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I can't believe I'm saying this, but the iPhone is amazing (Long post)

I know you guys probably heard this a thousand times (and a forum search shows this) and what I'm about to say is probably very cliche, but the iPhone is a pretty amazing device.
Typically, I am a WM man (I currently own an HTC Touch Pro), and I've owned WM phones/devices for a long time now. I tried other OSes (Symbian, Palm OS), but ultimately, I prefer WM. When the iPhone first appeared, I disregarded it almost entirely because it's made by Apple. As someone familiar with Apple, I just didn't like them very much (largely due to their design philosophy).
Things didn't look like they were about to change. In fact, the next phones I was seriously looking at was the Toshiba TG01, Samsung Omnia HD i9810, and Samsung Omnia Pro B7610. Two of these are Windows Mobile and one is Symbian (which I was less likely to get anyway). The only major difference is that they aren't HTC (I want to move away from HTC because I exceedingly dislike Qualcomm).
However, something special happened yesterday: My friend invited me to lunch and he showed me his new iPhone 3GS. He allowed me to play with it.
In one word: Incredible!
As my intuition knew, I ended up not liking the design of the OS (I still prefer WM's design), but I couldn't really deny how well made the iPhone really is. More than anything else, I really have to compliment how extremely optimized it really is. Opening any software, going to the home screen, playing movies/music, and doing just about anything really was incredibly smooth. The entire time I was with my friend, I just gushed and gushed about this one aspect. The reason why is because it really is incredible how fast everything was.
The truth is that when compared side to side with my Touch Pro, the speed is really the same. However, a few things to note. First, everyone know how the iPhone seems to use "gradual transitions"? To elaborate, whenever you do anything, such as opening software or rotation, it is done in real time, and you can see the changes with your eyes. This is as opposed to WM where it is done immediately (for example, rotating with my TP results in an immediate change as opposed to you seeing the screen rotate on the iPhone).
This seems like a minor thing, but it has a large effect on perception. Notably, it makes you perceive it as being faster. When I counted down the seconds on the iPhone and WM, I noticed that opening programs and rotation are really done at the same speed, but the iPhone's gradual transition effects makes you perceive it as being faster, which is actually pretty nice.
Second thing and a very important point: My TP uses a custom ROM, which is why its speed was on par with that of the iPhone. If it had been using the stock ROM, I am positive that the iPhone would have crushed it in speed.
This seems like a moot point because I *can* use custom ROMs, but note that this forum and all of its custom ROMs are largely exclusive to HTC phones (with the sole exception of the Xperia...which was made by HTC anyway). What happens if I decide to use another WM phone (for example, the Samsung B7610)? Then I would have no choice but to remain with the stock ROM or at least hope someone would develop the stray ROM for the Samsung devices (such as the i900 on XDA).
At this point, I'm also willing to blame the speed issue on hardware. After all, the iPhone is about 72MHZ faster than my phone, and it also also has a dedicated graphics chip. On the other hand, I also have to take into consideration that it takes a custom, optimized ROM for my device to keep up with the stock ROM on a series of device which is notorious for being outdated (anyone remember the iPhone 2G)?
If anyone is wondering, am I thinking about switching to the dark side? Unfortunately, no. While the huge number of apps and the great speed is tantalizing, I am still the guy who frequently spends 4+ hours changing the ROMs on his phones (and tweaking it afterwards). I'm also the guy who frequently goes into the settings menu because he nitpicks about how each little thing on his phone works.
Can I switch to something that won't allow me that much customization? Speaking as someone who's about to change the ROM on his phone again, the answer appears to be a pretty clear 'no' as this point.
On, the other hand, while playing with the iPhone, I did find myself wishing that the Windows Mobile experience was as smooth, and great as with the iPhone, especially on stock ROMs. I also did find myself wondering what Windows Mobile 7 will be like (I can't wonder with WM6.5 because I'm using it now). But of course, what do people saying about wishing too much? It's useless.
Am I going mad?

I'd take an iphone over any WM device any day of the week, but I absolutely refuse to pay $70+ a month just to use it.

Exactly how many apps are there for windows mobile?
Until recently I assumed that WinMo>Symbian>Iphone.
Apparently that's wrong.

I was going to buy one with all the other sheep but decided to buy an ipod touch. Works great, but the first time I put it in my pocket and crouched down a bit later it nealy killed it!
Screen went a nice mix of colours and it totally stopped working. Quite a few plug ins to the computer and it came back to life.
There just to fragile and to big(iphone is thicker than the touch also), good girls phone or if you carry a handbag.
Glade I got the Jade not a problem so far.

thedigitel said:
I'd take an iphone over any WM device any day of the week, but I absolutely refuse to pay $70+ a month just to use it.
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Is that the AT&T contract you have to sign up for to get an iPhone? If that's the case, why not just buy the iPhone unlocked? It's expensive, but it cost about as much as any HTC phone I've seen.
charge1313 said:
Exactly how many apps are there for windows mobile?
Until recently I assumed that WinMo>Symbian>Iphone.
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As of right now, the iPhone has roughly 50K-60K of apps while the last article detailing how many apps Windows Mobile seems to have stopped at 20K. Futhermore, the iPhone famously beaten Windows Mobile in reaching 25K apps, and I find it highly unlikely that Windows Mobile caught up.
Even from an outside perspective, though, it seems to me that the iPhone has an impressive number of apps, including a plethora of ones that Windows Mobile never seems to get (or is even capable of getting).
stu-k said:
I was going to buy one with all the other sheep but decided to buy an ipod touch. Works great, but the first time I put it in my pocket and crouched down a bit later it nealy killed it!
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Well, the iPod Touch would make sense, but I would rather not have to carry two devices around. It seems better to me to have an all-in-one device in this case and, if nothing else, it would allow me to utilize the numerous phone-related apps in the app store.

