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[Q] Anyone using the Omnia 7 in the US on AT&T

Is anyone using the Samsung Omnia 7 on AT&T? I know it has support for AT&T's 1900 band for 3G but wanted to know how the experience is. I'm in Germany this week and was hoping to see if I can pick one up [not really happy with any of the AT&T phones].
Also, with updates possibly being controlled by carriers what's the workaround for buying an unlocked device from overseas and using it in the US on AT&T?
Thx!

can't tell you about omnia on at&t, but as far as i'm aware if your phone is unlocked from carrier, i don't see any reason/possibility for them to delay an update being rolled to your phone.

Cool, thx.

You should be able to get updates via the Zune software.

I'm sorry. this is my first post for this forum. Im not educated on on the compatibility of the EU phones on US carriers....
But is this really possible? I really like the SS Omnia the best so far.
an unlocked ominia will work perfectly fine on AT&T?

it will work perfectly.. except for the lack of 3G. The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses... and the 1700 band tmobile uses.

An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...

shujaa said:
An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...
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Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
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Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good

shujaa said:
Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good
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One advantage with the Focus is it has an SD card slot to extend storage.
If you use you phone for music,movies and games it's a big +.

N8ter said:
Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
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lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.

akachay said:
lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.
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There are maps available showing coverage for each AT&T 3G frequency band. I wouldn't dismiss one band over the other. It all depends on what city you live in.
Check into the coverage areas before you waste money on a phone that won't give you 3G coverage in your area.

Very interesting as I googled AT&T 850 vs. 1900 MHz Coverage and pulled up a very interesting map [can't post a link due to my post count].
Coverage of the two bands is almost identical. I didn't know that speed is something to give up on the 1900 band though.
Good info. Yeah, I'm in Europe this week and no one is offering it unlocked!

here's the maps.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
my question would be though, which is the band they are going to expand going forward???

so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak

Krissrock said:
so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I'll be asking at an AT&T store, perhaps they can shed some light...

i personally am not sure if all phones handle the varying bands straight from the OEMs. HTC lists what bands their phone supports to each region, but in saying that it would be good to know what would happen if you got a omnia to the US (or in my case if i somehow managed to get an unlocked focus to australia ).

Krissrock said:
so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I don't think the phone supports at&t's 850mhz band.

according to this it does
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pd...icially_confirmed_windows_phone_7_smartphones
and this
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8700_omnia_7-3537.php
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
From what i've heard, ATT doesn't even really use the 850 spectrum much anymore...

Several people are selling this new on eBay for ~$600, but it does not support 3G. As per the one auction details:
* Works with AT&T and T-mobile EDGE but does not work with 3G networks in the USA
* Works with AT&T 1900Mhz 3G but not AT&T 850mhz 3G - Does not work with T-mobile 3G in the USA
I love the design of this phone too but is it worth paying all that money for a phone where you won't be able to take advantage of all its features? Edge is slow as Sh*t compared to 3g in my area. Just consider that if you really want this phone in the US.

[Q] Will inspire's 4G work in Europe?

Hi everyone,
I'm currently in the USA for an internship and I'm tempted to buy an Inspire since it's so much cheaper than what it would cost back in the Netherlands. However I've searched a lot now and I can't figure this out.
Will the Inspire work on my network back in the Netherlands? I'm on T-mobile. I'm sure GSM will work and so on, but I would really like to know if 3G and even 4G will work back at home?
So, bottomline, buy or don't buy ?
,Jordy

Frixxion said:
Hi everyone,
I'm currently in the USA for an internship and I'm tempted to buy an Inspire since it's so much cheaper than what it would cost back in the Netherlands. However I've searched a lot now and I can't figure this out.
Will the Inspire work on my network back in the Netherlands? I'm on T-mobile. I'm sure GSM will work and so on, but I would really like to know if 3G and even 4G will work back at home?
So, bottomline, buy or don't buy ?
,Jordy
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Yes it will work but, if you want to use it on another gsm network in the Netherlands you will need to unlock it. I suggest you root it using the ace hack kit. I tested this method and I can say my phone is unlocked.
4G on the Inspire is HSDPA+ its just a upgraded 3g network. If your network in the Netherlands supports this you will have the same speeds or faster. Just check the freq for you home network with the inspire tech spec. I suspect it will work since its the same phone as the Desire HD sold in Europe.

