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Sense 3.0 Speed in Sensation vs EVO 3D

I checked the below video from Androidcentral.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMioPBv4PbI&feature=player_embedded
Looks like the EVO 3D got better handling on graphics speed. Is this because of the extra RAM? I just bought sensation and i still see some lag in overall touch and scroll experience. Its not bad but not very good either considering the beast hardware. Hope this can be solved by ROM chefs or by HTC themselves when they release a patch or something...

It is a sexy device ,the speed is pretty good for me I really don't get lag ,the data problems could just be some peoples service area ,but overall I'm loving the phone

sundar_amn said:
I checked the below video from Androidcentral.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMioPBv4PbI&feature=player_embedded
Looks like the EVO 3D got better handling on graphics speed. Is this because of the extra RAM? I just bought sensation and i still see some lag in overall touch and scroll experience. Its not bad but not very good either considering the beast hardware. Hope this can be solved by ROM chefs or by HTC themselves when they release a patch or something...
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Yep there are a number of people experiencing this with the Sensation including me. I'm getting mine exchanged but I have a feeling this is going to be an issue until we get an OTA

I have no doubt that there is much performance to be gained from these devices.

The ram isn't the reason. Probably just coding, I wouldn't worry about it.

For those of you who are familiar with HTC, do updates usually improve the speed and smoothness of the phone? And how about battery?

topkop said:
For those of you who are familiar with HTC, do updates usually improve the speed and smoothness of the phone? And how about battery?
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Yes and yes. Normally.

If they don't the community here certainly will.

I saw that video yesterday and it gave me hope. Like many of you have said, I doubt it's the memory memory that's causing the lag. I'm sure with a few tweaks here and there they can speed up sense 3.0 on this device.

Im really very curious as to what is causing people lag. Mine is butter smooth and currently lag free

madwolf27 said:
Im really very curious as to what is causing people lag. Mine is butter smooth and currently lag free
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Like the Evo 3D on the video?

Who actually cares, though? The phone flies as it is and the next OTA will only improve that. Just enjoy the phone and stop comparing it to everything else

The difference is obvious and I haven't seen any Sensation that smooth on any video.
I'm pretty sure it's not the ram that causes lag. If it was ram Desire S Sense 3.0 port wouldn't have been so smooth like on that video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmiQs2SIKU8

Pretty sure the 1.34.401.1 ROM runs better from what I've heard so the next OTAs to come out will prob address the issue

I'm more than sure the evo 3D is just running a updated version of sense than ours. Stop stressing people.. Sheesh.
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I think its more to do with the screen (panel) and its refreshing rate and rendering speeds. Evo 3D screen might be totally different from sensartion as its a 3D display. I could be wrong and i wish i am wrong. I am hoping for a OTA or custom Rom solve this... still sensation is a better device and i am loving it...

What bloatware does the Evo 3D have loaded onto it? At least those of us on T-Mobile US are stuck with an anti-malware engine that we can't uninstall. It can't be helping.

_kansei_ said:
What bloatware does the Evo 3D have loaded onto it? At least those of us on T-Mobile US are stuck with an anti-malware engine that we can't uninstall. It can't be helping.
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What app is that? ill uninstall it NOW. Yes i'm on TMOUSA.

I don't think it's a RAM issue at all. I think it's one of two issues. Either it's all of the bloatware that starts up automatically every time you try to close it and some of which is not just running in the background. It is running in the foreground such as QIK video chat. I have never even used it before but it constantly want to run in the foreground. The other reason is that Sense 3.0 might not be fully optimized yet.
Here is why I think the bloatware is causing the issues. After I use a app that restarts everything (Fast Reboot) the system will be showing about 300mb of free memory is available. If you wait 30 minutes, the system then says less than 150mb of free memory available. I really do think that some of the bloatware is causing performance issues and memory leaks.
What is also weird is that I have had 4 Sensations with the same exact apps on them. I have noticed a difference in speed between all 4 of them. The one that I have now is the quickest and there is no stutter at all. The second one I had was lagging so bad that I just returned it for another. This tells me it's all software related.

Mine doesn't really lag but I can't get that carousel effect anymore. I've learned that if the phone works well keep it cuz you never know what kind of crappy replacement you might get

Kernels - Question About Reserved Memory

This is a question for devs who know more about kernels than I do. The Infuse 4G and I9000-based phones like the Captivate all have 512MB of RAM, but the Infuse 4G has a lot more of that memory available to the user and applications. I'm guessing that I9000-based phones reserve more of the RAM for specific functionality like video recording and playback.
Now for my question: is it possible to implement an I9000 kernel style of reserved memory in an Infuse kernel? I ask this because the Infuse's RAM management has resulted in unreliability of system functions (particularly video playback) under the testing I've done. In comparison, the Captivate leaves system and stock app functionality rock solid even when the RAM is loaded with background apps.
I'd much rather have ~340MB of user addressable RAM than 428MB if it allows me to watch my 1080p videos without needing to clear the memory every time.

What type of 1080p videos are you watching that's causing instability? I don't think I've ever seen anything like it... even while outputting FHD over HDMI. Then again all my videos are h.264 based.

XGX5309 said:
What type of 1080p videos are you watching that's causing instability? I don't think I've ever seen anything like it... even while outputting FHD over HDMI. Then again all my videos are h.264 based.
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The issue isn't just 1080p. I have a post here that details all the issues. All the files in question are H.264/MKV (excluding the AC3 issue), and they all play without issue on my Captivate (except for 1080p which the Captivate doesn't support): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1292304

strychninetwitch said:
If you're having playback issues, something's wrong with your phone. I'm 100% stock and I never have video playback issues, smooth as hash oil.
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+1 I've had the same issue before, but it was rom related, I switched rom and that problem was no more
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strychninetwitch said:
If you're having playback issues, something's wrong with your phone. I'm 100% stock and I never have video playback issues, smooth as hash oil.
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Go away. I post questions here because this is a developers forum. I expect posters to read and understand my post before replying, unless they need me to clarify something. If I wanted "herp derp works for me lolol" responses I would have gone somewhere else.
SMaximus7 said:
+1 I've had the same issue before, but it was rom related, I switched rom and that problem was no more
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Would you be willing to test sample videos? I don't doubt that some videos play fine on the Infuse: it came preloaded with a 1080p trailer that plays without issues. The real problem is that most of my video library that plays fine on my Captivate has major problems on the Infuse, and this happens regardless of ROM/kernel/video player. And this is not specific to a certain kind of video like 1080p.

Just like video recording, the video playback capabilities of the Rogers libraries might be gimped.
strychninetwitch - go away, you provide no constructive value to these forums. Your first post was flaming us for looking forward to official AT&T Gingerbread because it was a "minor update", yet you keep joining on on threads discussing the various deficiencies of Rogers Gingerbread.

Entropy512 said:
Just like video recording, the video playback capabilities of the Rogers libraries might be gimped.
strychninetwitch - go away, you provide no constructive value to these forums. Your first post was flaming us for looking forward to official AT&T Gingerbread because it was a "minor update", yet you keep joining on on threads discussing the various deficiencies of Rogers Gingerbread.
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The deficiencies in question apply to the stock AT&T ROM's as well. Even though stock AT&T and Froyo have 1080p support (while Rogers doesn't), it still seems to be heavily RAM-dependent for some videos, mostly MKV's of 720p or greater, which isn't the case on the Captivate. When I get the chance, I'm going to compare some of the Captivate/I9000 and Infuse kernel source, but I was hoping for developer input about specifically the memory reservation model.

I thought the infuse had 640mb of ram? I see Wikipedia lists it at 512 now, but I had definitely heard 640 a lot.

araemo said:
I thought the infuse had 640mb of ram? I see Wikipedia lists it at 512 now, but I had definitely heard 640 a lot.
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I've never heard the 640MB figure. That sounds pretty odd for RAM.

GGXtreme said:
I've never heard the 640MB figure. That sounds pretty odd for RAM.
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it is just different advertising. 128 mb video ram
some Verizon adverts shoe the fascinate ad 384 mb ram. 384 + 128 = 512 total ram
the infuse has 512 system ram and another 128 video. I believe one of the kernel devs was able to verify the 640 figure.
infuse advertises system ram. sgs advertises total ram.
though the mod is sloppy and I'm sure not all of it is good maybe look at dynamic rams memory mod. but clean out all the stagfreight and other build.prop garbage. it is easy enough to remove the script if it doesn't work and it seems to resolve some flash playpack issues I had. there are also reports of it making gameplay choppy on the high end gameloft games but it couldn't hurt to try.

Dani897 said:
it is just different advertising. 128 mb video ram
some Verizon adverts shoe the fascinate ad 384 mb ram. 384 + 128 = 512 total ram
the infuse has 512 system ram and another 128 video. I believe one of the kernel devs was able to verify the 640 figure.
infuse advertises system ram. sgs advertises total ram.
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That might be the answer I'm looking for. Although, it doesn't really explain anything. If the Infuse and the I9000 both have 128MB of reserved video memory, then filling up the RAM with background apps shouldn't affect video playback on either device. In reality, it does affect the Infuse's video playback.

GGXtreme said:
That might be the answer I'm looking for. Although, it doesn't really explain anything. If the Infuse and the I9000 both have 128MB of reserved video memory, then filling up the RAM with background apps shouldn't affect video playback on either device. In reality, it does affect the Infuse's video playback.
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I don't know what else sammy did differntly. lets just hope they do better on 2.3.5 when it comes out.
the player still uses system ram. that video ram helps the gpu process opengl and some effects and things. I guess there is hardware acceleration on the video too but that doesn't mean it exclusively uses the video ram. there are other system and app processes involved.. I wish I knew what causes the issues but I don't. and I don't think our kernel devs watch much media and may be unaware of the issue. you are the first to report it and I don't use the videos enough to know fore sure if I have the same problem.

Dani897 said:
I don't know what else sammy did differntly. lets just hope they do better on 2.3.5 when it comes out.
the player still uses system ram. that video ram helps the gpu process opengl and some effects and things. I guess there is hardware acceleration on the video too but that doesn't mean it exclusively uses the video ram. there are other system and app processes involved.. I wish I knew what causes the issues but I don't. and I don't think our kernel devs watch much media and may be unaware of the issue. you are the first to report it and I don't use the videos enough to know fore sure if I have the same problem.
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Hmm. I'm going to post a video demonstrating the issues better, because I'm guessing not many people here use their phone for video enough to understand the issues I'm describing. But whether or not it just affects video playback, it is a system issue and I'm interested in a fix, using the I9000 as reference (since it doesn't have any video playback issues).

hopefully linux bozo or entropy can look at it but i think they are heading in the direction of cm7 development. it would seem to be a kernel issue if even the i9000 ports are doing this.

GGXtreme said:
That might be the answer I'm looking for. Although, it doesn't really explain anything. If the Infuse and the I9000 both have 128MB of reserved video memory, then filling up the RAM with background apps shouldn't affect video playback on either device. In reality, it does affect the Infuse's video playback.
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Get CPUspy and clear the counters before you do your testing.
I'm curious if the infuse properly scales to 1.2Ghz or if it sits at a lower speed. I've been seeing a lot of governor weirdness on mine, but I don't have a reproduceable test case, and it always happens far away from my computer. Then again, I'm running CM7, so the governor might be even weirder than on stock.
But basically, clear the timers, run your testing(try to do this on both the infuse and the i9000), and see if one is sitting mostly in lower-power states when you see the playback issues? I've seen mine loving 200Mhz while I'm actively using it, despite all sorts of interface lagginess and interaction.

Here is a video I made demonstrating the effect of memory usage on video playback on the Infuse:
Edit: Watch it on YouTube so you can see the annotations.
I'm in the process of making another one (when this camera is charged) to show that even the preloaded 1080p trailer lags when the memory starts getting full.
araemo said:
Get CPUspy and clear the counters before you do your testing.
I'm curious if the infuse properly scales to 1.2Ghz or if it sits at a lower speed. I've been seeing a lot of governor weirdness on mine, but I don't have a reproduceable test case, and it always happens far away from my computer. Then again, I'm running CM7, so the governor might be even weirder than on stock.
But basically, clear the timers, run your testing(try to do this on both the infuse and the i9000), and see if one is sitting mostly in lower-power states when you see the playback issues? I've seen mine loving 200Mhz while I'm actively using it, despite all sorts of interface lagginess and interaction.
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I'll give this a try.
strychninetwitch said:
I've the right to post where I please. I'm telling you something is wrong with your phone if you can't play 1080p videos. It's not a memory issue and you very well know that.
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I never said it couldn't play 1080p videos. You didn't read or understand my posts, yet you keep posting. I reported you.

strychninetwitch said:
I've the right to post where I please. I'm telling you something is wrong with your phone if you can't play 1080p videos. It's not a memory issue and you very well know that.
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Get outta here. Grow up too
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Dani897 said:
hopefully linux bozo or entropy can look at it but i think they are heading in the direction of cm7 development. it would seem to be a kernel issue if even the i9000 ports are doing this.
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Could be the video libraries not supporting certain modes.
In the Froyo kernels there were configurable reserved memory sizes in the defconfig. These don't appear to be configurable in Gingerbread.