I entirely agree.
My wife has a Gen 1 iphone, and I recently updated it to version 3 and unlocked and jailbreaked.
In the old days, WM had thousands of apps as one of its killer features.
I recently spent a few evenings installing apps on the wife's phone, and I was blown away. Not necessarily by the quality, but by the experience.
Everything is smooth, everything works, the user experience is "unchallenging".
I love tweaking, I love coding, I love spending MONTHS dissecting the WinMob OS to implement a tiny hack. But you know what? Why bother?!
I can't see myself giving up on WinMob - it's got momentum, and I can't be bothered to learn Objective C. I'm barely coping with C++ as it is.
But, to paraphrase Gauntlet, "WinMob [may be] about to die".
In defence of WinMob:
It's p*sses me off something crazy that when Gizmondo et all were reviewing the Palm Pre, multi tasking was one of the killer features. WinMob has had it FOREVER.
It's a good OS, it multitasks, it generally works, it can make calls and emails and whatnot.
But - the user experience is OLD.
And I think one of the most fundamental flaws is also one of the biggest strengths - WinMob runs on a hundred kinds of hardware. But the problem:
WinMob runs on a hundred kinds of hardware.
Some of those have graphic accelerators, some don't.
Some have dpads, some don't.
Some have 600mhz CPUs, some don't.
The iphone is a single homogeneous ecosystem.
Coders know they can anti-alias without trying to code to the lowest common denominator 200mhz phone with 16mb of ram. They know exactly what they're gonna get with an iphone. And that fact means they know the limitations, and how to pitch what they've got at the right performance considerations. They know what they're working on. The Human Interface spec is incredible, and incredibly helpful. Users expect an experience, naturally, because it feels natural. Apple encourages that, and coders have to honour it.
I think most of the iphone experience can and should be emulated on WinMob.
I'm not just talking about cloning Springboard and everything else. Yes, we can emulate this and that - our coders on XDA devs are incredible, and could do every bit of it.
But we need more: the experience of just being able to use the phone and expect it to work needs to be emulated.
I don't think the iphone is necessarily a better piece of hardware: I prefer my Touch HD. But clearly the user experience, the user interface paradigm, the reward of just being able to use the thing easily needs to be implemented - from the ground up.
I don't think this is going to happen on WinMob; I think the strength/limitations of a wide open platform means this probably can't happen. I think that like Win CE before it, WinMob will end up being relegated to a certain environment that has low expectations (eg Enterprise markets).
But if "Windows" devices are going to survive, I think the change has to happen at a much higher level. I can only hope that Pink or whatever is on the horizon for WinMob 7 is an integrated piece of hardware and user experience designed from the ground up to feel like it's the 21st century... using WinMob out of pity is going to get old, very very soon.
V

8525Smart said:
Well, the iPod Touch would make sense, but I would rather not have to carry two devices around. It seems better to me to have an all-in-one device in this case and, if nothing else, it would allow me to utilize the numerous phone-related apps in the app store.
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Have to agree, I hate carry around two devices. Hence no longer use Ipod touch on the go, just leave it at home in docking station, which its good for.
Use the Jade for music and a phone which fits on my pocket.
I find the istore apps mostly gimmicks anyways, which you pay for and never use.
A smaller tougher Iphone would be good

vijay555 said:
I entirely agree.
In defence of WinMob:
It's p*sses me off something crazy that when Gizmondo et all were reviewing the Palm Pre, multi tasking was one of the killer features. WinMob has had it FOREVER.
It's a good OS, it multitasks, it generally works, it can make calls and emails and whatnot.
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Oh my God, yes, YES!
I can't count the number of times I had to defend WinMo against people who obviously never used it. The number of ridiculously comments I seen was ludicrous and often times seem as if the people saying it were just parroting common criticisms as opposed to their actual experience.
One guy I saw even suggested that receiving text/emails and switching between apps was impossible.
On the other hand, I agree with the rest of your post too (as is the subject of my topic). I think you really hit the nail on the head: Windows Mobile's biggest strength, its availability on multiple phones, is also its biggest weakness.
As an owner of a Fuze, an HTC phone with an accelerometer, the lack of accelero-meter WinMo apps makes it very apparent.
I do agree with you that Microsoft needs to do something, at the very least, about the user experience, but I really don't see how it can be done. The iPhone is able to achieve this because it is a software available on one hardware designed by Apple themselves. In order for Microsoft to achieve the same quality of apps or user experience, they would have to design Windows Mobile to take advantage of a particular hardware specification.
As of currently, the best Microsoft can probably achieve is to design Windows Mobile with the best optimization they can while maintaining good compatibility and appearance with a wide number of hardware.
stu-k said:
HI find the istore apps mostly gimmicks anyways, which you pay for and never use.
A smaller tougher Iphone would be good
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That may be true, but to be fair, the Windows Mobile landscape isn't exactly clear of 'gimmicky' apps either. Some of them even inspired by iPhone equivalents.
HDWobble, anyone?

The 3GS is faster not because of the clock speed, but because the A8 Cortex beats the pants out of the (very long in the tooth) ARM11 in the TP (and TP2, why HTC, why?!!!).
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3595&p=4

This is going to see as an odd first post but i am a jailbroken and unlocked iphone user. I have been tinkering with the iphone the way you guys tinker with winmo for 2 years now. To the original poster, if you are such a tinkerer and want to tinker with something new a jailbroken iphone is for you.
Some of THE BEST apps for the iphone are not in the apple app store because apple would never allow it.
I myself am starting to look at the TP2 and winmo phones because i was REALLLLLLLLLLLLY looking forward to the Nokia N97 and that thing just let me down a ton. I have a HTC Hero coming to play with for a while but besides the widgets i don't see a whole lot different between the new TF3D 2 on the TP2 or the TD2 and the Hero.
There are tons of useful 3rd party jailbroken apps and hacks that you can do that make the iphone even THAT much more useable. For instance the 3rd party text messaging applications are w/o question better than the stock apple version however because how they are designed they would never be approved for the app store. Also, there is a hack app called "backgrounder" which allows me to run apps in the background and multi task.

jim_0068 said:
This is going to see as an odd first post but i am a jailbroken and unlocked iphone user. I have been tinkering with the iphone the way you guys tinker with winmo for 2 years now. To the original poster, if you are such a tinkerer and want to tinker with something new a jailbroken iphone is for you.
Some of THE BEST apps for the iphone are not in the apple app store because apple would never allow it.
I myself am starting to look at the TP2 and winmo phones because i was REALLLLLLLLLLLLY looking forward to the Nokia N97 and that thing just let me down a ton. I have a HTC Hero coming to play with for a while but besides the widgets i don't see a whole lot different between the new TF3D 2 on the TP2 or the TD2 and the Hero.
There are tons of useful 3rd party jailbroken apps and hacks that you can do that make the iphone even THAT much more useable. For instance the 3rd party text messaging applications are w/o question better than the stock apple version however because how they are designed they would never be approved for the app store. Also, there is a hack app called "backgrounder" which allows me to run apps in the background and multi task.
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Holy crap are you talking about the iPhone? Is the backgrounder for the iPhone? Can I have more information on how this works?
Here is a more important question... will the backgrounder app allow 3rd party alarm applications to finally work on the iPhone?
Will the backgrounder also allow automatic profile scheduling?

