Let me preface my argument with an introduction: Why did I buy an iPhone to begin with? Short answer: It was a reaction to Windows Phone 7.
Long answer: As a big fan of Windows Mobile, I was pretty much devastated to hear all the news about WP7 a while back, in particular the fact that it has no backwards compatibility. Much of XDA didn't seem to share my pessimism, but me? I was extremely upset. At the time, I had wanted to purchase an HD2 after using the Fuze for so long, but I did not want to upgrade to WP7. That would have been fine, but then many companies began to drop support for WM6.X left and right in favor of developing for WP7 (including a few I really wish hadn't). I was also afraid that, by sticking to WM6.5, I was going to get left behind with an abandoned OS, so I came to a conclusion: If I had to switch to an entirely new OS (which was what I considered WP7), then I might as well switch to an already established one.
A lot of choices (WebOS, Maemo, Android, and, of course, iPhone) popped into my head, but what ultimately made me head to the iPhone was my absolutely certainty in one thing: That without apps, even the most powerful and beautiful smartphone would be useless. Alternatively, with apps, even a poor smartphone becomes great. The second part of this belief is the reason why I had used Windows Mobile for so long and it is also a principle I apply greatly to the iPhone.
By coincidence, about the time I came to a decision, my contract was up, and I was allowed to upgrade. I chose the iPhone 3GS. Now, about a little over one month after I purchased it, I am glad to say that my 'absolute certainty' turned out to be proven correct (at least to me). The iPhone, in time and with the right apps, has now become far more important to me than my Windows Mobile phone has ever been.
Admittedly, at first, I was nervous that I made an error. The first two weeks after owning an iPhone was a terror; everything was so damn restrictive. The simplest things that WinMo would let me do easily (such as renaming my files) was forbidden on the iPhone; to do anything like it, I had to use iTunes (which I hated), and even that came with restrictions. However, over time and with the help of the massive iPhone app store, I began to overcome each problem. Even better, each solution the iPhone presented ended up being far, far superior to what I used on WinMo.
I liked using Twitter on WinMo? Twitterrific is not only faster than any Twitter app I've ever used on WinMo, but it comes with more features and has much better usability. I liked using Tomtom on WinMo? MapQuest/CoPilot Live offered free voice navigation (they are the *only* free navigation software I have ever accepted as reasonable substitutes for the paid GPS solutions) and, of course, Tomtom plus numerous others are also available any time I want them. I liked reading using Adobe Reader LE on WinMo? 'Stanza' on the iPhone has so many more features with such a better interface that it's almost difficult to put into words.
And things continued in such a manner. As I had thought prior to buying it, the iPhone was able to replace every app I ever used on Windows Mobile with an equal or superior version. To make things all the better, the iPhone is just a crazy amount faster than any other smartphone I've ever used before.
Enough of the compliments, though. Truthfully, there is still a few things that my Fuze could do that my iPhone can't. Some examples? Well, my Fuze can get a pretty decent alarm clock app. Additionally, it can also tether pretty well. Unfortunately (for my Fuze, that is), the former issue will be gone upon iPhone OS 4's release, and the latter will no longer be an issue once I jailbreak my iPhone. If nothing else, if there is any issue that I can claim about the iPhone that is simply not possible to get around, it is the dependence upon iTunes.
In a way, I feel almost foolish. I had spent a good amount of time despising the iPhone because it lacked the hardware features that so many other Android/WinMo/Symbian smartphones seem to be get. While a WinMo phone was announced with a massive, WVGA screen with a 5MP camera; an iPhone was announced with the ability to copy and paste. Meh, I guess I can be happy that I'm wrong.
To get to the point and summarized my entire argument: the iPhone comes with a lot of restrictions compared to what I'm normally used to with Windows Mobile, but it more than made up for it with it's amazing app selection, the incredible speed of its OS, and it's admittedly elegant (I somehow hate this word with Apple products) design.
I had kept my Fuze as a backup in case things did not work out, but now, I find it unimaginable for me to go back to what I used before.
Glad you like your iphone.
The Game.
You all lost it.
Because i associate the iphone with the game.
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The Game.
You all lost it.
Because i associate the iphone with the game.
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I lost the game
jagger2k said:
Glad you like your iphone.
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The Game.
You all lost it.
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Well, if losing makes me this happy, I hope I lose 'The Game' more often.
as long as you are happy
and the phone does what you want and needs, thats all that counts
I guess most are glad you like it. There should be no hate, everything has it's use.
I personaly had to work with an Iphone recently(well I had to help some overextended users), some of them had WinMo phones before. And I still found alot of good stuff from WinMo missing. Some features I never tought could miss on a recent phone...
Well for me the IPhone feels like a toy, my Touch Pro2 feels like a Phone/PDA. There's nothing wrong with toys, just another user group.
I lost the game but had to find it again with a hero when the slippery bugger flew out my top pocket on to the kitchen floor.
iPhone functionality just gets better and better over time shame battery life doesnt..
I can understand the freshness iPhone brings about to its new users, as I experienced using the phone for more than half of a year. For the first few months it felt really great, everything was just more than perfect, and I did not even think about using any phone other than iPhone.
But after six months, I changed my mind. My iPhone 3G was so boring, there is nothing left of the phone that could hold me back. And I decided to get a new HD2. Only after that, I asked myself a question "Why was I stuck with the boring iPhone for that long?"
Anyways, your needs and demand will decide which phone is the best for you.
Congrats
Congratulations
Not buying an Iphone is the best thing I ever did, and whats more I shall continue to not do it.
Oh and stay away from the ibeer, I hear those ihangovers are killers.
<giggles> <3
hungry81
If only the iphone came w/ a sliding KeyBoard!!!!
Thats what I thought when I bot the iphone 2G a few years back, I actually used it for close to a year before getting the HTC Tough Diamond. It was ok for 3 months before I got the SE Xperia X1. That was ok too until it broke down on me. After that I tried the Nokia E71 (which I tot was a brilliant phone btw). Used that for another 6 months before I got the iphone 3GS. But surprisingly the 3GS did nothing for me. I tot it was kinda boring as I did not see that much difference with the 2G (in terms of UI).
Now, I have an Android Supercharged Nexus one. And in all honesty, this is the best phone I have ever owned. The Brilliant UI, the Speed of this phone, the screen, the openess of the OS is really revolutionary if you ask me. I can safely say that I will be an android OS user for years to come.
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I personaly had to work with an Iphone recently(well I had to help some overextended users), some of them had WinMo phones before. And I still found alot of good stuff from WinMo missing. Some features I never tought could miss on a recent phone...
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Well, I did mention this in my post. Missing basic features is something that has been an issue with the iPhone since the 2G. I mean, even as I use my 3GS, I still wish it had the basic feature of being able to save .GIF images.
It is frustrating sometimes, but most issues aren't that overwhelming and I wasn't too disappointed because I knew coming into the iPhone that there would be issues such as this.
