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For those who are holding out on the XOOM

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...er-to-buy-elsewhere-if-they-want-custom-roms/
Loving my G-Tablet even more every day..!

Ouch!!
They should try harder to be more blunt ...
Jim

Motorola is junk anyway, every phone I ever had from them was garbage

People love a challenge. This may be an attempt at reverse psychology.
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popezaphod said:
People love a challenge. This may be an attempt at reverse psychology.
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Either that or they just rebranded and renamed themselves Motodouchea.
I am glad Viewsonic didn't lock our G Tablets down.

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I doubt it, considering how hard they made it for the XDA guys to root the DroidX. My guess is we're going to be seeing more of these hardware "anti-root" chips on future Motorola devices.
Pretty stupid of them, really, considering the huge percentage of the Android population (like myself) that regularly try out different ROM's and such. You would think they would be more concerned with making the hardware sale than making sure you were stuck with MotoBlur.
It just goes to show that Motorola really isn't listening to it's customers, and that's a shame. The Xoom looks pretty awesome, but if it's as locked down as I expect it to be you can count me out. One of my favorite things about my G-Tablet is how easy it's been to "tinker" with it. And I can attest that the things are almost impossible to "brick". Thought I killed mine a couple of times, but it just took a little time hacking away at it and it's always come back to life

Away put your weapons...
The comment that's going viral through the Android community was just a poorly-thought-out blurt from a guy at Motorola. Before we break out the sandblasters and flamethrowers, remember that "the guy" has a boss... who probably issued their almost-an-apology soon after...
http://www.facebook.com/motorola/posts/10150127129950731?notif_t=feed_comment
Has anyone of us ever spoken before thinking? ... Naaaaw.
I'd love a xoom as a development platform

I'm more interested in the Atrix and/or Bionic as a replacement phone myself...
I'd also have more faith that the thinkers and devs here on XDA would bypass whatever restrictions they could impose...

I doubt the person running their youtube account is involved in the implantation of hardware and software security measures of an unreleased device. Just a disgruntled employee, who after that is probably no longer employed.
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(rumor) basic version of the Motorola Xoom will enter between $250 and $299
http://chicagoindiepress.com/1507/tech/motorola-xoom-beat-ipad-2-prices-verizon-stores/
it may be true if you sign 2 years data services with Verizon. who really knows.

GOOD CALL!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/
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I doubt the person running their youtube account is involved in the implantation of hardware and software security measures of an unreleased device. Just a disgruntled employee, who after that is probably no longer employed.
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do not buy motorola
look how they are making fun of the defy owners
i bought one and it had the dead speaker problem, then when i could think of anything worse than a phone that cant make calls, a beautiful green stuck unremovable pixel apeared on the screen, i sold it

Is this even newsworthy?? Motorola is nothing if not famous for locking down their phones, especially those running on Verizon's network. I can recall bricking an old Moto flip phone, simply trying to add some custom ringtones to it. Personally these days I avoid Moto altogether, I just assume anything they create will end up locked down and crippled. There are gonna be so many other honeycomb tablets that I am uninterested in anything that will be locked down like an iPad is. (And yes I have an iPad, which spends most of it's time being used for Netflix and Angry Birds.)

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http://chicagoindiepress.com/1507/tech/motorola-xoom-beat-ipad-2-prices-verizon-stores/
it may be true if you sign 2 years data services with Verizon. who really knows.
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I'm reading that the minimum is $800, but I doubt that's correct. They wouldn't be crazy enough, would they? Are there that many people forecasted to be willing to shell out an extra $400 for basically the same guts as the VS + 3G/4G and a better screen? I suppose people buy the iPad and that doesn't have 1/2 the features so anything's possible.

