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It seems that a lot of companies are really taking advantage of twitter to communicate with customers at large. Some examples are Verizon and HTC announcing the Eris OS update, Sprint has announced items via twitter. Lot's of people follow these companies and I am sure that these companies search twitter for references to there name.
So I propose that we use the power of twitter to send a clear message to Sprint that we would like an Android 2.0.1 update and that we would like some sort of news confirming it. We don't need exact deadlines but just knowing that it's coming would be great news for the community. It would also benefit Sprint in the long run because potential and current customers would have a little bit more faith in buying a Hero at 179.99 knowing that it will be getting an update.
I am going to post this to a few other Sprint/Hero related forums. Everyone can start twitting now or we can try to get some clear defined message written out that we can all retweet. Please post any thoughts, inputs or messages that you have twitted @Sprint.
My twitter ID is kennyidaho.
You do know that HTC announced we would be getting 2.x on Twitter about a month ago, right?
http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/5243593307
Flipz beat me to it.
I was googling for the article where HTC Confirmed it. They wouldn't bother with the update for CDMA Hero if Sprint wasn't going to give it to us. It costs them too much money to build an OS/Rom for a phone just in case Sprint ever asks for it.
Yes but nobody knows for sure if this applies to CDMA Hero's (we do know that it applies to GSM Hero's because of the leaked ROM - is there any proof a CDMA rom has been created?). HTC control's the update process on GMS Hero's, however Sprint has to request and push an update to Sprint Hero's. HTC is primarily a GSM manufacture and will cater to those devices first.
Assuming that HTC's announcement regarding Android 2.0 applies to carrier branded devices is as naive as assuming that the successor to the Hero (to be announced in February) applies to Sprints Hero.
Trust me I would like to hope it's true. Having Sprint and HTC devices in the past I know that just because HTC updates it's GSM equivalent it does not always indicate CDMA devices will receive the update (or will be updated in a timely manner).
Well if its been confirmed well what's the harm of twittering Sprint
No harm...
Just seems like a waste, one way or another we will have a 2.1 update.
Kcarpenter said:
No harm...
Just seems like a waste, one way or another we will have a 2.1 update.
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Myself and I am sure many others grow tired of the waiting game with these devices. In the end the main goal really is to see sprint open up a little bit.
If Sprint has ordered the update, if it's in testing and is slated to be released sometime first quarter 2010 then what's the harm in telling us? Verizon can notify it's customers that their Droid Eris, which is basically the same phone as the Hero, is getting updated - Sprint can take that risk too!
Right now Verizon is blitzing the media with Droid this Droid that, update this update that. What's sprint doing? A 5 second mention on a commercial also advertising the Pre and Tour?
Kcarpenter said:
No harm...
Just seems like a waste, one way or another we will have a 2.1 update.
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just saying, in the time it took you to type that out and post it here, you could just as easily have tweeted something to sprint about getting the update.
how are you so absolutely positive that we'll get it? do you know something the rest of us don't?
all i'm saying is that it's not a waste to tell them what you want, whether or not you already know you're going to get it.
I agree totaly. We make huge investments in these devices, especially those of us who don't get them by signing a new contract. Personally I have to have the coolest gadget on the market, its my kryptonite. To that note also, Sprint does have the best service converage and price in my area. So I can't afford necessarrily to go else where. Damned if you do Damned if you don't. We are at the mercy of the phone company and until we get the portablity openness in the U.S. that our European counterparts have, we are stuck with what we get.
That being said, the Devs on this forum and else where make the phone what its worth, not Sprint. Luckily in our case, "There is always someone smarter than you". Meaning Sprint can hold out all they want, we will get ours eventually. I am sure we can yell and scream and cause a fuss, but I don't see the merit behind it. Kind of like getting upset with the Customer Serivce reps at sprint when we call to ask the status of the update, you can yell at them all day long and nothing will get accomplished other than making them pissed and ruining their day.
Just Twitter don't be upset just ask nicely, what id they respond back with next week. Then the debate can hold off on thief build and relax
Gah, I even went out and made a twitter account for you guys. Now knowing I have a twitter account gives me the chills... I feel like a 'myspace' person now.
@sprint and @htc right???
@kcarpenter5407
Kcarpenter said:
Gah, I even went out and made a twitter account for you guys. Now knowing I have a twitter account gives me the chills... I feel like a 'myspace' person now.