poetryrocksalot said:
Holy crap are you talking about the iPhone? Is the backgrounder for the iPhone? Can I have more information on how this works?
Here is a more important question... will the backgrounder app allow 3rd party alarm applications to finally work on the iPhone?
Will the backgrounder also allow automatic profile scheduling?
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yes. but Backgrounder is not compatible with the new 3.0 OS.
and on the 3G you do not exactly have lots of Ram to spare though. only ~34MB after a reset. and applications are not exactly light weight.
i believe profile scheduling is available through other means. but have not really looked into it. Performance really takes a nose dive when you start asking it to do extra stuff due to the lack of Ram.

crazy talk said:
yes. but Backgrounder is not compatible with the new 3.0 OS.
and on the 3G you do not exactly have lots of Ram to spare though. only ~34MB after a reset. and applications are not exactly light weight.
i believe profile scheduling is available through other means. but have not really looked into it. Performance really takes a nose dive when you start asking it to do extra stuff due to the lack of Ram.
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Oh that's a shame... this app is useless then. I heard that Apple is considering the idea of having full support for background applications.
The problem is that:
1) Apple knows that not many people care about "background" applications.
2) Consumer common sense is distorted in that they don't understand the purpose of multi-task. They believe that multi-task is already on the iPhone because obviously, you can "exit the application into another application". This isn't the point, a true multitasking system requires A) background applications B) automation of background functions and C) the ability to switch tasks in the foreground of an application.
3) Apple knows that adding background applications will result in people complaining of slowness because 1) Alot of people still don't know what RAM is, not even my sister who is a 4+ year college student working on her masters and 2) Alot of people do not know how to manage a platform involving background applications and 3) average consumers would rather sacrifice functionality for ease-of-use.
I believe the emphasis of this multi-tasking is not a multi-tasking complaint. Idiots are prone to think that the iPhone already has multi-tasking; I've seem them argue about it. We need to add a mentality to people in which they learn that it isn't about multi-tasking, it's about background applications and how we need applications to function in the background.

Well the 3GS has double the ram and faster processor, hopefully they (third-parties) can find a way to make actual multi-tasking more plausible.

new beast in town
the android os is really taking shape and will soon be king. with so many different devices coming aboard this thing will be huge. the g1 now is awesome with just a little tweaking and those who don't want to tweak there are 2 more ota coming in the next 5 months.

nonzenze said:
The 3GS is faster not because of the clock speed, but because the A8 Cortex beats the pants out of the (very long in the tooth) ARM11 in the TP (and TP2, why HTC, why?!!!).
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3595&p=4
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Hmm, very informative read, Thank you,
So the 3GS apparently has a superior CPU in more ways than one, which I'm not really surprised about. I did mentioned that I did not like HTC's choice of CPUs...which they're still using in their newest devices. Many other devices are already using the Cortex A8, so if it is the case that HTC is losing out due to the CPU, then that doesn't bode well for their future phones.
jim_0068 said:
To the original poster, if you are such a tinkerer and want to tinker with something new a jailbroken iphone is for you.
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Yes, everything you said is true. A jailbroken iPhone is a very nice thing and probably does well for tinkerers. In fact, the 3GS that my friend let me used was jailbroken too.
However, truthfully, installing apps that lets me do new things wasn't what I was really referring to before. Instead, I was largely referring to the changing of ROMs/OS. I believe the iPhone has made some progress running Linux, but nothing else as far as I can see. WM Phone has so many different ROMs available and progress has been made on running Linux (including Android) too. This allows for much more customization, in my opinion as you get the benefit of software-based customization combined with ROM/OS-based.
Besides, it's pretty fun to be running Windows Mobile 6.5 while everyone else is still using Windows Mobile 6.1.

Guys, rumours are the Pink/Zune Phone will be a Win 7 derived device based on hardware designed by Microsoft.
If they pull that off, as they say, "I'd buy that for a dollar".
V

My opinion is that in order to be a solid competitor, Microsoft needs to limit the hardware choices for their platform. HTC does a great job at making devices for Windows Mobile. Microsoft needs to pair up with them to make their own phone. With the new Zune HD coming out featuring the nVidia Tegra chipset, it would make a wonderful platform to build the next generation WM phone from. The thing is, it should be the only phone featuring WM 7 Professsional. It will enable Microsoft to fine tune WM to use every bit of the phone's capabilities, leaving nothing to be desired. Much like they do with their PC OS's, there can be several versions of the main OS with steps in capabilities. Their Zune HD phone should be the candidate for WM7 Ultimate, which would feature smooth transitions and speed.
Edit: Just saw the post above mine. I need to read more!

vijay555 said:
Guys, rumours are the Pink/Zune Phone will be a Win 7 derived device based on hardware designed by Microsoft.
If they pull that off, as they say, "I'd buy that for a dollar".
V
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Rumors are a bit too little to get excited, in my opinion. The possibility of a true iPhone competitor by Microsoft sounds amazing, but it's a bit underwhelming at this point.
We have no knowledge of the OS, no knowledge of the important specs (CPU, RAM, multimedia capabilities, etc) aside from Tegra, and the little specs that is publicly available kind of sucks. 3.3in screen with 480x272 res? Call me picky, but I would have hoped for 3.5-3.7in with at least 640x480.
Still, I have not followed the news of the Zune HD, and it does, indeed, look pretty amazing. The Os does at least. The Zune HD's OS appears to work amazingly well; It is incredibly fast and smooth.