Not in a rush to buy a locked down boot loader. No custom roms or recoveries....no thank you.
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If the bootloader does not seal it as a bad buy, the reported $800 retail price should (Neo, due to the rationale below- the price may be correct)
I expected it to be high, due to the phone price model. That is why phones are so high, due to carrier pricing practiced by all channels. They NEED you to buy the data plans and get locked in as a revenue stream- hence crazy a55 retail prices.
You would think Motorola and Verizon would learn from the Galaxy Tab debacle. It STILL does not sell well and is cheaper than the Xoom's reported price.
Samsung talked smack about over a million sold, but that was sell IN to retailers and not sell THROUGH to actual end users.

just crazy..
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I'm reading that the minimum is $800, but I doubt that's correct. They wouldn't be crazy enough, would they? Are there that many people forecasted to be willing to shell out an extra $400 for basically the same guts as the VS + 3G/4G and a better screen? I suppose people buy the iPad and that doesn't have 1/2 the features so anything's possible.
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Neoprimal said:
I'm reading that the minimum is $800, but I doubt that's correct. They wouldn't be crazy enough, would they? Are there that many people forecasted to be willing to shell out an extra $400 for basically the same guts as the VS + 3G/4G and a better screen? I suppose people buy the iPad and that doesn't have 1/2 the features so anything's possible.
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I saw the same post from engagdet, and still no word from verizon or Moto. One thing that I can be 100% sure is that I won't buy it.. it is crazy to pay $800 dollars for it.. and I can get the gtab for less than $400. Yes, the screen sucks + missing some sensors..

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I saw the same post from engagdet, and still no word from verizon or Moto. One thing that I can be 100% sure is that I won't buy it.. it is crazy to pay $800 dollars for it.. and I can get the gtab for less than $400. Yes, the screen sucks + missing some sensors..
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Even if that $800 is the unsubsidized price, it's unrealistic IMHO.
Jim

tyy10002 said:
http://chicagoindiepress.com/1507/tech/motorola-xoom-beat-ipad-2-prices-verizon-stores/
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$800 is way too high.

No more updates for Galaxy series

I keep hearing that Sammy's perspective is that there is no "financial incentive" to provide updates to old phones. Well here is one. I will never buy another samsung android phone so long as they have this policy. I will also tell everyone who will listen to do the same.
I know that if they do not support devices as recent as the SGS4G, it is only a matter of time before their new devices are unsupported.
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Heh, Raver and I were talking about why they would wind up not giving ICS to the Vibrant and it was for this reason. They're a capitalist company, and updating older phones would not be good for business. People wouldn't have an incentive to upgrade if they got the latest software all the time.
I am a little mad that they're not going to update the T959V to ICS since it falls within the 18 month time window that they're supposed to provide upgrades for. Go figure.

Yeah Sammy really wiped it's ass with the pledge it made to Google about the 18 month window.

Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?

Bumblephuk said:
Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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I agree with you. Hardware is a good enough incentive, but samsung is too greedy and cheap to provide the software updates for their older device. The SGS 4G is still relative new too. This is why there are people still buying, using, and praising Apple. Their support and service put samsung to shame.

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Upgrades come once every 2 years unless you drop 600 in a phone. The bs is that a new phone with better hardware comes out every 4 months and all other phones no longer get supported due to " hardware" or some crap. The galaxy s3 is coming out in a few months. Wanna bet my galaxy s2 won't be able to run android 5.0 due to hardware limitations. There are phones with weaker specs than my sgs4g that are getting ics. It's corporate greed on Sammy's part really. This is the one area, in my opinion, that apple does right. They support their devices for a good couple years. Samsung could, they just don't.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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airfluip1 said:
hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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I read something about an official statement saying Samsung is not going to update
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.

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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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Just about.
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http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...-deliver-value-pack-for-galaxy-s-smartphones/
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Samsung failure to provide future support - opinion
I for one, have always liked Samsung phones, since my Captivate, then Vibrant, when I switched to tmobile, to the SGS4G. It was a blessing to see Gingerbread release and source for the SGS4G. Especially since it is so different from the other Galaxy S cousins. The Vibrant is still waiting for Gingerbread, and they have a petition to hopefully convince Samsung into at least giving a Gingerbread update.
I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
TM

mccabet said:
I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.