@sprint and @htc right???
@kcarpenter5407
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Hey Twitter is nothing like having a MySpace account, granted most people mis use by updating about nothing. I follow cnn, some journalist that I like and some online stores and ESPN plus a couple sports teams. Which has Me do less surfing cause all the info comes straight to me
If u decide to give Twitter a try may I suggest if you find someone intresting follow them and check out who they are following
I don't see any harm in this... I'm going to twitter Sprint here in a few
I was being slightly facetious.
Well HTC posted a response nothing from sprint
So as many know, HTC holds the ball in our Official ICS Updates. They're the company that wants to get us the "Latest, and Greatest" Thing. But they seem to have forgotten about us. The Sensation, Sensation 4G, Sensation XE, Sensation XL will be getting ICS in March. Then the Rezound, Vivid, Amaze 4G, Evo 3D, Design 4G, INC S, Desire S, and DHD will be getting ICS sometime this year.
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Why are we not on this list? We have Similar, to better Specs than these phones. The reason is??? My Sense, the Death of ANY HTC Phone. All these phones Run Sense 2.1, GingerSense, or Sense 3.0/5. It's complete bull crap, I know it's not an Issue for people like us. We have Great Dev's, 5 ICS Rom's. But with no Official ICS Rom, no Official ICS Source. It makes AOSP Rom's lack a Camera, which means no CM9.
I Emailed HTC, ranting about how all these devices have ICS Updates. But we don't, I feel betrayed. I've used HTC Handsets for the longest time, and not going to buy another after this. If I can't be promised and Official Update for a high end phone, just because it's OS. It's just stupid. Reminds me of school, when I'd get picked on for listening to a certain band. I choose the wrong music, now I have to deal with being left out till Middle Schools over.
So fellow Doubleshot users, whats you opinion? Going to stay with HTC? Or jump ship to the Galaxy S 3 like the rest of the world?
I personally feel it is too early to worry about not getting ICS. The sensation announcements are mostly for the Global phones and the others are Verizon specific. They will announce more soon they said. I feel better with HTC than Samsuck. I had a behold 2 and they pretty much Lied and screwed their customers from the get go. And even IF we don't get an official ICS ROM at least I KNOW I will be able to install a custom ROM from more than 1 dev and I'm not lock out by using the very unsafe odin bricking tool. Plus touchiwiz blows compared to sense. Not mention the fiasco with the GB updates for the original S series and they left the Original S series with no ICS even though the Nexus S is mostly the same phone! Yeah never owning a Samsung again. Not even a Samsung Nexus.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
I personally feel it is too early to worry about not getting ICS. The sensation announcements are mostly for the Global phones and the others are Verizon specific. They will announce more soon they said. I feel better with HTC than Samsuck. I had a behold 2 and they pretty much Lied and screwed their customers from the get go. And even IF we don't get an official ICS ROM at least I KNOW I will be able to install a custom ROM from more than 1 dev and I'm not lock out by using the very unsafe odin bricking tool.
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The behold was a sad, sad phone. Didn't only get 1.6?
But if we don't have an official ICS Rom, we can't get CM9. So we'd be CMless till the Summer if where lucky. I Love TB's Rom, but once we have official CM code we'll get a jump on Roms. MIUI, CM9 Type Roms, AOSP, and Quarto.
gs3 baby! MWC better not upset me.
Just my spare change.
I some what beg to differ. We do have working Kernels now even IF they aren't the new 3.0.x kernel. Also when NBetcher and I were working on SalsaSlide on the mT3GS he ported the Kernel from the Salsa RUU so we had a more up-to-date kernel than the one from the official Froyo release.
As for the Behold it was a good phone that was more powerful than any other Android Phone T-mobile had until the SGS (with the exception of the N1). Also Samsung themselves promised us Eclair and they lied and gave us Donut instead. Also the SGS Touchwiz blows if I wanted a phone that wanted to be an iPhone I'd get an iPhone.
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I actually did the same thing twice, emailing HTC. Their short answer was no at this time the MT4G Slide is not our top priority so we won't do it. Kinda made me a little flustered, but at least HTC isn't the only manufacture...
