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I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.

daftdrew said:
I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.
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To each his own! I completely disagree, I don't understand what you're asking for, 2.3 roms seem good to go and stable as it is. What else do you want done? Also, I for one don't consider it "silly" pre-releases. Even though ICS has yet to be complete it's far better than what GB has been for me. ICS is also the one that needs some work on, hence the crashes and stuff (I don't experience any at all). If GB is working without crashes and is STABLE, what updates are you looking for? If it's working great, then you don't need to update! Although there are some apps which are yet compatible, it doesn't affect users such as myself.

daftdrew said:
I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.
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Considering I haven't experienced a single crash on Baad's InsertCoin ICS ROM, I have no idea what you are talking about. I suppose one could also question why the Windows Mobile and Palm ROM development forums haven't seen much action...what more is there to do to working stable ROMs? Or better yet, why bother

KAwAtA said:
To each his own! I completely disagree, I don't understand what you're asking for, 2.3 roms seem good to go and stable as it is. What else do you want done?
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Speaking for myself, I'd like a stable (i.e. not alpha) release of CM7 for my new Sensation. I agree with the OP, if the CM devs are blocked waiting for HTC to release ICS, why not polish off a stable CM7 release? I'm in the process of pulling down source to see if I can help. I'm an embedded Linux developer during the day, but being new to android development and only having one phone (and a wife and kids), I'm not expecting anything but getting my feet wet by the time ICS comes out on this phone. I'm grateful that CM exists, just wish there was a non-alpha mod for my new phone.

elceedub said:
Speaking for myself, I'd like a stable (i.e. not alpha) release of CM7 for my new Sensation. I agree with the OP, if the CM devs are blocked waiting for HTC to release ICS, why not polish off a stable CM7 release?
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Well I guess they did not want to waste time polishing CM7, where in 1-2 months time, everyone will be expecting them to release CM9 for sensation. Let's say they release a super stable CM7 by the end of Feb, people will be using it for only a month before switching to CM9. Might as well wait for ICS.

forzanetti said:
Well I guess they did not want to waste time polishing CM7, where in 1-2 months time, everyone will be expecting them to release CM9 for sensation. Let's say they release a super stable CM7 by the end of Feb, people will be using it for only a month before switching to CM9. Might as well wait for ICS.
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Speaking for myself again, I'd prefer to use a solid CM7 until CM9 is just as stable. It was more than 1-2 months before CM7 stable enough to put on my MT4G. But I understand it is the culture here to regularly flash new stuff, even if there's no good reason to, and I'm not knocking that, I've done it too. Which is why I'm either returning this phone for a SGS2, or getting to work on my own (wow, 4.5 hours to sync the CM GB repo!).

elceedub said:
Which is why I'm either returning this phone for a SGS2, or getting to work on my own (wow, 4.5 hours to sync the CM GB repo!).
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While waiting for the CM code to sync, I went over to htcdev.com and clicked their comments link to "Tell HTCdev what YOU want". I explained that I would like full source code for my HTC phone like LG and Samsung provide for their phones (at least the diffs from the open source code). I didn't really expect to get it, and was not surprised when the reply was no - they only release the Linux kernel source because they're bound to by license. But it made me realize that I had purchased the wrong phone. So I returned it. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the SGS2 is quite functional and performant out of the box, and the source easily available from Samsung. So long HTC...

When Motorola gets around to releasing ICS for the Atrix 2...

my question thus becomes:
Once we get ICS officially from Motorola (and I'm guessing it'll be Android 4.0.4 and not 4.0.3 or whatever), and Jelly Bean is already floating around, will it be possible to then have some ROMs made or built for JB that will work automagically on the Atrix 2, or will the updated kernel in JB become a big hassle/issue that prevents us from using it at all, barring that nobody will most likely crack that bootloader anytime soon...?
tl;dr version: Once ICS is official for the Atrix 2, can JB ROMs be built and usable or, will the updated kernel and whatever just be yet another wall on this fortress?
I just picked up an Atrix 2 and I find it to be extremely fast and so far pretty much rock solid stable. I rooted it, installed CWM, did a Nandroid backup of the 2.3.6 stock installation for safe keeping and then installed Remus 2.0 and it's just insanely responsive and everything works as expected.
But I just watched the Google I/O keynote to see what all the fuss about JB is about and I can see it's pretty amazing considering it's an incremental upgrade for ICS more than anything else, but the performance improvements are crazy so, I'd hate to think that Motorola would work on JB for us and yet not get around to releasing it till well into 2013 which is just a bit insane.
For such a company, Motorola is so behind the curve it hurts. I do love this device, however, it's utterly fantastic for me and I plan to keep it for some time, but obviously it's more than capable of running ICS/JB from the gitgo - now it's just "ok, when?"
Thanks...

br0adband said:
my question thus becomes:
"ok, when?"
Thanks...
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As per official information - update for ICS - Q3 of 2012 (which actually already started), more precision date - unknown

I don't think you read my post very comprehensively - I didn't nor was I asking if ICS is coming and when it'll be out as we already know that based on Motorola's schedule announcement.
I know ICS is coming, I know it's between July (like, right now) and September (which means between right now and the end of the year given Motorola's somewhat inefficient release schedules of past years.
What I'm asking again is:
When ICS is out, and when I've got it installed on this Atrix 2, is there a possibility that Jelly Bean will be ported over to this Atrix 2 considering they're very similar OSes that most likely will use the same bootloader, or ... ?
In other words, after ICS is available, are we looking at a 2013 release of Jelly Bean for the Atrix 2, if it even happens, or will it be up to talented folk in the developer community to make the best of ICS as given by Motorola?
Hope that's more clear... I don't know how else to ask the question, honestly.

I'm no dev... but I did sleep in a holley day inn last night...
The locked bootloader means that the bootloader can only load the official Moto released kernel. JB will have a new kernel so the only way to get JB is when/if Moto releases it.

That's all I wanted to hear, at least from one other person as a confirmation. Nothing surprising, but somewhat of a disappointment I suppose.
/me kicks Motorola in da shinz, hard... then does it again...

I wouldn't be so sure that it's never going to happen. People have accomplished CM9 and AOKP (both ICS ROMs) on the Razr, Droid 3, and Droid Bionic (all of which atm are still on GB) that uses the GB kernel (and just about all of those ROMs are flashable on the A2, just without a working radio). So there's a good chance that the same thing will happen with ICS to JB, and since it's an incremental upgrade then I think it would be easier to do.

cogeary said:
I wouldn't be so sure that it's never going to happen. People have accomplished CM9 and AOKP (both ICS ROMs) on the Razr, Droid 3, and Droid Bionic (all of which atm are still on GB) that uses the GB kernel (and just about all of those ROMs are flashable on the A2, just without a working radio). So there's a good chance that the same thing will happen with ICS to JB, and since it's an incremental upgrade then I think it would be easier to do.
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Yes, this is true. What most seem to not realize or maybe even know, is that the jump from GB to ICS was huge in the kernel space because honeycomb was completely jumped over and skipped in the phone space. What this means is that all of the upgrades from HC were merged into the ICS kernel, so the jump from Gingerbread to ICS was a huge one. The jump from ICS to JB will be much smaller, and it will have a lot more performance tweaks and increases from ICS. So this should be more doable. The real issue is that we need the ICS kernel first to start looking into JB.

Yeah I intentionally qualified my reply since I'm not familiar with the enhancements that went into the GB, ICS and the JB kernels...
I would have expected that the project butter enhancements in JB would have required significant kernel level changes. I take it that the kernel level work to support project butter happened with the ICS release... and now the UI layer in JB is more or less just leveraging that foundation.

apinkel said:
Yeah I intentionally qualified my reply since I'm not familiar with the enhancements that went into the GB, ICS and the JB kernels...
I would have expected that the project butter enhancements in JB would have required significant kernel level changes. I take it that the kernel level work to support project butter happened with the ICS release... and now the UI layer in JB is more or less just leveraging that foundation.
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No You may have misunderstood, just a little.
The jump to JB from ICS will be smaller.... Than the jump from GB to ICS. Yes there are a going to be some hefty changes for project butter, but only in in the performance and virtual space areas of the kernel, since every thing in the android app space is handled by the jvm, so there are a lot of enhancements to how the virtual space is handled, that is really what project butter does, as well as the changes in kernel to do that. Now Project butter also changes the vsync timings in the OS as well, and I am pretty sure we can port or figure out some of the changes and make some of that up in ICS as well.
We will most likely be able to run JB "ROMS" without ALL the project butter enhancements once we are on ICS, but that will be more than likely not until closer to the end of the year that we will begin to see some ported ROMS for JB that are capable of running on this phone.

