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People here are #$#@%^&

Ok I'm a newer member here, but not to hacking and yes I posted a thread yesterday about the HTC reps givin the ok to state that the Thunderbolt would be getting Gingerbread in the 3rd quarter. I only put it up because it was being reported on other forums and maybe just maybe someone would care....
I never expected to be slammed by memebers of this forum for doing so because I only have "4" post. You cant post on the Development board unless you have 10 post???So how does somebody get thier if the put up something and it's slamed all over. I can really understand why all the Devs are RUNNING away from XDA. The personality of this forum is really awfull. I will probably be kicked off here after this and I really don't care thier are numerous forums around and I did post the same thread on a couple other board and not one of then slammed me for doing so and locked the thread. I have gingerbread so I don'r really care when it comes down but it would be nice to have an official rom for the DEVS to work with..
Thanks for the pleasantries XDA

I'm new and I'm nice to everyone.
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I'm new and I'm nice to everyone.
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and you are the exception..(the nice part)...im scared as hell to even post this here..ive been victim of this as well...
while back a leaked radio was (found) then week or so later another radio leak popped up and the file size was different,...simply posted MY THOUGHTS on the file size being different.... and people were calling me mentally ill????....bi polar and manic depression were the claims... if they Are such GREAT psycholigists and can make a diagnosis from a forum post....why are they at home talking **** and NOT HELPING PEOPLE,...way to do your part in this life. with people like that, n wonder the country is such a wreck. but i do have to agree people around this place are F**ked a**holes.
the devs RUNNING is obvious and i think ALOT of newbs are scared and not even wanting to ask for help for fear of being ripped on.
ALOT of people on here just respond crapppy things to people just trying to share some info...well i dont blame them eiher for going somewhere else
bout to delete bookmark for this headache.. good luck to those who dont

Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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I myself posted to your thread and my rant was more towards the news itself. Against the reps and stuff continiously blowing smoke up our a$$. Sorry if you felt it was a personal attach on you as a poster.
I have experience both sides. Some people here are super nice, understand that some are noobs and will go through great lenghts to help you out. Others gets off on bashing people and acting like they are the sh!t when they are probably some techy geek living in their moms basement.

CanesDrew said:
Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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this is exactly what I'm talking about, there isn't much info here anymore they all took it to other sights. I'm pretty laid back personaly but I had to have a say about what I've seen here since March when I got my Thunderbolt..I*'m not complaining just stating facts and it seems that alot of people agree..

CanesDrew said:
Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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I don't remember reading anything anywhere that stated you had the authority to say who can/cannot post here, or whether or not they should "go somewhere else."
The OP makes a good point. What's worse, someone making an observation that might help others think twice before they slam someone, or someone replying to a post with no other motive than to play king and tell someone s/he is stupid and telling s/he to go somewhere else?
It's pretty obvious which is the more mature of the two methods.
There have been times where I thought someone's information was lacking credibility. I've asked questions, but haven't taken cheap shots. What's the point?
Joel

Exactly why Team Bamf left...I haven't checked these forums since Bamf left and this is one of the first things I see! Another reason why Bamf will always be the best, with the best Devs, Themers, Contributors, members, etc! Glad to be a member of such a great team of devs and themers! Bunch of uncivilized people on here that don't know how to act. Unbelievable...Everyone needs to drop whatever they're on and get Bamf'd. Getting ready for a sick rom drop...(I know b/c I've tested it, themed it, and played with it!)

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Exactly why Team Bamf left...I haven't checked these forums since Bamf left and this is one of the first things I see! Another reason why Bamf will always be the best, with the best Devs, Themers, Contributors, members, etc! Glad to be a member of such a great team of devs and themers! Bunch of uncivilized people on here that don't know how to act. Unbelievable...Everyone needs to drop whatever they're on and get Bamf'd. Getting ready for a sick rom drop...(I know b/c I've tested it, themed it, and played with it!)
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Then why are you back, besides dudes other thread got locked.
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Then why are you back, besides dudes other thread got locked.
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Uh, just wanted to see what was new on here; don't need to be ignorant, people need to learn to be civil and quit acting like a bunch of 5 year olds.

This thread seems fun.

CanesDrew said:
Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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What do you mean....'you people'?

I have seen some extremely helpful people on here thats why i come here. I do go to other forums for some things because thats where the dev's for certain things went. Some people have been treated very unfairly on this forum and no it shouldn't be like that. Personally I have had people say stupid stuff to me but in the end ya gotta realize with this many people on here there are bound to be those with no social skills at all who's intellectual capacity goes just below the Waterboy. Block em, bleep em or beat em with your own wit. I realize that being on any forum and in fact just being on the internet means there are those who take on internet personas of being the baddest dude in the world. Fuhgeddaboutit. If thats what a person has to do to make themselves feel better i make my comments then i talk around them. Or I'll let them know their comments mean less to me than what i clean off my shoes after mowing the lawn..(stupid neighbor dog grr)
"Can't we all just get along?" No, probably not.
To the douchebags out there who find time to bash people who post here............pfltttttttttttt. Go climb a mountain empty your worldly frustrations then come back, grab a latte, and lets chat.
That's my two cents.

I agree with the OP. I frequent completely different sets of threads and it's the same everywhere. Why take the time to post something negative? Why? As much as people complain about contributing to the community, flaming posts certainly do not . Oh well, when something such as the internet exists, some people will use that avenue to be abrasively rude and inconsiderate. Etiquette applies in all social interaction situations, not just in person .