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iPhone functionality just gets better and better over time shame battery life doesnt..
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In all fairness, the iPhone's battery life seems comparable to every other smartphone I've used. In fact, it actually seems a bit better in comparison to my Fuze, which is amazing when you take into consideration some of the factors, such as the larger screen, faster processor, and, most noticeably, the fact that it only has a 1219mAh battery vs the Fuze's 1340mAh.
nazrin313 said:
Thats what I thought when I bot the iphone 2G a few years back, I actually used it for close to a year before getting the HTC Tough Diamond. It was ok for 3 months before I got the SE Xperia X1. That was ok too until it broke down on me. After that I tried the Nokia E71 (which I tot was a brilliant phone btw). Used that for another 6 months before I got the iphone 3GS. But surprisingly the 3GS did nothing for me. I tot it was kinda boring as I did not see that much difference with the 2G (in terms of UI).
Now, I have an Android Supercharged Nexus one. And in all honesty, this is the best phone I have ever owned. The Brilliant UI, the Speed of this phone, the screen, the openess of the OS is really revolutionary if you ask me. I can safely say that I will be an android OS user for years to come.
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Well, yes, the 3GS' UI is the same as the 2G's. All the iPhones uses the same OS, after all. UI changes tend to come with OS updates (regardless of which iPhone model you own) and, even then, changes are limited as, of course, Apple likes to keep their interface simple and familiar. The upcoming iPhone OS 4 is probably the biggest change in a while and even UI changes in that is limited.
Unfortunately, while I've used Android, my knowledge of that and the Nexus One is still limited. Nonetheless, I have read reviews and watched 'benchmarks' of the N1, and I still prefer the 3GS, but that is really just my preference. The N1 is a great phone, though.
P.S. I agree with you regarding the E71. It is a brilliant phone.
Im still using my 3GS btw and I use it for music, movies and games....for everything else I use my Nexus
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Im still using my 3GS btw and I use it for music, movies and games....for everything else I use my Nexus
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So.... you use your Nexus as a phone and the iPhone as an iPod Touch?
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So.... you use your Nexus as a phone and the iPhone as an iPod Touch?
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Hahah yeah..kinda...im also using my 3GS for my wifi tethering purposes as Ive got my unlimited data plan on that... so win-win I guess..
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Hahah yeah..kinda...im also using my 3GS for my wifi tethering purposes as Ive got my unlimited data plan on that... so win-win I guess..
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u know u can change the sim card , rite ?
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u know u can change the sim card , rite ?
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LOL of cos buddy...but I actually have 2 different sims (1 for my phone usage and another for an unlimited plan). So, I just use my 3GS as my router at home for my internet purposes hehehe.
I take my Nexus every where I go...I think overall the Nexus wins as its a more capable device compared to my iphone 3GS.
Naz
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Now, I have an Android Supercharged Nexus one. And in all honesty, this is the best phone I have ever owned. The Brilliant UI, the Speed of this phone, the screen, the openess of the OS is really revolutionary if you ask me. I can safely say that I will be an android OS user for years to come.
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Yes! You are very "open" in your java sandbox! But despite the missing kernel access in a way I agree. You can probably still customize enough for the "usual" needs, and so after the decline of Windows Mobile 6.x you might consider Android the last "geek friendly" OS....
Hi 8525Smart,
While I can agree that moving from winmo to iPhone is a good decision, have you stopped and think if your decision is still the best in light of the rich array of Android phones (such as the HTC Supersonic) available these days? The large size screen, a UI that is way better than winmo's and quite close to iPhone's, better notification system, attractive widgets, dual flash, nice camera, fast processor, ... Or are you just so happy with iPhone that you're not thinking of potentially even better phones? I'm not saying that Android is better as I don't know the answer yet myself. I'm just wondering if you have seriously given Android a chance and to find out as much as you can about it?
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I hate it but every company makes apps for the iphone. Windows mobile always left in the cold when it comes to new applications. Random companies make apps for the iphone. The Weather Channel, CNBC, eBay, NBA, MLB, ESPN, Showtime plus thousands of other companies choose to make apps for the iphone only. I hate it but when my contract runs out i might swich to the iphone. Anyone feeling this way?
No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.
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No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.
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Mmm, gotta disagree with you on that. Are you speaking from experience? Do you own an iPhone? I agree with the OP, I've been frustrated by the useful apps that have come out for the iPhone while WM has been all but forgotten.
android?
You could switch to a nice android device. I really like my g1 quite a bit. The app store doesn't have the volume of apps that the iphone one does, but if you factor out all the sound boards and fart machines, there isn't a huge difference.
Also, android is a platform, not a single device. I'm betting long term, you will see android win market share. It wouldn't be the first time that apple lost out with a closed, proprietary system. They did the same thing when competeing with IBM and Microsoft, and lost out there too.
I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.
edit nevermind
Android is gaining a number of apps in the Android Market. Some of the apps mentioned by the OP are now available on Android and more a coming online all the time.
i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.
good for you...
Gotta say, there's still a place in my heart for WinMo, and I'm really looking forward to WM7, hoping not to be disappointed. But once you jailbreak an iPhone, it's superior in basically every way. I'm sick to death of Job's draconian resistance to JB, but fortunately the community has some geniuses who can tell him where he needs to go stick his head.
Valkryomnia may hate it, but that's only because he clearly doesn't have a jailbroken iPhone, because all the things he's talking about are laughably false except for the non-removable battery and memory. However, those aren't big deals for me because at this point the choice is 32GB of non-removable memory on iPhone vs 16GB of removable on WM. Not a hard choice for me. And as for the battery, I probably will get a new phone by the time it dies anyway, so... meh.
It's funny, but at this point the thing I miss most about WM is having to fiddle around with it to get it to work. With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can), but because it really just works. And giving up the fun of fiddling with it is a small price to pay for also giving up the frustration of the constant crashes, memory problems, incompatibilities, abandoned software that has promise but never gets finished, flashing, reflashing, and flashing, flashing, flashing constantly, etc. It's just a world of difference.
I jumped from the n-gage into the WM world and its disappointing at best in the games deppartment.
Emus and ports are good, but the iphone games are looking better each day.
Plus, 3 years ago when the iphone came out, M$ made a lot of promisses that WM could be as good as and i havent seen any yet.
I still remenber a youtube video showing the (soon to come out) Windows Vista gadgets running on the WM... where are they?
I love WM and sometimes i miss a FUN Application and Games that iPhone have but at all i can say that the iPhone is made for the Kids for peoples betwen 14 and 18 years Because the WM is more for Bussines Peoples etc.
So our HTC Phones are more Stylish for Example i use Blackstone.. we can`t even compare iPhone Vs Blackstone.
So if someday HTC start to support the device better and make new apps often some for bussines some just for fun... you know what will heppand.
I only don`t know one thing.