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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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Where'd you read this?

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Where'd you read this?
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I would also like to know this. I have read several articles where Sammy says nothing will be released afterall.
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Saddlebags said:
But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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They made mention of a value pack, but scrapped the idea 2 days later.
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The nexus line will always get the update first after all base updates comes from google then google will give the source codes to the other company.
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Sammie's loss, 'cause all I can say is, I'm stuck with 14 months left on this contract, and looks like I'm going back to HTC after that.
This also helps me to decide on my new tablet... and the brand won't be Samsung now.

I love my phone ... but I hate Samsung.
They are a bunch of capitalist bastards. I understand that everyone is out to make money, but as it was mentioned, many people have 2 year contracts with their phone company. I for one refuse to pay $600 for a phone. That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. And personally I know many others who feel the same way ... we wait until our upgrade is available and then upgrade to the best possible option.
For those of us that feel the way that we do, not supporting their older devices just drives a knife between Samsung and us. Whether they support our phone or not... I will have this phone until my contract is up. If Samsung does not support my device I can assure you this will be my last Samsung device that I will ever purchase.

I always found that odd, like simple math escapes the masses or some lol - kats refuse to pay 600 for a phone outright, but those same kats are cool with taking it in the ass for 2 years and paying 2136 in that time frame (basic Tmo 89 a month unlimited/limited plan)
...which means you're paying a **** ton more than 600 for that phone lol
OT;
I completely understand everyone's frustrations with capitalism, but Samsung is no different than any other large or small corporation blatantly raping our asses for cash (car insurance is a great example) - that's what we're all born and bred to do, become consumers, nothing more, nothing less - everyone on this god forsaken planet epitomizes insanity with their 9-5 lives of compliance, mediocrity and consumer slavery, don't do a damn thing about it, but then expect the slave owners to listen when they have a problem with the dirty spoon they're forced to eat with - lol wake the [email protected] up ..meh, better yet, simply continue to live your life in a dream world thinking you're unique and special ..just like everyone else - yeah, it's much easier that way lol - c'est la vie

Anyone else surpised/impressed/both with Huawei's new phones?

Huawei...I didn't even know how to spell the name a month ago and I thought that Huawei phones were all about being cheap and crappy.And then BANG!MWC happened and Huawei was there with a quad-core phone with specs that match the top offerings by brands well-positioned in the industry,like HTC and LG.And I was like "WTF?".
Does anyone else feel the same?Depending on the price,I might be getting an Ascend D Quad,just to see how it fares(I have some stuff to sell ).Maybe we are looking at a big surprise?Share your opinions!

Here in Memphis they're notorious for cheap phones, but people love them. Otter boxes stay sold out.
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That device really looks nice, but I don't trust them yet to buy it. Well, let's wait to see some reviews and owner's opinion

I think the price will be the most important thing here

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100% agreed.They don't have others' brand name yet,but they sure can go with some really aggressive pricing.And imagine a 400€ quad-core phone with HD screen.It's gonna be a killer.
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That device really looks nice, but I don't trust them yet to buy it. Well, let's wait to see some reviews and owner's opinion
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That's what I'm saying here.It could possibly be the best offering around for the foreseeable,but how can we know?I'd expect it from Samsung or HTC,maybe even Sony and LG,but Huawei?They took us all by surprise.
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Here in Memphis they're notorious for cheap phones, but people love them. Otter boxes stay sold out.
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Really?Hmm...I knew about cheap,but I didn't know about popular.But still,we were talking about cheap low-end phones,not high-end.Let's see how they do there...