Dani897 said:
hopefully linux bozo or entropy can look at it but i think they are heading in the direction of cm7 development. it would seem to be a kernel issue if even the i9000 ports are doing this.
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That's what I'm thinking. In Captivate/I9000 kernels, developers could make multiple options that disabled specific features (like 720p video recording) in order to give the user more RAM for apps. I'm wondering if something along those lines (but in reverse) can be done on the Infuse.
araemo said:
Get CPUspy and clear the counters before you do your testing.
I'm curious if the infuse properly scales to 1.2Ghz or if it sits at a lower speed. I've been seeing a lot of governor weirdness on mine, but I don't have a reproduceable test case, and it always happens far away from my computer. Then again, I'm running CM7, so the governor might be even weirder than on stock.
But basically, clear the timers, run your testing(try to do this on both the infuse and the i9000), and see if one is sitting mostly in lower-power states when you see the playback issues? I've seen mine loving 200Mhz while I'm actively using it, despite all sorts of interface lagginess and interaction.
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Just did this. Both phones run at 400MHz when playing 720p content. The CPU doesn't seem to be the issue.

strychninetwitch said:
You know, looking at that video. I think, that perhaps, possibly, somehow, maybe you could press the play button and it would play?
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You know, looking at that video, I think, that perhaps, possibly, you'd notice the video timer is counting and nothing is happening? Or that the second time around, the audio is playing but there's still no video? Or that the third time around, the video is laggy? I reported you again, and now you're going on my ignore list. Goodbye

ICS Video Playback not as good as GB?

Hi, I've noticed with ICS Roms the video playback is very jerky and low quality compared to GB which could play the same video files smoothly. I am talking about a 720p movie but I get the same thing with the recorded videos from the phone's camera.
Any ideas as to why this is and how it can be improved?
I'm currently running Insert Coin 5.1.1, Sensation XE, latest firmware 3.32.
PS I've also noticed the fruit ninja seems kind of pixelated on ICS so i'm guessing it's a general graphics issue with the whole OS.

even i am on the same rom........and i noticed that while playing video the screen gets dim itself even when on full brightness and auto brightness off

Is the force gpu turned on in dev settings? I personally think its equal if not better.. (also talking 720p mkv's)
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I just tried forcing GPU, didn't help much if at all.
I remember watching the same movie when I first got my phone and looking at the quality in awe, now that I'm on ICS I'm disappointed.
Hopefully someone will know how to fix.

itsReggie said:
I just tried forcing GPU, didn't help much if at all.
I remember watching the same movie when I first got my phone and looking at the quality in awe, now that I'm on ICS I'm disappointed.
Hopefully someone will know how to fix.
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Been using VI ICS for a while now and watched a few mins of Cowboys and Aliens and Transformers3 without issues.
For me, I think playback is a bit smoother than GB. Could be a placebo though lol.

I was just browsing around and saw that theres an app called System Tuner that tells you if the second core is running...found out that the second core on my phone was disabled!
I enabled it and success! my video played so smoothly it was beautiful once again
So it's probably a kernel issue rather than ICS issue. (can't remember whether i chose OC Kernel or Stock)

[Q] HTC Sensation Sound Problem

I've got a T-Mobile HTC Sensation 4G with the latest Android Revolution ROM 6.6.2.
After I flashed the ROM the phone last weekend, the phone has horrible sound distortion when playing Gun Bros (lag, crackling, echoes, and distortion). However, this only happens when playing the game with SFX and music both turned on. If I turn either off in the game's settings, the sound is great and its just as it is normally. But the moment I turn on both SFX and music, the sound just starts acting up again.
I have also noticed that the sounds start distorting for some songs I have on my SD card when playing over my car's stereo via Bluetooth. I am suspecting something isn't right with the kernel. I have Boot Manager on my phone, and when I boot into Bulletproof 2.2.1 with that ROM's kernel, my sound works awesome. Something isn't right with Android Revolution ROM. Anyone know where to go and troubleshoot this problem?