If i was a owner of HTC and i want to Grown Alot alot more... the 1st thing that i will do is More Support with ROM`s with Apps i can tell you with sure that if WM have the same FUN apps like iPhone and even better NO ONE WILL BUY an iPhone!!!
And i wonder why HTC don`t kick this iPhones from the Market they can do it very easy.
Even that we dont have alot WM apps made by HTC or other i still prefer to have a stylish bussines device that have many futures and potential in the future
So if you are under 18 then just buy iPhone )))
mkerr said:
i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.
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I agree with that!
I've been a windows mobile user for a couple of years and while I love tweaking everything and writing apps in c#, I'm quickly growing tired of it falling so far behind the iphone and android. 6.5 is really just a new start menu and lock screen with WM2003 underneath. Back when I had a tytn I loved flashing new roms, but recently I've lot interest in it, especially when the benefits aren't really that great in terms of features.
My contract is up in January and at the moment I'm leaning towards an iphone. I like the look of android (plus I would be able to write apps for it in java), but it doesn't feel that complete to me.
My main uses for a phone are:
Web browsing - nothing beats the iphone here. Opera is nice but its painfully slow. Opera mini is also very good but the rendering doesn't look that nice.
Facebook - the iphone app is by far the best, and the windows mobile one is a joke.
Twitter - there are decent clients for all 3
Email (not push) - Pocket outlook isn't finger friendly, so its iphone or android here, but I haven't seen the android email client that much.
Writing apps - I'm happy to write java or C#, and hate objective C
Random apps - The iphone is a clear winner here
Golf scorecards with GPS - I wrote one for windows mobile, but nothing I can write could compare to apps like airvue for the iphone
Satnav - I love igo, so windows mobile wins here
Music - Once more, the iphone blows everything else away (S2P is nice, but still laggy on my diamond).
I think that if the HD2 was android then it would be a serious contender, but unless anything amazing comes out within the next 3 months I'll be jumping ship to the iphone (and probably jailbreaking it straight away).
Going back a year, I was one of the 'iphone haters', and I still hate the mac fanboy mentality of apple is best whilst blocking out all forms of logic and reason. Now I just want something which does everything I need easily and quickly.
18 months ago, if I knew I'd be thinking like this, I probably would've punched myself in the face.
same here.. i owned a o2 mini for years now using elf but when my contract finish.. hmmm 75% chance i will get iphone - hopefully by then it will have removable storage and radio..
1 i like from iphone is speed - and almost (never?) crash..
I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.
I do love the HTC design and style, but why is it always bad on hardware?
The ram and speed upgrades are always small and the video drivers are sad at best.
Its true, the WM ppcs were made for business, and never had a real "gamer liberation"... that, for me, is the problem with them.
I wanted a cheap ppc that could be, like the magician (qtek s100/s110), way ahead of its time.
All the phones I see around me are slower than my magician from 2003.
Thats why I am starting to look at the iphone.
Yes.. befor more than a year when i was looking for a new Device just to say that here in Bulgaria we don`t have so good contracts etc so when you want a new Device you just need to Buy it by yourself Cash.
So from the time i start to use Mobile Phones i always own a Nokia and i always use the latest models befor to move in WM i was on Symbian and i use the Nokia almost everyone from N series.. but befor a year i was thinking i need something new something diferent and powerfull...
and the Blakcstone just come out on the market this days and he amazed me with the Screen with thedesign and with many other things...
So the Blackstone was more expensive than the iPhone 3G here and many peoples told me better buy a HTC device this Blackstone ROCK some peoples say buy iPhone so beause everyone talk about iphone and i want something diferent that iphone because i hate when everyone use the same thing.... and the iphones become something like a madness i decide to buy my Blackstone and here cost me $900 around the iPhone 3G cost on the same time around $600 so i buy the expensive one HTC and after more than a year of use... im feeling a bit desapointed for this.
I love my Blackstone and he look cool and is a good device but i hate that i understand this later that HTC didn`t give alot support to the products they make.. so when i register here in that forum i see that many peoples Coocking ROM`s and some of the ROMs can be better than the original one..but im asking myself WHY THIS PEOPLES must to do ROMS by themselfs where is the HTC COMPANY now?
If someone say Ok we have ROMs here and etc fine but where are the FUN Enterteinment apps for our Device?
Nobody do anything for WM all USA companyes make apps for iPhone so in internet they are thousend and thousend and everyday something new.
Some peoples here try theyr best to do something but this is not enought HTC must really to think about this.. because this is a serious problem and i think in the future if they didn`t do anything to fix this problem they will lose alot costumers .....
Now i don`t like how the iPhone look... i prefer my Blackstone design i don`t like the Apple but i can`t say on the Black to say its White...really i play with some iphones and they are very FAST interface and responding to the touch and you are able to have so much FUN with that device...
Someone will say the device is made for Bussines and to calling but this is not true if i want to calling i will buy a phone for $30 without any OS and will not have delay in the ringing will not crash and etc and will be ablel to calling and etc.
Now i seriously think that soon i will be totaly pissed..from all this and will need to buy an iPhone 3G the problem is that like i say we dont have a contracts and now if i wana buy it i need to pay cash around $500 and what to do with my Blackstone? i can`t just spend money for phones like this.
Maybe i need to sell my Blackstone to take some money and to spend money buying an iPhone i hate that liek i say im not iPhone fan...but............. just HTC lose me like a costumer.
Befor a Year if someone tell me that i will buy an iPhone and will wana sell my HTC i will not believe him but this is the truth....
Not Fun Apps, Not Software not ANything they just sell you a expensive device and you can download a few ringtones from the HTC Club... THANK YOU
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With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can),
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oh really? Please explain. No you cant, that is completely false. Show me an alternate UI? So me multi tasking? Show me anything other than the possibility of changing an icon lol. The iphone is an app launcher, plain and simple. You simply cant customize it, you can just put different apps on it.
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I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.
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i agree with what you say other than "aesthetically pleasing interface as the iphone"
How is a screen full of icons aesthetically pleasing? Its arguable that it isnt even a UI Just a program launcher
hi
with ref to the camera i dont think the HTC camera is any better
my phone has a 3.2megpik and it suks
valkryomnia said:
I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.
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Hello,
I have been recently thinking about changing my HTC Touch Cruise for something newer. To my mind obviously came: HTC HD2, iPhone, Blackberry Storm2.
I know that specifications-wise, HTC wins. BUT...
I have recently experienced the new Blackberry and realized that: the operation system works much quicker and nicer than Windows which HTC uses. It also seems to have less problems -> my current HTC needs a good hard restart once a week or so, because it freezes on more demanding films or some music.
I thought that Windows has much more applications available - well, I am not so sure any more once I realized that thesaurus.com produced their dictionaries for... iPhone and Blackberry. Windows has lost its market and is not taken into account by the newest developers.