The way I see it, we WILL have 99% source because as you stated before, we have similar, if not better specs than those phones listed. The sensation and our phone are nearly identical. Same with the amaze. Even in terms of hardware, we have the same processor and camera as the amaze. We have less RAM, but, only by a little. I'm not worried. Our devs have proven that they can run with the best. Until they start jumping ship, I'm optimistic about our future.
Also, don't forget, the migration from the g2 to the mytouch 4g slide has already started, and will only increase. As the only top tier phone with a keyboard (I'm not even going to give the sidekick any credit here), we should see a flood of excellent devs in the coming months. I hear the g2 devs are some of the best around.
Hopefully we'll get a Dev who can create a Camera Source from Scratch like they had to do on the DHD. That's really my main concern, even if we didn't get an official ICS Rom. But just the proper source to make it, it'd be nice. We should all email them and ask them to do so.
Is it true that T-Mo is giving Sensations as a optional replacement for this phone?
Just my spare change.
CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Is it true that T-Mo is giving Sensations as a optional replacement for this phone?
Just my spare change.
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How does opptional replacment work do u just call tmobile n ask for a replacment
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CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Is it true that T-Mo is giving Sensations as a optional replacement for this phone?
Just my spare change.
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No clue, but I'm getting a G2 :3
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Dear Alex Bonilla,
Thank you for taking the time to contact us here at HTC, Alex. I will be happy to provide you with information regarding upgrades to the android operating systems for HTC devices.
All new HTC devices will receive updates to the android operating system from Google for up to 18 months after the official release date for the device, provided that the device hardware can support it. Some devices may fall under the 18 month time frame to receive an update but may not have the memory or CPU requirements to handle it. In this case the device will not receive an update
In rare cases HTC occasionally provides a developer version of an update for testing purposes. If this happens then the updated software is not sent over the air to the device or posted on our official web portal. Instead we make it available via our developer web portal at http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads . These types of updates are only recommended for experienced device owners and software developers. Installing such an update to your device is not supported or endorsed by HTC. If you choose to install a developer ROM to your device it would be at your own discretion.
Regarding specific dates and information, at this time we do not have an ETA to provide for you. To stay on top of release dates for upgrades and new devices, you can follow our official social network feeds on Twitter and Facebook, or our official website at http://www.htc.com/us/ or http://www.htc.com/us/press . Remember that in most cases you should receive direct notification to your device of any updates and maintenance releases once they are available for download and installation.
I hope that this information is helpful to you, Alex, and clarifies your questions regarding device upgrades. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
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Well take a look at my sig....
btw: this sucks...this is why Htc shouldn't put out a trillion devices a day, instead of just releasing a couple flagships and keeping them updated
AgentCherryColla said:
Dear Alex Bonilla,
Thank you for taking the time to contact us here at HTC, Alex. I will be happy to provide you with information regarding upgrades to the android operating systems for HTC devices.
All new HTC devices will receive updates to the android operating system from Google for up to 18 months after the official release date for the device, provided that the device hardware can support it. Some devices may fall under the 18 month time frame to receive an update but may not have the memory or CPU requirements to handle it. In this case the device will not receive an update
In rare cases HTC occasionally provides a developer version of an update for testing purposes. If this happens then the updated software is not sent over the air to the device or posted on our official web portal. Instead we make it available via our developer web portal at http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads . These types of updates are only recommended for experienced device owners and software developers. Installing such an update to your device is not supported or endorsed by HTC. If you choose to install a developer ROM to your device it would be at your own discretion.
Regarding specific dates and information, at this time we do not have an ETA to provide for you. To stay on top of release dates for upgrades and new devices, you can follow our official social network feeds on Twitter and Facebook, or our official website at http://www.htc.com/us/ or http://www.htc.com/us/press . Remember that in most cases you should receive direct notification to your device of any updates and maintenance releases once they are available for download and installation.
I hope that this information is helpful to you, Alex, and clarifies your questions regarding device upgrades. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
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Sincerely,
Charles
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Pretty typical response. Doesn't mean jack. Their plan is usually the same, have a big announcement about updates so they can say "hey, we take care of our customers", then put off their less popular devices, hoping to sweep it under the rug. Big corporations are like children. They need to be pressured and forced into doing the right thing.