^ yeah, a carrier named Cricket carries a bunch of models made by them. A couple of my friends have them.
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vetvito said:
^ yeah, a carrier named Cricket carries a bunch of models made by them. A couple of my friends have them.
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And how are they quality wise?They may be cheap,but having a good value-for-money ratio is crucial nowadays.
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$150 for a phone with no contract. Build quality is the same as a old HTC Hero, same specs too. They have 1ghz models as well.
The launcher they use is pretty cool.
They run the same apps as me, so my friends aren't complaining.
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The quad core seems nice, but from why I've seen in there other phones, the software isn't very optimized with the phone and they don't seem to have there own tweaks
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Want to hear more details about the SoC that they built.
The part about it being related in some way to a 64 bit architecture interests me very much. Also wanna know the gpu used, Oh do I hope it's a sgx 544.
$1 gets you a reply

tolis626 said:
100% agreed.They don't have others' brand name yet,but they sure can go with some really aggressive pricing.And imagine a 400€ quad-core phone with HD screen.It's gonna be a killer.
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I do hope Huawei becomes the first guys to start driving the high-end price down. Everyone's pretty much been charging in a similar ballpark as iPhone, and Android can stand to gain much more traction offering comparable competition at $400, for example. I don't really doubt the Windows Phones would follow suit (though who knows about Apple; I can see them trying to continue and being turned into a dinosaur like in that same old story) and in the end, the consumers win.
After all, the truth is we probably have more features than we need anyway atm (though it pains me to say it, what with my rooting for waterproofing and Ubuntu for Android) and maybe it's time for a cost-cutting phase of the development cycle. Reduced increase of features combined with a greater reduction of price.
Course, whether or not this ends up happening is all Huawei's show. They've been getting a lot of publicity as the guy who's starting to make legit high-end phones, and it's all up to them to usher in this kind of paradigm. (The other manufacturers certainly won't.)

thebobp said:
I do hope Huawei becomes the first guys to start driving the high-end price down. Everyone's pretty much been charging in a similar ballpark as iPhone, and Android can stand to gain much more traction offering comparable competition at $400, for example. I don't really doubt the Windows Phones would follow suit (though who knows about Apple; I can see them trying to continue and being turned into a dinosaur like in that same old story) and in the end, the consumers win.
After all, the truth is we probably have more features than we need anyway atm (though it pains me to say it, what with my rooting for waterproofing and Ubuntu for Android) and maybe it's time for a cost-cutting phase of the development cycle. Reduced increase of features combined with a greater reduction of price.
Course, whether or not this ends up happening is all Huawei's show. They've been getting a lot of publicity as the guy who's starting to make legit high-end phones, and it's all up to them to usher in this kind of paradigm. (The other manufacturers certainly won't.)
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Yep,these are my thoughts.Samsung or HTC or any of the others don't see the need to reduce prices.Why would they after all?BUT,if someone put pressure on them,things might change.For the time being,500-600€ are too much for,say,a student.

I am really impressed with the Ascend D Quad. Depending on the price, it can really compete with top Android OEMs. Btw, does Huawei have their own UI on top of the android os?

jeronski said:
I am really impressed with the Ascend D Quad. Depending on the price, it can really compete with top Android OEMs. Btw, does Huawei have their own UI on top of the android os?
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Nope,and that's the beauty of it.
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tolis626 said:
Nope,and that's the beauty of it.
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How reliable is your source for this; this would be awesome! Not only are the UI's starting to be seen as bloatware, but they would be able to release updates probably much sooner than their competitors. Price and market it right, ride the free publicity they've been getting, and Huawei could very well become the next Android standard bearer.

More competition is always welcome. I only hope they'll manage to deliver good quality for a low price. Ascend P1 S looks promising too.

Why wont google make a better phone?

why are they shooting for cheap?? why not price it at 500-600 dollars but make it a quality phone?? show the world what they are capable of.

HRodMusic said:
why are they shooting for cheap?? why not price it at 500-600 dollars but make it a quality phone?? show the world what they are capable of.
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Price at £500, get x sales
Price at £300, get 2x sales + recognition as a reasonably pricing company, with a quality product, and a lot more factors.
It's business. That's why.

Why post this question? This is another useless thread.

