretty stellar now, especially this one.
So all I do is root the stock rom, install ad block and Viper4android.
Being able to update firmware from the manufacturer OTA and maintain root with just a few clicks is the best thing since sliced bread for me.

Android manufacturers have finally started adding things to their stock launchers and builds that now make some mods and rooting and obsolete.
But Instill use it to customize my Waze map colors and Adaway. Otherwise, no reason and been thinking of jumping to the new Galaxy S11 plus when it comes out. Will see.

I root for Viper, to try custom kernels and to mod various visual aspects of OOS. You do lose HD quality Netflix and Prime video but I rarely watch them so its worth it for me.

Sab3elbromba said:
Could you list the ones you use or would root to use, I'm also tempted to root but don't really see a big benefit, maybe you can change my mind
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For me, I root for substratum, xposed edge, exi for SwiftKey, adaway, custom kernels, (magisk) roms, viper4android, probably a few more but that's just off the top of my head. Also, not the person you replied to.
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You should root you don't loose anything
And i overclocked the phone like crazy fast,
There are many benefits for rooting

I'm not rooting this time cause I dont want to lose the stable system that I have. I like its last of battery and I am okay with the speed of the phone. I think I will pass rooting this time

Adaway, viper4android, google dailer with call screen, downclocking the cpu, getting rid of all unnecessary apps and background processes. Aux camera's in gcams. And i have gpay and banking apps still working....