Frixxion said:
Hi everyone,
I'm currently in the USA for an internship and I'm tempted to buy an Inspire since it's so much cheaper than what it would cost back in the Netherlands. However I've searched a lot now and I can't figure this out.
Will the Inspire work on my network back in the Netherlands? I'm on T-mobile. I'm sure GSM will work and so on, but I would really like to know if 3G and even 4G will work back at home?
So, bottomline, buy or don't buy ?
,Jordy
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Not if T-Mobile is your provider, T-Mobiles 3G/HSPA+ network uses different frequencies than the Inspire operates on. T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 for their 3G/HSPA+. ATT and the Inspire use 850/1900 (which T-Mobile uses for Edge). So with T-Mobile you'll get voice and Edge data, but no 3G/4G
Inspire Specs
T-Mobile Wiki

homeslice976 said:
Not if T-Mobile is your provider, T-Mobiles 3G/HSPA+ network uses different frequencies than the Inspire operates on. T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 for their 3G/HSPA+. ATT and the Inspire use 850/1900 (which T-Mobile uses for Edge). So with T-Mobile you'll get voice and Edge data, but no 3G/4G
Inspire Specs
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T-Mobile in Europe uses different frequencies than T-Mobile in the US (probably 900MHz or 2100MHz), but regardless, the Inspire won't support them.

yg17 said:
T-Mobile in Europe uses different frequencies than T-Mobile in the US (probably 900MHz or 2100MHz), but regardless, the Inspire won't support them.
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Good point. Looks like T-Mobile in the netherlands uses GSM1800 and WCDMA2100 - which won't give you high speed data on the Inspire

The Inspire does not suppprt 3g bands that are commonly used outside of north america, so while the phone will generally work, you can only get 2g (edge) data in Europe/Asia/etc..
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US Sensation 4G Versus UK Model

Sorry - just noticed the Q & A section...
I placed an order with an Amazon UK seller and have received a branded T-Mobile Sensation 4G model - I was expecting a UK model which this is clearly not.
Should I be worried? I'd welcome any comments on:
Warranty - valid with HTC or only via the seller? 2 Years?
3G and 4G bands? Will it work as a HSDPA connected 3G phone here in Europe? Have I actually got a more capable phone with more network bands that I would have for a UK model? It appears so from this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
Any comments welcome. The price was good at £434.20 incl P&P and this is SIM free.

If you can put up with the T-Mobile branding/waiting for OS updates then keep it. Personally, I'd send it back and pay the extra for a genuine unbranded EU model

EddyOS said:
If you can put up with the T-Mobile branding/waiting for OS updates then keep it. Personally, I'd send it back and pay the extra for a genuine unbranded EU model
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Hadn't thought about the software. I assume, as we are all, that the Sensation will soon be able to be updated with XDA Dev ROMs. If so there should be no difference then? But would the radio inside this phone currently be optimised for the US T-Mobile network? I know that lots of people seem to think radios version suitability depends upon where you are - I wonder if the radios in US 4G Sensations are different to the ones here in the UK

tony.wheeler said:
Sorry - just noticed the Q & A section...
I placed an order with an Amazon UK seller and have received a branded T-Mobile Sensation 4G model - I was expecting a UK model which this is clearly not.
Should I be worried? I'd welcome any comments on:
Warranty - valid with HTC or only via the seller? 2 Years?
3G and 4G bands? Will it work as a HSDPA connected 3G phone here in Europe? Have I actually got a more capable phone with more network bands that I would have for a UK model? It appears so from this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
Any comments welcome. The price was good at £434.20 incl P&P and this is SIM free.
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It's not about Euro model 3G capable or US model 4G capable. The Europe/Asia model Z710e is capable of 4G too. It depends on your network provider if they have enabled HSPA+(4G).
T-Mobile I'm pretty sure they run mostly on the 2100MHz band (in USA they do) and they have been upgrading their network equipment to enable HSPA+(4G).