ARHD gives you a few options for what kernel you install. Which one are you using? Stock? SebastianFM? Faux? If it only goes bad when playing Gun Bros I would imagine it's not fully working with ICS (like wifi calling, etc). Playing songs from sd issue sounds like an sd tweak not working right, but I personally have never had a perfect experience playing stereo sound from BT with any device.

im also having probs with Gunbros sound although it started when i was on arhd 5.5, im also experiancing mega lag and hangs with gunbros 5.5 was playable but now i have upgraded to 6.6.2 its not playable at all will changing the kernel help ? im currently using faux123, is this a arhd prob or gunbros ??

Maybe a Problem with BeatsAudio ?

Ok after playing about I have solved the freezing and lagging issue with gun bros, I set the min CPU to 600 ( was 323 ) and gun bros played perfect, it seems the system or game won't increase the CPU speed automaticly although this hasn't fixed the sound prob
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using XDA

Seems like the sd card issues and wifi turning on by itself are HTC related. They have released a patch which Mike1986 will likely include in ARHD 6.6.3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24853373&postcount=65628
SD cards weren't properly being recognized (32gig cards showing up as 3 gigs available) and the wifi/mobile network turning on by itself seems to be an HTC bug also (as well as words being misspelled ).
Can't blame Mike1986 or ARHD if the source from HTC is flawed.
If you have to set the cpu clock min to 600mhz to get it to run properly then the os is mistakenly scaling down to the min cpu clock-in your case 323mhz-then it sounds like an issue with the app. I would try the default kernel also and see if the problem persists at default clock speeds/config for Gun Bros. If the problem persists then it's definitely an app issue.
Just out of curiosity, what is the cpu scaling/governor set to? On Demand? Power saver? Performance? The power saver setting may cause the issue you have also. If on demand isn't doing it's job maybe test it at performance.

It was set to on-demand ill have a play with the different scaling options at some point and see what happens
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i am also having such problem

I have tried the stock kernel during install, and I have also flashed both faux123 and the Bricked kernels for ICS. None of the kernels made any difference, the sound was still poor with Gun Bros playback. I am starting to speculate that it may be an ICS issue and not a kernel problem.

[Q]-Video performance

Hello all. I'm a recent convert to the transformer from an HP touchpad. I'm using the stock transformer setup that has been rooted via the one click method. I'm using Kernel-ICS-V21.11-OC1700-fb_607 as my kernel and it's OCed to 1400. I also tried this on 1200 and the stock 1000. I have an app from time warner that lets me watch my stations on the tablet. On my TP, it runs well. It's like looking at HD TV. On the transformer, (skype and groove IP were loaded at the time I admit), the video is choppy. It's like . . a comparison between an onboard video card and a dedicated. I'm also a tad shocked to see at the same OCing, my TP has outscored the transformer on AnTuTu. Shouldn't the transformer be performing better? I don't mind the similar benchmarks but I'm really shocked at the video performance. Is there a ROM I should try that might be better? I'd really like to see the video of the TWC app at least being equal to how it is on my TP.
Would something like the android revo rom with its forced GPU rendering be better? I do admit the TP has chainfire loaded but my transformer does not. Could that be it?

Certainly give a custom rom a try, does the choppy playback happen on apps such as Youtube etc? I'm on Revolver and i haven't had any video playback issues but I cant say i remember playback issues on stock ether

You might also try to flash the new nvidia codecs. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24534878 guevor has a link to it in that thread.
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I'll make a back up and try the nvidia codecs and see how the performance is on something like netflix, YT or crackle.

Well with the new codec, "the set IO to busy under interactive" tweak and increasing the OC up to 1400, my AnTuTu went up about 900 or so. Prior to all the tweaks, I checked YT and Netflix. They ran great. Even after the tweaks, the TWC app still has some stutter especially during motion. I noticed swiping animations seem to be really fast now. It really does seem to be performing well except for this app. I even killed a live wallpaper and some tasks just to see if it was causing issues and it didn't help.

Installed Android Revo as my ROM but sadly, I can't test right now. TWC released a new app so we have to wait for somebody to remove the root checks again.

The android revo ROM (or possibly the updated version from TWC) is now performing as it should. As a matter of fact, it looks beautiful. If anybody lost their ability to use the app due to the new update, check out this thread here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29339067#post29339067
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