This is just a suggestion for all the developers that are established within this forum. Alright every time a new Rom, Kernel, or Tweak etc. is released the development forums get cluttered up with a bunch of ( lets face it guys ) useless information, questions ( which generally don't belong here ), and unnecessary thank you's. THERE IS A BUTTON FOR THAT! Anyways back to my original idea maybe these DEVS can pick a group of knowledgeable members to use as their testers to find bugs and issues before release to public. I know your excited to be finished ( you thought ) and want to share it with everyone, but think of these testers of your very own R & D team. By doing this most of the bugs can be resolved before public release therefore resulting in far less clutter about fix this or this don't work blah blah blah. I personally think this would result in much neater more organized threads that are more appealing to read through. I hate when i see a thread of interest and BAM over 100 replies thats alot of pages to go through. I also think this would make the moderators happier also. What do you guys think?
PS if you guys like what i have to say then HIT THE THANKS BUTTON don't post saying thanks no need to clutter up any thread.
I have been saying this same idea for some time now. I don't want credit for it, maybe others suggested it too before me. But still, you are the one that came up with this thread so like me I know there are some others that support this idea.
I remember back in the Froyo days when there wasn't that much trouble. I remember when a developer tested one of the ROM with the members that donated to the project first and then released it to the public. Also, I remember developers getting the phone either with them paying for it or getting donations so there was practically no need for users to test the alpha, beta, charlie, delta... releases. Also, I remember when Whitehawk decided to stop releasing ROM when we were getting many source leaks and then he came up with the Valhalla Final. We didn't have lot of controversy. Soooo it came to my mind that the trick for this was to have a controlled tester group.
It's simple, as you said, the testers would be chosen among the most savvy users that know how to report logs and then when the project became final it was released so there was no need for reports and requests with exception of maybe one or two more releases if something came up. This would have eased the pain of developers for releasing ten builds in a week and getting hundreds of useless replies and mainly would have avoided the drama and fireworks. Right now the forums seems to be under control thanks to the new moderator. But for me, and you, this is the very best idea I could think of.
Thanks for doing this. Hopefully other will be supportive too.
We do get testers in IRC. Most of the people in there lurk thoughk. When I have asked for someone to test before, no one really does. If you want to take an active stance you need to go where your devs are talking. Team Acid tends to be on #teamnerd all the time.
Also. Why not just take the time to read. Useless posts I don't think there are many useless posts. We all have different opinions and ways of understanding things and some of the posts that have helped me out over the year fit in to your definition of being useless. Also there is a thank you button but what kind of world is there where someone can't take the time to write a meaningful personalized message thanking the dev. Even if it literally says thank you it took more effort than clicking a button. We have a gift to read and share knowledge praise thanks and I like seeing the different forms if gratitude and I think the devs should think of it as being respectful and gratious. Also do we really need a thread complaining. Just be happy. And relax. Its a great day and age we live in. And threads aren't that drastically cluttered and as fb said you really want to help?? Join the irc and Google **** send logs. Not ***** about thank yous and small jokes. Relax and enjoy the forums. Its entertainment or else no one would be here.
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I agree with using a group of testers to help provide logs and such on builds. However I dont think, and this is just my opinion, that testers should have to idle in irc to get those builds. Because Im sure there are several people that could help but dont or cant idle there because of family, work, or school. I have seen erikmm mention a user or two using his builds before release. That is very good.
I also believe if a dev gets frustrated at a question being asked over and over again use the report button and ignore it. That applies to everybody if you see a question asked a second, third or more times report it. However answer the question if you can. Ask the mod to move it to a q&a thread. A general thread to move those is lumins stickied stupid questions thread. Maybe we can get sixstringsg to chime in on this. I know it aggravating to see these questions over and over but sometimes just answering them and asking to have the question moved is the better option then refuse and say use search. If you feel its spoon feeding or whatever remember somebody had to answer the question at some point. Not everybody has google-fu skills to find the right answers and simply answering saves so much frustrations on everybody.
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Extend the test build outside of irc because not everybody can idle in irc.
Questions that frustrate need to be reported.
If you can answer that question maybe do so and ask to get it moved.
Lumin's stupid question thread would be a great landing point if a thread isnt available.
sixstringsg maybe chime in regarding moving these posts instead of deleting them.
. Also there is a thank you button but what kind of world is there where someone can't take the time to write a meaningful personalized message thanking the dev. Even if it literally says thank you it took more effort than clicking a button. We have a gift to read and share knowledge praise thanks and I like seeing the different forms if gratitude and I think the devs should think of it as being respectful and gratious.
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Look I really totally agree with you about comment being better than pressing a button, I even wrote a thread about it. But the moderators deleted it not move it or give me a warning just gone, and it was not even ignorant. I made suggestion to make a special section for this like q and a for each rom.
Also I do a great deal of reading on here I don't have a problem reading and learning something new but look at it from a newbies perspective, ahhhhh way to much to read where are the files ill just flash its easy right hence leading to USELESS POSTS. I know this don't mean all people some do read.
Also as far as IRC I've been there don't understand half of what is discussed but testing from there will just bring leacheers and clutter another thread so to speak.
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Asking dev's to test builds is something most of them do already anyway. You get a build to a stage where you can release it. Then you hope that people find the small bugs you missed and give you logs so you can track them down and fix them. That is the whole idea behind this site. The problem doesn't lie with the devs it lies with the users. The ones who don't read, mess something up, then come crying to the dev thread either wanting help or blaming the dev for putting out a non perfect product. Look at whites thread for Valhalla. He releases it as a final and their are still 17 pages of pretty useless questions in the DEV section. That's the problem. We've all seen it. Tommy the Newb frantically posting everywhere so he can get to the magic number ten which allows him to post in the dev section. Then he posts some useless bit of already answered drivel. Look at how may times Erik and I have already had to ask people in the MiUI thread to use Q&A. Dev sections should be for just that development. Sorry but how do I put swype back on is not development. So asking the devs to fix the problem is putting the cart before the horse. How about we educate the users a little and if that doesn't work report the posts that need to go or get moved. Or you can just do what I've done and get used to people posting useless drivel and learn to speed read.
Every point you make hecheon I can counter. However If I do it will turn this thread into something its not intended to be.
This quote sums up this device community.
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@Hechoen I by no means putting any blame on any development, I agree it is the users that clog up threads. But if you really think about it we are all Hippocrates we tell people where to post stuff in appropriate section but they continue posting q in wrong sec and then someone usually a senior member will post In the same wrong sec resulting in double useless info about the rom. And then mod will post I have moved your thread to correct forum creating another post in Wrong sec I think you guys can understand what I mean.
Maybe to make it alot simpler when a dev releases a project they should lock it instantly resulting in members to post in correct sec.
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Maybe to make it alot simpler when a dev releases a project they should lock it instantly resulting in members to post in correct sec.
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Github bugreports is awesome.
Bhundven is doing just what I said with his new aosp rom even though there are no files to download yet. Then when bugs are cleared thread could be unlocked
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@Hechoen I by no means putting any blame on any development, I agree it is the users that clog up threads. But if you really think about it we are all Hippocrates we tell people where to post stuff in appropriate section but they continue posting q in wrong sec and then someone usually a senior member will post In the same wrong sec resulting in double useless info about the rom. And then mod will post I have moved your thread to correct forum creating another post in Wrong sec I think you guys can understand what I mean.