8525Smart said:
Rumors are a bit too little to get excited, in my opinion. The possibility of a true iPhone competitor by Microsoft sounds amazing, but it's a bit underwhelming at this point.
We have no knowledge of the OS, no knowledge of the important specs (CPU, RAM, multimedia capabilities, etc) aside from Tegra, and the little specs that is publicly available kind of sucks. 3.3in screen with 480x272 res? Call me picky, but I would have hoped for 3.5-3.7in with at least 640x480.
Still, I have not followed the news of the Zune HD, and it does, indeed, look pretty amazing. The Os does at least. The Zune HD's OS appears to work amazingly well; It is incredibly fast and smooth.
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I really think the only company that can actually create a truly direct competitor to Apple and iPhone is Microsoft...it's the name and not the product.....
Apple had a bad rep back then and now they are doing good.
It seems like Microsoft is tagged after Apple jumped the boat to success.
We'll just have to wait for Microsoft to adopt Apple's precedent.
With Microsoft directly creating their own phone and not just an OS, we might actually get a true iPhone killer. Though Microsoft may have to revamp the entire OS and create their own line of OS totally unrelated to Windows Mobile.

HTC HD2 versus iPhone, Blackberry Storm 2

Hello,
I have been recently thinking about changing my HTC Touch Cruise for something newer. To my mind obviously came: HTC HD2, iPhone, Blackberry Storm2.
I know that specifications-wise, HTC wins. BUT...
I have recently experienced the new Blackberry and realized that: the operation system works much quicker and nicer than Windows which HTC uses. It also seems to have less problems -> my current HTC needs a good hard restart once a week or so, because it freezes on more demanding films or some music.
I thought that Windows has much more applications available - well, I am not so sure any more once I realized that thesaurus.com produced their dictionaries for... iPhone and Blackberry. Windows has lost its market and is not taken into account by the newest developers.
I am also wondering whether 4.3'' isn't a little bit too much -> I won't be able to put it into my pocket any longer!
What do you think? HTC seems to have created a very beautiful palmtop, full of great specifications but it has also committed one crucial mistake - it used Windows...
I would be grateful if you could share with me your opinions. Maybe my fear is unjustified and the newest HD2 works perfectly in all the aspects easily beating the competition?

I have to agree with you.
I have been a WM fan for the last 5 years or so and have become disilusioned with the OS. I too was looking for a change and had been watching the LEO. This is indeed a good hardware spec, but imho let down by WM6.5. I decided that I was after a better consumer experiance and opted for the iPhone. Everyone raves about them for a long time now so I decided (after much researching) that I would try one. I have not been let down by it yet. Mind you, I've only had it 3 weeks. I'm taking a punt that in 18 months or so, WM will have caught up or Andriod will have matured, but until then, I'll take a walk on the dark side.
So far I'm loving the fact that is just seems to work and it integrates with my car hifi perfecly. I can now play music and do hands free over Bluetooth. Under WM I could only do handsfree. Surfing the internet is now almost as easy as on my desktop. Safari browser beats anything else I've tried so far. The on screen keyboard was a worry at first, but it's easy to use, especialy in landscap (I have big thumbs). As a music player, well it beats WM any day of the week.
I know I will eventualy hit it's limitations, and when I do I'll consider jailbreaking, much like using custom ROMs from here realy. Untill then I'll keep an eye on the mobile development and look forward to seeing what happens in 18 months.
Good luck with your search, for now I have found my answer, I hope you find yours.
Mav

Personally I'd go for the HD2, as I rank spec more than software. The iPhone is a but too common and its pricing is a far too high for what you get (mins and txts etc). Blackberry has the same problem its too common, I know loads of people with Blackberrys who only use them for Facebook, but if your the kind of person who send and receieves loads of e-mails get a BB as they do it better than WinMo and iPhone.
Alex

Here we go again..........
Leo of course

Well I have been WM for several years and thought I would give the iPhone a trial. A BIG MISTAKE. Its dredful and im getting a HD2 next week.

I thought i'd add my comments to this, i've been predominantly symbian s60 / win mob for years now due to the fact that they "do" everything. But i think its fair to say that windows in all guises comes with the fact that as soon as you start to ask a bit of it, it sticks it's fingers up at you and stops working (symbian too, but to a lesser degree). Usually resulting in a reboot. I recently had an upgrade to do so i started researching into what i might get. In the end, after a spate with symbian, i v much wanted a win mo device but was ever so curious about the iphone. So many ppl couldn't be wrong, right? I was also deeply tempted by the blackberry bold too. I ended up going for the iphone as the upgrade and bought a TP2 as well. I just couldn't do the iphone thing on its own in case i hated it.
Pleasingly, i don't. The iphone is everything a win mo phone isn't, and vica versa. The iphone is completely dependable, never misses a beat, does what it does do perfectly and apart from some of the crazy apps, completely dull. It is frustratingly good. Even multitasking isn't really much of an issue due to push notifications and the like. I'd love to say the screen res is an issue but it never is. Safari is in a league of it's own. But it is dull. I use it as my everyday phone because it's dependable, but i use my TP2 to mess about with, i've had that many different ROM's on it it's silly, i follow forum progress with different things going on with bated breath, excited to see if they can pull this new rom off, or a linux port. It's exciting, i can modify the hell out of it and personalise it my way. I can send files via bluetooth without having to jump through hoops (unlike the iphone).
So, it comes down to what you want it to do, and if you can put up with less or more customization. There is a lot to choose from out there now and it's hard to decide. Look at the palm pre, and droid, and what about the n900 0n maemo?? Whatever you decide, you'll end up with a really good bit of kit, cos the mobile world it going potty with new stuff at the mo.
Just one last note, in defence of win mo, it may be getting a bit left behind in terms of bling, but it still remains one of the most functional os's out there, it's just that the young guns have caught up now.

Hmmm as I don't like iPhone (because everyone has it) and I wouldn't go Sony Ericsson (because I don't believe in their great ability of doing palmtops), I am personally trying to find reasons for continuing with HTC.
1.Is Windows 7 going to be released "soonish", so that if I buy HD2 now I might get some (hopefully) acceptable o/s?
2.There is also Droid Eris / HTC Dragon / HTC Passion / whatever it is called. If it is "HD2 on Google Android 2.0" then the question arises:
------is it just the case of software? If yes, I assume xda-masters will sooner or later allow easy migration between these two systems, or are there any technological obstacles? If this were true then this would be the best option -> One phone if you get bored - you can always swap to another o/s...
3. What was the market response to Android 2.0? What do you guys think about it, as compared with Windows?