Honestly the nexus 5's quality is on par with some of the higher end smartphones available right now. Admittingly the speakers and camera are not the best, but other than that it's a good phone. There's really no reason for most companies to jack up the price of their phones to $500-600. Just because it costs that much doesn't mean it's quality. If you look at how much it costs to build a nexus phone, vs a leading high end smartphone, you'll see there's not a lot of difference.

They want to put this phone in as many hands as they can. What do you think they make all that money from?

What do you mean? Google is barely charging a mark up. That's why its cheap. Not because they're using. Cheap parts
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sunil237 said:
Price at £500, get x sales
Price at £300, get 2x sales + recognition as a reasonably pricing company, with a quality product, and a lot more factors.
It's business. That's why.
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than have 2 products. gotta please your other customers that want the very best.

jd1639 said:
Why post this question? This is another useless thread.
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its not useless, i just want to see what other people think. if you disagree, then tell me why you prefer just the cheap version.
Thanks.

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HRodMusic said:
its not useless, i just want to see what other people think. if you disagree, then tell me why you prefer just the cheap version.
Thanks.
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I think you're the only one here who believes this phone is cheap. Again as stated before, Google does not mark up their devices very much, thus creating a more affordable price. Samsung, HTC, Apple, everyone else will mark theirs up a lot more, but they also do this to pay the middle man (warehouses, retail stores, etc). Google sells their own hardware on their own website, so they're cutting out a lot of the middle men, thus keeping prices down.

Rarscaryfrosty said:
I think you're the only one here who believes this phone is cheap. Again as stated before, Google does not mark up their devices very much, thus creating a more affordable price. Samsung, HTC, Apple, everyone else will mark theirs up a lot more, but they also do this to pay the middle man (warehouses, retail stores, etc). Google sells their own hardware on their own website, so they're cutting out a lot of the middle men, thus keeping prices down.
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i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...

Seems like people are really stuck on stats and fluff.
So if the N5 had aluminum, would that make it "premium"?
Does it need a 42MP camera, with 3.5GHz 8 core CPU, 4GB RAM, 4K display and 128GB ROM?
Why not make a smart phone that is truly smart, doesn't need bleeding edge stats to run AND be affordable. Oh, that's right Google has already done that with the Moto X and now N5.

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i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...
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You have had 15 phones in the past 39 months (a phone change every 2.6 months). I don't see why this is a big deal for you. If they did make a 'better phone' there would be an even better one released a couple months later. They are building a brand...normal people are starting to understand what a Nexus device is (and most can afford one). To put a whole new chipset in a phone requires substantially more money and carries more chances of bugs. Google is starting to influence hardware chip designs with Android's features and I am sure they have a plan to release a feature complete phone that is better than everything else in due time.
Stop complaining and enjoy your new toy.

Then the OEMS have no reason to complete other than custom skins. Like Microsoft and windows 8 tablet and phones
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HRodMusic said:
i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...
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Sell it and buy yourself an Iphone 5S, you haven't tried that yet. Maybe that will satisfy your high expectations. :fingers-crossed:

grneyez said:
Sell it and buy yourself an Iphone 5S, you haven't tried that yet. Maybe that will satisfy your high expectations. :fingers-crossed:
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hahaha naw im good with the iphone 5 for now.

Can we have this thread closed, it's another unnecessary thread that doesn't help with anything and is also in the wrong section.
Please close.
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Nexus 5 is awesome. Enuff said!
Also agree pointless thread.
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The Nexus `s are meant to serve as an example and showcase for other oem`s regarding how software should be like. That aside the Nexus 5 hardware is very very good compared to the price you pay

Can't wait till all the love or hate threads die down.
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Going to upgrade; Need some advice