Maybe to make it alot simpler when a dev releases a project they should lock it instantly resulting in members to post in correct sec.
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What we're really looking at here is a way to make the forums cleaner. I am just as guilty as any one else as far as posting things where I might have been able to post elsewhere. I try not to but sometimes when answering a question I add to that post count of the thread. I didn't men to insinuate that you where blaming the devs at all. Only pointing out that the ROM's that are released are pretty stable for the most part. If we all start to adopt the idea of posting logs in dev threads and questions in Q&A that would be the first step in keeping things a little easier to follow. The thing is there is no simple answer. People will continue to do what they want and we will have to just put up with it. If we all try to do are part maybe slowly we can change things.
Here's a thread that kinda goes through the how to control the useless posts idea. Pages 1 and 2 are pretty entertaining. It's from December. lol
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1375331&highlight=people
I don't chime in much on things around here but I really want to tell you all that I greatly appreciate the fact that this is a discussion and not what everything else seems to turn into. I think it shows that we are, indeed, a community of people that care about our phones, the development that some really good people spend their time doing, helping each other, helping the new folks, and we care about the community in which we communicate.
It's good to see people caring about what goes on around here. That alone is what made me feel the need to write.
I can't say what the best way is going forward with keeping the dev area cleaner. Each dev is a different person and we're in an open community so I don't know that trying to "lock-down" how it's done will work. Wrapping a development life cycle approach is a good idea but I don't know how effective it can be in a non-corporate environment. I do, personally, like the idea of a small team of testers. I'd like to be one of them but I also realize that my work and personal life interferes with how much I can contribute. Ask FB, he waited a month or so for me to help develop an update to the GB Starter Pack and I never got it done. I love helping the community but I falter, too
I do believe the dev threads should be kept to clicking "Thanks" (PM the Dev if you want to write that heartfelt note/letter), log files, and bug reports. As others have pointed out, though, we can't stop people from doing whatever they want to do. We can encourage, we can point out (Hey, this doesn't belong here), but at the end of the day we can only control our own behaviors.
I want to reiterate my thank you to all of the community here. I'm glad to see we're coalescing & gelling to make this a better place. I'll help with that in any way I can.
Thanks again - Steve
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I do believe the dev threads should be kept to clicking "Thanks" (PM the Dev if you want to write that heartfelt note/letter), log files, and bug reports. As others have pointed out, though, we can't stop people from doing whatever they want to do. We can encourage, we can point out (Hey, this doesn't belong here), but at the end of the day we can only control our own behaviors.
Thanks again - Steve
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Steven that is a very good point. We cant control others. But we can control what is posted. The report button works wonders. Instead of just posting telling people this doesnt belong here and leaving it at that, point them to the proper thread/subforum. I dont mean just tell them to post in q&a or themes link to that sub-forum. Then report both your post and the post your answering and ask the mod to move it to the proper thread/forum. Help the mods out so they arent spending more time fixing/moving and can enjoy the site as well.
I dont mean to blame the devs for everything that is wrong. I agree a portion of this is the non-dev community is responsible for. I want to quote something from the do you wanna be a dev page.
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IMO that puts a lot more responsibility on devs than they realize. I know people have bad days and all it takes is a simple comment to set you off. Ive been there many times. But as a RD and a possible RD you are the face of xda. If somebody comes here and sees RD under your name they think man xda thinks this guy/gal is the bees knees. Then they see this RD being rude or whatever it taints their idea of xda.
Regular members have so many faces. We can also make a opinion of xda based on how we treat the new members. We dont carry as much "weight" in this until a RD jumps in and partakes in the razzing of the noob. Once a RD does this people think man this guy is a jerk and so is this community.
In the end everybody here offers some sort of support, be it endless posts helping a new person, somebody offering ideas to help clean the forums and make them organized, or a RD or RD IT releasing roms. We are a community here. Every single one of us. It is up to us to fix what is broken. The mods can only do so much. By blaming one group or the other only keeps a line divided in the sand. The devs and members need to work together and make this place pleasant.
well im new here but my brother develops roms on xda so this seems like a good thread on paper but i just download it the miui rom and i love it even though it's not final since it has bugs i don't care I mean i love trying the new roms that are released whether they are alpha or beta or final. I think if we have to wait for a final rom(i searched thru dev section) we would of had to wait til Valhalla final then Valhalla Black final and to be honest to wait from march to like november for a rom would of been hell lol my opinion, that is all...
You guys are killing me with this thread.
This forum is working because we a have mod that isn't afraid to use the ban hammer.
Devs using testers? um to an extent they already do.
I personally don't think a non dev has any business telling a dev how to pursue their enthusiasm.
And lastly, you are preaching to the wind the people who need to see this won't because reading is fundamental and that's to much to ask or they do but they disregard because it's one post and they really need blah blah!
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Github bugreports is awesome.
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I have to admit that this is actually one of the more useful things you guys can do, if you ARE going to be willing to help. Airfluip mentioned the camcorder bug in CM7 the other day, and Bryan said he had forgotten about it, so I opened a bug report for it. I hadn't used the issue (bug report) capability in github before, but I'm going to start using it more extensively because it's a good way to keep track of what's gotten fixed and what needs to be fixed, rather than having to wade through all the posts on XDA, so I recommend you do this to help us out with any of the projects we have since they're all linked to github from their respective threads.
Ok thanks for all your input guys even though nothing has changed I figured that if I cant develop anything atleast I can contribute in other ways by atleast making suggestions of ways to inprove our site. Trolls are trolls they come in and make us clog up everything must have a chip on their shoulder or a mod rubbed them the wrong way or maybe they are just a luttle kid wanting his voice hward in every post he can. Matbe we should blame the education system for just passing kids and not teaching them to read. Also the younger generation along with others are just too impatient. Alright im done ranting about nothing keep up the good work guys
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lol eh idk about roms having to be final to be released because sometimes test groups get busy with life or dev gets busy but won't write more about it cus don't wanna sound like i disagree just think it'll cause probs because everyone has a life outside of xda. Well I'll just leave you guys with this pic of an unfinalized rom i wish i could release
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Um i did not mean a final before release just a rom with most common bugs found before first release. I still like my second post its much easier and noone gets offended. When a dev releases something put in link and directions and lock thread
link can still be accessed when post is locked and maybe unlock once final is released this would force people to post in proper section hence more cleaner threads. Just look at your SCOM thread over 55 pages. I think i will close this since noone can agree to try change.
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I am not sure where to go to ask this but can we get some mod attention in threads. It is hard for a newb or someone to come into the dev section and weed through 100+ pages of fluff and stuff to try and figure out what's up with a ROM. Can we please get the mods to start modding?...a lot of stuff in a these threads can be removed and maybe consolidated. I must say I am getting frustrated trying to read threads to see if any of the ROMs have FFC capability in yahoo because it is not a major issue to some of the devs and it is one of the major needs I have so I try to read through threads to see if it was mentioned only to go page after page of nothing but chatting....
I am not trying to step on any toes or anything just asking if we can get some garbage clearing around the boards...
case in point 5 pages on a thread before a ROM was even posted minutes ago...I love that we hav an active community but...come on.
The mods work for free, do a decent job of removing things that actually violate XDA's ToS and there is a pretty kick ass search feature built in to the site. What may be idle banter and useless thread clutter to you is probably important, helpful information to the people involved in those topics. How many people see people discussing FFC issues or IM service issues and consider it a waste of thread space?
Not trying to piss in your puddle or nothin, but I like that everyone can discuss what they want and our voices aren't silenced arbitrarily by unpaid moderators.★
★Mods feel free to arbitrarily delete this post.
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The mods work for free, do a decent job of removing things that actually violate XDA's ToS and there is a pretty kick ass search feature built in to the site. What may be idle banter and useless thread clutter to you is probably important, helpful information to the people involved in those topics. How many people see people discussing FFC issues or IM service issues and consider it a waste of thread space?
Not trying to piss in your puddle or nothin, but I like that everyone can discuss what they want and our voices aren't silenced arbitrarily by unpaid moderators.★
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While I see your point....tell me how a person new to the boards can read through 200+ pages for one ROM?..search only goes so far...the development board is supposed to be about the development of a ROM not talk back and forth about a coming soon or mindless banter from several weeks ago just adding to page after page of nothing related to the ROM...like I said before glad we have an active community but would be nice at some point they work to make the threads little more manageable for readers. Some might consider it a waste of space but to be fair it is an issue related to the ROM not "are you gonna get that uploaded today?"
fair enough, though you could have made a backup, flashed a rom, checked yahoo, and restored in the amount of time it took you to make these posts, let alone read through several pages of a thread.
Well true that...fair enough although I am not weeding through the threads just looking for that and I also start at the end and work backwards...the mods do do it for free here but they took that upon themselves...
Easy steps for your problem
1. Go back to stock ROM
2. Unroot your phone
This should save you alot of time spent reading unecessary threads (such as this one)
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While I see your point....tell me how a person new to the boards can read through 200+ pages for one ROM?..search only goes so far...the development board is supposed to be about the development of a ROM not talk back and forth about a coming soon or mindless banter from several weeks ago just adding to page after page of nothing related to the ROM...like I said before glad we have an active community but would be nice at some point they work to make the threads little more manageable for readers. Some might consider it a waste of space but to be fair it is an issue related to the ROM not "are you gonna get that uploaded today?"
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Okay i'm going to bust some chops here.
1) The development community here at XDA has always been one of the top notch communities on the known planet. The devs around here do an amazing job. and i applaud them. they have done nothing less then amazing work, and they only thing they ask for is a "thanks" or a small donation... and rarely ask for money.
2) they have always started one thread per ROM design. Look at TeamRoyal they have several different ROM styles and several different threads. They use these threads as feedback. They read through them to see what people are saying so they can make changes accordingly. The one really long thread, will do more good for them then starting a new one per new ROM release.
3) the [OP] will 9 out of 10 times will include a log to indicate what has been fixed in the first post. We can quickly and easily use this to see what problems have been fixed. So reading the 200 pages will tend to be boring and pointless. But to the one person who sees __________ as being a problem can voice their opinion and see if anyone has a known fix for it.
4) if you are reading page one through x on a ROM that has 8 different updates you have no one to blame but your self. the earlier the post the lower version of the ROM it's related to. You ought to look for when the post was edited then go to the back back and start reading. And go backwards until you hit the date and time which the [OP] was edited. It's not rocket science.
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Easy steps for your problem
1. Go back to stock ROM
2. Unroot your phone
This should save you alot of time spent reading unecessary threads (such as this one)
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I lul'd with heartiness.
I see the OP's POV... But as a modder of these phones you kinda have to sit there and read hundreds of pages. All of this stuff is trial and error so i think what you see as useless clutter is normal and needed so that the developers can perfect these ROMs. Not to be a **** or anything but all this hacking isn't four everyone. And if you don't have the patience to sit and read through pages of stuff then he or she shouldn't be getting into all of this.
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I am not sure where to go to ask this but can we get some mod attention in threads. It is hard for a newb or someone to come into the dev section and weed through 100+ pages of fluff and stuff to try and figure out what's up with a ROM. Can we please get the mods to start modding?...a lot of stuff in a these threads can be removed and maybe consolidated. I must say I am getting frustrated trying to read threads to see if any of the ROMs have FFC capability in yahoo because it is not a major issue to some of the devs and it is one of the major needs I have so I try to read through threads to see if it was mentioned only to go page after page of nothing but chatting....
I am not trying to step on any toes or anything just asking if we can get some garbage clearing around the boards...
case in point 5 pages on a thread before a ROM was even posted minutes ago...I love that we hav an active community but...come on.
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Towards the bottom of every forum page, you will see a list of the moderators assigned to the forum. If you see some things out of place, please take a few moments to send a PM requesting a cleanup.
I completely agree with the OP. There are many useless posts on every single thread (sometimes to just say one word + 10char... That is not helpful to anyone at all, and neither are posts to just say "Thanks".. That's what the damn Thanks buttons are for), but it's pointless voicing your thoughts on this.. You will simply get bashed, told to go elsewhere or told that you don't appreciate the community's work.
I've learned that this is just one of those things you have to let go and just put up with it.
Not trying to get into a pissing match here, just pointing out that in the same sense of hitting the damn thanks button, moderators are listed and a PM system is in place. Posting a thread invites general discussion. If the problem truly exists with the moderators it should be privately discussed with them. By its very nature a thread in the general section is either a shot at the moderators or a shot at the community, neither of which are fair imo.
Why are some so ignorant and believe the world must cater to them, don't mind the other 100,000 ppl here... SMH
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I agree that often there is clutter and light-hearted banter stuck in the middle of otherwise-technical info. But you know, be careful what you wish for. If it's annoying or problematic to wade through a 200+ page thread, look at the flipside of the coin. I've been in many forums where, for one reason or another, problems and discord started to reign, with everyone having a problem with everything, and then after a while, they WISHED they could have threads with 200+ pages, since 3/4 of the people left in frustration.
As for the same info being in different places, other than some automatic, intelligent, self healing mindmap plugin to the forum software being available, this is what it is. Think of it as a magazine. Some ads, some fluff, but lots of great articles. Leaf through it, and enjoy.
Reading all those pages on development and rom threads have made it so I don't have to ask another repeated question and annoy our devs to the point of quiting. They make you more self sufficient with your phone and modding it.
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You know its funny that this thread is asking to get other threads cleaned up. I'm just posting this comment to try and reach my 10 comments so I can post in the developer section. This is ****ing bull****. What a horrible policy.
You could always ask your questions in Q&A. Or post in General about whatever it is you wish to say. It's 10 posts, how much frustration can there possibly be.
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Why are some so ignorant and believe the world must cater to them, don't mind the other 100,000 ppl here... SMH
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I agree with you!! Nothing was handed to me on a silver platter. I did my own research and didnt ask for much help in return!! Yes the threads will have some clutter, Just seems like people are a little lazy these days and want the fast anser, or to have it done for them... Just Sayin
Ok............
Its generally not the done thing to go into a dev thread and start deleting posts unless they are seriously off topic.
In which case the dev would probably have told the offender to stfu anyway....
If however, there is a real need for a thread to be cleaned then have a look for your relevant mod at the foot of the page and drop us a pm.
Seeing a thread like this feels a little like a slap in the face to be honest. As mentioned we do this for free, in our spare time. I haven't been through here for a few days as I've been busy outside of XDA so I apologise if a few [Q]'s have built up in general or development but I'd like to think that any serious matters would have been reported.....
Also, it's possible to search an individual thread, saves you reading all 200 pages....
Not that 200 is a lot for a ROM thread
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Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
Thanks,
Ryan
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I commend you. I could imagine your task at hand is like trying to clean up the streets of St Louis by yourself. It has become anarchy here, just people running their mouth with no consequence. You deleted one of my posts because it became off topic, I was actually happy, because it was deserved.
My only suggestion is consequence. I know it's hard to really "punish" someone over the internet, but any kind of action should be taken to breaking the rules.
Thanks for taking your time just to read post over post, just to see if people are following rules.
Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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You're welcome. See you around
I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
Old MuckenMire said:
I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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Sadly that's the way it has always been, there are always those users who are on here to simply tear people down and complain. Maybe its boredom but its something that has always bothered me as well. Not sure there's much anyone can do about it however, unless they are flaming and posting rude comments that's when the mods can do their thing. If enough complaints are reported about certain users then action is also justified so don't be afraid to let us know.
I'm gonna improve the sticky I put up in the dev section to include more info for noobs and see if that helps.
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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No problem man, and I'm not trying to rat people out either. I just wanted to show an example of what has been going on. A lot of members here(even me included at times I'm sure) have been acting like this is our forum instead of us all acting like guests here and treating others as guests as well.
It's so hard to clean things up and police them, what one person feels should be asked in a thread for a specific ROM another person feels should be in the "general" or Q&A section.
If I'm having a "general" (ie battery, GPS, etc.) issue after I flash a ROM I'm going to look to that ROM's thread for answers - I find that if I post something in the 'general' forum about a specific ROM I get all kinds of answers from folks running different ROMs or that are not rooted and, while I appreciate the help, I don't think that somebody is as able to help unless they are on that particular s/ware. Isn't battery life and/or GPS a development issue if a lot of people are having that problem? Spin off to a new thread, reduce clutter, and post a link to the thread in the OP. (then you can at least chastise somebody if the info is in the first post which should ALWAYS be read in its entirety).
I think it would be nice if a developer would put in the OP a couple links to specific threads that have been started that are talking about specific issues w/a specific ROM. Right now the CM7 development thread has spawned a couple different troubleshooting threads, but there is no link in the OP to those.
On one of my previous ROMs the OP had all kinds of links to help threads and FAQ, etc.
I also think that the old "if you can't say something nice...." saying should be rule #1 - it would save a LOT of issues when somebody chimes in and says "how do I.....?" and somebody else responds with "why don't you try reading/searching, etc." - why can't they just take the same amount of energy they used typing that snide comment and instead point in a helpful direction?
I understand the frustration, I too get tired of the same Q's being asked over and over again but I've also failed at the "search" on the site and had to have people guide me, especially when it's something I'm new to, like Netflix, etc.
Now I'm just rambling......
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I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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I really doubt it will.
I can see what everyone is saying. I've been involved with Android phones since day one and have been active on several boards for many years now.
I was with T-Mobile for over 15 years and am a Pillar on their boards, so I've spent alot of time there.
I've used XDA for some time now with the G1, G2, Cliq, MyTouch, etc.
When I got the Thunderbolt, I came to this forum and I noticed a very different "air" about this forum as others had pointed out. I found it kinda odd since the phone was so new.
One thing that I did notice was that "moderation" (and I know everyone is busy around here) is not as, for lack of a better word..."swift" around here. On most other boards I am on (and also ran), rules violations were not tolerated and handled very quickly with "Time outs" being given out to minor offenders and outright bans given to major offenders.
That being said, as other have said, unless there is a consequence for an action, the behavior will continue.
Not sure what can be done to help monitor this board better, since I do not know how all of it is handled internally, but I think if there was more of a moderator presence (as in jumping into a thread and posting about staying on topic or watching language, etc). Maybe the "bad boys" will just get tired of not being able to "terroize" anyone anymore and just leave.
Just my two cents.
2 issue's that see on this board (and others) -
1. Anyone that ask a question already posted is immediately called a N00b and slammed on.
2. Just cause someone has low post count they are called N00b (yep happens to me on this one)
It seems that there is no patience by many user's on answering questions (if you don't have kids wait till you do, you will be answering them many times over) why get so flustered cause people ask questions, whether or not they have been answered. Not everyone is a N00b because of low post count (I know I'm not and can hold my own anytime) I also don't act like I know everything either. Some people can't let things go either.. if you don't like it why respond? just ignore it. A little common courtesy goes a long way folks. Also folks asking for things to be fixed ASAP on newly released Roms and refuse to use them until they are or they ***** and complain over and over about the issue. Just a question, do you act like this at home or deal with things like this at home with programs you use? All software has issue's if you think they don't or your the perfect programmer, you don't belong doing this. Even major software and telecom companies have bugs that happen that are not always caught on release. Its normal and if you can do better and want everything perfect, then start programming!
I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
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admiralspark said:
I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
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Feel free to add to it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433
i commend you for this ryan but it's gonna take more than just you to make xda a better place to be. the issue is instead of people just answering questions, they always say "search" .....what a waste.
the other issue is this site seems to be run by the members and not the devs, nobodies hardly on here anymore it seems. it also takes forever for a mod to show up when you report something. now don't get me wrong i love xda for the freedom i have to an extent, i also do not want a police state like android central is. there has got to be a medium somehow.
i wish we could of talked about this earlier, i hate the fact soo many devs have left the tbolt section.
I'm glad to see an effort is being made, it's going to take work from everyone.
Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
For example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169292
As a rooted user, this post would just be a waste of space and pretty offtopic. For an unrooted user, you're going to get the obligatory "ORLY???" type posts from rooted users because to those that rooted, this is old news (either because they already got the update ages ago or they changed their boot animation to something custom).
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Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
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i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
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i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
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I'd say probably 20% that come here don't root. I have no idea why either when they could go to more general forums for android out there that aren't so development/rooting focused. I really don't have much empathy for them when they complain about things being broke/not having fancy new features, but eh, each to their own. They would be better off complaining to the source (verizon) than complaining on here cluttering up the forum, since most of their issues cannot be fixed without doing what the refuse to do.
With that being said, a seperate forum would let them figure stuff out without getting in the way of those that did root.
Since some that flashed the leak are at 1.2ghz and others on 1ghz, and some can fxz back and forth and others brick I thought I would put up a poll to see if there is any correlation.
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Since some that flashed the leak are at 1.2ghz and others on 1ghz, and some can fxz back and forth and others brick I thought I would put up a poll to see if there is any correlation.
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Seriously? Do you not know how to search? These have been posted and on the front page for over a week now. took me less than 30 seconds to find these!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1785773
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786111
Please read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778853
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Oh my GOD!!!! do you people not know how to search? These have been posted and on the front page for over a week now. took me less than 30 seconds to find these!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1785773
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786111
Please read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778853
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Jim i have read every thread in here. My poll has a very specific purpose unrelated to any of the threads you posted. (which I have both voted on and read through and through)
Some people can FXZ back and forth and others cannot. Some people have 1.2ghz clock and others have 1ghz. You aren't curious to know if there is any relation between these 2 anomalies? I'm curious to know, and that is why I posted the poll. Please vote jim, I know you can FXZ and I think you are at 1 ghz?
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Jim i have read every thread in here. My poll has a very specific purpose unrelated to any of the threads you posted. (which I have both voted on and read through and through)
Some people can FXZ back and forth and others cannot. Some people have 1.2ghz clock and others have 1ghz. You aren't curious to know if there is any relation between these 2 anomalies? I'm curious to know, and that is why I posted the poll. Please vote jim, I know you can FXZ and I think you are at 1 ghz?
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Like I have been saying to everyone now let us devs handle all of this right now stop posting a billion new useless threads.
We are still trying to figure this all out and why some can't and others can't. A Poll is not going to tell us that. It is by digging into the code and PMing those so far that we KNOW can FXZ and let us devs handle it, so that we can get the fix out faster. I have a possible solution I am working on, but I have to constantly deal with all the mess in here too, and there is not enough time for both.
Just please let us devs do what we do best, we will get it figured out!
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Like I have been saying to everyone now let us devs handle all of this right now stop posting a billion new useless threads.
We are still trying to figure this all out and why some can't and others can't. A Poll is not going to tell us that. It is by digging into the code and PMing those so far that we KNOW can FXZ and let us devs handle it, so that we can get the fix out faster. I have a possible solution I am working on, but I have to constantly deal with all the mess in here too, and there is not enough time for both.
Just please let us devs do what we do best, we will get it figured out!
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Well I don't feel like my poll is useless, and I don't see the harm. I know ya'll have been working on a fix and I am confident you will have it sorted out. I'm not claiming to have a fix. Nor am I begging anyone for a fix. My phone is up and running fine and I'm leaving it be until ya'll finish the recovery. I may not be a developer, but I'm not an idiot nor a noob that posts a million threads. I posted 1 thread after reading all the others. As far as I knew this is a public forum where both developers and hobbyists can come together and discuss ideas. I understand your frustration, but no one has forced you to read and reply to every thread. I'm merely requesting a vote for my own personal curiosity. Maybe there is no relation between the two anamolies, and maybe the thread is no help to anyone. But maybe just maybe there is a correlation that would at least tell who is safe and who is not. At the very least it gives the rest of us something else to do while ya'll do your thing behind the scenes.
"A man only needs one thing in life. He just needs someone to love. If you can't give him that, then give him something to hope for. And if you can't give him that, just give him something to do." - Flight of the phonex
MODS...... Please take care of this!!!!!!
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MODS...... Please take care of this!!!!!!
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It was reported by a few people already.
Really????
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I can't believe this place. I have not disrespected one person here. If you look at when I do post its usually to help others. One guy comes in with a bitter attitude towards anyone without dev status, calls peoples threads useless and is basically just disrespectful in general. And all the KoolAid drinkers jump on my back? Now I'm the bad guy. I didn't get the memo that xda was running out of server space or that it was only a place for the developers to talk about what they want. Y'all are just running the very people that make up the majority out of here. I sure want no part of a community that has this kind of attitude.
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I can't believe this place. I have not disrespected one person here. If you look at when I do post its usually to help others. One guy comes in with a bitter attitude towards anyone without dev status, calls peoples threads useless and is basically just disrespectful in general. And all the KoolAid drinkers jump on my back? Now I'm the bad guy. I didn't get the memo that xda was running out of server space or that it was only a place for the developers to talk about what they want. Y'all are just running the very people that make up the majority out of here. I sure want no part of a community that has this kind of attitude.
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Has nothing to do with dev status. Just common sense right now. If you maybe waited another week to post this, then it prolly would not have deflated like it did... trust me it was not me that did anything here, and no one follows me.. heck most on here are still mad about all the bricks. The issue is that there are a ton of people that have all of a sudden taken it upon themselves to appoint themselves a developer and give out bad advice and people are just running rampant and not following the rules and re-posting dupe threads and there is like total anarchy in here right now... so this did not go over very well do to all of that, plus this has basically been covered by two different polls, now you can put the data together and pretty much figure it out.
No disrespect was ever ment. Just think about what is going on and all the sensitivity in here right now before posting, just until things quiet down again.
I hard bricked my Atrix 2, I just threw it away.. i had no fix for it and Motorola's warranty is just bullship to be honest.. :| 420$ thrown away.. but yeah now i'm just gonna save for another one maybe iPhone 5 or Atrix HD or Galaxy s3, just gonna think twice which is better, I hate hard bricks for no reason and bad warranty. Hahah sorry about the complain.
Thank you to the 2 people so far that have taken the time to vote. I am at 1 ghz but have not tried to FXZ back, otherwise I would vote as well.
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Thank you to the 2 people so far that have taken the time to vote. I am at 1 ghz but have not tried to FXZ back, otherwise I would vote as well.
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You post a thread for a poll that you didn't even participate in as the OP? It just keeps gettin' better and better...
#shakingmyhead
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Apex_Strider said:
You post a thread for a poll that you didn't even participate in as the OP? It just keeps gettin' better and better...
#shakingmyhead
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So now there is a rule that the OP must take part in a poll even if there is no way for him to honestly vote? How stupid is that? What if someone posts a pole if they should buy the atrix 2 or the galaxy 3 and the op has no experience with either phone... How could he possibly vote?
And all you followers would not be being so rude had Jim come here and said oh this is interesting lets see where this goes. You all jump on the flame train like a bunch of zombies. Jim tells me to search yet the very thread he referred me to I both voted in and had posts discussing this very topic. A couple people also wondered if there was a correlation but the discussion went no further. I post my own thread so as not jack someone else's and I'm jumped on by people for no good reason. The most ridiculous part of this whole thing is my questions/poll actually has good merit and seems like logical things to look at. People could have spent 15 seconds reading the poll and voting accordingly, but instead take up much more time flaming me for posting it.
If everyone that is able to FXZ is on 1ghz and everyone that bricks is on 1.2ghz isnt that good information to know? Am I the only one that sees this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865
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So now there is a rule that the OP must take part in a poll even if there is no way for him to honestly vote? How stupid is that? What if someone posts a pole if they should buy the atrix 2 or the galaxy 3 and the op has no experience with either phone... How could he possibly vote?
And all you followers would not be being so rude had Jim come here and said oh this is interesting lets see where this goes. You all jump on the flame train like a bunch of zombies. Jim tells me to search yet the very thread he referred me to I both voted in and had posts discussing this very topic. A couple people also wondered if there was a correlation but the discussion went no further. I post my own thread so as not jack someone else's and I'm jumped on by people for no good reason. The most ridiculous part of this whole thing is my questions/poll actually has good merit and seems like logical things to look at. People could have spent 15 seconds reading the poll and voting accordingly, but instead take up much more time flaming me for posting it.
If everyone that is able to FXZ is on 1ghz and everyone that bricks is on 1.2ghz isnt that good information to know? Am I the only one that sees this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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Eh, I think a lot of people here are just tired of the unnecessary and misleading threads. I personally see nothing way too off-base with this one. Maybe it is somewhat of a repeat, but then again not really as it's multiple threads statistic compiled into one and more up-to-date. If there's a problem, yo, a mod will solve it. No need for people to come in here rampaging. If you don't like it, report it and don't post in it. Bumping it sure won't help you resolve it.
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So now there is a rule that the OP must take part in a poll even if there is no way for him to honestly vote? How stupid is that? What if someone posts a pole if they should buy the atrix 2 or the galaxy 3 and the op has no experience with either phone... How could he possibly vote?
And all you followers would not be being so rude had Jim come here and said oh this is interesting lets see where this goes. You all jump on the flame train like a bunch of zombies. Jim tells me to search yet the very thread he referred me to I both voted in and had posts discussing this very topic. A couple people also wondered if there was a correlation but the discussion went no further. I post my own thread so as not jack someone else's and I'm jumped on by people for no good reason. The most ridiculous part of this whole thing is my questions/poll actually has good merit and seems like logical things to look at. People could have spent 15 seconds reading the poll and voting accordingly, but instead take up much more time flaming me for posting it.
If everyone that is able to FXZ is on 1ghz and everyone that bricks is on 1.2ghz isnt that good information to know? Am I the only one that sees this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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I won't bother to engage you in arguing the mundane legitimacy of your so called "merit" of this 'poll'. What is logical is to allow the devs here time to do what they need, so as not to keep having to ward off would be n00bs or "know it nots" from doing something stupid. Nobody has "flamed" you, and if you feel like that is the case, you ain't seen flaming. I can attest that I am not a "follower" of Jim or anyone else here in these forums, I am my own entity and hold my own opinions and ideas. If, by chance, said opinions and ideas are similar to others here, doesn't mean that I am some dumb schmuck that wants to fit in with the cool kids. All of this being said, I will again say that I will not waste my time trying to argue the pragmatics of your post...
Alright I think we all should just calm DOWN!
@dudemaaam- All the senior members in the forums are just pretty pissed off at the way this forum has been running. First we had posting 5 different threads a day about ICS, then once we got the leak we had people hard bricking all over the place, then a bunch of people started posting new threads claiming that they've bricked their phones even after pretty much every thread in the forum had a warning not too. THEN we had people still trying to beg for the links for ICS once they've been pulled. AND many noobs started posting out the blue, all over the place saying they found a fix. This one guy in particilar posted like 4 different threads. So all of us are just trying to STOP people from waisting a $400 device. The devs (who have experience in dealing with problems like this) should be the ones asking these polls as they are the only ones who can truly fix the problems
Why are you guys tearing this guy apart? There has been no previous poll to test the correlation between the ability to fxz and your current clockspeed. This post does not give out shoddy advice or inhibit development. I do not see the problem with it. People are way to excited to jump all over anyone and everyone these days. I respect Jim and what he does and is doing for the community. But this poll truly does not inhibit anything. The other thing that has begun to bother me are the Jim "Fanboys" who flame anyone and just yell the "LET THE DEVS DO THERE JOBS" at everyone who posts. Jim I know you have nothing to do with them and I am not implying you do. Just please show some common courtesy. Sure with posts that may harm someones phone report them quickly and post in the thread telling everyone of the danger and leave it. That's all it needs. And leave posts such as this alone as they do no harm.
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Alright I think we all should just calm DOWN!
@dudemaaam- All the senior members in the forums are just pretty pissed off at the way this forum has been running. First we had posting 5 different threads a day about ICS, then once we got the leak we had people hard bricking all over the place, then a bunch of people started posting new threads claiming that they've bricked their phones even after pretty much every thread in the forum had a warning not too. THEN we had people still trying to beg for the links for ICS once they've been pulled. AND many noobs started posting out the blue, all over the place saying they found a fix. This one guy in particilar posted like 4 different threads. So all of us are just trying to STOP people from waisting a $400 device. The devs (who have experience in dealing with problems like this) should be the ones asking these polls as they are the only ones who can truly fix the problems
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I totally agree. This whole situation with all of the new posts about the same subject has gotten way out of hand. I get on xda to try and escape from reality for a few minutes a day and anymore i don't even want to get on here because it's the same thing everyday with new posts. It is far beyond ridiculous seeing the same topic, different thread, day in and day out. Nothing against the op, the whole ics leak problem is just frustrating and I think we need to let the devs figure this out.
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I've been a loyalist to the SL i9003 forum, From the day the threads went up to when we were grouped under the Galaxy S section as a sub base, Honestly despite moving onto greener pastures the SL i9003 has always been my first choice in the android department, hence why I still keep my SLi9003 and why I would spend as much as it takes to keep it alive than any other higher tier class phones.
First, this thread means no threat, but ofcourse, this is General section and anything goes, The moderators have been doing a splendid job, and if anything what surprises me the most is the activity----in a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section, but a few things have irked me.
I have stood around in the Hillbeast thread and side with Dhiru's and both are what's "Hot" or what's keeping thing's alive here, in a place where development has met it's scarcity. I agree the moderators have done their job properly in keeping things in line where patience runs short considering both developers (Or might I recognize just one- Hey it's the truth, monkey see, monkey do) depend on each other's work to keep the phone in it's tip top shape, but why has the moderation been so strict?
If anything this is the Legacy & Low Activity Devices and we have been shot down from once a standard recognized phone, to the abyss of low tier phones, I would agree there is alot of noob questions being asked, and alot of ruckus about the recent events, but aren't we, the community to decide and voice our opinions out? I would agree the noob questions/statements need to be rubbed off from the thread but I feel the manner of erasing certain posts and thread has gone a bit---overboard and I feel this thread would meet it's match soon. Again, I mean no disrespect to the fine moderators who have done their job properly. I just feel someone had to state this out.
And why? A small share, I was told recently I had been featured on XDA and I didn't even know it (GTab 10.1) so I decided to Google myself, upon doing so, I had seen my threads been offlinked, copy pasted from the GT-i9003 section into other forums, usually I'd ignore this but I noticed most of them are scared to ask or post because of the strict moderation that goes around that too on a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section. Most of them require the tutorial guide in order to move forward to dhiru's ROM because everyone knows if you screw up while flashing a firmware, you end up having a screwed phone not worth having a "blessing" on. I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
This has just been going on for a while, and I feel I needed to say this, perhaps most of the community would agree with me on this.
Good job once again to the moderators. With all due respect.
thats really true ....
well said brother !!!
Hope Mods doesn't delete this topic also !!!
nicely said ! if it wasnt u, i would have posted such ! because things do seem to get out of hand ! before you kno it most of the important posts are deleted without the concerned developers reading it!
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nicely said ! if it wasnt u, i would have posted such ! because things do seem to get out of hand ! before you kno it most of the important posts are deleted without the concerned developers reading it!
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I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
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I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
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Ya especially feedback by senior member for hillbeast & not stupid feedback by stupid noobs who have recently joined this forum (who dont know history of this fotum).
@ misledz
Well said brother
@OP .. or anyone else ... care to explain all this in a more of layman's term. Just for literarily inept people like me.
What exactly happened? What was posted and then removed?
Only then I might be able to participate in this debate.
Flame me for my opinions but not for my questions.
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@OP .. or anyone else ... care to explain all this in a more of layman's term. Just for literarily inept people like me.
What exactly happened? What was posted and then removed?
Only then I might be able to participate in this debate.
Flame me for my opinions but not for my questions.
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More or less when we placed our expectations on HB we had hoped there would be more of a response than ignorance. Instead the posts got deleted, thread got cleaned and such.
@krazzy Wow I didn't think id' see you here too
^^ Now I see what exactly you're saying.
Even I felt that after months(weeks if you say so) of inactivity for a much awaited and critical development, asking for a ETA(disguised or not) shouldn't be considered a taboo/bane.
People (current senior members) knew(anticipated) this was critical to further development for this device, and decided to donate for a device to get a willing (note this word) and experienced developer to help in this project.
For new users , before posting anything, please understand that lack of development on this front is taking a toll on the very few developers we have for this device. I personally know a couple of devs, who could have helped in this development, if it really happened, who have moved on for greener pastures.
I repeat, these seniors who are (unnecessarily?) asking for ETAs aren't asking after a week from initial announcement/donation.
This is just my opinion, as I felt obliged to post it.
I agree with you:
Improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
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But it is also true that most of the time things are not done the way they should be. I'll use as an example Hillbeast's Kernel 3.x thread too:
Since the beginning, hillbeast stated users should use [Q/A] thread for inquiries and different stuff instead of the development thread, but people continued posting questions in that thread. At first, hillbeast answered almost every question; then, people started asking for ETA and such annoying things, and that's something we could not allow. Finally, moderators appeared and cleaned the whole thread, and now they keep it 'cleaned', also deleting questions not directly related with kernel 3.x development, which at first were more or less tolerated.
To sum up, the ones who worsened the situation were we, people who don't understand the current problems developers are facing, and that led to moderators deleting posts of people just asking questions because they are noobs or they want to know what's going on.
I know it because I've been in this forum for a year and a half (I am not a developer nor a contributor, so I try to keep quiet and just press thanks or give some feedback, that's why I only have a few posts), and i've been reading that thread regularly, at least once a day, since the first post.
I am not blaming anybody, I just think that the way moderators behave has its own reasons...
As we say in Spain, "Al final pagan justos por pecadores", that means something like: "In the end, pay righteous people because of sinners" (sorry for the translation, that's the only way I came up to express it.
Cheers!
@matapollos that's going as my status for the day ! And that has so much truth to it, I've been watching the HB thread ever since it started. Seen the people who took the initiative to help him but a developer is only as strong as the community that favors him, If anything HB should have kept his word, the community had kept theirs on the phone. It just feels---wrong? Yes you will help and answer but there's a saying in english, All bark and no bite. Actions should match what was preached.
As I just woke up and haven't had any coffee, I am not going to do anything with this yet until I have a chance to go through it properly.
OK, gotta run off to work, but here is something.
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I've been a loyalist to the SL i9003 forum, From the day the threads went up to when we were grouped under the Galaxy S section as a sub base, Honestly despite moving onto greener pastures the SL i9003 has always been my first choice in the android department, hence why I still keep my SLi9003 and why I would spend as much as it takes to keep it alive than any other higher tier class phones.
First, this thread means no threat, but ofcourse, this is General section and anything goes, The moderators have been doing a splendid job, and if anything what surprises me the most is the activity----in a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section,
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Thanks.
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but a few things have irked me.
I have stood around in the Hillbeast thread and side with Dhiru's and both are what's "Hot" or what's keeping thing's alive here, in a place where development has met it's scarcity. I agree the moderators have done their job properly in keeping things in line where patience runs short considering both developers (Or might I recognize just one- Hey it's the truth, monkey see, monkey do) depend on each other's work to keep the phone in it's tip top shape, but why has the moderation been so strict?
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I assure you that I am taking actions based on reports. I do not own a Galaxy SL so I am not here other than for mod purposes.
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If anything this is the Legacy & Low Activity Devices and we have been shot down from once a standard recognized phone, to the abyss of low tier phones, I would agree there is alot of noob questions being asked, and alot of ruckus about the recent events, but aren't we, the community to decide and voice our opinions out? I would agree the noob questions/statements need to be rubbed off from the thread but I feel the manner of erasing certain posts and thread has gone a bit---overboard and I feel this thread would meet it's match soon. Again, I mean no disrespect to the fine moderators who have done their job properly. I just feel someone had to state this out.
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I am taking actions based on reports entered by the community members here. Since I do not own a Galaxy SL I am not a member of any of the factions here.
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And why? A small share, I was told recently I had been featured on XDA and I didn't even know it (GTab 10.1) so I decided to Google myself, upon doing so, I had seen my threads been offlinked, copy pasted from the GT-i9003 section into other forums, usually I'd ignore this but I noticed most of them are scared to ask or post because of the strict moderation that goes around that too on a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section. Most of them require the tutorial guide in order to move forward to dhiru's ROM because everyone knows if you screw up while flashing a firmware, you end up having a screwed phone not worth having a "blessing" on. I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
This has just been going on for a while, and I feel I needed to say this, perhaps most of the community would agree with me on this.
Good job once again to the moderators. With all due respect.
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People scared to ask questions? Really? That would be news based on the number of questions that keep getting asked.
Can you give specific examples of your threads which have been copied to other device forums please?
As far as thread cleaning/deleting posts, I can promise that I have not deleted one single bit of "crucial" information.
I have to go for now, but I will continue this later. I want to work with you guys, but I also am required to do certain things for reasons you are not aware of. I am happy to explain them wherever possible.
Thank you,
mf2112
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@matapollos that's going as my status for the day ! And that has so much truth to it, I've been watching the HB thread ever since it started. Seen the people who took the initiative to help him but a developer is only as strong as the community that favors him, If anything HB should have kept his word, the community had kept theirs on the phone. It just feels---wrong? Yes you will help and answer but there's a saying in english, All bark and no bite. Actions should match what was preached.
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Well said Misledz.
My own recognize developer list have only one name still, trying to get it more, however, they still yet to be right.
i have once donate a SL to a XDA member(or Developer?), and now he's still not yet recognized by public (or XDA?) what is going on here at SL forum?
for the MOD, I think they are fair enough, rules is rules, it mean to be follow, but...still...... anyone missing Jay here ?:victory:
Another trend I've noticed, is the rise of the "unofficial" moderators.
People "spamming" on almost every post.
Best example would be a newbie on XDA asking for something like an ETA, and the damn post has 20+ replies saying Donot Ask for ETAs.
This was just an example.
I see that there are more of such posts, than that of regular queries.
This makes checking threads sometimes very much irritating. Opening a thread only to find out just another reply moderating previous posts.
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More or less when we placed our expectations on HB we had hoped there would be more of a response than ignorance. Instead the posts got deleted, thread got cleaned and such.
@krazzy Wow I didn't think id' see you here too
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brother i have always visit i9003 section when i visit xda
moderation shd be strict. so as to keep only usefull n informative posts. else we all will be lost in huge amt of posts.
SaeberTooth4U said:
moderation shd be strict. so as to keep only usefull n informative posts. else we all will be lost in huge amt of posts.
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I have to agree with you.
This forum is for developers. Testers and noobs are here as visitors and if they are looking around for information, they should search very hard before distracting the major contributors. Testing helps the devs, but harassment doesn't. Testing doesn't mean complaining about battery life. That is what spoiled children do. Thinking about yourself. People who have questions will always find the answer to their questions by searching. If there is no answer anywhere to be found (extremely rare), start a new thread in the General Section. It's simple.
I'm neither a developer nor a programmer. But I know my place and just say what's necessary and search very very hard before asking a question. At least I try. I think about the developers that use this forum to work on phones and don't appreciate it when someone who obviously has no interest in development comes and makes demands as though a ROM or a MOD or any feature or bug is the responsibility of these devs.
I find it crazy when I see non-devs here with hundreds of posts.
It would make much more sense for everyone to keep quiet and read. No need to comment on every thread you go through. ESPECIALLY if you're not developing or solving a problem.
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I have to agree with you.
This forum is for developers. Testers and noobs are here as visitors and if they are looking around for information.
I'm neither a developer nor a programmer. But I know my place and just say what's necessary and search very very hard before asking a question. At least I try. I think about the developers that use this forum to work on phones and don't appreciate it when someone who obviously has no interest in development comes and makes demands as though a ROM or a MOD or any feature or bug is the responsibility of these devs.
I find it crazy when I see non-devs here with hundreds of posts.
It would make much more sense for everyone to keep quiet and read. No need to comment on every thread you go through. ESPECIALLY if you're not developing or solving a problem.
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samisax, you have my sympathy! You have written exactly what I was thinking. It annoys me when I see people demanding things to developers, as if they were their employers...
At least in this thread I've realised there's still people with good manners that knows when they may ask for something from others or not.
I'm really really relieved. Thank you guys
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OK, home from work now. First, I am not ever going to infract or punish someone for expressing their honest opinion, as long as it is done in a civil fashion, so I definitely appreciate a good discussion.
To respond to this thread in a general fashion...I see vague complaints over a great many forums about mods doing this or that, or not doing this or that, but rarely any specific instances. We do have a thread in this forum: Moderators to assist should anyone want to bring up specific instances of problems. That means links so we can go there and fix the problems. Please feel free to use that thread. Please feel free to (continue to) use the report button as several dozen of you already have. I have several pages full of reports from this forum. Please feel free to PM me. Some of you have done this, I have received PMs from a number of members with requested actions of me. People have posted requests in the thread above as well. In fact that is really where this thread should have gone, but you don't really have specific examples, so ok.
So people here are reporting things which I am taking actions per the guidelines I have been issued by the Moderator Committee. "Strict" is all relative. I thought I had been strict but fair so far. According to other mods, including jayharper08, I have been too lenient. I am not sure how much "modding" the Galaxy users here want but I can state that the answer is not leaning towards "lenient" based on the number and types of reports I am getting. If people here didn't care, they wouldn't bother to report thread after thread, post after post.
Without any specific examples I can't really give you specific answers as to why I took whatever action I did, but I can tell you that my motivations for working many many MANY hours on XDA that have led to being a moderator were definitely not to close or move threads or posts from other users in other forums I had no real time or interest for given that I never owned or ever will own any of them, or to have to explain repeatedly that it is NOT OK to distribute paid applications here on XDA as this is a community of developers, some of which do make their living from writing software, and that piracy is stealing in exactly the same fashion as if it had been lifted off the store shelf and walked out with it, or to reluctantly hand out infractions to users after PMs and warnings proved not to be sufficient. We don't like to do this. Not one mod I have talked to enjoys having to discipline members, but the alternative is far worse. We are not going to let XDA go downhill like many other sites have done. There are community rules and the rules will be followed, for the benefit of all in the community.
Now, to answer this thread with a very specific example which in all honesty seems to the the *real* issue underlying most other issues in this forum.
Hillbeast.
First, can someone point me to a thread or something written down which says exactly what hillbeast was supposed to do and when? I don't want to prejudge the situation, but all I know so far is that several phones were purchased with pooled monies, one of which went to hillbeast, one went to dhiru (I think, not sure on this one), and one went to another (unrecognized?) dev that I can''t recall the name of who seems to have skipped. If there is something written down that gives me very clear guidelines on what was given and what was expected it would be very helpful here, instead of vague complaints and ETA demands, which frankly I did erase without a second thought.
I see several posts here in this thread concerned that I might have erased something important. I promise to every one of you that I deleted nothing that would remotely qualify as "important" or more to the point "relevant" to a dev thread. If there was anything even slightly technical or related in those posts, I would keep it and erase only the unrelated parts. I deleted the initial offending posts which were reported, then I removed the followup piling on posts, some of which went overboard and were also reported. When arguments start, both sides posts are going to be deleted. No one is more right from all evidence I have seen so far. Since I do not own this device and am not in any of the factions here, I am not taking any sides, but I will defend any members from unwarranted attacks or unsubstantiated claims.
I am not sure how many people here have even the faintest understanding of how real development works. Too many people I think have a completely wrong understanding based on ROMs they are seeing from "devs" that are nothing more than zip jockeys. Frankly, I doubt there is one person in 10,000 here on XDA that can really understand what hillbeast is trying to do. Without benefit of assistance from the manufacturer.
In fact, the manufacturer doesn't even want people doing this at all since it might cause them not buy the newest model phone.
So what I need here is the contract that was agreed to by hillbeast and the other devs and the members here. I can't go by anything vague or that isn't stipulated by 100% of the involved parties. I wasn't here when this deal was set up, but I promise to carefully evaluate everything and I will act fairly.
Thank you,
mf2112
EDIT: To be clear, I am not saying I am going to take an action here. My gut feeling as someone who has worked around software development for more than 10 years is that many of you guys are simply being too impatient. Especially given that hillbeast (despite the irony of his username ) is not an employee of anyone here to the best of my knowledge.
As far as how people want me to mod...well, I am not jayharper08 so I am not going to do things like he did. I can tell you that I don't want to run the forum. I don't want to go through all the threads and posts and find "modly" things to do in my not-so-spare time. When people report things then I come check it out and figure out what to do. Since people here report a lot, I am here more often, which is fine with me but some people may not appreciate. BTW, your thread was not reported, I found it on my own. :victory:
The above being said, I am human and I can make mistakes. If anyone has an issue then talk to me. If I did something wrong I will correct it. If you disagree with something I have done then let me know why (civilly) and I will explain to the best of my ability. You have no reason to fear talking to me in public or private. I became a mod to help people here, not harm them.
Mf2112,
Firstly I would like to thank you for taking the time to sit and read through this and place your points on the table along with your opinions. In a way the thread wasn't that hard to find (Considering the Triangle and the word "Moderator" brings people to see what's being said, pretty nifty tactic I learned over at the GNexus side LOL) as much as I would like to press thanks, the ever so wonderful system has permitted me from my daily 8 limit. And I would do so because this was more or less the response I least expected, in the sense, it's a good response, infact an unbiased one but touches all areas, like a pedophile checking his new victim.
Before I start this, I have no ill intention towards HB, but the whole ETA in the HB thread turned sour only because the agreement between developer (I would hold my word on the developer part) and community was made in exchange. Yes his help was sought out because we had believed that XDA is a place where people share their expertise. Do what is agreed upon (with a fair deal ofcourse) and we don't place any high expectations or hopes in such. But when it's been half a year, that's when things start to roll considering with each passing month, another flagship Class A/B phone get's launched, which is the initial reason why the ETA's went up in flames (But ofcourse this only applies to who ACTUALLY can do something with it). I would have agreed if HB had stated what he lacked, and why he was unable to provide so, he had done initially in the beginning, but when it was more of "Speak first, we listen, then show us what you have done" he turned all silent, which turned tides.
There were 4 phones donated, DoomLord, Fuss132, dhiru, codeworkx. Each of them presented something within a short time of the device they were given, I mean such is the expectation isn't it? I know pooling isn't a big deal considering its $5-$10 each person, but if the community was aware that there were going to be no results that would emerge then they would have donated to XDA instead and gotten a pretty gold star beside their name. I don't know if I'm being too emotional over $5-$10's, but when you climb up that harsh economy ladder from a third world country like most of us do, you suddenly get that feel of how important/valuable $1 is. (Consider the fact that some would find people crazy to spend over RS/PHP 20k over a phone where that would pay up for 1 semester of a College student)
I completely agree however of the mindless babble of those who submit no contribution but have high # of posts. It's insane. But with XDA having 5+ million online user's daily, It's hard to determine who helps and who doesn't. Which is why I've mentioned you have done a splendid job in clean sweeping the arena. Keep up the great work and sorry if this has gone a bit indepth.
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
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As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change
I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.
Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get
Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly
Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
@4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.
Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.
I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
finbaar said:
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????