T-Mobile I'm pretty sure they run mostly on the 2100MHz band...
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Well, not exactly. TMOUS uses UMTS band IV (1700/2100). Not UMTS band I, which is what people generally mean when talking about 2100 Mhz. They are different. Most of Europe uses UMTS band I and/or UMTS band VIII (900). 4g/3g is irrelevant here since it is only a marketing term in this instance, as shadowboy23 said. They are both capable of the same speeds on the same networks.
Now, I have not seen definitive specs yet for the TMOUS version. T-Mobile says it is UMTS I and IV, but the box it comes in says I, II, and IV. No mention of band VIII. If I were you, I would return it and get the European version, since it has band VIII, which you may or may not need, depending on your area.
Just curious - what is listed on your box for band support?

Tmobile HTC sensation 4g box says..
Umts 1700,1900,2100
Correct me is I am wrong, but the UK uses 2100 up and down? Best for the op to call service provider and confirm what band they use for data service.
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Able to use an unlocked AT&T HTC One X internationally and get 3G?

I'm looking to get an unlocked HTC One X (AT&T) to use overseas where the 3G band is 2100. I read in the Engadget review that AWS is disabled out of the box?
What is AWS exactly? And does it affect the 2100 3G band that I need?
EDIT: So my exact question is, can I use an unlocked ATT HOX to get at least a 3G data connection where the band required is ONLY 2100 (read: NOT 1700/2100 like T-Mobile)? Like the UK and Taiwan as in this chart.
It'd be kinda ironic if it didn't work in Taiwan lol

AWS is a band of 3/4g used by T-Mobile, and other carriers. at&t does not use this band, nor does rogers. But most foreign carriers do.
From my understanding once we have s-off you can change this to use that band.
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kleeman7 said:
AWS is a band of 3/4g used by T-Mobile, and other carriers. at&t does not use this band, nor does rogers. But most foreign carriers do.
From my understanding once we have s-off you can change this to use that band.
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Thanks for the info. Do you know which bands specifically are AWS? And does this mean unlocking the phone doesn't give me access to them? You wouldn't per chance know the thread that talks about the unlock for AWS would you? I can't seem to find it...

So it seems that AWS is synonymous with W-CDMA 1700 (UMTS Band IV)? And/or from 1710 to 1755 MHz for uplink, and from 2110 to 2155 MHz for downlink?
I got that from Wikipedia. So it would appear that if I need the 2100 band internationally, I'd be okay using an unlocked AT&T HTC One X. Can anybody verify this?
Sorry, I'm not too knowledgeable about what AWS is exactly... Except that T-Mobile USA uses the 1700 band and that's part of it which is why the ATT HOX doesn't get T-Mobile USA 3G.

You will get signal internationally, but it may not be 3g is all. But the 2100 band is at&t capable.
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You will get signal internationally, but it may not be 3g is all. But the 2100 band is at&t capable.
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Yeah, I'm not doubting the ability to get signal for talk/text, I want to try to get at least 3G. What's a smartphone without mobile data, right?
In any case, I just tried looking it up and it seems that AT&T uses 850 and 1900?
So it would appear that AWS generally refers to the pairing of 1700/2100. Does that mean AWS is ONLY the band pair and does NOT refer to using only 2100?

Even in UMTS 2100, upload will be in 19xx range. I'm sure HOX will work in 2100 UMTS band.