Still, the source code will be released for the sensation and amaze, so if its camera you're worried about, I'm 100% positive tbalden can break it down and port it. Just look at his tv out thread. Dude's a devving mastermind.
AgentCherryColla said:
No clue, but I'm getting a G2 :3
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Why dat?
I'm calling today to see about getting swapped for a Sensation. I like the bigger screens.
Just my spare change.
Man ... everytime i get a peek into the past lives of people's handsets, I feel left out that I didn't get involved with Android until recently. I had a tablet for a bit, but this device that I got an August was my first cellular handset that was more then a bottom of the line flip phone (that I didn't even have charged half the time...provided I knew where it was)
I admit i'm a little jealous of all the cool stuff you guys have been through, rammed home by the fact that i've been spending time recently researching how root and s-off was obtained on older devices and learning the history that most of you lived with and just know.
This is where I make my stand, it's a solid device that can handle everything I put it through, and i'm happy with it. I have no intentions of going anywhere, and am taking the time to learn gingerbread through and through. Once I get that down cold i'll move up to ICS and beyond.
What's been said about future devs coming in is true - this device is being given out ass a replacement for the G2, so as those devices break down people will be coming in. We've already seen a couple of waves of it here, and having been here since before s-off was available there absolutely is a lot more dev happening now then anytime before. We have choices, options to play with given to us by the people who have been taking the time to put them together.
All of our devs are working together and helping each other out, and we have a solid little community here. I don't intend on going anywhere anytime soon, and doubt that anyone else working on the device is going to jump ship anytime soon.
I laughed @ Samsuck - never heard that before - but i've had the chance to play with some motorolla and samsung handsets recently that people I know own, and compared to this device and the other HTC products other friends of mine own (inspire 4g, incredible) the other brands seem somewhat lacking.
I expect that the next handset I purchase at some indeterminate time in the distant future will be an HTC as well. I can say that i'll start with HTC, and if I don't feel like my needs are being addressed then i'll look elsewhere.
I hear what you're saying, Agent - but i'm also a big fan of getting off my behind and doing it myself. They don't want to help? I'll figure it out if I want it done.
Before the new year hit there was that issue about the loggers and security. The Android Police article came out, I got the notification through Pulse News because it's the first thing I check when I wake up. Jumped right into the forums to make a patch - guess what? another dev had released it about 15 minutes before I got here. Done. HTC patch? 2 MONTHS later. We had ours in 2 hours.
If you want to wait for the manufacturer/carrier to grind an update through it's gargantuan system, and wait for them to do this and that and the other thing, run it through legal, get signed off on, etc... you'll be waiting forever. At least here we can work together to make it happen on a more immediate level.
We do the best we can with what we got, and if all we got is gingerbread kernel source...F 'em, we'll make it work. I'm attacking the current s-off issue - am I mad at HTC for locking us out? A little - they shouldn't, it's unethical - like buying a new car but having a governer on it that only lets it go 25m.p.h. - but we'll crack it no thanks to them and it'll be okay.
I have a can-do attitude, and the one flaw in security is by it's very nature no security can be made that cannot be broken. Fact of life true for everything from mechanical locks to software. All it takes is an investment of time, effort and energy to make it happen, and that's literally what we have here in the community.
CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Why dat?
I'm calling today to see about getting swapped for a Sensation. I like the bigger screens.
Just my spare change.
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Please tesll me what happens cause I would like a sensation too I like the bigger screen too
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Blue6IX said:
Man ... everytime i get a peek into the past lives of people's handsets, I feel left out that I didn't get involved with Android until recently. I had a tablet for a bit, but this device that I got an August was my first cellular handset that was more then a bottom of the line flip phone (that I didn't even have charged half the time...provided I knew where it was)
I admit i'm a little jealous of all the cool stuff you guys have been through, rammed home by the fact that i've been spending time recently researching how root and s-off was obtained on older devices and learning the history that most of you lived with and just know.
This is where I make my stand, it's a solid device that can handle everything I put it through, and i'm happy with it. I have no intentions of going anywhere, and am taking the time to learn gingerbread through and through. Once I get that down cold i'll move up to ICS and beyond.
What's been said about future devs coming in is true - this device is being given out ass a replacement for the G2, so as those devices break down people will be coming in. We've already seen a couple of waves of it here, and having been here since before s-off was available there absolutely is a lot more dev happening now then anytime before. We have choices, options to play with given to us by the people who have been taking the time to put them together.