XRSTOY1 said:
Ok I'm a newer member here, but not to hacking and yes I posted a thread yesterday about the HTC reps givin the ok to state that the Thunderbolt would be getting Gingerbread in the 3rd quarter. I only put it up because it was being reported on other forums and maybe just maybe someone would care....
I never expected to be slammed by memebers of this forum for doing so because I only have "4" post. You cant post on the Development board unless you have 10 post???So how does somebody get thier if the put up something and it's slamed all over. I can really understand why all the Devs are RUNNING away from XDA. The personality of this forum is really awfull. I will probably be kicked off here after this and I really don't care thier are numerous forums around and I did post the same thread on a couple other board and not one of then slammed me for doing so and locked the thread. I have gingerbread so I don'r really care when it comes down but it would be nice to have an official rom for the DEVS to work with..
Thanks for the pleasantries XDA
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Ya know, its not so much we just wanna beat on a guy. It's that SO MANY threads have been started. Last time the gullible fool even posted a link to a pic to the absolute fakest looking "corporate memo" I'd ever seen. A lot of people were lapping that crap up and I called them idiots then. Some people actually believed a Verizon rep posted in this forum earlier this week too. Uh.... No, that didn't happen either. Between threads like "Verizon says gingerbread is coming!" threads and the horribly mangled English so often used, I'm beginning to think forums in general are magnets for the least intelligent forms of life walking upright. It's not just Android forums. It's forums on just about every subject imaginable. I think its because nobody ever calls someone stupid when they say something really stupid. A great way to flush your credibility down the toilet is to post a thread like you did. XDA is XDA because they tend to hold themselves to a higher standard. Go look at most other android forums. Most of the development threads are copy and pastes of XDA threads. That's not changing. I'm gonna ask real nice that you please think real hard about what you post here. Maybe check to see how many threads exactly like your proposed thread already exist. Lots of people post questions and comments all the time to good reception. It really is just the foolish nature of your subject matter.

Simba501 said:
I agree with the OP. I frequent completely different sets of threads and it's the same everywhere. Why take the time to post something negative? Why? As much as people complain about contributing to the community, flaming posts certainly do not . Oh well, when something such as the internet exists, some people will use that avenue to be abrasively rude and inconsiderate. Etiquette applies in all social interaction situations, not just in person .
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I don't jack people off with their own ass-backwards ideas just to get along. I don't say anything here I wouldn't say to your face. Not all ideas are valid and worthy of equal consideration. Stupid NEEDS to be called stupid and made fun of. I'd like to live in a world where when stupid people spoke they got laughed out of the room. I can hardly believe people buy some of the insanity and lies they're sold most of the time.

I'm new to posting myself... I've been waiting in the weeds for sometime now, reading the thread for Synergy ROM for a long time. I've got only 4 or 5 posts as well. So far, I haven't had any bad reactions to posts, PM's or even contacting one of the Devs on G+ for the only issue I couldn't manage to figure out on my own.

To the OP:
Try to remember where you are when you post. You are in a forum that is populated with many experienced, sharp people, who know a great deal about this platform. Those that are the MOST knowledgeable typically don't even post. It's those who *think* they know a lot who do. Sadly, uninformed questions do not simply get ignored. Think of it as walking into a medical convention and asking a large population of surgeons why anesthesia is necessary during surgery. They expect that you know some minimal facts before asking a question.
Sadly, these same intelligent people browse the General and QandA sections for posts such as yours to flame you for no reason. Not everyone here is that way, but clearly there are many.
I lurked here for a year, before ever signing up and posting anything simply because it was clear some knowlege is necessary to root, mod, theme and customize your phone. And it was clear that many of my questions had already been answered simply by looking.
Don't get discouraged, read, then read some more. There is a lot to learn, but most of it isn't that hard. And don't pay any attention to the negativity - it only feeds the problem.
courtesy of my rooted bolt

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What do you mean....'you people'?
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hahahahahaha! i also like the "this thread seems fun" post
after many frustrations in a day i need threads and posts like this to give me a chuckle. thanks guys!
as for a real opinion:
I'd rather have a beer

It's the moderation. There will always be assholes on popular forums. It's up to the moderators to weed out the jerks. Only way.

[Q] Housekeeping

This is just a suggestion for all the developers that are established within this forum. Alright every time a new Rom, Kernel, or Tweak etc. is released the development forums get cluttered up with a bunch of ( lets face it guys ) useless information, questions ( which generally don't belong here ), and unnecessary thank you's. THERE IS A BUTTON FOR THAT! Anyways back to my original idea maybe these DEVS can pick a group of knowledgeable members to use as their testers to find bugs and issues before release to public. I know your excited to be finished ( you thought ) and want to share it with everyone, but think of these testers of your very own R & D team. By doing this most of the bugs can be resolved before public release therefore resulting in far less clutter about fix this or this don't work blah blah blah. I personally think this would result in much neater more organized threads that are more appealing to read through. I hate when i see a thread of interest and BAM over 100 replies thats alot of pages to go through. I also think this would make the moderators happier also. What do you guys think?
PS if you guys like what i have to say then HIT THE THANKS BUTTON don't post saying thanks no need to clutter up any thread.

I have been saying this same idea for some time now. I don't want credit for it, maybe others suggested it too before me. But still, you are the one that came up with this thread so like me I know there are some others that support this idea.
I remember back in the Froyo days when there wasn't that much trouble. I remember when a developer tested one of the ROM with the members that donated to the project first and then released it to the public. Also, I remember developers getting the phone either with them paying for it or getting donations so there was practically no need for users to test the alpha, beta, charlie, delta... releases. Also, I remember when Whitehawk decided to stop releasing ROM when we were getting many source leaks and then he came up with the Valhalla Final. We didn't have lot of controversy. Soooo it came to my mind that the trick for this was to have a controlled tester group.
It's simple, as you said, the testers would be chosen among the most savvy users that know how to report logs and then when the project became final it was released so there was no need for reports and requests with exception of maybe one or two more releases if something came up. This would have eased the pain of developers for releasing ten builds in a week and getting hundreds of useless replies and mainly would have avoided the drama and fireworks. Right now the forums seems to be under control thanks to the new moderator. But for me, and you, this is the very best idea I could think of.
Thanks for doing this. Hopefully other will be supportive too.

We do get testers in IRC. Most of the people in there lurk thoughk. When I have asked for someone to test before, no one really does. If you want to take an active stance you need to go where your devs are talking. Team Acid tends to be on #teamnerd all the time.