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So it would appear that AWS generally refers to the pairing of 1700/2100. Does that mean AWS is ONLY the band pair and does NOT refer to using only 2100?
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Correct, AWS just refers to the split band (1700/2100) only, where one band is used for download, the other for upload (can never remember which is which). AWS is also known as Band IV. Its not to be confused with the 2100 MHz band (Band I) used in Europe and many other parts of the world for 3G.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD
The phone should work fine while traveling, including 3G. But I will try to confirm next week, as I am traveling to Europe. This will be my first trip abroad with the One X. I'll be roaming on AT&T; instead of SIM unlocked and running a local SIM. But roaming on AT&T works pretty similar, using the local carriers (the only real difference is in the billing). So I can at least confirm that part works.
IN the past I've traveled internationally with several AT&T phones with the 2100 MHz band, so I don't expect any problems.
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AWS is a band of 3/4g used by T-Mobile, and other carriers. at&t does not use this band, nor does rogers. But most foreign carriers do.
From my understanding once we have s-off you can change this to use that band.
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The part about most foreign carriers using AWS is false, as I noted above. AWS is pretty much an anomaly, only used by T-Mobile, and carriers in Canada and Venezuela. You are confusing Band I with Band IV.
Just want to make sure that this is clear, for anyone else reading this thread, to avoid misunderstanding.
Also, the part about enabling AWS once we have S-Off is just speculation. I would not take if for granted. Mostly just wishful thinking by those on T-Mobile. I would not take it as fact.

Thanks for the answers! Do let me know how 3G works on your trip though

I messaged HTC and this is an excerpt from the reply they sent me:
To put it very simply, the AT&T One X uses a cellular radio that does not have or use the 2100 frequency. With this being the case, the situation is actually a hardware limitation, not a lack of software or a software disablement of a hardware functionality. This, of course, means that you wouldn't get 3G in Taiwan with an unlocked AT&T One X. You can still get 2G/EDGE with the proper data network settings though. I can definitely appreciate the irony of the situation though, our phones are manufactured in Taiwan after all!
That being said, I messaged them back and asked why 2100 was listed as supported on their official site.

Reply:
Considering that AWS is listed as an LTE technology in those specifications when it's not an LTE tech tells me that the specifications are listed incorrectly. I've gone ahead and forwarded this for review and correction though. Even if the specifications are correct, because the device is configured for AT&T's 3G network, which uses the 850 and 1900 frequencies, it's still very likely that you still would not get 3G service.
So, the rep doesn't know is all I'm getting from this email. "Very likely" doesn't sound definitive to me.

I can confirm that at&t hox is working fine in umts aka 3g mode in 2100Mhz. Just today i received one, sim unlocked it and tested
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redpoint73 said:
The phone should work fine while traveling, including 3G. But I will try to confirm next week, as I am traveling to Europe. This will be my first trip abroad with the One X. I'll be roaming on AT&T; instead of SIM unlocked and running a local SIM. But roaming on AT&T works pretty similar, using the local carriers (the only real difference is in the billing). So I can at least confirm that part works.
IN the past I've traveled internationally with several AT&T phones with the 2100 MHz band, so I don't expect any problems.
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Sorry for the late update. But I can verify that 3G on the AT&T version of the One X works just fine in Germany, which uses 2100 MHz for 3G.
I didn't use data a whole lot, but a little browsing, Google Maps, etc., all of which seemed speedy. I also ran Speedtest while in Germany, and got 5.5 Mbps down, 1.3 Mbps up, which I think is safe to say 3G and not EDGE. Also had the "4G" icon in the notification bar, since our phone displays that for HSPA.
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funnce said:
I messaged HTC and this is an excerpt from the reply they sent me:
To put it very simply, the AT&T One X uses a cellular radio that does not have or use the 2100 frequency. With this being the case, the situation is actually a hardware limitation, not a lack of software or a software disablement of a hardware functionality. This, of course, means that you wouldn't get 3G in Taiwan with an unlocked AT&T One X. You can still get 2G/EDGE with the proper data network settings though. I can definitely appreciate the irony of the situation though, our phones are manufactured in Taiwan after all!
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That rep is clearly clueless, as what I mentioned above proves he is incorrect.

redpoint73 said:
Sorry for the late update. But I can verify that 3G on the AT&T version of the One X works just fine in Germany, which uses 2100 MHz for 3G.
I didn't use data a whole lot, but a little browsing, Google Maps, etc., all of which seemed speedy. I also ran Speedtest while in Germany, and got 5.5 Mbps down, 1.3 Mbps up, which I think is safe to say 3G and not EDGE. Also had the "4G" icon in the notification bar, since our phone displays that for HSPA.
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That rep is clearly clueless, as what I mentioned above proves he is incorrect.
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I am in China, and it's the same 2100 MHz for 3G, I can sometimes connect to the HSPA but it's not stable and keep have notification 'Restricted Access Changed. Data Service is blocked'. Although I can use internet browser and some apps like Google Map. But some apps keep prompted ' network unavailable' like Weibo, I found the problematic apps are clients of news website. I wonder if they use some protocol which is not support or blocked?

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redpoint73 said:
Sorry for the late update. But I can verify that 3G on the AT&T version of the One X works just fine in Germany, which uses 2100 MHz for 3G.
I didn't use data a whole lot, but a little browsing, Google Maps, etc., all of which seemed speedy. I also ran Speedtest while in Germany, and got 5.5 Mbps down, 1.3 Mbps up, which I think is safe to say 3G and not EDGE. Also had the "4G" icon in the notification bar, since our phone displays that for HSPA.
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That rep is clearly clueless, as what I mentioned above proves he is incorrect.
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This is great news for me. I will receive an HOX at&t and I'm in Europe so is great that the 3g is working here.

Does the UK HTC one S support 4G ??

Everything every where are going 4g Soon.
I know the US version gets very high speeds.
Will i need a new phone?

the US HTC One S says 4G but its just DC HSPA+ which seems to work in India (Vodafone) its not 4g but we can say partial 4g the hspa+ signal is doubled to get double speed 42Mbps if am not wrong ..cheers bro .
And Like here 4G LTE (100mbps) is launched if it is launched in UK too , you will need new phone . NO 4g LTE phone has been launched yet in India . But they are giving Wifi routers

ah pants, wish id known before buying

Realistically I don't think it matters. NOBODY actually gets anywhere close to 100 Mbps on any LTE connection. They'd be lucky to get 30. In that sense if we can hit those speeds on DC-HSPA+ then who cares about LTE?

so can i get the new 4g in the uk or not? Im now confused?

Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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aditya. said:
Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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So keep it and see i guess?
Only i would of sold it before there is a mass of htc one s phones on the market that are not capable.

I read that the lte frequency in the UK is 1800mhz and the one s supports 1800mhz band

LTE is 4G. One S does not and cannot ever support LTE, and it's not a matter of frequencies.
One S does support DC-HSPA which gives a theoretical down link @ 42 Mbps.
Many many carriers around the world has DC-HSPA, Three in Sweden has it for example, though I haven't managed a better speedtest.net result than 19 Mbps myself on it... Best TMOUS speedtest.net I recall seeing here was ~25Mbps I think.
None of the 4 swedish carriers with LTE networks promise more than 80 Mbps, though the rules for calling something 4G originally stated it should provide 1Gbit to stationary users and 100 Mbps to mobile users.
T-mobile in USA calls DC-HSPA 4G for marketing reasons but it is still a 3G UMTS technology. Still plenty fast enough for anything on a phone IM:angel:

sorry im still confused...............
In plain terms for a idiot...
Do i need a new phone to take advantage of 4G as the mobile companies would have me believe

To take advantage of what some carriers like TMobile US would have you believe is 4G you don't need a new phone. If Three UK is anything like 3 Sweden then they have a nice 3G network which can pass for 4G in America.
To take advantage of LTE which is even faster you need a new phone.
You could download hrrm stream I mean say 9 HD episodes of say Top Gear and thus fill your entire sdcard on the One S in 120 minutes on a decent 3G connection though so I'd say LTE isn't really needed.

does 4G have a more reliable connection than 3G as sometimes i find 3G drops on the One S

In the UK, 4g is only available from EE (Orange/TMobile) and only in very few places and yes you need a new phone, also deep pockets because it is expensive.

After tweeting EE, they said the phone wasn't compatible with their 4G network.
Sent from my HTC One S+

Yes - anyone wanting true 4G (LTE) will not be able to do so with any HTC One S.
It is worth noting, however, that anywhere you can get LTE you will almost certainly get HSPA+ (which is supported by One S). For most, that will mean speeds over 2Mb/s and up to 7Mb/s and cost significantly less than LTE. With EE currently not being very generous with their download limits (or coverage), why not stick with 3G until the market gets a bit more competitive? That will fit in nicely for when you are probably due a shiny new phone...