All of our devs are working together and helping each other out, and we have a solid little community here. I don't intend on going anywhere anytime soon, and doubt that anyone else working on the device is going to jump ship anytime soon.
I laughed @ Samsuck - never heard that before - but i've had the chance to play with some motorolla and samsung handsets recently that people I know own, and compared to this device and the other HTC products other friends of mine own (inspire 4g, incredible) the other brands seem somewhat lacking.
I expect that the next handset I purchase at some indeterminate time in the distant future will be an HTC as well. I can say that i'll start with HTC, and if I don't feel like my needs are being addressed then i'll look elsewhere.
I hear what you're saying, Agent - but i'm also a big fan of getting off my behind and doing it myself. They don't want to help? I'll figure it out if I want it done.
Before the new year hit there was that issue about the loggers and security. The Android Police article came out, I got the notification through Pulse News because it's the first thing I check when I wake up. Jumped right into the forums to make a patch - guess what? another dev had released it about 15 minutes before I got here. Done. HTC patch? 2 MONTHS later. We had ours in 2 hours.
If you want to wait for the manufacturer/carrier to grind an update through it's gargantuan system, and wait for them to do this and that and the other thing, run it through legal, get signed off on, etc... you'll be waiting forever. At least here we can work together to make it happen on a more immediate level.
We do the best we can with what we got, and if all we got is gingerbread kernel source...F 'em, we'll make it work. I'm attacking the current s-off issue - am I mad at HTC for locking us out? A little - they shouldn't, it's unethical - like buying a new car but having a governer on it that only lets it go 25m.p.h. - but we'll crack it no thanks to them and it'll be okay.
I have a can-do attitude, and the one flaw in security is by it's very nature no security can be made that cannot be broken. Fact of life true for everything from mechanical locks to software. All it takes is an investment of time, effort and energy to make it happen, and that's literally what we have here in the community.
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YoY Im inspired, I'll stick it out. You should make a camera driver for AOSP Roms.
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Blue6IX said:
Man ... everytime i get a peek into the past lives of people's handsets, I feel left out that I didn't get involved with Android until recently. I had a tablet for a bit, but this device that I got an August was my first cellular handset that was more then a bottom of the line flip phone (that I didn't even have charged half the time...provided I knew where it was)
I admit i'm a little jealous of all the cool stuff you guys have been through, rammed home by the fact that i've been spending time recently researching how root and s-off was obtained on older devices and learning the history that most of you lived with and just know.
This is where I make my stand, it's a solid device that can handle everything I put it through, and i'm happy with it. I have no intentions of going anywhere, and am taking the time to learn gingerbread through and through. Once I get that down cold i'll move up to ICS and beyond.
What's been said about future devs coming in is true - this device is being given out ass a replacement for the G2, so as those devices break down people will be coming in. We've already seen a couple of waves of it here, and having been here since before s-off was available there absolutely is a lot more dev happening now then anytime before. We have choices, options to play with given to us by the people who have been taking the time to put them together.
All of our devs are working together and helping each other out, and we have a solid little community here. I don't intend on going anywhere anytime soon, and doubt that anyone else working on the device is going to jump ship anytime soon.
I laughed @ Samsuck - never heard that before - but i've had the chance to play with some motorolla and samsung handsets recently that people I know own, and compared to this device and the other HTC products other friends of mine own (inspire 4g, incredible) the other brands seem somewhat lacking.
I expect that the next handset I purchase at some indeterminate time in the distant future will be an HTC as well. I can say that i'll start with HTC, and if I don't feel like my needs are being addressed then i'll look elsewhere.
I hear what you're saying, Agent - but i'm also a big fan of getting off my behind and doing it myself. They don't want to help? I'll figure it out if I want it done.
Before the new year hit there was that issue about the loggers and security. The Android Police article came out, I got the notification through Pulse News because it's the first thing I check when I wake up. Jumped right into the forums to make a patch - guess what? another dev had released it about 15 minutes before I got here. Done. HTC patch? 2 MONTHS later. We had ours in 2 hours.
If you want to wait for the manufacturer/carrier to grind an update through it's gargantuan system, and wait for them to do this and that and the other thing, run it through legal, get signed off on, etc... you'll be waiting forever. At least here we can work together to make it happen on a more immediate level.