I am also wondering whether 4.3'' isn't a little bit too much -> I won't be able to put it into my pocket any longer!
What do you think? HTC seems to have created a very beautiful palmtop, full of great specifications but it has also committed one crucial mistake - it used Windows...
I would be grateful if you could share with me your opinions. Maybe my fear is unjustified and the newest HD2 works perfectly in all the aspects easily beating the competition?
I have to agree with you.
I have been a WM fan for the last 5 years or so and have become disilusioned with the OS. I too was looking for a change and had been watching the LEO. This is indeed a good hardware spec, but imho let down by WM6.5. I decided that I was after a better consumer experiance and opted for the iPhone. Everyone raves about them for a long time now so I decided (after much researching) that I would try one. I have not been let down by it yet. Mind you, I've only had it 3 weeks. I'm taking a punt that in 18 months or so, WM will have caught up or Andriod will have matured, but until then, I'll take a walk on the dark side.
So far I'm loving the fact that is just seems to work and it integrates with my car hifi perfecly. I can now play music and do hands free over Bluetooth. Under WM I could only do handsfree. Surfing the internet is now almost as easy as on my desktop. Safari browser beats anything else I've tried so far. The on screen keyboard was a worry at first, but it's easy to use, especialy in landscap (I have big thumbs). As a music player, well it beats WM any day of the week.
I know I will eventualy hit it's limitations, and when I do I'll consider jailbreaking, much like using custom ROMs from here realy. Untill then I'll keep an eye on the mobile development and look forward to seeing what happens in 18 months.
Good luck with your search, for now I have found my answer, I hope you find yours.
Mav
Personally I'd go for the HD2, as I rank spec more than software. The iPhone is a but too common and its pricing is a far too high for what you get (mins and txts etc). Blackberry has the same problem its too common, I know loads of people with Blackberrys who only use them for Facebook, but if your the kind of person who send and receieves loads of e-mails get a BB as they do it better than WinMo and iPhone.
Alex
Here we go again..........
Leo of course
Well I have been WM for several years and thought I would give the iPhone a trial. A BIG MISTAKE. Its dredful and im getting a HD2 next week.
I thought i'd add my comments to this, i've been predominantly symbian s60 / win mob for years now due to the fact that they "do" everything. But i think its fair to say that windows in all guises comes with the fact that as soon as you start to ask a bit of it, it sticks it's fingers up at you and stops working (symbian too, but to a lesser degree). Usually resulting in a reboot. I recently had an upgrade to do so i started researching into what i might get. In the end, after a spate with symbian, i v much wanted a win mo device but was ever so curious about the iphone. So many ppl couldn't be wrong, right? I was also deeply tempted by the blackberry bold too. I ended up going for the iphone as the upgrade and bought a TP2 as well. I just couldn't do the iphone thing on its own in case i hated it.
Pleasingly, i don't. The iphone is everything a win mo phone isn't, and vica versa. The iphone is completely dependable, never misses a beat, does what it does do perfectly and apart from some of the crazy apps, completely dull. It is frustratingly good. Even multitasking isn't really much of an issue due to push notifications and the like. I'd love to say the screen res is an issue but it never is. Safari is in a league of it's own. But it is dull. I use it as my everyday phone because it's dependable, but i use my TP2 to mess about with, i've had that many different ROM's on it it's silly, i follow forum progress with different things going on with bated breath, excited to see if they can pull this new rom off, or a linux port. It's exciting, i can modify the hell out of it and personalise it my way. I can send files via bluetooth without having to jump through hoops (unlike the iphone).
So, it comes down to what you want it to do, and if you can put up with less or more customization. There is a lot to choose from out there now and it's hard to decide. Look at the palm pre, and droid, and what about the n900 0n maemo?? Whatever you decide, you'll end up with a really good bit of kit, cos the mobile world it going potty with new stuff at the mo.
Just one last note, in defence of win mo, it may be getting a bit left behind in terms of bling, but it still remains one of the most functional os's out there, it's just that the young guns have caught up now.
Hmmm as I don't like iPhone (because everyone has it) and I wouldn't go Sony Ericsson (because I don't believe in their great ability of doing palmtops), I am personally trying to find reasons for continuing with HTC.
1.Is Windows 7 going to be released "soonish", so that if I buy HD2 now I might get some (hopefully) acceptable o/s?
2.There is also Droid Eris / HTC Dragon / HTC Passion / whatever it is called. If it is "HD2 on Google Android 2.0" then the question arises:
------is it just the case of software? If yes, I assume xda-masters will sooner or later allow easy migration between these two systems, or are there any technological obstacles? If this were true then this would be the best option -> One phone if you get bored - you can always swap to another o/s...
3. What was the market response to Android 2.0? What do you guys think about it, as compared with Windows?
I'm using Android at the moment having used WM for the past few years. It's version 1.5 and I'm loving it. Can't wait for 2.0 to come out for the Hero.
It hardly ever needs a reset - it 'just works'
The HD2 is one bad boy! No one knows when Windows 7 going to be released...maybe 3rd Q of 2010. But WM6.5.1 should be a lot sooner for the Leo...
I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol
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I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol
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Well said!
+ 1 for this!
Every new phone and threads start with comparatives...
Very, Very UNFAIR comparison!!!
Seriously, HD2, go against someone ur OWN size (aka Xperia X10, i8910 HD, Motorola Milestone, N900, Acer F1)!
Leave iPhone alone! It's NOT even a smartphone (moreover not even a basic phone as it still lacks some basic phone functionality that people had for over a decade) as it doesn't even do multitasking...
What's "blackberry"?
bye
Firstly, let me thank all of you wonderful people, here on XDA, for all of your help with my many devices over the years!
But the time has come to move on. I'm afraid I have 'jumped ship' and got my self an iPhone 4!
I know, I know!
But I have to say, I love it! Is it as adaptable or individual as an HTC device? No! Is it more reliable and easy to use use? Yes! The plain fact is, it simply works. I have had it with hours / weeks / even months of fiddling, tweeking, crying and swearing over my HTC devices to get them to do what I want, or, in the caseof my HD2, simply get it to work!
It is refreshing to have a device which took just one hour to have just the way I wanted it. Nothing freezes or crashes, no resets (my HD2 required a soft reset with Memaid running every day or it was unusable), and customer service that is quick and very helpful (example, paid £40 for igo and couldn't get it to sync. Apple answered my email in 2 hours, I had an email conversation with an advisor over two days, trying various fixes which eventually worked. Then they emailed to tell me 'sorry for all the inconvenience' and 'as a valued member of the Apple family' (I know, yuck) they were refunding the £40 in full and hoped I would enjoy the app!
When did HTC ever respond like that?
I still have my HD2 (and my Touch HD) but they are being used by my wife and neice. The iPhone, much as I hate to say it, is just... better. It works, is quick and reliable. When I need it to work, it does and that is what, in the end, I need in my device.