Also. Why not just take the time to read. Useless posts I don't think there are many useless posts. We all have different opinions and ways of understanding things and some of the posts that have helped me out over the year fit in to your definition of being useless. Also there is a thank you button but what kind of world is there where someone can't take the time to write a meaningful personalized message thanking the dev. Even if it literally says thank you it took more effort than clicking a button. We have a gift to read and share knowledge praise thanks and I like seeing the different forms if gratitude and I think the devs should think of it as being respectful and gratious. Also do we really need a thread complaining. Just be happy. And relax. Its a great day and age we live in. And threads aren't that drastically cluttered and as fb said you really want to help?? Join the irc and Google **** send logs. Not ***** about thank yous and small jokes. Relax and enjoy the forums. Its entertainment or else no one would be here.
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I agree with using a group of testers to help provide logs and such on builds. However I dont think, and this is just my opinion, that testers should have to idle in irc to get those builds. Because Im sure there are several people that could help but dont or cant idle there because of family, work, or school. I have seen erikmm mention a user or two using his builds before release. That is very good.
I also believe if a dev gets frustrated at a question being asked over and over again use the report button and ignore it. That applies to everybody if you see a question asked a second, third or more times report it. However answer the question if you can. Ask the mod to move it to a q&a thread. A general thread to move those is lumins stickied stupid questions thread. Maybe we can get sixstringsg to chime in on this. I know it aggravating to see these questions over and over but sometimes just answering them and asking to have the question moved is the better option then refuse and say use search. If you feel its spoon feeding or whatever remember somebody had to answer the question at some point. Not everybody has google-fu skills to find the right answers and simply answering saves so much frustrations on everybody.
TL;DR?
Extend the test build outside of irc because not everybody can idle in irc.
Questions that frustrate need to be reported.
If you can answer that question maybe do so and ask to get it moved.
Lumin's stupid question thread would be a great landing point if a thread isnt available.
sixstringsg maybe chime in regarding moving these posts instead of deleting them.

. Also there is a thank you button but what kind of world is there where someone can't take the time to write a meaningful personalized message thanking the dev. Even if it literally says thank you it took more effort than clicking a button. We have a gift to read and share knowledge praise thanks and I like seeing the different forms if gratitude and I think the devs should think of it as being respectful and gratious.
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Look I really totally agree with you about comment being better than pressing a button, I even wrote a thread about it. But the moderators deleted it not move it or give me a warning just gone, and it was not even ignorant. I made suggestion to make a special section for this like q and a for each rom.
Also I do a great deal of reading on here I don't have a problem reading and learning something new but look at it from a newbies perspective, ahhhhh way to much to read where are the files ill just flash its easy right hence leading to USELESS POSTS. I know this don't mean all people some do read.
Also as far as IRC I've been there don't understand half of what is discussed but testing from there will just bring leacheers and clutter another thread so to speak.
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Asking dev's to test builds is something most of them do already anyway. You get a build to a stage where you can release it. Then you hope that people find the small bugs you missed and give you logs so you can track them down and fix them. That is the whole idea behind this site. The problem doesn't lie with the devs it lies with the users. The ones who don't read, mess something up, then come crying to the dev thread either wanting help or blaming the dev for putting out a non perfect product. Look at whites thread for Valhalla. He releases it as a final and their are still 17 pages of pretty useless questions in the DEV section. That's the problem. We've all seen it. Tommy the Newb frantically posting everywhere so he can get to the magic number ten which allows him to post in the dev section. Then he posts some useless bit of already answered drivel. Look at how may times Erik and I have already had to ask people in the MiUI thread to use Q&A. Dev sections should be for just that development. Sorry but how do I put swype back on is not development. So asking the devs to fix the problem is putting the cart before the horse. How about we educate the users a little and if that doesn't work report the posts that need to go or get moved. Or you can just do what I've done and get used to people posting useless drivel and learn to speed read.

Every point you make hecheon I can counter. However If I do it will turn this thread into something its not intended to be.
This quote sums up this device community.
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Don't piss off the devs!
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@Hechoen I by no means putting any blame on any development, I agree it is the users that clog up threads. But if you really think about it we are all Hippocrates we tell people where to post stuff in appropriate section but they continue posting q in wrong sec and then someone usually a senior member will post In the same wrong sec resulting in double useless info about the rom. And then mod will post I have moved your thread to correct forum creating another post in Wrong sec I think you guys can understand what I mean.
Maybe to make it alot simpler when a dev releases a project they should lock it instantly resulting in members to post in correct sec.
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Maybe to make it alot simpler when a dev releases a project they should lock it instantly resulting in members to post in correct sec.
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Github bugreports is awesome.

Bhundven is doing just what I said with his new aosp rom even though there are no files to download yet. Then when bugs are cleared thread could be unlocked
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@Hechoen I by no means putting any blame on any development, I agree it is the users that clog up threads. But if you really think about it we are all Hippocrates we tell people where to post stuff in appropriate section but they continue posting q in wrong sec and then someone usually a senior member will post In the same wrong sec resulting in double useless info about the rom. And then mod will post I have moved your thread to correct forum creating another post in Wrong sec I think you guys can understand what I mean.
Maybe to make it alot simpler when a dev releases a project they should lock it instantly resulting in members to post in correct sec.
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What we're really looking at here is a way to make the forums cleaner. I am just as guilty as any one else as far as posting things where I might have been able to post elsewhere. I try not to but sometimes when answering a question I add to that post count of the thread. I didn't men to insinuate that you where blaming the devs at all. Only pointing out that the ROM's that are released are pretty stable for the most part. If we all start to adopt the idea of posting logs in dev threads and questions in Q&A that would be the first step in keeping things a little easier to follow. The thing is there is no simple answer. People will continue to do what they want and we will have to just put up with it. If we all try to do are part maybe slowly we can change things.
Here's a thread that kinda goes through the how to control the useless posts idea. Pages 1 and 2 are pretty entertaining. It's from December. lol
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1375331&highlight=people

I don't chime in much on things around here but I really want to tell you all that I greatly appreciate the fact that this is a discussion and not what everything else seems to turn into. I think it shows that we are, indeed, a community of people that care about our phones, the development that some really good people spend their time doing, helping each other, helping the new folks, and we care about the community in which we communicate.
It's good to see people caring about what goes on around here. That alone is what made me feel the need to write.
I can't say what the best way is going forward with keeping the dev area cleaner. Each dev is a different person and we're in an open community so I don't know that trying to "lock-down" how it's done will work. Wrapping a development life cycle approach is a good idea but I don't know how effective it can be in a non-corporate environment. I do, personally, like the idea of a small team of testers. I'd like to be one of them but I also realize that my work and personal life interferes with how much I can contribute. Ask FB, he waited a month or so for me to help develop an update to the GB Starter Pack and I never got it done. I love helping the community but I falter, too
I do believe the dev threads should be kept to clicking "Thanks" (PM the Dev if you want to write that heartfelt note/letter), log files, and bug reports. As others have pointed out, though, we can't stop people from doing whatever they want to do. We can encourage, we can point out (Hey, this doesn't belong here), but at the end of the day we can only control our own behaviors.
I want to reiterate my thank you to all of the community here. I'm glad to see we're coalescing & gelling to make this a better place. I'll help with that in any way I can.
Thanks again - Steve