We do the best we can with what we got, and if all we got is gingerbread kernel source...F 'em, we'll make it work. I'm attacking the current s-off issue - am I mad at HTC for locking us out? A little - they shouldn't, it's unethical - like buying a new car but having a governer on it that only lets it go 25m.p.h. - but we'll crack it no thanks to them and it'll be okay.
I have a can-do attitude, and the one flaw in security is by it's very nature no security can be made that cannot be broken. Fact of life true for everything from mechanical locks to software. All it takes is an investment of time, effort and energy to make it happen, and that's literally what we have here in the community.
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well said
i just switch from a g2x, they all complain on how lg is leaving them out on the ics update. had a g2,mt3gs, heck i even had a cliq just to name a few, and a lot of people on those forums complain on the manufactures/carriers is leaving them out from updates. I remember reading this "DONT GET A PHONE HOPING YOU WILL GET THE NEWEST UPDATES< GET A PHONE THAT YOUR HAPPY ON WHAT IT HAS" to me that is so true and in my opinon htc has some of the best phones, and if we dont get the update, so what, i am very happy with this phone the way it is
CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Why dat?
I'm calling today to see about getting swapped for a Sensation. I like the bigger screens.
Just my spare change.
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There only 200 bucks brand new from T-Mo. $50 on contract. I reported my phone stollen, got a G2 for 50
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Dear All,
Are you as pissed off as I am by how HTC promised for open source and hasn't kept its promise?
I have asked their support line, on their ics blog and were in touch with HTC Officials personally. Never got an answer for that.
So here's an open letter to HTC that I am thinking.
What is the criteria to decide on which phones receive updates in what order, why some phones are given deadlines while others are "sometime later this year"
What happened to HTC's promise for open source? Why do you not release kernel and driver sources for ICS?
Why the unlocking is limited and will you provide a true unlock solution.
If there is enough attention, I would like to use social media to draw HTC's attention.
Who's with me?
Join the crew man! There are several people who are trying to contact HTC daily for these things. Also, a true unlock solution should be on your list!
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hceylan said:
Dear All,
Are you as pissed off as I am by how HTC promised for open source and hasn't kept its promise?
I have asked their support line, on their ics blog and were in touch with HTC Officials personally. Never got an answer for that.
So here's an open letter to HTC that I am thinking.
What is the criteria to decide on which phones receive updates in what order, why some phones are given deadlines while others are "sometime later this year"
What happened to HTC's promise for open source? Why do you not release kernel and driver sources for ICS?
If there is enough attention, I would like to use social media to draw HTC's attention.
Who's with me?
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Well for the most part the drivers are not theirs to offer as open source. They belong to another company that will never release the source for them. The kernel sources are posted normally with in a fair amount of time.
Alot of time the carriers (For US phones) have more control over the updates then the OEM. Take the Desire HD and the US version the Inspire. The Desire HD has gotten 2 updates, one for a sercurity issue and one for a Sense version update. While the Inspire got nothing.
Give this a read and feel free to post it or add to it and make HTC hear us!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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imheroldman said:
Join the crew man! There are several people who are trying to contact HTC daily for these things. Also, a true unlock solution should be on your list!
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I know that I am not the only one. But to draw a big attention we need to get together and today the answer for that is social media. AFAIK, there is no social media group currently to address the issue.
On the other hand, yep you are right, adding the true unlock issue.
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Well for the most part the drivers are not theirs to offer as open source. They belong to another company that will never release the source for them. The kernel sources are posted normally with in a fair amount of time.
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"Will never release the source code" is a bold statement. 25 years ago one wouldn't think an enterprise would ever release the source codes. But the times changed and the demand from the community got bigger so they were forced to and adopted a new way doing business.
This was a wave in Linux case, first the kernel was open source, now *almost* every driver is now open source, including companies like Intel.. An exception to that would be Nvidia. But with the nouveau project, sooner or later they will start to cooperate. As in Nvidia PC business most of the customers are non-Linux customers that is not yet an issue for them. On the other side, they are too under pressure on the mobile land with their tegra line.
Provided the above is correct, if there were an enough *united* community demand, first the OEMs / Carriers will be on the front line then they will turn to their hardware providers to opensource the drivers.