I wish you all enjoyment in the use of your devices and health to use them!
Maybe, I'll be back some day...
Scottmo
Can i have you stuff ???
Lol enjoy your downgrade. Have fun being boring.
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Lol enjoy your downgrade. Have fun being boring.
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maybe he doesn't to do the same to his device that you do to yours.
he clearly just want a more intelligent feature phone. i myself have toyed with the idea but i always want to be able to mess around with stuff
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When did HTC ever respond like that?
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They don't even respond to bug reports...
Thanks!
Hey, guys, thanks for the replies. I thought people might be a bit more... negative. I appreciate the tone
You are all right, of course. Yes, it is more boring, in some ways a downgrade. I accept all that. However, there is no getting away from the face that it just works and has some amazing features (yes, I had a lot of them on my HD2, but they either took ages to work or didn't work right at all. I might sell my stuff eventually but my wife and neice are enjoying their 'new' phones ATM.
I am no fanboy and am quite progmatic about everything, I may well be back, or on android if / when things change, who can say?
Thanks again, and bye...
Another assimilation by the iBorg...
Mate, jeez why did you have to get a bloody iPhone? If you really hated your Leo so much, what you could've done is get an N1 or a Desire, and whacked MIUI on it. My mate bought a Desire, and had no dramas setting it up and using it.
If you need the apps from an iPhone, GET AN iPOD TOUCH! iPhone is just an overrated piece of ****e that does not do a lot more than a dumbphone, you are forced to use iTunes, it is locked down to the hilt, plus it loses reception when you touch the bottom left corner. Not to mention that you can't change the battery. (iPhone 4 is not the first phone capable of video calls, not to mention you can't do them over 3G)
I do see his point with WinMo being unstable (well it's an M$ product after all, and yeah I had a Leo too, but changed to a Desire due to WM being unstable, bugger all apps, unfriendly, buggy, and Android being the next big thing) but seriously, you should've changed to an Android phone. I talked most of my mates out of the iHype, and suggested a Galaxy S or a Desire instead of being Apple's slave. I like my freedom, mate!
Just my $0.02 ...
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Mate, jeez why did you have to get a bloody iPhone? If you really hated your Leo so much, what you could've done is get an N1 or a Desire, and whacked MIUI on it. My mate bought a Desire, and had no dramas setting it up and using it.
If you need the apps from an iPhone, GET AN iPOD TOUCH! iPhone is just an overrated piece of ****e that does not do a lot more than a dumbphone, you are forced to use iTunes, it is locked down to the hilt, plus it loses reception when you touch the bottom left corner. Not to mention that you can't change the battery. (iPhone 4 is not the first phone capable of video calls, not to mention you can't do them over 3G)
I do see his point with WinMo being unstable (well it's an M$ product after all, and yeah I had a Leo too, but changed to a Desire due to WM being unstable, bugger all apps, unfriendly, buggy, and Android being the next big thing) but seriously, you should've changed to an Android phone. I talked most of my mates out of the iHype, and suggested a Galaxy S or a Desire instead of being Apple's slave. I like my freedom, mate!
Just my $0.02 ...
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Mate, last year I would have agreed with you. Fact is I have had this phone for a fortnight now: no problems, no crashes, no resets. It is quick, responsive and does what it says on the tin!
Reception is fine, I've had no problems and don't use a 'bumper' or anything. As for itunes, I thought the same - then thought jailbreak. Fact is iTunes works just fine! Most of the apps I 'bought' were free or just 59p so I don't see the problem. I have never changed a battery in any phone I've owned... so don't anticipate a problem there. Android is great and, soon, it may be just what I want, but not now. Not yet. It just isn't quite there.
GPS on this thing is MUCH quicker, MUCH more accurate, MUCH more powerful (I get lock at home and work which I have never got close to before - HD2 couldn't even lock on OUTSIDE my work!) than anything I've used before.
Yes, there is an issue of being 'locked down' and I worried about this. However, when you use the phone and iTunes etc, there simply isn't an issue! If it works, and works well, what's the problem? I can't customise the phone but I'd rather have something that looks the same and works than something that looks different and either doesn't work or doesn't work as well or takes a lifetime to get it to work!
Don't get me wrong, if android comes of age by the end of my contract (12 Mnths) then I'll sell and come back to the fold. Untill then, I'm loving my iPhone and I don't care who knows it
Scottmo
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Mate, last year I would have agreed with you. Fact is I have had this phone for a fortnight now: no problems, no crashes, no resets. It is quick, responsive and does what it says on the tin!
Reception is fine, I've had no problems and don't use a 'bumper' or anything. As for itunes, I thought the same - then thought jailbreak. Fact is iTunes works just fine! Most of the apps I 'bought' were free or just 59p so I don't see the problem. I have never changed a battery in any phone I've owned... so don't anticipate a problem there. Android is great and, soon, it may be just what I want, but not now. Not yet. It just isn't quite there.
GPS on this thing is MUCH quicker, MUCH more accurate, MUCH more powerful (I get lock at home and work which I have never got close to before - HD2 couldn't even lock on OUTSIDE my work!) than anything I've used before.
Yes, there is an issue of being 'locked down' and I worried about this. However, when you use the phone and iTunes etc, there simply isn't an issue! If it works, and works well, what's the problem? I can't customise the phone but I'd rather have something that looks the same and works than something that looks different and either doesn't work or doesn't work as well or takes a lifetime to get it to work!
Don't get me wrong, if android comes of age by the end of my contract (12 Mnths) then I'll sell and come back to the fold. Untill then, I'm loving my iPhone and I don't care who knows it
Scottmo
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You're quite right about the HD2's GPS lock, it was slower than that N95 I had, but the GPS in my Desire is top notch, only takes a few seconds, and accuracy at its best was about 3 metres (HD2 was 7m). I do know the iPhone 3G had **** GPS signal (took ages for TomTom and Navigon to get a lock on my mates phone). I haven't used the GPS on a 3GS or a 4 or a 3G equipped iPad though to be honest.
I just wanted to show my opinion of the iPhone, and by the way, I have owned an iPod Touch 2G (bloody well regret selling the damn thing. Might get a 4th Gen once the SHAtter jailbreak comes out) and I do like the UI, and as a tweaker, I still like the power to do that and that's why my trusty old iPT 2G was jailbroken. Apple are great at designing stylish hardware and good UIs (heck look at the LISA, and even the Mac back in 1984, the GUIs on those wiped the floor with anything else at the time), but what pisses me off with Apple is Job's arrogance, marketing hype, vendor lock-in, and a heavily restricted platform where you have to obey anything Apple tells you to do. But at least the iPhone doesn't have all that **** that the telco (carrier) shoves down your throat, like unwanted apps, wallpapers, branding or bootscreens.