The OPO is getting old now, I've had my 3years worth and loved it despite the issues I've faced!
However it's time to upgrade (new job, more money )
I'm in the mix between ;
Pixel 1 XL - £400 (Really like this phone, although the age is putting me off SLIGHTLY due to not going to get many official updates)
Pixel 2 - £630 (Quite a bit expensive, will leave me quite skint but possibly worth it; I want this device the most)
LG G6 - £400ish? £500 with a floating LG speaker (I REALLY like this device, especially for the money but the skin and delay in updates will probably make me ill lol)
Oneplus 5 8GB ram - £450 (student discount) (obviously this looks like the no brainer but i KNOW the jelly effect will really get to me, in nearly every review of it on youtube i notice it when they scroll; no one can change my mind about this but I've added it to see if theres yet a fix for it? or is there going to be one? I havent seen anything about it?)
;
And these are the phones, can anybody steer me into the right way? I honestly cannot decide, and my mind hasnt been made so I'm not biased against any however I'm least keen about the OP5.

idonttakedrugs said:
The OPO is getting old now, I've had my 3years worth and loved it despite the issues I've faced!
However it's time to upgrade (new job, more money )
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From what I know,you need a device with good(not average) camera,is that correct?

Mr.Ak said:
From what I know,you need a device with good(not average) camera,is that correct?
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yeah man, i'm into my instagram and snapchat

idonttakedrugs said:
yeah man, i'm into my instagram and snapchat
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Well,Redmi Note 4 and lenovo p2 is off the list..
How about Honor 6x/mate 9 lite? It has quite good camera.
https://m.gsmarena.com/huawei_honor_6x-8388.php
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x
Confirmed oreo- https://www.google.co.in/search?dcr...s-hp..3.10.1782.3..41j0i131k1.285.tJCudWVwAAc

Mr.Ak said:
Well,Redmi Note 4 and lenovo p2 is off the list..
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I wouldn't choose them sort of phones anyway mate due to the inconvenience such as; they'd be imported, wouldnt have good support if anything was to happen and the sites selling the xiaomis at least havent had the best reviews.
The phones i suggested i can buy in town without hesitation, even the Oneplus 5 due to being in the UK and o2 selling oneplus products
I just want something that works, is great all round and smooth. (and something i'm able to flaunt to ALL of my iPhone friends that claim Android is for 'tramps and emo geeks' hahah )

idonttakedrugs said:
I wouldn't choose them sort of phones anyway mate due to the inconvenience such as; they'd be imported, wouldnt have good support if anything was to happen and the sites selling the xiaomis at least havent had the best reviews.
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Not really,except for average camera,it is actually a good device.Anyways,have a look at my edited post.

Mr.Ak said:
Not really,except for average camera,it is actually a good device.Anyways,have a look at my edited post.
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Well I was going to get the honor when it was just out as my dad asked if i wanted to get it off him and swap him for my opo with some money on top but the software is a big killer, possibly THEA worst android skin on a mainstream phone. The look, the feel and everything is clunky and pretty fairly disgusting.
I dont think theres any other phone on the market I'd have other than i've stated, I really like the Moto Z but I can't find it for sale in the UK (reasonably priced anyway), Also like Sony xperia phones but again, they're too expensive for what they are. The new HTC u11 is £600 so again, too expensive all considering.

idonttakedrugs said:
Well I was going to get the honor when it was just out as my dad asked if i wanted to get it off him and swap him for my opo with some money on top but the software is a big killer, possibly THEA worst android skin on a mainstream phone. The look, the feel and everything is clunky and pretty fairly disgusting.
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That's why custom ROMs are there,aren't they?
PS: you should wait for Honor 7X- https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x/how-to/wait-honor-7x-t3683703

Mr.Ak said:
That's why custom ROMs are there,aren't they?
PS: you should wait for Honor 7X- https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x/how-to/wait-honor-7x-t3683703
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i did say i want something that just works , ive spent TOO much of my time flashing with all the phones i've had purely because they were bad from factory, Oneplus One included with its shocking stock camera driver

idonttakedrugs said:
i did say i want something that just works , ive spent TOO much of my time flashing with all the phones i've had purely because they were bad from factory, Oneplus One included with its shocking stock camera driver
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I almost forgot.Congratulations for the new job.☺

Mr.Ak said:
I almost forgot.Congratulations for the new job.
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cheers bro :good: