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moving to canada as soon as i get the money and gas money.
http://www.yousaytoo.com/congressio...-the-bill-allowed/1434936#.Tsl5xNcWPKM.tumblr
SCREW THIS GOVERNMENT.
All they're accomplishing by doing this is stirring even more public distrust and hatred towards the government.
You Americans always...You think your government are downright assholes?Come to Greece!The place where idiocy is considered a fundamental "trait" if someone wants to lead the country.
I'm so depressed now...
With the current nutjobs in the majority in the House I am not suprised. All they are about is tax cuts for the rich and de-regulate all big corporations and banks so they can rob us and poison us at the same time. It is just creeping fascism, but maybe the "creeping" is actually "running" now days. Couple that with the Roberts SCOTUS that says that corporations are people and money is speech (Citizen's united) and are allowed to buy elections, we are screwed.
Since the elite have already bought off the corporate "news" media, now they want the last bastion of free speech, the "internets".
This is really a secret conspiracy hatched by the VPN providers to force everyone to use their services or risk being thrown in jail.
Actually its Hollywood. The same people who tried to sue back in the 90's to ban mp3 players.
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The thing is also Google does have lobbyists in congress and Google is against it. Sony is too, and Microsoft Telecom hate it too
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The thing is also Google does have lobbyists in congress and Google is against it. Sony is too, and Microsoft Telecom hate it too
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As big as Hollywood companies are, Google, Sony, and Microsoft are a LOT bigger.
This bill won't pass, not with companies like this trying to stop it, because we all know who can pay the government more.
Wow , such corruption and bribery can never be tolerated in Singapore
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funny thing is even Google and other big online guys are against this SOPA bill
In another post, Tepp said that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce "will always stand" on the "side of American businesses"--an odd statement given that the list of businesses opposed to SOPA includes eBay, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, AOL, Zynga, and many other technology companies. (See CNET's FAQ and our previous coverage of security concerns.)
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well... ****. Am I the only one who saw internet censorship coming?
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**** like this makes me want to just throw away technology and move to a mountanous area in some third world country.
here's the link to sign the petition against this bs: http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/sopa_testimony/?akid=1018.606560.JTkqV4&rd=1&t=2
share it on facebook, twitter etc.. make your voices heard
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You Americans always...You think your government are downright assholes?Come to Greece!The place where idiocy is considered a fundamental "trait" if someone wants to lead the country.
I'm so depressed now...
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Ahhh. greece.. it just as nice as i thought it would be.
I was lmfao when i saw this bill. This bill is going to drop harder than anything. Piracy actually helps sales. One friend pirates movie oh i saw that movie etc you should see it to.
If it does pass piracy is going to be hitting harder than it was before. Movies will be pirated while the scene is actually taking place. Behind the scenes all the time.
Sad thing is that these companies are legally allowed to bribe our elected officials through a process called lobbying.
Lobbying should be illegal.
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Sad thing is that these companies are legally allowed to bribe our elected officials through a process called lobbying.
Lobbying should be illegal.
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The problem is that the same people who could make lobbying illegal are the politicians getting the money! They are enjoying their payoffs way too much to make a law against getting free money from lobbyists
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The problem is that the same people who could make lobbying illegal are the politicians getting the money! They are enjoying their payoffs way too much to make a law against getting free money from lobbyists
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It's a vicious cycle...
Too bad we can't really do anything about it.. Who doesn't want free money?
I wonder why "big pharma" would be against it. Canadian online drugstores making that big a dent in their profits or are they afraid of the free exchange of homeopathic remedies or is it (most likely) that the internet makes it easier for people who have suffered severe side effects from their overpriced medicines to find each other and start class action suits?
You can fight this and many other horrible bills that our bought congress creates at demandprogress.org. They organize many petitions against these bills.
There are rumors that Apple just wasted $100 Million in legal disputes Against HTC. Apparently, Apple patents did not hold up against HTC in court. The only patent that was successful was about tiny software feature in email app used by HTC on Android Phones.
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Lol that's awesome! Maybe they should worry about making some new devices (maybe one with 4G) and quit worrying about what HTC and Samsung are doing.
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There are rumors that Apple just wasted $100 Million in legal disputes Against HTC. Apparently, Apple patents did not hold up against HTC in court. The only patent that was successful was about tiny software feature in email app used by HTC on Android Phones.
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PWNED.
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So? They make money on their phones and can afford to protect it. Hardly a waste even if it's unsuccessful.
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I am fairly certain Apple can afford to lose such amount. I don't think they act on impulse, they plan very very carefully and consider the risks. Plus any publicity is good publicity. Just sayin'.
Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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I am fairly certain Apple can afford to lose such amount. I don't think they act on impulse, they plan very very carefully and consider the risks. Plus any publicity is good publicity. Just sayin'.
Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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I agree, Apple certainly, with their wealth, should afford to lose those amounts, however it's still a lot of money nonetheless.
Then I don't hate Apple, they have rather decent products, however I strongly dislike their ways of marketing and the way they abuse their (imho) way to big list of parents to bully other companies.
That said, if this is true, I suppose I'm happy it didn't go through since, from my understanding, $100 mil in legal disputes could have caused HTC quite some problems.
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Having said that, I hate Apple, they are bullies to say the least.
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Not really.
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Apple get mad
Don't like apple so don't care if they waste their money anyway.
instead of suing every mobile manufacturer on the planet (HTC, Motorola, Samsung...) apple should focus on improving that horrible os they have.
Apple is not compatible to android overall IMHO and therefore has to use the money they make off the fanboys to try to attack the better companies. Let em waste their money.
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I like apple, iphone is cool cause everyone has one. And it has a screen.
Lol not every one has iPhone...
I have a HTC legend and it also has a screen.
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Lol ranger .. XD
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Apple is not compatible to android overall IMHO and therefore has to use the money they make off the fanboys to try to attack the better companies. Let em waste their money.
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instead of suing every mobile manufacturer on the planet (HTC, Motorola, Samsung...) apple should focus on improving that horrible os they have.
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Fanboys are so annoying.
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I wonder why Apple seems to win every legal dispute in Germany, but not in any other country. News says that courts in Düsseldorf and Mannheim both state, that Samsung/HTC infringes Apple's design rights, which is not patent-related. German law says, that products are not allowed to look the same. So all the judges here think that Samsung's products look the same as those from Apple.
Samsung's and HTC's "counter attack" is about patents, umts technology and such. But the German courts dismiss these technical claims. It's really weird (but nice) to hear that results of these legal disputes are the complete other way 'round in the rest of the world.
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Ditto...
The point to me is that Apple's wasting money it could be using to develop better phones and tech with. And at the same time, it's forcing other companies to waste money, time and resources to battle it. That just holds back the industry and stifles innovation.
I used to be a big fan of Apple (not to the extent of being a fanboy) for how smooth their system was and is. But in the past 5 years, with all the DRM issues (starting with the iPod, even though I had one) and locking down their system so you feel you're borrowing your phone from them rather than buying it, and the patent trolling, I'm just getting more and more disillusioned...
*shrug* Feel free to correct me, but hasn't everything here essentially been stolen from the FLOSS community? The only thing these companies even provide anymore is package management and a GUI. For Apple this practice goes back to Darwin and for Google android. I suppose it's possible that the iPhone source is based on Unix (I can't do an audit).
I don't think android leverages much of X11 either.
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/apples-us-antisuit-lawsuit-against.html
You couldn't make this up, Apple are suing Motorola in the US so that, if successful, Motorola can never again take them to court (ever) for the patent infringements Apple specify. Not only that but if, as is expected, Apple win then courts in other countries are expected to also come down on Apples side in their countries Motorola cases.
As the article states:
"this is a very serious issue, and it could have major impact. Beyond presenting a good chance that Motorola will in the not too distant future be effectively precluded from enforcing its baseband patents against the iPhone 4S (and Apple products to be released in the near term), this could further increase the likelihood of serious antitrust trouble for Google-MMI in Europe and, in a worst-case scenario, it could reflect very unfavorably on Google-MMI's credibility in certain important circles."
The article then explains how Motorola, and Google (yes both companies), would also be liable to pay Apple damages for breach of contract and unfair licensing issues.
Seriously, how can you sue your competition so they can't sue you? I think that's just nuts.
The patent system is so broken and just needs a major overhaul. It's so disgusting how Apple is abusing this and the legal system. And taking someone's ability to sue and defend themselves is just insane!
It really frustrates me to see Apple do this I mean come on seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if apple wins this too since they seem to win most of there legal battle some how.
I think the biggest problem is these companies know that judges have no real clue when it comes to technology and they are using it to their advantage. Truth is I don't see them winning their no sue side of it. The truth here is that Apple is scared because Google is planning to sue them with the patents Motorola has and this is just a preemptive legal strike... but I don't see it working.
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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What make laugh in all this is apple didn't even invent slide to unlock yet they are allowed to sue others for using ,yet the blatantly rip off pull down notifications and nothing happens,would not suprise me if they tried to patent pull down notifications
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Funny you should mention that as they patented push notifications already.
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA
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They can't, technically Apple owns USA, they have more money than the entire USA treasury
Apple can buy out the entire USA debt and it will technically own USA
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Apple has around $100 billion ...American debt is in the Trillions....in one month America spends around that much on the military/wars ...wtf are you talking about?
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The government needs to slap Apple with so many fines.
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The government would have to slap themselves first...its the system thats complete crap and broken.
Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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Lol...Apple could maybe buy Greece instead.
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If apple buys out Greece they can then sue even more.
Why are Microsoft Getting away from all of this
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As much as I dislike Apple, they seem to have better lawyers. You would think Google has better coonections with all that money they throwing at lobbyist. Have them lobby to redo the damn patent system.
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Well this time around Apply once again has a lawsuit. This time its against Google for having a similar unlock screen on some devices. Apple is not going to stop with their crying over everything. I don't think apple products are bad, but i hate them. Apple has way to much control over what you can and can't do. I don't want Android to lose its rights to use what they want. And if we talk about coping; after android got their duel core phones/tablets guess what apple got them released next, Then new iPad 3 is going to have hdmi port and microSD and iSO5 notification pull down bar guess who had them first in their products? What im trying to say im tired of apple wanna be. If they always keep getting what they want they will rule the markets and thats not good because prices will go up and we'll lose the ability to customize our phones if android goes out of business. We as a community, developers and users, have a right to say what we feel about what apple is doing. And government cant oppose us people because they rely on our support. We need to work together as a whole and bring a stop to apple. Im not sure how we can support google, but i dont plan to sit around and do nothing. Let me know how you guys feel about this and if your willing to help.
Thank You all for your time.
You mean Apple vs Motorola
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You mean Apple vs Motorola
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No i mean Android Because Motorola is just a beginning http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...-price-for-ios-similarities/18253?tag=nl.e539
I really hope this thread doesn't turn into a android vs apple flame war
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Perhaps this is naive, but I'm wondering why the Android makers haven't formed an alliance to countersue the f out of Apple and Microsoft (and anyone else who tries to enforce these ridiculously broad design claims). Surely they have enough patents between them to make it happen.
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No i mean Android Because Motorola is just a beginning http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...-price-for-ios-similarities/18253?tag=nl.e539
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Oh cute article. Apple is suing Motorola.
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Oh cute article. Apple is suing Motorola.
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Those things will be just ended with nothing! I think Motorola should start 'full-scale' attack against Apple since Apple starting the war first IMHO .
Im thinking of contacting Motorola or Google to see if there is any way we can all help them out to put Apple in their place.
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Im thinking of contacting Motorola or Google to see if there is any way we can all help them out to put Apple in their place.
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Business is Business. Never really understood why fanboys want to make it out to be some kind of holy war.
Both companies are trying to make money anyway they can, both are guilty of pushing as far as they can, and that is all they care about. They certainly don't care about you.
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Business is Business. Never really understood why fanboys want to make it out to be some kind of holy war.
Both companies are trying to make money anyway they can, both are guilty of pushing as far as they can, and that is all they care about. They certainly don't care about you.
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Illicit Hero said:
Business is Business. Never really understood why fanboys want to make it out to be some kind of holy war.
Both companies are trying to make money anyway they can, both are guilty of pushing as far as they can, and that is all they care about. They certainly don't care about you.
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Sure it's business, but us consumers end up footing the bill for these frivolous patents. I don't want to pay Microsoft for something they had essentially nothing to do with.
I posted this in a thread already. It was closed and referred to my other lawsuit thread lol.
More worthless applesauce suits...Go Google!
Why don't they focus in developing their products but litigation whole years.
Android is growing up!!!
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Perhaps this is naive, but I'm wondering why the Android makers haven't formed an alliance to countersue the f out of Apple and Microsoft (and anyone else who tries to enforce these ridiculously broad design claims). Surely they have enough patents between them to make it happen.
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I've always wondered this myself.
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These court battles are getting boring.
Apple must be losing a lot of money for them to keep chasing around these court cases like this. Maybe if they kept coming up with innovative ideas like they used to they'd be able to maintain a healthy competition.
I love Android but I think that choice should be there. Things tend to change when an economy is monopolized by one company.
wow, such BIG companies, LOL, we use Android devices can benefit from that?
i am still amazed there is no patent on how people inhale and exhale air pfff. and all these lawsuits, it's just to get more attention. and ppl can say it's negative attention, but attention is attention. Just a way to let people talk more about Apple..
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German courts have made a ruling that means if Motorola tries to use its most important patents against Apple in a court case the company will be in violation of European Anti trust law.
As the article says:
"Apple scored a breakthrough court victory today against Motorola. Its important can hardly be overstated. This is so huge that it even begs the question of whether Google's strategy for its $12.5 billion purchase of Motorola Mobility has failed before the deal is even formally closed (they're still waiting for some regulatory approvals)."
It would be nice to see Apple bought down a peg or two but the way things are going its likely to be Google-Motorola (and therefore also Android) that is on the losing side.
After all Motorola cannot use its genuinely essential patents in court now and yet Apple can still use dumb ones like voice search, touch screen, text completion etcetera that although every decent phone nowadays has these features Apple own the patents to and have been able to use in court cases so it seems Apple now have the upper hand.
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Why, yes, Apple, you can patent intuitive actions on your devices all you please; and don't worry about those pesky other companies patenting worthwhile operating features, we'll make them play ball with you. Hahaha, let's go smoke this cigar together and laugh at all the little people.
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
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this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
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They can't develop new devices without violating apples patents anymore. When the new phones with android get released after mwc you'll see more lawsuits against those models too.
Apple will win because they have patents that are not subject to frand so don't have to let people use them.
Odd thing is that apples licence offer to motorola, which stopped the injunction on iphones in Germany, is still less than motorola asked for yet judges order them to not sue apple as a result.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Things got worse for motorola today as apple won court case over the android gallery and they have to change it or all their products running android get banned and recalled.
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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He said anti android as well which if the guy uses android as he does is unlikely.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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I thought that steve jobs was gone, apple would stop these law suits but it seems to be differing
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The patent trolling will never end.
Patent fraud is some really easy money, especially when you've got easy victories guaranteed, like Apple does.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all...
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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So ridiculous.
European courts seem to be all over Apple's side.
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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saw this and i thought i would say that apple originally started all of this by suing google and HTC first
they r trying to hold back developemnet becuz thats all apple has done is steal and try and stop competition
in the long run apple will fall
and ppl only buy apple products cuz they br pretty i buy google products for quality and interfacing
all in all apple products r made for the stupid and wealthy while android/windows r made for ppl that want to improve thru the reason y google is open source
Long live open source!
Apple are thieves.
Buy an Apple product and you support your own demise.
Wake up people!
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Do your own research and decide. His name is mud on Slashdot and Groklaw. Here's one article. found at m.paidcontent.org/article/419-is-patent-expertblogger-florian-mueller-getting-too-cozy-with-microsoft/
Partial quote:
The problem lies not with Mueller’s analysis—but with his impartiality. The engineer is right when he says that Mueller has the knives out for Google. Even a casual reader of the FOSS blog can easily discern that Mueller is quick to amplify any legal setback for Google’s Android or its affiliates. His tone can be crowing and haughty—see the tendentious “Google scores an Own Goal” post about Motorola (NYSE: MMI)—and for all the world echoes Microsoft’s own “they’re getting what they deserve” attitude to Google.
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