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I do believe the dev threads should be kept to clicking "Thanks" (PM the Dev if you want to write that heartfelt note/letter), log files, and bug reports. As others have pointed out, though, we can't stop people from doing whatever they want to do. We can encourage, we can point out (Hey, this doesn't belong here), but at the end of the day we can only control our own behaviors.
Thanks again - Steve
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Steven that is a very good point. We cant control others. But we can control what is posted. The report button works wonders. Instead of just posting telling people this doesnt belong here and leaving it at that, point them to the proper thread/subforum. I dont mean just tell them to post in q&a or themes link to that sub-forum. Then report both your post and the post your answering and ask the mod to move it to the proper thread/forum. Help the mods out so they arent spending more time fixing/moving and can enjoy the site as well.
I dont mean to blame the devs for everything that is wrong. I agree a portion of this is the non-dev community is responsible for. I want to quote something from the do you wanna be a dev page.
A Recognized Developer is a user on XDA, with a history of producing cutting edge work, and doing so in a mature and respectful manner, co-operating with others, and generally setting a good example with regard to adherence to open source licenses and other legal concerns.
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IMO that puts a lot more responsibility on devs than they realize. I know people have bad days and all it takes is a simple comment to set you off. Ive been there many times. But as a RD and a possible RD you are the face of xda. If somebody comes here and sees RD under your name they think man xda thinks this guy/gal is the bees knees. Then they see this RD being rude or whatever it taints their idea of xda.
Regular members have so many faces. We can also make a opinion of xda based on how we treat the new members. We dont carry as much "weight" in this until a RD jumps in and partakes in the razzing of the noob. Once a RD does this people think man this guy is a jerk and so is this community.
In the end everybody here offers some sort of support, be it endless posts helping a new person, somebody offering ideas to help clean the forums and make them organized, or a RD or RD IT releasing roms. We are a community here. Every single one of us. It is up to us to fix what is broken. The mods can only do so much. By blaming one group or the other only keeps a line divided in the sand. The devs and members need to work together and make this place pleasant.

well im new here but my brother develops roms on xda so this seems like a good thread on paper but i just download it the miui rom and i love it even though it's not final since it has bugs i don't care I mean i love trying the new roms that are released whether they are alpha or beta or final. I think if we have to wait for a final rom(i searched thru dev section) we would of had to wait til Valhalla final then Valhalla Black final and to be honest to wait from march to like november for a rom would of been hell lol my opinion, that is all...

You guys are killing me with this thread.
This forum is working because we a have mod that isn't afraid to use the ban hammer.
Devs using testers? um to an extent they already do.
I personally don't think a non dev has any business telling a dev how to pursue their enthusiasm.
And lastly, you are preaching to the wind the people who need to see this won't because reading is fundamental and that's to much to ask or they do but they disregard because it's one post and they really need blah blah!

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I have to admit that this is actually one of the more useful things you guys can do, if you ARE going to be willing to help. Airfluip mentioned the camcorder bug in CM7 the other day, and Bryan said he had forgotten about it, so I opened a bug report for it. I hadn't used the issue (bug report) capability in github before, but I'm going to start using it more extensively because it's a good way to keep track of what's gotten fixed and what needs to be fixed, rather than having to wade through all the posts on XDA, so I recommend you do this to help us out with any of the projects we have since they're all linked to github from their respective threads.

Ok thanks for all your input guys even though nothing has changed I figured that if I cant develop anything atleast I can contribute in other ways by atleast making suggestions of ways to inprove our site. Trolls are trolls they come in and make us clog up everything must have a chip on their shoulder or a mod rubbed them the wrong way or maybe they are just a luttle kid wanting his voice hward in every post he can. Matbe we should blame the education system for just passing kids and not teaching them to read. Also the younger generation along with others are just too impatient. Alright im done ranting about nothing keep up the good work guys
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lol eh idk about roms having to be final to be released because sometimes test groups get busy with life or dev gets busy but won't write more about it cus don't wanna sound like i disagree just think it'll cause probs because everyone has a life outside of xda. Well I'll just leave you guys with this pic of an unfinalized rom i wish i could release
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Um i did not mean a final before release just a rom with most common bugs found before first release. I still like my second post its much easier and noone gets offended. When a dev releases something put in link and directions and lock thread
link can still be accessed when post is locked and maybe unlock once final is released this would force people to post in proper section hence more cleaner threads. Just look at your SCOM thread over 55 pages. I think i will close this since noone can agree to try change.
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Atrix 2 could get unlocked bootloader

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...e-a-way-to-unlock-to-those-who-wish-to-do-so/
The last comment seems to suggest Moto could be following in HTC's footsteps. Sorry if I posted in the wrong section. Just seems like the best news we have gotten in regards to our atrix 2
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Seems like you are blind.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1764700
When will people learn to use forums.

When will people stop being pricks and show some common respect?
The guy was trying to be helpful.
*waits for the "I'm tired of noobs who don't search, read rules, and so on responses and all the others.*
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DarrellRaines said:
When will people stop being pricks and show some common respect?
The guy was trying to be helpful.
*waits for the "I'm tired of noobs who don't search, read rules, and so on responses and all the others.*
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He posted this in the wrong forum. How does this even have anything to do Development on the Atrix 2?
The answer, it doesn't.
I know that myself and the other devs in here, are so tired of people who don't follow the rules and make idiot posts, and you go and stick up for another one of these dumb posts.... you can go join him in the banned category.
Please learn how to search there are several posts in the last 24 hours about this.

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He posted this in the wrong forum. How does this even have anything to do Development on the Atrix 2?
The answer, it doesn't.
I know that myself and the other devs in here, are so tired of people who don't follow the rules and make idiot posts, and you go and stick up for another one of these dumb posts.... you can go join him in the banned category.
Please learn how to search there are several posts in the last 24 hours about this.
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Look, I am Kind of in the middle here. It does piss me off big time when people do this, but I understand. Do you remember the **** storm that came when we had the first ICS leak? there were like 50 posts ad 100s in one topic repeating things.
My point is that sometimes people do just get excited and forget to read. I do get mad, but I have some forgiveness if they admit their wrongness and delete it.
I know XDA is about the developers, but none of us started that way. Most of us learned from this forum, we started as n00bs. I remember the first time I softbricked my phone, and freaked out. I spent hours researching how to get it back. Now I could do it in my sleep (and sort of have).
I certainly am not at your level yet, but I do know what I am doing a lot more than I did 709 posts and 225 thanks ago. I originally thought to myself "how am I ever going to get 10 posts" when I was trying to post in the dev section.
Let people know when they are being dumb, but have some forgiveness as long as they realize it and fix it.

Sorry for posting this, I usually just check the Development section. I thought it was noteworthy, would be happy to delete this to clean up the Development section if someone can tell me how. I have been a XDA member for a long time but I rarely post, so I am not sure how to delete the thread if it is even possible. Hopefully this does mean good news for us Atrix 2 owners if Motorola decides to start unlocking program like HTC.

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Look, I am Kind of in the middle here. It does piss me off big time when people do this, but I understand. Do you remember the **** storm that came when we had the first ICS leak? there were like 50 posts ad 100s in one topic repeating things.
My point is that sometimes people do just get excited and forget to read. I do get mad, but I have some forgiveness if they admit their wrongness and delete it.
I know XDA is about the developers, but none of us started that way. Most of us learned from this forum, we started as n00bs. I remember the first time I softbricked my phone, and freaked out. I spent hours researching how to get it back. Now I could do it in my sleep (and sort of have).
I certainly am not at your level yet, but I do know what I am doing a lot more than I did 709 posts and 225 thanks ago. I originally thought to myself "how am I ever going to get 10 posts" when I was trying to post in the dev section.
Let people know when they are being dumb, but have some forgiveness as long as they realize it and fix it.
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I totally agree. It is not the OP that I am getting on here, it is DarrellRaines... he is not a noob, obviously from is post count, so he should know the rules better.

lkrasner said:
Look, I am Kind of in the middle here. It does piss me off big time when people do this, but I understand. Do you remember the **** storm that came when we had the first ICS leak? there were like 50 posts ad 100s in one topic repeating things.
My point is that sometimes people do just get excited and forget to read. I do get mad, but I have some forgiveness if they admit their wrongness and delete it.
I know XDA is about the developers, but none of us started that way. Most of us learned from this forum, we started as n00bs. I remember the first time I softbricked my phone, and freaked out. I spent hours researching how to get it back. Now I could do it in my sleep (and sort of have).
I certainly am not at your level yet, but I do know what I am doing a lot more than I did 709 posts and 225 thanks ago. I originally thought to myself "how am I ever going to get 10 posts" when I was trying to post in the dev section.
Let people know when they are being dumb, but have some forgiveness as long as they realize it and fix it.
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Exactly! Why banish the noob who is trying to learn. Or just does not know. The whole point to this website is a community of devs, phone enthusiasts, and geeks.
I actually find it quite rude. Maybe if this post was fake. Or maybe it linked you to a rick roll ....whatever then I would laugh and be annoyed.
All I'm saying is that this person was trying to help. They posted something of value that some of us had no knowledge of.
Just my 2 cents.
Hit the thanks button if I helped or if I just made you laugh!!!

Actually an unlocked boot loader has a fair amount of something to do with the dev section but hey what do I know. I'm just the guy tired of people being dicks and pricks to people who screw up.
Thanks for not letting me down on the posts. Albeit I was expecting more...I don't know...maybe just more.
My point is instead of insulting the guy by calling him blind, he could have been decent and simply stated it had been posted and just say please check.
Its a common theme here. As soon as someone has their own rom they tend to become raging pricks and think they own the dev section. I could be just seeing things one way but its seems to be how things have been lately.
Now if the mods feel I should be banned for calling people out on being less than nice, oh well. There are worse things in the world than being kicked off a forum for 24 hours. I'd say being rude to a guy trying to be helpful would be one but u digress.
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A common theme in here is that people don't read before posting. We are cluttered with the same bootloader, cm9 and ics posts on a daily basis.
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A common theme in here is that people don't read before posting. We are cluttered with the same bootloader, cm9 and ics posts on a daily basis.
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I won't argue that. Its annoying to say the least, but we shouldn't expect everyone to magically follow the rules and be rude to people. People can disagree and hate me all they want, but being rude and callous has never once helped a situation.
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Man...even just the browser. Google. Bing that ****, whatever. Way easier anyway right? I'm sure that's how most of us started reading up on androids and rooting. Rules are given to you in the begining to read for a reason. I know most people don't read that cuz they think it's bull**** or whatever. But it is what it is...rules are rules. Just like laws...sure you can break em n get away with it here n there or minor infractions. But get the wrong Mod up in here n you can kiss your ass goodbye on a lil vacation. I know this from expeirence in other Forums. It's cool to give out news but do it in the right spot, or just reply to a thread already made. Posting a new thread should be a last resort if you cannot find your topic anywhere! Whatever, dude made a mistake. First reply could've been a little more humble about it and informative I guess. And OP should have searched before posting. Let's delete and move on...Don't make em walk the plank...we all family here right? Hahahaha.
Edit: and post #3 should know better too man. Come at dude in a better way. Like Jim said, That flaming stuff makes you look bad on the forums n no one will wanna help you out in the future. It's cool man, mistakes are made. We're not perfect.

DarrellRaines said:
Actually an unlocked boot loader has a fair amount of something to do with the dev section but hey what do I know. I'm just the guy tired of people being dicks and pricks to people who screw up.
Thanks for not letting me down on the posts. Albeit I was expecting more...I don't know...maybe just more.
My point is instead of insulting the guy by calling him blind, he could have been decent and simply stated it had been posted and just say please check.
Its a common theme here. As soon as someone has their own rom they tend to become raging pricks and think they own the dev section. I could be just seeing things one way but its seems to be how things have been lately.
Now if the mods feel I should be banned for calling people out on being less than nice, oh well. There are worse things in the world than being kicked off a forum for 24 hours. I'd say being rude to a guy trying to be helpful would be one but u digress.
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In a way you right that an unlocked bootloader should have something to do with dev work, but again the rules state that ONLY your own work goes into the dev section. Not Q&A or posts that have some information about an unlocked bootloader, or even a ROM from another phone you want a dev to port. All of those things belong in the General section.
The reason I get frustrated is because I give my time and effort and a whole lot of my non-working time, freely I might add, to dev work here on XDA, so when there is little respect shown to the rules, that also shows little respect to the developers in here. I will have to say that your post was way worse than the OPs mistake, because you also showed little respect for the developers on here. and your last post showed even less respect for our devs in here.
And yes I will totally admit that the guy calling the OP blind was uncalled for, but again by doing what you have done shows little respect to our dev community and that makes me not want to read your posts or help you out if you get in a bind.

DarrellRaines said:
When will people stop being pricks and show some common respect?
The guy was trying to be helpful.
*waits for the "I'm tired of noobs who don't search, read rules, and so on responses and all the others.*
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I am with you. How about we simply say- "Hey thanks for posting this. It does belong elsewhere. Let me help you..."

iraqmilner said:
I am with you. How about we simply say- "Hey thanks for posting this. It does belong elsewhere. Let me help you..."
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Just PM the Guy and take it offline, no need to reply to a bad thread. These things blow up so fast it is not even funny.

jimbridgman said:
In a way you right that an unlocked bootloader should have something to do with dev work, but again the rules state that ONLY your own work goes into the dev section. Not Q&A or posts that have some information about an unlocked bootloader, or even a ROM from another phone you want a dev to port. All of those things belong in the General section.
The reason I get frustrated is because I give my time and effort and a whole lot of my non-working time, freely I might add, to dev work here on XDA, so when there is little respect shown to the rules, that also shows little respect to the developers in here. I will have to say that your post was way worse than the OPs mistake, because you also showed little respect for the developers on here. and your last post showed even less respect for our devs in here.
And yes I will totally admit that the guy calling the OP blind was uncalled for, but again by doing what you have done shows little respect to our dev community and that makes me not want to read your posts or help you out if you get in a bind.
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Jim for the record you are one of the few that I actually like. That said you are doing exactly what I was talking about. You don't need to pat yourself on the back or tell us who you are and what you do. We know already. We've all been here long enough to know your contributions.
Again people can hate me, but I have to speak my mind when I have something to say. Its who I am. You can call it as you see it just as I did with the first response.
If anyone feels I don't contribute, so be it. If they don't want to help me, so be it. I'm a big boy and can manage to figure it out. I'm still going to speak my mind. I wouldn't begrudge anyone for doing it as long as they dont insult people...well at least insult them with a little class.
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I might have been harsh but this forum is getting bloated everyday by dupe posts n irrelevant questions that have already been answered N number of times.And for a person posting n following bootloader news and checking atrix2 section for development it aint that hard to check other and new posts.How many times has everyone said here that please look before you repost please use search..Had OP done a little search on the topic he would have got the result.Forget about that even while making a new thread if your topic name is same XDA throws up search result, Still people go on making same topic threads again for what ? just to gain posts ? This is not the way someone behaves on forum.Forums have rules and they are meant to be followed.But people don't and look at our forum its so much bloated had everyone followed atleast one rule of searching or looking out there would have been loads of less threads.Also do people really think that posting a topic 1-2 days after its originally posted somewhere is really smart ? Come on this is not your group of friends its INTERNET and it includes people over the world and people who are much smarter than me you or anyone.Accept it.So just give a thought you dont even have to do mathematics,simple logic says that someone would have already posted it,could have search just for sake of that..But again who cares some break rules some take the sides of those who break rules.Can't help and the post like what i made comes out of frustration and losing patience.
PS : A video from XDA for all those who think rules are flexible and taken for granted and there is always a first time :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
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Archmag3 said:
I might have been harsh but this forum is getting bloated everyday by dupe posts n irrelevant questions that have already been answered N number of times.And for a person posting n following bootloader news and checking atrix2 section for development it aint that hard to check other and new posts.How many times has everyone said here that please look before you repost please use search..Had OP done a little search on the topic he would have got the result.Forget about that even while making a new thread if your topic name is same XDA throws up search result, Still people go on making same topic threads again for what ? just to gain posts ? This is not the way someone behaves on forum.Forums have rules and they are meant to be followed.But people don't and look at our forum its so much bloated had everyone followed atleast one rule of searching or looking out there would have been loads of less threads.Also do people really think that posting a topic 1-2 days after its originally posted somewhere is really smart ? Come on this is not your group of friends its INTERNET and it includes people over the world and people who are much smarter than me you or anyone.Accept it.So just give a thought you dont even have to do mathematics,simple logic says that someone would have already posted it,could have search just for sake of that..But again who cares some break rules some take the sides of those who break rules.Can't help and the post like what i made comes out of frustration and losing patience.
PS : A video from XDA for all those who think rules are flexible and taken for granted and there is always a first time :
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WOW that video is so old, it is not even funny. I remember when I first signed up on this site, the very first login that popped up before I could pull up the forum. I wonder if they still do that for all the n00bs when they first login.

jimbridgman said:
WOW that video is so old, it is not even funny. I remember when I first signed up on this site, the very first login that popped up before I could pull up the forum. I wonder if they still do that for all the n00bs when they first login.
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I've been on here for a couple of years and never seen it. Maybe Archmag3 should keep that video for tomorrows repeated questions or posts.
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tmease1 said:
I've been on here for a couple of years and never seen it. Maybe Archmag3 should keep that video for tomorrows repeated questions or posts.
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Haha..That made me laugh :laugh: but no seriously everyone should just post that video instead of posting anything else for repeated questions or posts/threads

Kernel 3.0 released!!

Hi everyone,
today was released the kernel 3.0 by htcdev
Device: Desire S
Carrier: HTC
Region: CHS
Type: CRC
Kernel: 3.0.16
Android: v4.0
Size: 97.0 MB
Description: 3.07.1400.2
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this will help ICS/JB ROMS getting better?

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For the love of all things - why, why, why ...

SimonTS said:
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For the love of all things - why, why, why ...
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what?

Fredericosilva said:
Hi everyone
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If you want to contribute please add a high-speed download link for others. Otherwise send a request to the moderators to delete this thread, since it brings nothing new here
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SimonTS said:
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For the love of all things - why, why, why ...
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Simon I'm sure us senior members understand you're frustration with some of the ignorant comments by other members but there's no need to be so harsh all the time!

Fredericosilva said:
what?
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This is the only thing that has been discussed on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485086 for the last 2 hours and on here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1843907 as well.
Did you honestly think you were the first person in the whole wide world to get this information?

Anyone can explain to me why this release it is not good?
This kernel dont help ICS devs?

sharpinator said:
Simon I'm sure us senior members understand you're frustration with some of the ignorant comments by other members but there's no need to be so harsh all the time!
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You're quite right - unfortunately they catch the brunt of my anger at the universe right now. They may not all deserve it, but some of them deserve far worse.
I think I'm just going to f*ck off out of here and find something else to do with my spare time where I don't have to try and be tolerant towards people like that.
(Edited due to unnecessary violence)

SimonTS said:
You're quite right - unfortunately they catch the brunt of my anger at the universe right now. They may not all deserve it, but some of them deserve far worse.
I think I'm just going to f*ck off out of here and find something else to do with my spare time where I don't have to try and be tolerant towards people who I would actually quite happily shoot.
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U need to take it ez dude... Just chill... Have drinks and ignore noobs
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Some moderator can delete this thread? Since Simon is the smartest here, my questions do not have any interest.

SimonTS said:
You're quite right - unfortunately they catch the brunt of my anger at the universe right now. They may not all deserve it, but some of them deserve far worse.
I think I'm just going to f*ck off out of here and find something else to do with my spare time where I don't have to try and be tolerant towards people who I would actually quite happily shoot.
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Belive me, you were ignorant and anoying not so long ago. Just calm yourself down and stop spilling poison all around.
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Simon, I suggest (in all good humor) that you step away from the.keyboard and take a holiday.
Go to your local, relax and have a skin full.
Sywepd form my DsereiS

What is CHS region?
I'm waiting for ICH supporting Arabic Egypt.
What shall I do?
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yep
the kernal source is released...
there are 39904 files and it's about 412MB :good::laugh:

SimonTS said:
You're quite right - unfortunately they catch the brunt of my anger at the universe right now. They may not all deserve it, but some of them deserve far worse.
I think I'm just going to f*ck off out of here and find something else to do with my spare time where I don't have to try and be tolerant towards people like that.
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Simon.. you need this: http://pocket.co/s8Ixq
Sorry off topic..
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Simon Cowell ?
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it´s possible to implement this kernel in a MIUI v4 rom?

Well OP, you're quite late, but at least you keep some of us up to date. And you helped XDA on search engine. people will found this thread later by google search, and they will know the source was released.
For Mr Simon , hmm
mirok said:
Belive me, you were ignorant and anoying not so long ago. Just calm yourself down and stop spilling poison all around.
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well, I thought it's only 2-3 people in this forum have problems with him. Am not saying I dont like anyone of us here, but too keep this forum friendly, no-old-user blatantly hates the new comer, we need to follow this one simple rule, RESPECT . everyone, including admin or the god of anything that have something to do with this board.
At least some of you guys have the guts to give Simon a breaking dawn point. Still, this is better than twilight. :cyclops:

anazhd said:
Well OP, you're quite late, but at least you keep some of us up to date. And you helped XDA on search engine. people will found this thread later by google search, and they will know the source was released.
For Mr Simon , hmm
well, I thought it's only 2-3 people in this forum have problems with him. Am not saying I dont like anyone of us here, but too keep this forum friendly, no-old-user blatantly hates the new comer, we need to follow this one simple rule, RESPECT . everyone, including admin or the god of anything that have something to do with this board.
At least some of you guys have the guts to give Simon a breaking dawn point. Still, this is better than twilight. :cyclops:
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Just to make you aware, I walked away from the forum for a few days - and intended to avoid posting in the DS threads again - through my choice, not because of anything that was said. Some of the longer-time members on here who I respect greatly (Sharpinator, Oly, Ben Pyett, Suku Patel and Dan - if I've missed any of them then I'm sorry) were constructive in their criticism of me and my recent posts. I just let things in the Real World get on top of me and that, coupled with the constant moronic postings on this forum by both noobs and people who should know better, got too much for me. Juggles is probably extremely conversant with what I was going through from a professional point-of-view.
I am not sorry for what I said, but I apologise to the people who originally made this a decent place to be if I upset any of them. I believe that XDA needs to take a serious look at itself before it the community (almost family) feel that it used to have is destroyed forever by the people coming in nowadays, demanding answers all the time, refusing to ever search, not bothering to thank (either by the button or verbally) when they are given answers, posting the same question over and over again because they are not bothered to read the answers they've been given, and generally breaking most of the rules of XDA on a daily basis.
This site is rapidly becoming far too big for the small number of moderators that are assigned to each forum (they do a great job, but can't handle what is going on most of the time) and if XDA is ever to get its quality feeling back they need to start enforcing the rules far more rigidly - especially the people who sign up and then just keep posting things like "Me too" or "What's the best ROM" so they can reach their 10 posts and start polluting the Dev forums. I joined less than a year ago, but I spent over 6 months reading and learning before joining just so that I had an idea what I was doing; my DS had been S-Offed and rooted for almost three months before I even made my first post.
I'm not perfect - hell, I'm the first to admit that, and I (like everybody else on the planet) rub people up the wrong way from time to time. I enjoyed most of my time here - certainly until rumours of ICS hit our device - but since that happened it has not been the same here.
Maybe I should have stayed away from here after what's gone on in Real Life recently, but this place used to be my escape from reality - I guess I just hadn't realised how much that had changed.

SimonTS said:
Just to make you aware, I walked away from the forum for a few days - and intended to avoid posting in the DS threads again - through my choice, not because of anything that was said. Some of the longer-time members on here who I respect greatly (Sharpinator, Oly, Ben Pyett, Suku Patel and Dan - if I've missed any of them then I'm sorry) were constructive in their criticism of me and my recent posts. I just let things in the Real World get on top of me and that, coupled with the constant moronic postings on this forum by both noobs and people who should know better, got too much for me. Juggles is probably extremely conversant with what I was going through from a professional point-of-view.
I am not sorry for what I said, but I apologise to the people who originally made this a decent place to be if I upset any of them. I believe that XDA needs to take a serious look at itself before it the community (almost family) feel that it used to have is destroyed forever by the people coming in nowadays, demanding answers all the time, refusing to ever search, not bothering to thank (either by the button or verbally) when they are given answers, posting the same question over and over again because they are not bothered to read the answers they've been given, and generally breaking most of the rules of XDA on a daily basis.
This site is rapidly becoming far too big for the small number of moderators that are assigned to each forum (they do a great job, but can't handle what is going on most of the time) and if XDA is ever to get its quality feeling back they need to start enforcing the rules far more rigidly - especially the people who sign up and then just keep posting things like "Me too" or "What's the best ROM" so they can reach their 10 posts and start polluting the Dev forums. I joined less than a year ago, but I spent over 6 months reading and learning before joining just so that I had an idea what I was doing; my DS had been S-Offed and rooted for almost three months before I even made my first post.
I'm not perfect - hell, I'm the first to admit that, and I (like everybody else on the planet) rub people up the wrong way from time to time. I enjoyed most of my time here - certainly until rumours of ICS hit our device - but since that happened it has not been the same here.
Maybe I should have stayed away from here after what's gone on in Real Life recently, but this place used to be my escape from reality - I guess I just hadn't realised how much that had changed.
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bro, I feel ya, those retarded new comer, doesnt even search for something, try before asking. im not like a newborn people, who dont know any sh*t about any thing. I've been around on 2 forums since 2007-2008 until now , TheHotFix.Net and TBD, our local hacking and programming forum. im one of the influencing member and mod, contributor/donator, and of course a programmer. Heavy burden. I've been around since mid 2011, looking out some info and stuffs for my asus tf101, I dont even register. But after I got this DS.. the only reason I register on XDA on the first place is because of attachment links, yeah. you need to register to download it. Well after that, after looking out some of the threads and posts, I do mind giving help to other users, that's why Im stuck in XDA right now.
Well, this is just a turning point. sometimes, people dont like other people style, sometimes this new comer dont give a f**k about anything. they just want answers. Back at the other forums, we just ban them for like a day, yes they keep showing up thou, but that's how we motivate and teach them.
I'm glad that at least, those long post is really reasonable, and something that I agreed. You see Simon, you feels like this is a burden for you, you have the guts to show your leadership, I like your style :good: . But, you need to control it a bit, dont messed up to serious on this, and giving yourself a bad name.
and dear XDA mods/admins , well I'm sorry on behalf of XDA DS family for this way-off off-topic, far too d*mn away.

I felt like a rant was coming on..

So... Sometimes I think to myself why basically no developers care about us anymore.. I came up with an idea pretty quick.. We are annoying most of the time to them. Especially the people to ask questions without just looking through the threads a bit. Obviously they have no experience forum hunting. I haven't had that much experience myself with forums, but it does not take long before we see the downside of our community. The people who post the most on XDA are Forum peeps.. second.. newbs... Sometimes I consider myself one for I feel sorry doing that for questions so dumb, but that was before I learned google doesn't really work through XDA forums that much. You google GS4 MF3 Recovery Bounty and it shows the wrong post on the top. The right post that you'd be interested in is a few links down. But I learned that lesson.
My question to the community, is why do we bother with people like this? The second someone has a serious post about anything, a newb comes along and says "PLEASE RELEASE THE MF3 RECOVERY>> OMG>>...." Those guys should be banned... and I see that way to often... (sadly I see it more in the Jailbreak for iphone more) but it is still in this forum too. Reason for this is probably really simple. This forum has gotten to be the most popular android related forum existing. Everyone that roots their phone has heard of XDA. So... what happens when one of those 14 year old root consumers has a problem? They (hopefully) google it.. then runs into the stupid google problem with XDA for unrelated crap, then posts directly here. Then we come along and say "if you would have looked, it's right in this thread, and everyone has that problem, so don't complain". I have a little sympathy for them, but after a while, those same people become those people who just scan the forums every day for some news of a possible MF3 Exploit, then one they see a serious post, they might think SOMETHINGS BEING DONE!!!......... Ugh... Huge sigh there.
So.. what could we do about it? One, we could ask google to fix their results to be more relevant for us.. but that may or may not ever happen. What else? We could just not let newbs post anywhere for the first day, only in Q&A threads the next weeks, then everything else after 2 months, that gives them enough time to learn that your exploit may never come.. especially if people like them do what they do every day. That won't get rid of everything. Especially on the Q&A, but it would keep the serious threads not kept in the Q&A thread relevant and less of a chance of newbs coming and replying. This is more an idea for the Mod's/Admins to consider, just more strict of a new user system.
Those intentions are only to relieve some of the bad feelings most hacker/devs have here, like DjrBliss. He flat out just dropped out of the forum a little after he released his Loki. And he's having a great time over on the moto x conversations you hear him have on twitter.
That's all I have to say for now.. And this is only my opinion on matters, may not be yours, so.. ya.
Have a good rest of the day you all

Well first off, let me tell that programmers are you know what's by nature. I'm a cyber defense specialist and I work everyday with a LOT of programmers, which is the same thing as your developers, and it took me a while to kind of fit their personality so we weren't offending each other. They don't get mad at people asking questions. They get mad answering questions they have already answered a hundred times. It's not really an XDA problem, it's a problem with people just not searching. They are wanting somebody else to basically wipe their butt for them. That's what REALLY strikes a nerve with many devs.
I believe that people like your talking about will always exist on XDA and many other forums. They have an enormous amount of members, and it's to hard to keep it away.

Cool story, bro. Take the Google search course if you're having problems searching. Here's a hint. Google "your subject xda" You'll get the hits your looking for first.

agent929 said:
Well first off, let me tell that programmers are you know what's by nature. I'm a cyber defense specialist and I work everyday with a LOT of programmers, which is the same thing as your developers, and it took me a while to kind of fit their personality so we weren't offending each other. They don't get mad at people asking questions. They get mad answering questions they have already answered a hundred times. It's not really an XDA problem, it's a problem with people just not searching. They are wanting somebody else to basically wipe their butt for them. That's what REALLY strikes a nerve with many devs.
I believe that people like your talking about will always exist on XDA and many other forums. They have an enormous amount of members, and it's to hard to keep it away.
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Yup your probably right there.. Well My ideas were somewhat close..