Sorry if it seemed like I was a zealous anti-Apple fanboy who doesn't see past WinMo, Blackberry, Android, or Symbian. It's just the iPhone isn't my cup of tea, along with those stupid little fart apps, gun apps, virtual beverage apps, and web site "apps" (iPhone's not the only one to have them btw).
So... will we see you at http://iphone-developers.com/ ?
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So... will we see you at http://iphone-developers.com/ ?
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Never knew XDA was setting up an iPhone specific site. It'd probably cover iPod Touch, iPad and Apple TV 2G as well right?
Strange, I've had 2 Leos and both just work out of the box.
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Hey, guys, thanks for the replies. I thought people might be a bit more... negative. I appreciate the tone
You are all right, of course. Yes, it is more boring, in some ways a downgrade. I accept all that. However, there is no getting away from the face that it just works and has some amazing features (yes, I had a lot of them on my HD2, but they either took ages to work or didn't work right at all. I might sell my stuff eventually but my wife and neice are enjoying their 'new' phones ATM.
I am no fanboy and am quite progmatic about everything, I may well be back, or on android if / when things change, who can say?
Thanks again, and bye...
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It dosent "just work" Bluetooth is stuffed, And if your Aussie the apparently iphones UI screwed up with daylight savings. Im not a fanboy eather. I just dont want to support a company that is leading the way in controlling your phone. Im annoyed at android and win phone 7 for folowing that path as well.
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I wish you all enjoyment in the use of your devices and health to use them!
Maybe, I'll be back some day...
Scottmo
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You too! Have fun and enjoy 99.9% reliability
Have to admit, I would have jumped ship if there was an OS out there that did everything I needed, however, up until WinPho7, winmo is the only one that does.
Rock on full Exchange/OneNote support! Welcome.... the Dell Lightning
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It dosent "just work" Bluetooth is stuffed, And if your Aussie the apparently iphones UI screwed up with daylight savings. Im not a fanboy eather....
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He's British, he doesn't have to worry about (third world) time zones (joke, please don't shoot me!!!!)
Have you got any info about how BT is stuffed? (Besides, if he doesn't want to use BT (I don't) then can't imagine no matter how bad it is he will be worried)
Yes apple devices restrict bluetooth in such a way that it can only communicate with apple devices (much the same as their video chat) and certain headsets ect. I am unsure if there is a jailbreak solution, But the fact that apple implimented this in the first place is enough to turn me away.
Dont forget this is in conjunction with their other connectivity and access issues (eg, no USB ports, no filesystem access no sd card functionality)
As I said above apple has led the way in restricting our devices. And since people have not taken issue with this, Microsoft, google and motorola are following, and they will as long as it is profitable to do so.
Not very nice of them, probably explains why none of the iphone people I see have BT devices. To be honest though, neither have I for my HD2 so this wouldn't cause me a problem at all.
Restricted or not should not be the question, the question should be "does the device do what you need?". In the OP's case, it sounds like it does so good luck to him.
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that it just works and has some amazing features
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did u ever had an android device in ur hands?^^
I am a microsoft certified shtooge.... They really hit a homerun with Windows7... but how can anyone take them seriously with a mobile os. They had over 10 years to kill that ****.. and they are weak. If Windows Phone 7 doesn't go well, you won't see Windows mobile until a computer and phone are the same.
how anyone could take microsoft seriously in the mobile arena is beyond me. I will be surprised and shocked if there new offering is actual stable and usable.
Seeing all OS's... I would say the android so far is winning.
Bluetooth actually works okay for me. My Samsung headset paired first time and works like a charm. I can even send stuff to other phones (non Apple) using an app and my phone isn't jailbroken yet.
It's just a matter of what is best for each of us at any one point in time. A few years ago WinMo was my choice. Now, it isn't.
Yes, I have used android and it is great. But there are still issues with reliability and crashing and also the iphone just 'felt' better to me, both physically and emotionally. I don't regret it and, as I said, I can change again in a year if / when things change. I am not (and never have been) a blinkered fan of any OS or any manufacturer. My phylosophy is, if it works and does what I need just now then I'll use it!
Yes, I will hop over to your iphone site (never knew it existed till now) but I'll hang around here from time to time too... maybe flash android to the HD2 and see how my wife gets on with it...
Been using windows phone for 1.5 years now... and i must say im really used to the UI and i believe using windows 8 would be a breeze for me as well
That being said, mum recently got the new ipad... and ive been trying to teach her how to use it...
AND to my surprise... i am actually feeling pretty good about WP for its convenience, slick UI, humanly made functions compared to apple
There is no way i can really take up an apple product now. It was just pure frustration when using it. Everything on WP was just so much easier faster and more useful!!
What do u think?
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Been using windows phone for 1.5 years now... and i must say im really used to the UI and i believe using windows 8 would be a breeze for me as well
That being said, mum recently got the new ipad... and ive been trying to teach her how to use it...
AND to my surprise... i am actually feeling pretty good about WP for its convenience, slick UI, humanly made functions compared to apple
There is no way i can really take up an apple product now. It was just pure frustration when using it. Everything on WP was just so much easier faster and more useful!!
What do u think?
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it is easy to use and all the people i know who have used it feel the same, but its important to remember that iOS android and WP all have their own pros and cons
each person to their own hey!
ive always said that out of the box without modification, WP is a much easier and complete package than the others, in my opinion of course!
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Been using windows phone for 1.5 years now... and i must say im really used to the UI and i believe using windows 8 would be a breeze for me as well
That being said, mum recently got the new ipad... and ive been trying to teach her how to use it...
AND to my surprise... i am actually feeling pretty good about WP for its convenience, slick UI, humanly made functions compared to apple
There is no way i can really take up an apple product now. It was just pure frustration when using it. Everything on WP was just so much easier faster and more useful!!
What do u think?
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Yep. Have a Titan for 9 months now, and no, even my iPod touch has become an alarm clock or simply a device that pulls my other emails inbox and junk. Turns out its not so much of a fun device like they advertised. Although I've been wanting to mod it to make it more "wearable" like putting it in a PipBoy 3000 case, but that would be ridiculous in public.
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Been using windows phone for 1.5 years now... and i must say im really used to the UI and i believe using windows 8 would be a breeze for me as well
That being said, mum recently got the new ipad... and ive been trying to teach her how to use it...
AND to my surprise... i am actually feeling pretty good about WP for its convenience, slick UI, humanly made functions compared to apple
There is no way i can really take up an apple product now. It was just pure frustration when using it. Everything on WP was just so much easier faster and more useful!!
What do u think?
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I felt the exact opposite when using my samsung focus for a year and a half. Not pure frustration but relief when i picked up an 4s. The app selection and speed of the browser and camera are worth it alone. Screen color reproduction outshines the super amoled as well. I have found that most new smartphone users pick up the UI navigation on an iphone much quicker than wp7. Unfair advantage though since most people have come across iOS at some point and to some degree beforehand. Both better than android though
Im kinda looking forward to the next iphone though I have 2 windows phones (omnia7, surround) an iphone 3gs, 3 ipads (2 ipad 1, 1 new ipad) im up for all tech devices heheh, just cant find an interest in android at the moment though
I quite like iOS as a whole, but the UI really turns me down, especially coming from WP. Android instead is going in the right direction with JB: the UI is now more polished and minimal WP7 style, reaching a good level of consistency. It's still not perfect but it keeps getting better. iOS instead really needs a complete makeover, there's way too much stuff jiggling around and "wannabe cute" thingies. Especially coming from WP7 it all looks like cluttered childish garbage. It gets stuff done nicely but it's far from being appealing to my eye, and that's a shame because the hardware really is top notch. Just my 2 cents.
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I have used old windows mobile, palmOS, iPhone4S and I have an android tablet with ICS. I use the arrive from Sprint, and compared with WM phones, it is superior, but to iPhone4s, which I didn't use too much at all, I don't think WP has too much advantage if there's any. I like the interface, but there are just too many little problems that's never get fixed. First and for most, the iPhone4s can send SMS with unicode without any problem, just like normal, you don't need to do anything, but my WP, others only see some junk boxes. Then, the MMS doesn't work after time, need to reset/power cycle the phone. You can't send video at all, no matter what. I can list these on and on, and after all these time, these little bugs never get fixed. The WP7 is stuck at a trial version forever. Just like the WM Microsoft did, they seems to be too slow, can't catch up with all the requests. That's probably a reason why WP isn't popular. In the whole time, Apple releases three new phones with major OS update, I think, and Google got even more releases, I think. To my understanding, even though WP has some very important bells and whistles, if they can't catch up with the demands from average joes and jeans like us to fix the problems, they will lose the game. I do understand my phone is old and the hardware limits it has, but still, those basic bugs should be fixed before they go on to a whole new OS which will abandon us in whole.
I've had a Dell Venue Pro for about 1.5 years now and my wife finally wanted a smartphone so I got her an iPhone 6 months ago.
I've used iOS maybe once or twice before and not for very long so when I finally got a chance to play with iOS for for a longer period of time, I ended up hating the experience completely! I found myself trying to swipe left and right in apps and thinking "why won't the pages swipe over??" before realizing I wasn't using WP. I got so used to the swiping actions in WP7 that anything else just doesn't feel right. I've just gotten so used to flicking up or down and tapping a live tile or just swiping to the app list and flicking up or down, then tapping on the app I want and then within the app swiping left and right through the different pages and up and down. Everything just feels so smooth and fluid. The letters flowing into the next page inviting me to swipe left or right! WP is a damn sexy OS!
Although I think iPhones are great devices for beginners, I think this is the main reason I could never use iOS now. iOS is all about tapping. Tap an app icon, tap the page you want from the bottom, tap to go back at the top of the app, tap this, tap that... everything is tap, tap, tap, and occasionally scroll on pages that are all static. It's cluttered. There's no fluidity. It doesn't evoke emotion. And I agree with the "jiggling" and the "wannabe cutsie" stuff... what's up with that???
The way I see it, iPhones really are for kids and people that just want an iPhone, Android is for nerds that love to tinker (until they get sick of it and end up buying an iPhone or WP), and WP is for people that want devices that just function properly with a little style and pizazz. WP is the modern OS.
Just my opinion
You just need some time to get use to the iOS, instead of there's anything bad. I have problems with the hard buttons on my WP, the volume buttons, the return/search/home buttons, which I can never get used to, almost always jumped by accidentally touched those buttons.
i could never use ios ever since the ipod touch came out since that its always been the same, but my favorite mobile os's from most favorite to least is windows phone, windows mobile first smartphone i used was a treo 700wx, then webos they were going places with that, ios, bb, and android though i have only used froyo and gingerbread worst experiance ever not even wm 6.1 was that bad
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i could never use ios ever since the ipod touch came out since that its always been the same, but my favorite mobile os's from most favorite to least is windows phone, windows mobile first smartphone i used was a treo 700wx, then webos they were going places with that, ios, bb, and android though i have only used froyo and gingerbread worst experiance ever not even wm 6.1 was that bad
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Android has changed a lot lately, it's much more polished, smooth and efficient. I still find it a bit unintuitive and overly complicated as a PHONE OS, but JB made it a very solid platform. I've been using it extensively on my tablet in the latest weeks and I'm pretty satisfied. I still like the simplicity and the fresh design of WP better, but it's a whole different world compared to how it used to be in the past, maybe you should grab a Nexus device or something and give it another chance
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WP7 was winning the game right up until ms dropped it. I look at the wp metro now and just wish they'd let users skin the thing. They should have introduced a folder system, language support is thin. It's depressing because wp was the best os, now jellybean is out and has ironed out all the niggles with droid. A new ios is only a month away and ms are trying to tout win8, which already looks set to be the biggest failure in the history of Microsoft.
It is nearly game, set and match to apple. What a depressing time for tech
A few things wp7 can boast are, best search (camera, tags, sound and text all in one interface), fastest web browsing of all devices, absolutely AMAZING cloud integration with skydive, easy groupings of friends/contacts.... Actually the list of things wp7 is still better for is huge. Why did ms drop it?
I just hope Nokia can get a droid device out there fast.
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iOS is all about tapping. Tap an app icon, tap the page you want from the bottom, tap to go back at the top of the app, tap this, tap that... everything is tap, tap, tap, and occasionally scroll on pages that are all static. It's cluttered. There's no fluidity. It doesn't evoke emotion.
Couldn't agree more. iOS always appear like something i can buy from Toys R Us and made by Fisher Price.
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I would say Win 7 is much nicer than ios , however , if Microsoft changes up the system every 2 years like they just did with win 8 (basically making our win 7 devices a KIN) , i WONT BE BACK! Those people who bought the 2nd gen wp7 fones are screwed now in there contract , right after pushing the wp7 on them and millions sold , Microsoft annouces win 8 and they are not backwords compatible , so you have to have the newest fones in order to use win8 , yes they give a small gui for nokia with no functionality of 8 , your screwed too!
Nope I was a fan from the beginning ,I have focus 1.3 and have changed out custom roms , its been dev unlocked from the beginning, interop unlocked as well ,but I dont see a future in it , I do like the interface , but I think I will get an Android next , and just get a custom rom that looks like win 8 !! or anything else I want ! My Tablet rocks with Jelly Bean !
I actually use iOS far more then my WP7 device. My 4S however just can accomplish so much more then my Optimus 7. Better everything really. The WP7 OS however is still my favorite. I just hope they create some amazing phones down the line. Really really stunning phones.
After having used a long time my well loved o²xda-htc wallaby(which died in 2010 by batterydead,and the long and very sad search of a well priced htc hd2,where i was victim of the ebay classifieds services i bought ,and yes thats sad in some cases,that i must say ,that i don´t know if it was luck that i spend 200€ for my Omnia7 in a telekomshop,but what i can say defenitely after all: Iphone and every other Apple-Product where never an option for me!!! And this is based on some reasons for me: 1. there is the fact,that the appelproducts and especially the phones are so extremely overpriced in comparision of hardware/price 2. that i hate that everyone who owns an appeldevice is so "proud" on this and that this person act like as it is the biggest show-off,the applehype has disgusted me totaly 3. is that iphones are not very longlife-produced and often their screen brakes by first "touchdown" 4. that i whish that the appleconcern is breaken down in some years 5.that it is my opinion,that when appledevices were good everyone bought windevices,and now that windwos has cought up in (hardware) but mostly software specifications,their reputation has lost the multimediadevices and phonemarket.
What i must say also is,when i´ll buy me a new device i´ll buy me an androiddevice,nothing lesser then one of the topdevices(S3 or something like this). This is based on the fact,that microsoft has disappointed me that much as i could be dissapointed by them ,and also because i think that wp8 will be at the end locked down, as much as wp7 was, something i´ll never have to own again as a smartphoneos
I love Android. I've been using it for two years now on five different devices and I've been able to watch it grow out of the awkward Gingerbread "teenager" stage into an amazing OS in ICS/Jelly Bean.
But, recently, I bought an iPad. It wasn't my first choice. I actually bought a Nexus 10 first but due to horrible backlight bleed issues and general boredom in the OS (I found Android to be much more uninteresting on the 10 than on my Nexus 4 and 7 for some reason) I returned it and eventually settled upon the iPad. And I'm not going to lie...I absolutely love it. It's ridiculously fast, fluid, sexy, and the screen is calibrated better than that of the Nexus 10. Sure, the homescreen is boring, but I've found I spend little to no time on the homescreen whereas I do much more on my Nexus 4 and 7.
Then my mom bought an iPhone 5. And so the story progresses. I've been playing with it a lot recently. The screen is pretty good, it's as fast as my iPad, the external speakers are perfection, and the general feel of the device is premium. At first I was bothered with the screen size (I still find it awkward in landscape), but I've grown used to it and actually found myself sort of liking the smallness of it (which is something I've always hated in iPhones). After all, I have my iPad for a larger screen.
And now, lastly, I'm getting a Mac pretty soon. I've always loved OS X. That really isn't anything new, to be honest. I'm not a huge fan of Windows and find it to be clunky and bloated after a few months of usage (after a year, none of my Windows computers have been as functional as they were when I first purchased them). So I'm selling my Windows laptop and buying a Mac Mini, something I'm really excited about. And the idea of pure integration between my computer, tablet, and phone sounds...well...mesmerizing. Fascinating. All of those types of adjectives.
So here I am on XDA, hounding around the Galaxy S4 forums, thinking "Well, this phone looks great, but what if I bought an iPhone?" And the fact that I'm thinking that terrifies the geek in me. For the last two years you would be hard pressed to find a bigger Android fanboy than myself. And now I'm considering having all Apple devices (except for the iPad Mini; clearly the Nexus 7 is superior to that overpriced and under-speced junk). Is there anyone here who can persuade me to stick around with Android? Maybe buy a Galaxy device (I have found AOSP to be pretty boring, lately)? I honestly don't really know. But I have an upgrade, and the last thing I want to do is waste it. I'm not a huge fan of shelling out $600 every time I want a new phone and can't upgrade. Anyway, if anyone can help me with this decision, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.
MissionImprobable said:
My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.
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I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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It's your life and your money - wear only Ed Hardy and drink only TAB, anyone who really cares doesn't have much of their own to care about.
I had a Macbook for a few years and I didn't die.
I've been really unimpressed with Apple's products lately. iOS just feels horribly dated to me and the synching wasn't that amazing from what I experienced - I can do better on Android these days though I bet Apple has caught up.
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I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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I can tell you this. I have an iPhone5 that was provided to me by my work. It was great at first. I went from from an Iphone 3g to Android and thought I would never turn back. After my Evo 3d I've grown to loath my Evo3d and couldn't wait for the S4.
With this said after about two weeks of using the iPhone I have grown bored and annoyed with the device. Since it is a work phone I am not allowed to jailbreak or do anything "illegal" with it. I prefer to have a nice clean desktop and quick launches that I have grown use to on my EVO3d. With that said after the beauty of the iPhone 5 (and I'm not taking anything away from it), I have come running back with a new appreciation for the Android device. I still hate my Evo3d, but I don't take it for granted for what I can do on the device. Even if I were to jailbreak the iPhone5, the one thing that wouldn't change is that I would still be limited to the same OS with its basic limitations. Even with Winterboard the device wouldn't be able to do 50% of what my outdated Evo can do.
This is just my opinion and feelings but as a daily use I would hate it. Since I only need to check emails and use it for a few work items I can deal with the iPhone.
U ll be bored from ios in 2 months...haha u can't customize it like android...ios doesnt has freedom like android...it looks faster than android because of real time priority...and android has normal priority...nothing else
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Owned the 1st iPhone and a 3GS. Both unlocked and JB'ed. Then made the jump and moved to a Galaxy S2.
I couldn't go back. There are just too many limitations and restrictions. Some of the most simple processes on android are a task on the iPhone.
Everything requires hoops and leaps compared to Android, unless you don't mind doing it Apples way. I HATED itunes. Simply throwing some mp3's on an sd card and putting it in my android phone was pathetically liberating after years with an iPhone.
If you just want to use twitter, facebook, send emails, and download some games, then you'll be fine.
But everything is proprietary and what you see is what you get.
IOS looks great and the build quality on the 5 is fantastic, but, that will get overshadowed in time imo. I strongly believe cosmetics are half the reason people own the iPhone. It screams quality, but personally, the limited and restricted functionality sticks out to me much more.
That's my .02.
Yeah I agree with u 100%
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I don't think I could do a Macbook again because I'd need to dual-boot Windows to get half the things I want to work. At least Linux has a strong community that's invested in creative solutions (don't have native Netflix ? That's okay, we found a way!) and it can be taken as an environment that forces you to learn - I did not get that spirit from Mac, it was much like Windows but with more limited software and a different GUI.
I do harbour a special hate for the Mac GUI. It just looks so "1980s" to me, it looks like what I'd expect from a new and still developing technology - which made it awesome back when it first came out but it needs to move on.
I built my own Windows computer for $500 and am very pleased that it can play the video games I want very well - and if anything breaks I can repair it myself and I can upgrade components as I choose - it will grow with me for years. No, I wasn't thrilled about Windows but I've had this thing for almost a year it's doing fine.
I don't hate Mac, I really don't - if they start thinking differently I'd consider them again.
If you want to carry something and relax go to apple... But for me I like missing up and with andriod you are always able to discover something new.. Its more exiting
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No Iphone threads please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883519
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