Correct me if I am wrong but a driver is merely a bridge between the kernel and the hardware, so I really do not get it the reason to keep it closed.
As for the kernel sources, I still do not see and 3.x.x source for devices other then Sensation and One line. ICS was released mid November. I am sure OEMs like HTC got their hands on it before that, so it is over 5 months they haven't released updates. I know that updates aren't produced overnight, yet 5+ months is quite disappointing. So I disagree with "fair amount of time" part.
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Alot of time the carriers (For US phones) have more control over the updates then the OEM. Take the Desire HD and the US version the Inspire. The Desire HD has gotten 2 updates, one for a sercurity issue and one for a Sense version update. While the Inspire got nothing.
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I don't see the point here. I see the sources for "Carrier's devices" on htcdev.com. So it is not a "being open issue". On the other hand, releasing updated sources and pushing updates to devices I think are not the same things.
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Give this a read and feel free to post it or add to it and make HTC hear us!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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Great write up! But the main point I am trying to make a *united* move. So with all the respect, a blog shouldn't be the point to gather up. Having said that a text like your's would constitute the detail of the open letter I am envisioning...
Feel free to use it, the quote in the middle is from toastcfh, the rest is mine. I am fully behind what ever move there is to get HTC to really unlock their phones and give true open source codes. They are putting up a front to developers that they are friendly but the process is so hindered we have to rely on leaks and crazy s-off methods, and even with source you can no longer flash a kernel or boot image with our a pain in the neck. There are plenty of people who want these things and we do need to approach HTC as a community!
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Been spamming them on Twitter already for weeks. Bloody HTC, I hate them now
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There are plenty of people who want these things and we do need to approach HTC as a community!
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That's the spirit we need!
Now I am not %100 knowledgeable about XDA rules. Would it be OK to post a link to this thread to every HTC device Android forum?
I sent a request to HTC regarding their timeframe for releasing the kernel source code for the ATT/Rogers One X. This is,what they said:
"I love customizing my device and I will be glad to advise you regarding the source code for the One X. HTC will typically publish on http://developer.htc.com or htcdev.com the Kernel open source code for recently released devices as soon as possible. HTC will normally publish this within 90 to 120 days. This time frame is within the requirements of the open source community."
Looks like we have a while to go gang! Fortunately we some resourceful folks here that make magic happen with available information!
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90-120 days - is "as soon as possible"??? HTC, you do realize that time frame is 1/4 - 1/3 of the year, right?
IMO the strategy here is by that time a new device will be born and people would forget about old one...
This may be a stretch, but it could also be that they want to give users a time to use the device as is in order to discover any bugs that may be present and would need to be patched in a future update. No one is more adept at finding bugs than users...thousands of them.
Tell them that is a complete lie.
The HTC Sensation received the ICS source code within 15 days of its release. They got the ICS update on the 16th and they received the source code not long after.
Read what I wrote to them
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679112
Hey Guys, we are working on the same issue in the Desire C community. I see you have plenty of custom ROMs, but let me ask if HTC has released the full source for you, and if yes how did happen, what was the process?
Thanks a lot in advance, I'm really curious about your case. Click on my signature if you want to see our email thread
And actually, we are currently sending organised emails to HTC, if you have a couple of minutes free it would be a huge help if you sent some of our templates to them.
Here are the details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40051652
Thank you and see you later!
neoyoli said:
Hey Guys, we are working on the same issue in the Desire C community. I see you have plenty of custom ROMs, but let me ask if HTC has released the full source for you, and if yes how did happen, what was the process?
Thanks a lot in advance, I'm really curious about your case. Click on my signature if you want to see our email thread
And actually, we are currently sending organised emails to HTC, if you have a couple of minutes free it would be a huge help if you sent some of our templates to them.
Here are the details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40051652
Thank you and see you later!
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I believe we have source for all Jelly Bean bases except AT&T.
My guess is that HTC pays no attention to these petitions and letter-writing campaigns.
It's a bit more complicated in our case, since we don't have very experienced devs, and did not even know what was going on with our kernel, and we started to roll the issue up only recently, partly due to the info we got from HTC through our emails. They are more communicative now and the case got escalated, thanks to the community effort
HTC sometimes wait up to 90days(or slightly over) to release source code.
It would be an extremely rare case that after 90 days source is not released.