It would be nice to see that... I like Moto hardware but the locked bootloader can be a bit of an annoyance.

So with ICS out, is there a better chance of a dev porting Jelly Bean?

So just like the title says, I was wondering with ICS now out is it more possible or likely that we will see a dev port a version of Jelly bean?

This type of speculation really doesn't do any good. ICS has been on devices for less than 2 weeks now. Let's just let it filter out and get widespread before we go on to the Next Big Thing. Developers will do what they do, which is develop. The best way for you to get what you want is to help them by learning how to do work on the device and software.
This community needs more giving back, and less demanding and taking.

Im looking at signing up for some C++ clases so I can start learning to start giving back

KazeOne said:
Im looking at signing up for some C++ clases so I can start learning to start giving back
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I don't really know what that dude's deal was in the other thread. C++ is in no way needed. A firm understanding of how the components of a Linux based operating system work is far more useful. Very few, if any, "devs" in the Android community are doing real, low level, kernel development. The vast majority of work on Android is nothing more than building in modules and rearranging/writing simple scripts.
Basically, start learning why things are like they are. It is flat out amazing to me that it took literally MONTHS to figure out the DHCPCD script was just wrong in the CM9 builds. It blows my mind that this took months, and that's the only reason I am starting to get involved with this device now. I am perfectly happy with stock operations.

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Galaxy S2 might even get jelly bean. If THEY get it I would sure hope we would get it too. But either way all we need is a similar exynos device JB release, oh and source code wouldnt hurt either.
How long has it been since Austia ICS released for 7.7 and 7.0 plus? almost 2 weeks?
does it take that long to add their CSC bloat? perhaps they're going striaght to JB and just gave us the one ICS build they had to tide us over, considering they released it around the same time JB was announced.
we will see.

I think you don't need to worry about Jelly Bean right now. We can consider ourselves already very lucky there's someone working on porting CyanogenMod 9 on this fine tablet.
When CM9 is finished, their devs will start on CM10 (based on JB) right away. They stated the work for this version is not as big as with CM7 --> 9. If the same is valid for porting CM10 to a P62xx, just follow the Cyanogenmod page for updates and you'll be fine.

Is anyone working on a CM10 port?

Is anyone working on a CM10 port?

First things first:
Lets get some working TW roms and kernels first.
And after that I am sure CM10 will come considering we have 2 or more maintainers with notes. So it will come, just patience is key

davidrules7778 said:
First things first:
Lets get some working TW roms and kernels first.
And after that I am sure CM10 will come considering we have 2 or more maintainers with notes. So it will come, just patience is key
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TW roms?
Anyway i cant wait till run CM10 it will really speed up the tablet.

Beukhof1 said:
TW roms?
Anyway i cant wait till run CM10 it will really speed up the tablet.
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TouchWiz Roms.
I'd rather keep touchwiz as it will most likely get rid of the pen capabilities if we move to CM10.

crystalstylez said:
TouchWiz Roms.
I'd rather keep touchwiz as it will most likely get rid of the pen capabilities if we move to CM10.
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This is not true at all, ICS introduced stylus APIs and I'm pretty sure that most stylus apps use those APIs instead of using device specific SDKs like the S Pen SDK. Obviously you'll lose S Note but I think third party apps are probably better for power users.

iofthestorm said:
This is not true at all, ICS introduced stylus APIs and I'm pretty sure that most stylus apps use those APIs instead of using device specific SDKs like the S Pen SDK. Obviously you'll lose S Note but I think third party apps are probably better for power users.
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I 'm more talking about the multiscreen feature and stuff like taking snapshots with it. Im not doubting it will work but we will lose features.

I'm less interested in a rom than I am in a kernel which will allow overclocking.

davidrules7778 said:
First things first:
Lets get some working TW roms and kernels first.
And after that I am sure CM10 will come considering we have 2 or more maintainers with notes. So it will come, just patience is key
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At least two Samsung device maintainers with Notes (well, one with an N8013 in possession, one with an N8000 on order), and I think a few other CM team people have devices too.
However, the Samsung kernel source is slightly jacked up - any kernel built with it seems to have derped wifi that is unreliable as hell. (Either that, or it's a problem with MY setup - no one else has tried to build from source yet it seems.) I really want to try and fix this before I start CM bringup. If I don't succeed by this weekend I'm going to give up on the N8013 source release and hope that the I9300 kernel results in a saner system...

Entropy512 said:
At least two Samsung device maintainers with Notes (well, one with an N8013 in possession, one with an N8000 on order), and I think a few other CM team people have devices too.
However, the Samsung kernel source is slightly jacked up - any kernel built with it seems to have derped wifi that is unreliable as hell. (Either that, or it's a problem with MY setup - no one else has tried to build from source yet it seems.) I really want to try and fix this before I start CM bringup. If I don't succeed by this weekend I'm going to give up on the N8013 source release and hope that the I9300 kernel results in a saner system...
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Awesome cannot wait for CM. I'm missing cm10 a ton having gotten used to it on my prime. Cm10 on the note should absolutely fly because I still think cm10 on the prime is faster than stock on the note

Entropy512 said:
At least two Samsung device maintainers with Notes (well, one with an N8013 in possession, one with an N8000 on order), and I think a few other CM team people have devices too.
However, the Samsung kernel source is slightly jacked up - any kernel built with it seems to have derped wifi that is unreliable as hell. (Either that, or it's a problem with MY setup - no one else has tried to build from source yet it seems.) I really want to try and fix this before I start CM bringup. If I don't succeed by this weekend I'm going to give up on the N8013 source release and hope that the I9300 kernel results in a saner system...
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Quick question: where can I read more about the bringup process/porting CM to a new device? Also, is there any place where you dump your thoughts as you work on things like this (IRC channel, etc). I want to learn because I think I can help. I have pretty good programming and electronics experience. I've built CyanogenMod for several of my devices but of course this was after the port was already completed.
Is this first post more or less accurate? http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/15492-general-cyanogenmod-porting-discussion/
Also, what distinguishes AOSP kernels from stock kernels? On my other Samsung devices I notice there's always a distinction between kernels that work on stock based ROMs vs kernels that work on AOSP ROMs. Which is kind of counter to what that post says, because how would you then boot a generic build with a stock kernel?
Sorry for the random questions, I've just wondered about this for a long time and never really owned a device immediately after it came out so I never got to properly see the bringup process. Thanks for all your work!

I personally really hate the TW roms... i just really like the cleanness of the CM10 roms.

Cm10.1 upgrade to cm10.2 upgrade worthy. ?

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As I understand it there is a difference as in jb 4.1 to 4.2 with 4.2 to 4.3 but seems like so many prob with 4.3. 4.2 I assume is more stable. Some nihmlt kernel work.for 4.3 some don't for 4.2 but what do we want. Don't we want a full featured Aries. Won't Aries cm9 whenever pub released be the same as jb orig plus, without GPS? Seems like GPS.Will.never work.unless there are a few specific ppl assigned that really take it head on to figure something out. So why not.make what would prob be the best version cm for this device.Aries.cm7 and make GPS work Aries if possible. Its the most common sense option. No doubt even herring is great basically same as kj6 but better... but with Mtd and it being Aries with GPS and everything else it would have vest shot for full support.since based on the most inhaled.Kernel of anyone has an idea of.which stage cm7 Aries.Kernel.would be.mod from an existing Aries kernel.or would need rebuild or.not. what I'm asking is. What is the best full featured Aries Rom.we can do. If answer is jb I'll a crept that but not for anything besides jb. Anyone feel what I'm sayin

If you want to pay some people to work on this fulltime, then you can 'assign' them tasks. Otherwise, be happy that our devs who have mostly moved away from using this phone are still giving you updates. In any capacity.

I disagree with OP. just use a BT GPS with CM 10.2. Costs 34$ @ aliexpress incl. delivery. Everything works otherwise.
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