I'm using Android at the moment having used WM for the past few years. It's version 1.5 and I'm loving it. Can't wait for 2.0 to come out for the Hero.
It hardly ever needs a reset - it 'just works'

The HD2 is one bad boy! No one knows when Windows 7 going to be released...maybe 3rd Q of 2010. But WM6.5.1 should be a lot sooner for the Leo...

I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol

mancsoulja said:
I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol
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Well said!
+ 1 for this!
Every new phone and threads start with comparatives...

Very, Very UNFAIR comparison!!!
Seriously, HD2, go against someone ur OWN size (aka Xperia X10, i8910 HD, Motorola Milestone, N900, Acer F1)!
Leave iPhone alone! It's NOT even a smartphone (moreover not even a basic phone as it still lacks some basic phone functionality that people had for over a decade) as it doesn't even do multitasking...
What's "blackberry"?
bye

Buying an iPhone was the best thing I ever did (from a former WinMo lover)

Let me preface my argument with an introduction: Why did I buy an iPhone to begin with? Short answer: It was a reaction to Windows Phone 7.
Long answer: As a big fan of Windows Mobile, I was pretty much devastated to hear all the news about WP7 a while back, in particular the fact that it has no backwards compatibility. Much of XDA didn't seem to share my pessimism, but me? I was extremely upset. At the time, I had wanted to purchase an HD2 after using the Fuze for so long, but I did not want to upgrade to WP7. That would have been fine, but then many companies began to drop support for WM6.X left and right in favor of developing for WP7 (including a few I really wish hadn't). I was also afraid that, by sticking to WM6.5, I was going to get left behind with an abandoned OS, so I came to a conclusion: If I had to switch to an entirely new OS (which was what I considered WP7), then I might as well switch to an already established one.
A lot of choices (WebOS, Maemo, Android, and, of course, iPhone) popped into my head, but what ultimately made me head to the iPhone was my absolutely certainty in one thing: That without apps, even the most powerful and beautiful smartphone would be useless. Alternatively, with apps, even a poor smartphone becomes great. The second part of this belief is the reason why I had used Windows Mobile for so long and it is also a principle I apply greatly to the iPhone.
By coincidence, about the time I came to a decision, my contract was up, and I was allowed to upgrade. I chose the iPhone 3GS. Now, about a little over one month after I purchased it, I am glad to say that my 'absolute certainty' turned out to be proven correct (at least to me). The iPhone, in time and with the right apps, has now become far more important to me than my Windows Mobile phone has ever been.
Admittedly, at first, I was nervous that I made an error. The first two weeks after owning an iPhone was a terror; everything was so damn restrictive. The simplest things that WinMo would let me do easily (such as renaming my files) was forbidden on the iPhone; to do anything like it, I had to use iTunes (which I hated), and even that came with restrictions. However, over time and with the help of the massive iPhone app store, I began to overcome each problem. Even better, each solution the iPhone presented ended up being far, far superior to what I used on WinMo.
I liked using Twitter on WinMo? Twitterrific is not only faster than any Twitter app I've ever used on WinMo, but it comes with more features and has much better usability. I liked using Tomtom on WinMo? MapQuest/CoPilot Live offered free voice navigation (they are the *only* free navigation software I have ever accepted as reasonable substitutes for the paid GPS solutions) and, of course, Tomtom plus numerous others are also available any time I want them. I liked reading using Adobe Reader LE on WinMo? 'Stanza' on the iPhone has so many more features with such a better interface that it's almost difficult to put into words.
And things continued in such a manner. As I had thought prior to buying it, the iPhone was able to replace every app I ever used on Windows Mobile with an equal or superior version. To make things all the better, the iPhone is just a crazy amount faster than any other smartphone I've ever used before.
Enough of the compliments, though. Truthfully, there is still a few things that my Fuze could do that my iPhone can't. Some examples? Well, my Fuze can get a pretty decent alarm clock app. Additionally, it can also tether pretty well. Unfortunately (for my Fuze, that is), the former issue will be gone upon iPhone OS 4's release, and the latter will no longer be an issue once I jailbreak my iPhone. If nothing else, if there is any issue that I can claim about the iPhone that is simply not possible to get around, it is the dependence upon iTunes.
In a way, I feel almost foolish. I had spent a good amount of time despising the iPhone because it lacked the hardware features that so many other Android/WinMo/Symbian smartphones seem to be get. While a WinMo phone was announced with a massive, WVGA screen with a 5MP camera; an iPhone was announced with the ability to copy and paste. Meh, I guess I can be happy that I'm wrong.
To get to the point and summarized my entire argument: the iPhone comes with a lot of restrictions compared to what I'm normally used to with Windows Mobile, but it more than made up for it with it's amazing app selection, the incredible speed of its OS, and it's admittedly elegant (I somehow hate this word with Apple products) design.
I had kept my Fuze as a backup in case things did not work out, but now, I find it unimaginable for me to go back to what I used before.

Glad you like your iphone.

The Game.
You all lost it.
Because i associate the iphone with the game.

XxsydenxX said:
The Game.
You all lost it.
Because i associate the iphone with the game.
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I lost the game

jagger2k said:
Glad you like your iphone.
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Thank you!
XxsydenxX said:
The Game.
You all lost it.
Because i associate the iphone with the game.
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Well, if losing makes me this happy, I hope I lose 'The Game' more often.

as long as you are happy
and the phone does what you want and needs, thats all that counts

I guess most are glad you like it. There should be no hate, everything has it's use.
I personaly had to work with an Iphone recently(well I had to help some overextended users), some of them had WinMo phones before. And I still found alot of good stuff from WinMo missing. Some features I never tought could miss on a recent phone...
Well for me the IPhone feels like a toy, my Touch Pro2 feels like a Phone/PDA. There's nothing wrong with toys, just another user group.

I lost the game but had to find it again with a hero when the slippery bugger flew out my top pocket on to the kitchen floor.
iPhone functionality just gets better and better over time shame battery life doesnt..

I can understand the freshness iPhone brings about to its new users, as I experienced using the phone for more than half of a year. For the first few months it felt really great, everything was just more than perfect, and I did not even think about using any phone other than iPhone.
But after six months, I changed my mind. My iPhone 3G was so boring, there is nothing left of the phone that could hold me back. And I decided to get a new HD2. Only after that, I asked myself a question "Why was I stuck with the boring iPhone for that long?"
Anyways, your needs and demand will decide which phone is the best for you.

Congrats
Congratulations
Not buying an Iphone is the best thing I ever did, and whats more I shall continue to not do it.
Oh and stay away from the ibeer, I hear those ihangovers are killers.
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hungry81

If only the iphone came w/ a sliding KeyBoard!!!!

Thats what I thought when I bot the iphone 2G a few years back, I actually used it for close to a year before getting the HTC Tough Diamond. It was ok for 3 months before I got the SE Xperia X1. That was ok too until it broke down on me. After that I tried the Nokia E71 (which I tot was a brilliant phone btw). Used that for another 6 months before I got the iphone 3GS. But surprisingly the 3GS did nothing for me. I tot it was kinda boring as I did not see that much difference with the 2G (in terms of UI).
Now, I have an Android Supercharged Nexus one. And in all honesty, this is the best phone I have ever owned. The Brilliant UI, the Speed of this phone, the screen, the openess of the OS is really revolutionary if you ask me. I can safely say that I will be an android OS user for years to come.

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I personaly had to work with an Iphone recently(well I had to help some overextended users), some of them had WinMo phones before. And I still found alot of good stuff from WinMo missing. Some features I never tought could miss on a recent phone...
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Well, I did mention this in my post. Missing basic features is something that has been an issue with the iPhone since the 2G. I mean, even as I use my 3GS, I still wish it had the basic feature of being able to save .GIF images.
It is frustrating sometimes, but most issues aren't that overwhelming and I wasn't too disappointed because I knew coming into the iPhone that there would be issues such as this.
anarchyuk said:
iPhone functionality just gets better and better over time shame battery life doesnt..
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In all fairness, the iPhone's battery life seems comparable to every other smartphone I've used. In fact, it actually seems a bit better in comparison to my Fuze, which is amazing when you take into consideration some of the factors, such as the larger screen, faster processor, and, most noticeably, the fact that it only has a 1219mAh battery vs the Fuze's 1340mAh.
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Thats what I thought when I bot the iphone 2G a few years back, I actually used it for close to a year before getting the HTC Tough Diamond. It was ok for 3 months before I got the SE Xperia X1. That was ok too until it broke down on me. After that I tried the Nokia E71 (which I tot was a brilliant phone btw). Used that for another 6 months before I got the iphone 3GS. But surprisingly the 3GS did nothing for me. I tot it was kinda boring as I did not see that much difference with the 2G (in terms of UI).
Now, I have an Android Supercharged Nexus one. And in all honesty, this is the best phone I have ever owned. The Brilliant UI, the Speed of this phone, the screen, the openess of the OS is really revolutionary if you ask me. I can safely say that I will be an android OS user for years to come.
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Well, yes, the 3GS' UI is the same as the 2G's. All the iPhones uses the same OS, after all. UI changes tend to come with OS updates (regardless of which iPhone model you own) and, even then, changes are limited as, of course, Apple likes to keep their interface simple and familiar. The upcoming iPhone OS 4 is probably the biggest change in a while and even UI changes in that is limited.
Unfortunately, while I've used Android, my knowledge of that and the Nexus One is still limited. Nonetheless, I have read reviews and watched 'benchmarks' of the N1, and I still prefer the 3GS, but that is really just my preference. The N1 is a great phone, though.
P.S. I agree with you regarding the E71. It is a brilliant phone.

Im still using my 3GS btw and I use it for music, movies and games....for everything else I use my Nexus

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Im still using my 3GS btw and I use it for music, movies and games....for everything else I use my Nexus
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So.... you use your Nexus as a phone and the iPhone as an iPod Touch?

JAguirre1231 said:
So.... you use your Nexus as a phone and the iPhone as an iPod Touch?
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Hahah yeah..kinda...im also using my 3GS for my wifi tethering purposes as Ive got my unlimited data plan on that... so win-win I guess..

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Hahah yeah..kinda...im also using my 3GS for my wifi tethering purposes as Ive got my unlimited data plan on that... so win-win I guess..
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u know u can change the sim card , rite ?

souljaboy said:
u know u can change the sim card , rite ?
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LOL of cos buddy...but I actually have 2 different sims (1 for my phone usage and another for an unlimited plan). So, I just use my 3GS as my router at home for my internet purposes hehehe.
I take my Nexus every where I go...I think overall the Nexus wins as its a more capable device compared to my iphone 3GS.
Naz

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Now, I have an Android Supercharged Nexus one. And in all honesty, this is the best phone I have ever owned. The Brilliant UI, the Speed of this phone, the screen, the openess of the OS is really revolutionary if you ask me. I can safely say that I will be an android OS user for years to come.
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Yes! You are very "open" in your java sandbox! But despite the missing kernel access in a way I agree. You can probably still customize enough for the "usual" needs, and so after the decline of Windows Mobile 6.x you might consider Android the last "geek friendly" OS....

Hi 8525Smart,
While I can agree that moving from winmo to iPhone is a good decision, have you stopped and think if your decision is still the best in light of the rich array of Android phones (such as the HTC Supersonic) available these days? The large size screen, a UI that is way better than winmo's and quite close to iPhone's, better notification system, attractive widgets, dual flash, nice camera, fast processor, ... Or are you just so happy with iPhone that you're not thinking of potentially even better phones? I'm not saying that Android is better as I don't know the answer yet myself. I'm just wondering if you have seriously given Android a chance and to find out as much as you can about it?

Android or iOS? Which do you prefer?

Im just curious how many of you out there would recommend an iPhone over an Android phone or an Android over an iPhone. After being an iOS user since 09 and recently switching to Android, I would actually say that Android is my favorite. Just because of all the customization options I have and all the things I can do that I could of never done with an iPhone (even when jailbroken). Now I'd like to hear your opinion.

android all the way

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android all the way
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agreed with android ftw..
i do enjoy reponsiveness of ios and polished look. it just looks "nice"
but android ftmfw..
my friend had an iphone 4 and we jailbroke it and he was showing all the cool things you can do with jailbroken phones..
i was like wait.... what? my phone could do this before it was even rooted.
makes me sad that ios has sooo many features just "missing" that phones should have. or be able to do. i guess thats why its not open sources... =\

Actually I like iOS 'cause it's so stable and really really easy , thus leaving it for all ages to use. But it's really limited and therefore you jailbreak.
Android on the other hand is a very good OS too! It's very very versatile and you can custom it like you want. The only thing with Android is that it's kind of messy.
So to conclude iOS is an OS that you'll find attractive in first look and some months to come. Android is an OS that grows on you and you'll love it in the long-run.

Has anyone seen iOS5? Apple obviously stole almost every new feature from the jailbreak community then they stole notifications from Android. They need to come up with their own ideas.

GagesiPad said:
Has anyone seen iOS5? Apple obviously stole almost every new feature from the jailbreak community then they stole notifications from Android. They need to come up with their own ideas.
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They do that quite often! Same happend with iOS 4 with the wallpaper and multi tasking

I suspect you're going to get android as the majority answer here.
I'm over the ios>android or android> ios. They're different beasts with great qualities all around. I think ios is a simpler os in that really anyone can use it. At the same time, android's strength comes in its flexibility and customization. This doesn't suite everyone because really the majority of people just want an easy button. They can find that in android, they just don't have the patience to look.

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They do that quite often! Same happend with iOS 4 with the wallpaper and multi tasking
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I wouldn't neccesarily say that Apple stole multitasking from another OS/Device because its different. I mean, come on, its fake. I wouldn't say Apple stole the homescreen wallpapers either. Its an image that doesn't move and it isn't live. Basically, it makes it look a little better. No biggy.

pandamaja said:
I suspect you're going to get android as the majority answer here.
I'm over the ios>android or android> ios. They're different beasts with great qualities all around. I think ios is a simpler os in that really anyone can use it. At the same time, android's strength comes in its flexibility and customization. This doesn't suite everyone because really the majority of people just want an easy button. They can find that in android, they just don't have the patience to look.
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If you want to use your phone as a phone with a little web browsing and a little Angry Birds playin', get iOS because its simple. If you want to make your phone the way you want it and you like customization, freedom, and the ability to to almost anything with your phone, get Android. =)

This might ne 101st thread of iphone vs android topic and this thread will just encourage flamers.
And on side note.. U like android over ios... Cool.. There are millions who do for the same reason as you do. Nothing special.
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Im just curious how many of you out there would recommend an iPhone over an Android phone or an Android over an iPhone. After being an iOS user since 09 and recently switching to Android, I would actually say that Android is my favorite. Just because of all the customization options I have and all the things I can do that I could of never done with an iPhone (even when jailbroken). Now I'd like to hear your opinion.
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jags_the1 said:
This might ne 101st thread of iphone vs android topic and this thread will just encourage flamers.
And on side note.. U like android over ios... Cool.. There are millions who do for the same reason as you do. Nothing special.
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I would really like Ios, it's not a bad OS. Multitask, runs pretty decent, huge app store, but there are a couple reasons why I'm not on ios.
Flash, I use flash on my phone all the time. Keeps me entertained.
Screen size, 3.5" is too small for me.
Carrier, I'm on Sprint dammit.

GagesiPad said:
Im just curious how many of you out there would recommend an iPhone over an Android phone or an Android over an iPhone. After being an iOS user since 09 and recently switching to Android, I would actually say that Android is my favorite. Just because of all the customization options I have and all the things I can do that I could of never done with an iPhone (even when jailbroken). Now I'd like to hear your opinion.
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I use an iPhone for the reliability of it. And because currently it's the only phone I have with FFC. I also use an Android phone because of the enjoyment of it and apps. I feel my Inspire is smoother and nicer than my iPhone, but not as reliable. The screen isn't nearly as good as the iPhone 4's, either.
I also use a WP7 device and feel WP7 will overtake bother other formats eventually. It's that good.
But right now I don't leave the house without my iPhone. I feel secure in the knowledge I can get ahold of someone shuld the need arise. My Inspire almost got my family and I lost once due to a malfunctioning compass and non-functioning nav.

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I use an iPhone for the reliability of it. And because currently it's the only phone I have with FFC. I also use an Android phone because of the enjoyment of it and apps. I feel my Inspire is smoother and nicer than my iPhone, but not as reliable. The screen isn't nearly as good as the iPhone 4's, either.
I also use a WP7 device and feel WP7 will overtake bother other formats eventually. It's that good.
But right now I don't leave the house without my iPhone. I feel secure in the knowledge I can get ahold of someone shuld the need arise. My Inspire almost got my family and I lost once due to a malfunctioning compass and non-functioning nav.
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Almost exact sentiment, except in reverse. My trusty Eris does all my heavy lifting for work-related tasks while my iPhone is my gps/playtoy. Haven't gotten my hands on a windows phone yet but they certainly are sounding more and more attractive these days!

iOS is too newbie friendly for me, no offence to the people on here btw, you guys are awesome
I went Android because I don't follow Iphone/Blackberry trends and I love it now

The best out of all of them....WIndows Phone 7

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The best out of all of them....WIndows Phone 7
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Thats a nice OS but a WP7 phone at work somehow got a virus and it wouldbt let the phone do anything and all it did when you turned it in was show a big smiley face with the bird finger. XD

So yeah unlike allot here i won't go FU on iOS.
Here is my subjective list of pro & contra for both systems.
Mind you i have used both.
iOS​PLUS:
Stable
For it's money a well running piece of software built on that specific hardware
Fast
Simple to use
Design = top notch
Good service and reliable
Contra:
Hard to modify the feel of the OS
Forced to stay with all apple software (unless jailbroken) to downlaod upload music,etc..
Easy to jailbrake but still a challenge
Android​PLUS:
Easy to use
Smooth and stable
Easy to modify and root
Customizable to a great extend
Perfectly combined with all Google products
Good service and help from google with personal calls explaining things
Contra:
Default FM can hang once in a while
Without root no way to do much or change much
Easier battery drain (personal opinion)
No updates for all the phone due to builds and limitations ( this is because there are so many companies producing Androids but all with different specs)
WP7​Well really don't have much usage experience i did boot the emulator to check it out. Can't say it's ugly but doesn't look appealing either.
I believe that the OS probably is decent but it doesn't beg me to try it out
I think the WP7 is a good phone matching all other MS products. Like Xbox to phone connections and with Win8 it will be easy to look things up on your PC and share it with your phone if you godda go real quick. Win8 get's the same WP7 overlay.
All in all no real user experience so won't brake it down.
I believe it's a small correct list.
I can't say i hate either one of them but currently running android. Feels a Little slower then iOS but my biggest plus is all my Google Docs,Searches,G+,Mail,Pic are easy to acces with simple clicks from your phone.
Who the best is?
Think both are worth as much but if you like to mess around with your phone i would advise the android OS. Also you are more free to choose a phone to your liking then being forced a same look like the guy next to you in the train has.

I'm thinking of going to the dark side...(Android/Apple confliction)

I love Android. I've been using it for two years now on five different devices and I've been able to watch it grow out of the awkward Gingerbread "teenager" stage into an amazing OS in ICS/Jelly Bean.
But, recently, I bought an iPad. It wasn't my first choice. I actually bought a Nexus 10 first but due to horrible backlight bleed issues and general boredom in the OS (I found Android to be much more uninteresting on the 10 than on my Nexus 4 and 7 for some reason) I returned it and eventually settled upon the iPad. And I'm not going to lie...I absolutely love it. It's ridiculously fast, fluid, sexy, and the screen is calibrated better than that of the Nexus 10. Sure, the homescreen is boring, but I've found I spend little to no time on the homescreen whereas I do much more on my Nexus 4 and 7.
Then my mom bought an iPhone 5. And so the story progresses. I've been playing with it a lot recently. The screen is pretty good, it's as fast as my iPad, the external speakers are perfection, and the general feel of the device is premium. At first I was bothered with the screen size (I still find it awkward in landscape), but I've grown used to it and actually found myself sort of liking the smallness of it (which is something I've always hated in iPhones). After all, I have my iPad for a larger screen.
And now, lastly, I'm getting a Mac pretty soon. I've always loved OS X. That really isn't anything new, to be honest. I'm not a huge fan of Windows and find it to be clunky and bloated after a few months of usage (after a year, none of my Windows computers have been as functional as they were when I first purchased them). So I'm selling my Windows laptop and buying a Mac Mini, something I'm really excited about. And the idea of pure integration between my computer, tablet, and phone sounds...well...mesmerizing. Fascinating. All of those types of adjectives.
So here I am on XDA, hounding around the Galaxy S4 forums, thinking "Well, this phone looks great, but what if I bought an iPhone?" And the fact that I'm thinking that terrifies the geek in me. For the last two years you would be hard pressed to find a bigger Android fanboy than myself. And now I'm considering having all Apple devices (except for the iPad Mini; clearly the Nexus 7 is superior to that overpriced and under-speced junk). Is there anyone here who can persuade me to stick around with Android? Maybe buy a Galaxy device (I have found AOSP to be pretty boring, lately)? I honestly don't really know. But I have an upgrade, and the last thing I want to do is waste it. I'm not a huge fan of shelling out $600 every time I want a new phone and can't upgrade. Anyway, if anyone can help me with this decision, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.

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My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.
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I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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It's your life and your money - wear only Ed Hardy and drink only TAB, anyone who really cares doesn't have much of their own to care about.
I had a Macbook for a few years and I didn't die.
I've been really unimpressed with Apple's products lately. iOS just feels horribly dated to me and the synching wasn't that amazing from what I experienced - I can do better on Android these days though I bet Apple has caught up.
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jtc276 said:
I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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I can tell you this. I have an iPhone5 that was provided to me by my work. It was great at first. I went from from an Iphone 3g to Android and thought I would never turn back. After my Evo 3d I've grown to loath my Evo3d and couldn't wait for the S4.
With this said after about two weeks of using the iPhone I have grown bored and annoyed with the device. Since it is a work phone I am not allowed to jailbreak or do anything "illegal" with it. I prefer to have a nice clean desktop and quick launches that I have grown use to on my EVO3d. With that said after the beauty of the iPhone 5 (and I'm not taking anything away from it), I have come running back with a new appreciation for the Android device. I still hate my Evo3d, but I don't take it for granted for what I can do on the device. Even if I were to jailbreak the iPhone5, the one thing that wouldn't change is that I would still be limited to the same OS with its basic limitations. Even with Winterboard the device wouldn't be able to do 50% of what my outdated Evo can do.
This is just my opinion and feelings but as a daily use I would hate it. Since I only need to check emails and use it for a few work items I can deal with the iPhone.

U ll be bored from ios in 2 months...haha u can't customize it like android...ios doesnt has freedom like android...it looks faster than android because of real time priority...and android has normal priority...nothing else
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Owned the 1st iPhone and a 3GS. Both unlocked and JB'ed. Then made the jump and moved to a Galaxy S2.
I couldn't go back. There are just too many limitations and restrictions. Some of the most simple processes on android are a task on the iPhone.
Everything requires hoops and leaps compared to Android, unless you don't mind doing it Apples way. I HATED itunes. Simply throwing some mp3's on an sd card and putting it in my android phone was pathetically liberating after years with an iPhone.
If you just want to use twitter, facebook, send emails, and download some games, then you'll be fine.
But everything is proprietary and what you see is what you get.
IOS looks great and the build quality on the 5 is fantastic, but, that will get overshadowed in time imo. I strongly believe cosmetics are half the reason people own the iPhone. It screams quality, but personally, the limited and restricted functionality sticks out to me much more.
That's my .02.

Yeah I agree with u 100%
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I don't think I could do a Macbook again because I'd need to dual-boot Windows to get half the things I want to work. At least Linux has a strong community that's invested in creative solutions (don't have native Netflix ? That's okay, we found a way!) and it can be taken as an environment that forces you to learn - I did not get that spirit from Mac, it was much like Windows but with more limited software and a different GUI.
I do harbour a special hate for the Mac GUI. It just looks so "1980s" to me, it looks like what I'd expect from a new and still developing technology - which made it awesome back when it first came out but it needs to move on.
I built my own Windows computer for $500 and am very pleased that it can play the video games I want very well - and if anything breaks I can repair it myself and I can upgrade components as I choose - it will grow with me for years. No, I wasn't thrilled about Windows but I've had this thing for almost a year it's doing fine.
I don't hate Mac, I really don't - if they start thinking differently I'd consider them again.

If you want to carry something and relax go to apple... But for me I like missing up and with andriod you are always able to discover something new.. Its more exiting
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No Iphone threads please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883519
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