HTC appear to prioritize source releases based on the sales volume of the device. The more a device sells, the faster its source tends to arrive.
Also similarities in hardware to existing devices also seems to help. The newer never before seen platforms tend to take longer.
High end phones always tend to get more love.
You have source for 4.0(2.xx ROM's), what source are you waiting on?
Has you device received 4.1? If so when? Has it been 90 days yet?
Last I head Desire C will not receive Jelly Bean from HTC due to 512mb RAM. I just checked numerous of the carriers and none show updates for 2.00 ROM's, the 2.00 have source released.
You are right, we ruled out the possibility of the official JB. Although some say it would be even faster, but I'm not expert on this. What I understood so far is even if it is so, they are not doing it because it is an entry-level device. Fair enough (well, given the conditions), we can do it for ourselves.
The problem is the WiFi driver "ath6kl_sdio.ko", it fails to compile with any other ROMs then a Sense-based. It creates the folder but will be empty. However we are trying to patch it atm, and some more experienced devs joined recently.
What we still don't know is, that there might be a problem with the source of which HTC might not even aware of, since they did not test it with custom ROMs, and atm they say (in a credible, non-brush-off manner) the source is full, but escalated the case further. So we are waiting for that as well.
So things just started to cook lately. Actually if you have an experienced kernel dev, it would be a huge help if he could look into our source and tell what is going on with it:good: So that we can communicate it effectively to HTC or maybe even solve the issue directly.
I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS NOT SHUT UP GET NOTHING. ALWAYS BEEN JUST AS I AM CONVINCED THAT WHEN AN INJUSTICE WE MUST FIGHT.
I AM SURE THAT THE UNION IS STRENGTH AND THAT A SINGLE MOVE A STONE, A GROUP MOVE A MOUNTAIN.
I HAVE SENT AN E-MAIL TO HTC, WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WHERE I LAMENT THE PROBABLE FAILURE UPDATE TO THE SENSE 5, EXPLAINING THAT WE HAVE ALSO PAID THE OUR TERMINALS AND ALSO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO UPDATE.
This is the translated text of my email:
HTC EMAIL CONTACT
I kindly news about the release of Android 4.2.2 for HTC Sense 5 One S snapdragon s4.
I would like all users YOUR One S users, have official explanations, in the light of the sun about this update, which apparently will be released one day and the next day not.
We are like other users, such as those that currently have chosen Htc One X and X +, we paid our terminals like the others and most of us choose HTC because fans of the brand and fascinated by your terminal.
We stand out from the crowd, which tends to cause relentless advertising campaigns to follow the fashion and buy competitive products (usually Samsung) but we want to be updated because I think it is our right to be.
We know it is not easy to design an efficient update in a short time, however we have seen that Android 4.2.2 has brought great improvements in performance and battery life in other models like HTC One X One X+. So, why it is impossible to provide it even on HTC One S? The One S has a still recent hardware so it should be fully compatible with Android 4.2.2.
I think I can say without problems, attending various forums where we discuss htc One S in general and in particular, that the majority of users of One S abandon the brand, many say "never again htc, I will turn to other" their for this reason.
I hope I am wrong and I offer my most sincere apologies if there should be the update (and I hope so), but the story of '"update, no update", it creates a lot of discontent and especially begins to tire YOUR users.
Thank you for your attention, I am hoping for your reply, I offer you my greetings.
HTC One S user
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Many users in the One S Android Development section are trying to give us, however, the Sense 5 fully functional.
I am not being able to contribute, but for not to feel useless I decided to give my contribution in this way.
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Sorry for my english, I'm Italian, you can still improve the text to be sent.
Online petition of Change.org
ALL TOGETHER, OK? :good:
great idea man ... we only hope that many people will be sending these requests
Great idea I hope Villec2 get update as well
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great idea man ... we only hope that many people will be sending these requests
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Thanks, many users in the One S Android Development section are trying to give us, however, the Sense 5 fully functional.
I am not being able to contribute, but for not to feel useless I decided to give my contribution in this way.
:good: Great idea my friend ... let us hope a massive participation
I send them email too, and linked them to our online petition to see that we need that update
ivan123 said:
I send them email too, and linked them to our online petition to see that we need that update
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I added the link in the first post of change.org, Thanks:laugh: