I am not sure where to go to ask this but can we get some mod attention in threads. It is hard for a newb or someone to come into the dev section and weed through 100+ pages of fluff and stuff to try and figure out what's up with a ROM. Can we please get the mods to start modding?...a lot of stuff in a these threads can be removed and maybe consolidated. I must say I am getting frustrated trying to read threads to see if any of the ROMs have FFC capability in yahoo because it is not a major issue to some of the devs and it is one of the major needs I have so I try to read through threads to see if it was mentioned only to go page after page of nothing but chatting....
I am not trying to step on any toes or anything just asking if we can get some garbage clearing around the boards...
case in point 5 pages on a thread before a ROM was even posted minutes ago...I love that we hav an active community but...come on.
The mods work for free, do a decent job of removing things that actually violate XDA's ToS and there is a pretty kick ass search feature built in to the site. What may be idle banter and useless thread clutter to you is probably important, helpful information to the people involved in those topics. How many people see people discussing FFC issues or IM service issues and consider it a waste of thread space?
Not trying to piss in your puddle or nothin, but I like that everyone can discuss what they want and our voices aren't silenced arbitrarily by unpaid moderators.★
★Mods feel free to arbitrarily delete this post.
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The mods work for free, do a decent job of removing things that actually violate XDA's ToS and there is a pretty kick ass search feature built in to the site. What may be idle banter and useless thread clutter to you is probably important, helpful information to the people involved in those topics. How many people see people discussing FFC issues or IM service issues and consider it a waste of thread space?
Not trying to piss in your puddle or nothin, but I like that everyone can discuss what they want and our voices aren't silenced arbitrarily by unpaid moderators.★
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While I see your point....tell me how a person new to the boards can read through 200+ pages for one ROM?..search only goes so far...the development board is supposed to be about the development of a ROM not talk back and forth about a coming soon or mindless banter from several weeks ago just adding to page after page of nothing related to the ROM...like I said before glad we have an active community but would be nice at some point they work to make the threads little more manageable for readers. Some might consider it a waste of space but to be fair it is an issue related to the ROM not "are you gonna get that uploaded today?"
fair enough, though you could have made a backup, flashed a rom, checked yahoo, and restored in the amount of time it took you to make these posts, let alone read through several pages of a thread.
Well true that...fair enough although I am not weeding through the threads just looking for that and I also start at the end and work backwards...the mods do do it for free here but they took that upon themselves...
Easy steps for your problem
1. Go back to stock ROM
2. Unroot your phone
This should save you alot of time spent reading unecessary threads (such as this one)
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While I see your point....tell me how a person new to the boards can read through 200+ pages for one ROM?..search only goes so far...the development board is supposed to be about the development of a ROM not talk back and forth about a coming soon or mindless banter from several weeks ago just adding to page after page of nothing related to the ROM...like I said before glad we have an active community but would be nice at some point they work to make the threads little more manageable for readers. Some might consider it a waste of space but to be fair it is an issue related to the ROM not "are you gonna get that uploaded today?"
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Okay i'm going to bust some chops here.
1) The development community here at XDA has always been one of the top notch communities on the known planet. The devs around here do an amazing job. and i applaud them. they have done nothing less then amazing work, and they only thing they ask for is a "thanks" or a small donation... and rarely ask for money.
2) they have always started one thread per ROM design. Look at TeamRoyal they have several different ROM styles and several different threads. They use these threads as feedback. They read through them to see what people are saying so they can make changes accordingly. The one really long thread, will do more good for them then starting a new one per new ROM release.
3) the [OP] will 9 out of 10 times will include a log to indicate what has been fixed in the first post. We can quickly and easily use this to see what problems have been fixed. So reading the 200 pages will tend to be boring and pointless. But to the one person who sees __________ as being a problem can voice their opinion and see if anyone has a known fix for it.
4) if you are reading page one through x on a ROM that has 8 different updates you have no one to blame but your self. the earlier the post the lower version of the ROM it's related to. You ought to look for when the post was edited then go to the back back and start reading. And go backwards until you hit the date and time which the [OP] was edited. It's not rocket science.
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Easy steps for your problem
1. Go back to stock ROM
2. Unroot your phone
This should save you alot of time spent reading unecessary threads (such as this one)
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I lul'd with heartiness.
I see the OP's POV... But as a modder of these phones you kinda have to sit there and read hundreds of pages. All of this stuff is trial and error so i think what you see as useless clutter is normal and needed so that the developers can perfect these ROMs. Not to be a **** or anything but all this hacking isn't four everyone. And if you don't have the patience to sit and read through pages of stuff then he or she shouldn't be getting into all of this.
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I am not sure where to go to ask this but can we get some mod attention in threads. It is hard for a newb or someone to come into the dev section and weed through 100+ pages of fluff and stuff to try and figure out what's up with a ROM. Can we please get the mods to start modding?...a lot of stuff in a these threads can be removed and maybe consolidated. I must say I am getting frustrated trying to read threads to see if any of the ROMs have FFC capability in yahoo because it is not a major issue to some of the devs and it is one of the major needs I have so I try to read through threads to see if it was mentioned only to go page after page of nothing but chatting....
I am not trying to step on any toes or anything just asking if we can get some garbage clearing around the boards...
case in point 5 pages on a thread before a ROM was even posted minutes ago...I love that we hav an active community but...come on.
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Towards the bottom of every forum page, you will see a list of the moderators assigned to the forum. If you see some things out of place, please take a few moments to send a PM requesting a cleanup.
I completely agree with the OP. There are many useless posts on every single thread (sometimes to just say one word + 10char... That is not helpful to anyone at all, and neither are posts to just say "Thanks".. That's what the damn Thanks buttons are for), but it's pointless voicing your thoughts on this.. You will simply get bashed, told to go elsewhere or told that you don't appreciate the community's work.
I've learned that this is just one of those things you have to let go and just put up with it.
Not trying to get into a pissing match here, just pointing out that in the same sense of hitting the damn thanks button, moderators are listed and a PM system is in place. Posting a thread invites general discussion. If the problem truly exists with the moderators it should be privately discussed with them. By its very nature a thread in the general section is either a shot at the moderators or a shot at the community, neither of which are fair imo.
Why are some so ignorant and believe the world must cater to them, don't mind the other 100,000 ppl here... SMH
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I agree that often there is clutter and light-hearted banter stuck in the middle of otherwise-technical info. But you know, be careful what you wish for. If it's annoying or problematic to wade through a 200+ page thread, look at the flipside of the coin. I've been in many forums where, for one reason or another, problems and discord started to reign, with everyone having a problem with everything, and then after a while, they WISHED they could have threads with 200+ pages, since 3/4 of the people left in frustration.
As for the same info being in different places, other than some automatic, intelligent, self healing mindmap plugin to the forum software being available, this is what it is. Think of it as a magazine. Some ads, some fluff, but lots of great articles. Leaf through it, and enjoy.
Reading all those pages on development and rom threads have made it so I don't have to ask another repeated question and annoy our devs to the point of quiting. They make you more self sufficient with your phone and modding it.
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It's funny
You know its funny that this thread is asking to get other threads cleaned up. I'm just posting this comment to try and reach my 10 comments so I can post in the developer section. This is ****ing bull****. What a horrible policy.
You could always ask your questions in Q&A. Or post in General about whatever it is you wish to say. It's 10 posts, how much frustration can there possibly be.
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Why are some so ignorant and believe the world must cater to them, don't mind the other 100,000 ppl here... SMH
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I agree with you!! Nothing was handed to me on a silver platter. I did my own research and didnt ask for much help in return!! Yes the threads will have some clutter, Just seems like people are a little lazy these days and want the fast anser, or to have it done for them... Just Sayin
Ok............
Its generally not the done thing to go into a dev thread and start deleting posts unless they are seriously off topic.
In which case the dev would probably have told the offender to stfu anyway....
If however, there is a real need for a thread to be cleaned then have a look for your relevant mod at the foot of the page and drop us a pm.
Seeing a thread like this feels a little like a slap in the face to be honest. As mentioned we do this for free, in our spare time. I haven't been through here for a few days as I've been busy outside of XDA so I apologise if a few [Q]'s have built up in general or development but I'd like to think that any serious matters would have been reported.....
Also, it's possible to search an individual thread, saves you reading all 200 pages....
Not that 200 is a lot for a ROM thread
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This is a new phone with new users coming in here every day. I've seen he same one or two people here not answer a single question, they just say wrong forum or hey let me google that for you.
Way to foster a growing community.
I think everyone that replies should encourage people to search for themselves and put things in the proper forums.
I know it falls on deaf ears as most people want to be spoon fed - it is just to much work to read 30 pages of a thread to understand how something works - they just want the short answer. Then they complain when they miss a step and break something.
I agree. It seems like they just started recently. Ive had my phone since launch and it hasnt been like this. It does get annoying to see dumb questions but most on here its our first android phone ( backflip and aria didnt really cut it).
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I have just decided if you are a thread Nazi I will block you. I have 2 on my ignore list right now.
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I have just decided if you are a thread Nazi I will block you. I have 2 on my ignore list right now.
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If you don't know how to block people, let me know and and I'll google it for you ; )
J/k, don't block me.
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If you don't know how to block people, let me know and and I'll google it for you ; )
J/k, don't block me.
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This is a new phone with new users coming in here every day. I've seen he same one or two people here not answer a single question, they just say wrong forum or hey let me google that for you.
Way to foster a growing community.
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I do notice the large amount of people that seem to ask questions that have already been covered or start cloned threads that do not need repeated. You could view it as overly eager people who want to jump into the community before getting to know it or as people to lazy to do a search and/or read some existing threads.
Either way, I always felt ignoring the post seems to be a better option than making a negative comment. I think you are correct in saying this does not "foster a growing community."
Do keep in mind that it is sometimes hard to search for the correct answer or how to word a question when you are new to a subject. Back in my first few weeks of XDA on my old tilt, I felt a bit bombarded by new terminology and confusing tutorials. More experienced members should be able to determine if an OP is partialy ignorant or just plain lazy. I say when in doubt, ignore it.
Good post, Shovelhead. I agree with your comments.
I think another factor is that just now many people are just being introduced to smart phones. And that in turn probably is causing many new forum users to come on board. I mean new to forums, period. So they may not know the methods, and protocols expected.
It's interesting that I see in many forums that some people will expend more effort griping or castigating someone than it would take to just answer the question, or ignore the post/thread if it is one that doesn't interest them.
I actually am not familiar with the ignore option. I presumed that would just ignore if they sent you PM messages.
Can someone Google that for me?
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Good post, Shovelhead. I agree with your comments.
I actually am not familiar with the ignore option. I presumed that would just ignore if they sent you PM messages.
Can someone Google that for me?
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In efforts to prevent confusion, I was referring to a personal ability to ignore. I have not used any ignore features through the forum. I am currently ignorant to these features.
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In efforts to prevent confusion, I was referring to a personal ability to ignore. I have not used any ignore features through the forum. I am currently ignorant to these features.
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I put them on ignore so I don't say something banworthy to them. It's the best form of self moderation for me.
I understand your point, but having the developement section tampered with unnecessary threads hampers its readability. And to many it is fundamental to keep up with multiple threads in there.
I'm not the kind of person that goes around bashing new users, but I did notice an increase in such threads lately, and although "thread nazis" can be just as annoying, don't forget there's no personal gain for them in it: they're just trying to keep the forum as clean and readable as possible.
I mean, there is a reason to have a Q&A section: using it would actually make it resourceful for newcomers while keeping developement clean.
I actually would say there haven't been many "thread nazis" in the Captivate forums. I read development for the most part and there are MANY questions (hell half of them start with [Q] that have NOTHING to do with development, people just want a question answered for them) that just belong in Q&A.
Most of the people (most, not all) tell people that they are in the wrong section but usually still provide the answer in hopes of letting the thread die. asking how a command works in adb does not count as captivate-specific android development.
it's important to remind people that the development section should be left for DEVELOPING android on the phone or TESTING new developments on the phone (or thinktanks and the occasional request for apps that would have to be dev'd to get functional)
Has anybody tried to use the search since the redesign? All my searches come up with a hundred pages of nothing remotely related to what I searched for, and that's using all combinations of the advanced search. At least for me it's useless now.
This stuff here makes mad:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752670
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In my begginings in this forum I'm ashamed to admit that I acted like one too. But now what I do is when I see an out of place thread I reply very succinctly almost bordering on a terse response and then I suggest the Q&A section.
I then proceed to answer as many questions as I can for 5 min in an effort to make the Q&A section the best it can be and not clutter the rest of the sections.
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Has anybody tried to use the search since the redesign? All my searches come up with a hundred pages of nothing remotely related to what I searched for, and that's using all combinations of the advanced search. At least for me it's useless now.
This stuff here makes mad:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752670
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I find the search function works very well.
As for not liking references to google - I don't see the problem - OK, maybe you were looking for more specific information, but like all things, likes of forums is suggestive. So why not use google, search for Android forums, then pick the ones you like.
So many questions are answered by using google but no one tries that, so unless someone says "I have tried google, and only find X - but I want Y" then a response that says "try Google" is not out of line.
My $0.02 has always been this ...
We were all noobs once. When I was a noob I had enough sense to spend time and effort rooting around XDA to learn about my new (at the time) device before I started to ask questions.
Whether it's here, or on any other message board in cyberspace, that is the standard level of expectation that the senior members of the forum have. Experienced members want to help people and often spend a lot of time adding their experience to the forum, but they also want the new members to try to help themselves first. When they see someone ask a question that's answered in a 'sticky' at the top of the page or one or two posts below on the first page, it can be amazingly frustrating, and as others have said, it unnecessarily clutters up the forum.
So yes, sometimes people are harsh. Personally, if it at least looks like someone has tried to find and answer but can't figure something out, I'm always happy to help. Those who make their very first XDA post a question that has been asked and answered many times will get a 'search is a beautiful thing' response from me with a link to the post where the answer is. It's a subtle jab, yes, but at the same time the poster gets an answer. It's not meant to be a 'Thread Nazi'.
Hopefully that nudges them down the path of looking first and not expecting to be spoon fed everything, and to the realization that the forum doesn't exist simply to be a place to pop in and ask a question and go. Every time I pick up a new device and move to a new forum I see a ton of this ... one hit wonders that you never see again.
I I don't have a problem with that at all.
But what value does "hey you should have posted that somewhere else dumbass" provide. especially in "Dev"
I mean General is the catch all
Q&A is kind of basic
Themes and Apps are self explanatory.
I see dev section as the "hey I wanna break stuff" department. If the answer to a question could break stuff I say it's a dev question.
I agree with most remarks on here. I know i have been too harsh with post on here. But mainly after i read the same post in different threads. I agree that there are alot of newer members now that are lost in the threads lol. So im glad this thread was made and cast new light for me. Guess i need to be nice and more helpfull.
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I agree with most remarks on here. I know i have been too harsh with post on here. But mainly after i read the same post in different threads. I agree that there are alot of newer members now that are lost in the threads lol. So im glad this thread was made and cast new light for me. Guess i need to be nice and more helpfull.
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Well well Smoke seems like once again we are on the same device lol. Ill be working in this forum more closely cleaning things up and trying to help point new users in the right direction.
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Well well Smoke seems like once again we are on the same device lol. Ill be working in this forum more closely cleaning things up and trying to help point new users in the right direction.
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Yes this rocks!!! I guess my talks with a few people worked Glad to see ya here
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
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Ryan
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I commend you. I could imagine your task at hand is like trying to clean up the streets of St Louis by yourself. It has become anarchy here, just people running their mouth with no consequence. You deleted one of my posts because it became off topic, I was actually happy, because it was deserved.
My only suggestion is consequence. I know it's hard to really "punish" someone over the internet, but any kind of action should be taken to breaking the rules.
Thanks for taking your time just to read post over post, just to see if people are following rules.
Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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You're welcome. See you around
I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
Old MuckenMire said:
I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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Sadly that's the way it has always been, there are always those users who are on here to simply tear people down and complain. Maybe its boredom but its something that has always bothered me as well. Not sure there's much anyone can do about it however, unless they are flaming and posting rude comments that's when the mods can do their thing. If enough complaints are reported about certain users then action is also justified so don't be afraid to let us know.
I'm gonna improve the sticky I put up in the dev section to include more info for noobs and see if that helps.
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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No problem man, and I'm not trying to rat people out either. I just wanted to show an example of what has been going on. A lot of members here(even me included at times I'm sure) have been acting like this is our forum instead of us all acting like guests here and treating others as guests as well.
It's so hard to clean things up and police them, what one person feels should be asked in a thread for a specific ROM another person feels should be in the "general" or Q&A section.
If I'm having a "general" (ie battery, GPS, etc.) issue after I flash a ROM I'm going to look to that ROM's thread for answers - I find that if I post something in the 'general' forum about a specific ROM I get all kinds of answers from folks running different ROMs or that are not rooted and, while I appreciate the help, I don't think that somebody is as able to help unless they are on that particular s/ware. Isn't battery life and/or GPS a development issue if a lot of people are having that problem? Spin off to a new thread, reduce clutter, and post a link to the thread in the OP. (then you can at least chastise somebody if the info is in the first post which should ALWAYS be read in its entirety).
I think it would be nice if a developer would put in the OP a couple links to specific threads that have been started that are talking about specific issues w/a specific ROM. Right now the CM7 development thread has spawned a couple different troubleshooting threads, but there is no link in the OP to those.
On one of my previous ROMs the OP had all kinds of links to help threads and FAQ, etc.
I also think that the old "if you can't say something nice...." saying should be rule #1 - it would save a LOT of issues when somebody chimes in and says "how do I.....?" and somebody else responds with "why don't you try reading/searching, etc." - why can't they just take the same amount of energy they used typing that snide comment and instead point in a helpful direction?
I understand the frustration, I too get tired of the same Q's being asked over and over again but I've also failed at the "search" on the site and had to have people guide me, especially when it's something I'm new to, like Netflix, etc.
Now I'm just rambling......
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I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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I really doubt it will.
I can see what everyone is saying. I've been involved with Android phones since day one and have been active on several boards for many years now.
I was with T-Mobile for over 15 years and am a Pillar on their boards, so I've spent alot of time there.
I've used XDA for some time now with the G1, G2, Cliq, MyTouch, etc.
When I got the Thunderbolt, I came to this forum and I noticed a very different "air" about this forum as others had pointed out. I found it kinda odd since the phone was so new.
One thing that I did notice was that "moderation" (and I know everyone is busy around here) is not as, for lack of a better word..."swift" around here. On most other boards I am on (and also ran), rules violations were not tolerated and handled very quickly with "Time outs" being given out to minor offenders and outright bans given to major offenders.
That being said, as other have said, unless there is a consequence for an action, the behavior will continue.
Not sure what can be done to help monitor this board better, since I do not know how all of it is handled internally, but I think if there was more of a moderator presence (as in jumping into a thread and posting about staying on topic or watching language, etc). Maybe the "bad boys" will just get tired of not being able to "terroize" anyone anymore and just leave.
Just my two cents.
2 issue's that see on this board (and others) -
1. Anyone that ask a question already posted is immediately called a N00b and slammed on.
2. Just cause someone has low post count they are called N00b (yep happens to me on this one)
It seems that there is no patience by many user's on answering questions (if you don't have kids wait till you do, you will be answering them many times over) why get so flustered cause people ask questions, whether or not they have been answered. Not everyone is a N00b because of low post count (I know I'm not and can hold my own anytime) I also don't act like I know everything either. Some people can't let things go either.. if you don't like it why respond? just ignore it. A little common courtesy goes a long way folks. Also folks asking for things to be fixed ASAP on newly released Roms and refuse to use them until they are or they ***** and complain over and over about the issue. Just a question, do you act like this at home or deal with things like this at home with programs you use? All software has issue's if you think they don't or your the perfect programmer, you don't belong doing this. Even major software and telecom companies have bugs that happen that are not always caught on release. Its normal and if you can do better and want everything perfect, then start programming!
I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
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I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433
i commend you for this ryan but it's gonna take more than just you to make xda a better place to be. the issue is instead of people just answering questions, they always say "search" .....what a waste.
the other issue is this site seems to be run by the members and not the devs, nobodies hardly on here anymore it seems. it also takes forever for a mod to show up when you report something. now don't get me wrong i love xda for the freedom i have to an extent, i also do not want a police state like android central is. there has got to be a medium somehow.
i wish we could of talked about this earlier, i hate the fact soo many devs have left the tbolt section.
I'm glad to see an effort is being made, it's going to take work from everyone.
Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169292
As a rooted user, this post would just be a waste of space and pretty offtopic. For an unrooted user, you're going to get the obligatory "ORLY???" type posts from rooted users because to those that rooted, this is old news (either because they already got the update ages ago or they changed their boot animation to something custom).
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Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
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i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
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i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
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I'd say probably 20% that come here don't root. I have no idea why either when they could go to more general forums for android out there that aren't so development/rooting focused. I really don't have much empathy for them when they complain about things being broke/not having fancy new features, but eh, each to their own. They would be better off complaining to the source (verizon) than complaining on here cluttering up the forum, since most of their issues cannot be fixed without doing what the refuse to do.
With that being said, a seperate forum would let them figure stuff out without getting in the way of those that did root.
Sorry, but I have to ask, what would make someone go into a DEVELOPMENT section of a forum (when there is a General Section available), open up a DEVELOPMENT thread, hit the "post reply" button, and type "@ work but will download and flash later" or "I'm sitting on the john right now, but soon as I wipe my ass I'm flashing this bad boy! "?!? It seems like some of the members (no offense, but mostly noobs and recent members) have been spending so much time on SpaceBook and MyFace, (done on purpose) that you're unable to switch modes when coming to an online site where nobody really gives a rats bottom about your play-by-play shinanagans. Simple "this doesn't work" or "this mod sucks/rocks" is all that's needed in a Dev thread.
To get to the point, how bout people stop posting their damn "status" in DEVELOPMENT threads and at the very least, save that nonsense for HERE, the General Section.??? It'll make life here on XDA so much more enjoyable. This is just my opinion of course, but I'm sure I'm not alone.
~B.E~
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Eh, I'm a noob, so I'm not sure if my opinion is valid/matters, but I sort of agree. I have never been on a forum where every single thread (dev section) gets to well past 30 pages. Heck, on the other primary forum I'm on, 30 pages instantly makes a thread legendary, and here it's the norm. I definitely agree that there's way too many people who post simple updates like "downloading right now will report later" and to be honest I did that a couple times. I stopped though and haven't posted recently in the dev section because there's way too much of that going on. I avoided the dev section for like 2 days, came back and checked the thread of the current ROM I'm using and the discussion had advanced by like 10 pages. Makes finding the useful information extremely difficult and I basically gave up (who knows, maybe there's a useful tidbit about how to improve battery life for my specific ROM that I'm missing?).
@The Janitor Mop...
My point exactly. It makes finding fixes and what not such a pain because you're forced to read thru all the nonsense (200+ posts) to find the one post you needed. Its ridiculous and only seems to be getting worse. A Dev Thread should be a useful tool...for development...(imagine that). I'm no developer but I can only imagine how frustrated I'd be if I checked my thread for bug reports and had to wade thru that madness.
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I'll read your cool story bro when I am done drinking my brew dood.
Couldn't agree more.
I'm going to reply to this thread right after I flush...
Alright cool, so what were we talking about again? Oh yeah, you're absolutely right. I can't stand reading so many short pointless messages when trying to find bug reports when a new release is out. Something needs to happen about this.
EDIT: Ahh ^ stole my shtick
I agree 100% I now dread going into dev section and heaven forbid you miss the one page where a fix is answered you get your head ripped off cause you didn't search! Damned if you do eh?
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Perhaps it's the difference between the US and the rest of the world. I personally like to have a community that communicates and likes to have a bit of banter. If the ROM threads were just 'this is cool' then it would be INSANELY boring.
And if a fix is issued then really it should be added to the OP (which 9 times out of 10 it is). Yes, pointless posts shouldn't be up but there's NOTHING wrong with people talking about the ROM in its relative thread if it's ROM related
Anyway, gotta get back to Facebook
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Sarcasm is a wonderful tool.
I agree that there should be community like posts, but NOT in the dev section.
I mean really, a 700 page thread need usually only be 25 pages long.
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I agree 100% I now dread going into dev section and heaven forbid you miss the one page where a fix is answered you get your head ripped off cause you didn't search! Damned if you do eh?
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N I bet u whoever tries to rip you is the one just posting random/useless info in the thread
#realness
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I wish I could "like" your status.
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N I bet u whoever tries to rip you is the one just posting random/useless info in the thread
#realness
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Damn I really hate to do this as it is extremely OT, but your sig would be funnier if you wrote faux gee instead.
Back to the topic. About having people praising roms in their respective thread, isn't what the thanks button is for?
I like to believe that the rom threads should be a place to help other users work bugs out or offer tips and suggestions. Nothing more, nothing less.
When? Maybe when XDA added the Twitter and Facebook buttons next to the titles of threads. (And the Facebook share button doesn't work either)
Thank you for bringing this up. I too am tired of having to weed through pages of one sentence "WOOT downloading now!" Twitters before finding anything important and meaningful.
It is almost as if the dev section should increase the minimum number of characters in a post (a lot). This would also force people to provide more details about their problem rather than "I flashed and doesn't work. What could be wrong?"
This is really problematic for me as well because I manually read through every page of every thread in Dev because if I just used the search button there'd be less to complain about in /general.
/sarcasm
I don't do this but I don't see why it's a big deal either. Important fixes get added to OP's and search finds your keywords, no matter if people post things that are not useful to you in the same thread...It has no bearing on my ability to find information but to each, their own!
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Dev threads have been like that for as long as I can remember. It is especially bad when awaiting a new nightly for CyanogenMod.
I do agree with the OP to an extent. Too much crap cluttering up ROM threads. A little is expected, especially when a ROM is updated, but it can be annoying.
I agree this has been going on for a while. Every thread in the dev section can lose 75% of the posts and still make sense.
As for bug fixes, etc. being posted in the OP, I think some devs need to work on that. Sure, they post changelogs and updates but there are some questions that get asked a million times. If devs took the time to just copy/paste some of these exchanges into an FAQ in the OP it would help. Some devs are better at these types of bulletins than others. Of course, it doesn't help that most noobs never check back to the first and second posts before asking a question. Things won't change.
Just wiping my ass at the moment but when I'm done I will be sure to press thanks.
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This is yet ANOTHER reason that we as users should be able to RANK DOWN unhelpful and wasteful comments.
Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178362 for more information.
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Sorry, but I have to ask, what would make someone go into a DEVELOPMENT section of a forum (when there is a General Section available), open up a DEVELOPMENT thread, hit the "post reply" button, and type "@ work but will download and flash later" or "I'm sitting on the john right now, but soon as I wipe my ass I'm flashing this bad boy! "?!? It seems like some of the members (no offense, but mostly noobs and recent members) have been spending so much time on SpaceBook and MyFace, (done on purpose) that you're unable to switch modes when coming to an online site where nobody really gives a rats bottom about your play-by-play shinanagans. Simple "this doesn't work" or "this mod sucks/rocks" is all that's needed in a Dev thread.
To get to the point, how bout people stop posting their damn "status" in DEVELOPMENT threads and at the very least, save that nonsense for HERE, the General Section.??? It'll make life here on XDA so much more enjoyable. This is just my opinion of course, but I'm sure I'm not alone.
~B.E~
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umad? I personally think that it doesn't matter. I don't see it as something to get bent out of shape about. Sometimes it actually adds to humor or entertainment to the post. I think you need to get some stress relief in your life, player.
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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In theory it sounds great. However people will not post there for reason they dont post in proper sections here.
The real issue is this, the community is divided. I left the Optimus V because Virgins coverage sucks for me. I really wish I could have kept the phone and plan and the main reason is the community. At AC I swear the people there help everybody. Even if it is a question already asked. Somebody will pipe up and offer a link.
Im guilty as charged in attacking a n00b for being stupid. However witht eh cost of the Optimus V and the extremely cheap plan many people was buying the phone to tether and have cheap internet. And Most of those people were clueless as to what the hell they were doing. In most cases a friend told them about the phone and plan and how easy it was to root and start tethering. As a end user you dont want those people creating issues for your service. So if your rude and refuse to help they go away.
But right now I can point you to at the minimum of five threads where the community is helping the noobs and letting the devs do their thing. If a dev needs to address something they do. Otherwise the community answers questions. The biggest reason for this is changelogs, instructions, and all that stuff is never deleted just updated. Even if the rom has evolved to a new level. The old info is still posted so people can find out what changed in the various releases. Plus even after somebody asks the same question ten others have asked patience is exhibited and answers are given.
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.They are looking to get a answer for the problem at hand. Most of them will go away if pointed in the right direction. However when people start piling on flaming them for not searching properly it just creates more spam in the thread and drives them away. Then you have people that talk major **** about how xda is a bunch of arrogant f*cktards.
Plenty of people do help in my observations. Im new and signed up only to help people. Answered a 'noob' question before making this post, amd I was nice about it too.
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
If the answer to a simple and eady to answer question is out there and can be found by a search, and someone asks the question anyways after being told that is what they should do in yhe futurethat is laziness, not ignorance. And getting on their case is not arrogance, some of those asking questions have high enough post counts here, they should of learned how to make their own way by now.
I should also add that I have no programming experience, and have only been using a smartphone for 3 months. Yet I have never had to ask a question about how to install a rom or fix a brick. Because I searched for the answer, and everyone else should too.
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The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
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Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question. Yesterday I searched for something I had seen posted the search results..stated they were updated 10 minutes before I had searched. How is that even possible?
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
Not every person that comes here for answers is a dev or wants to be a dev.
@ eollie: I have a great idea... quit talking about it and writing these long unnecessary posts and start helping. Lead by example! Maybe others will follow suit since you seem to think people don't help others on here. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these LONG posts?
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question.
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I generally bookmark posts that contain information relevant to my interests that I may not be able to commit to memory at the time. Yes, some get changed but most are because the information is wrong or outdated. Another post nearby most likely holds updated info.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I spent three hours tearing apart a rom to find a wallpaper used on the lockscreen. Im not a dev nor am I a themer but even doing a search for where lockscreen wallpaper is located kept directing me to widgetlocker and those types of apps. A week ago I would have just posted here in hopes somebody would point me in the proper direction. Instead I just sat in front of my computer for three hours because I didnt want to deal with the responses.
Your smartass response...well its not so smart.
@lumin30 dude seriously if you dont like my posts ignore them. Im sorry the community here is absolutely horrendous in helping people. Prime example is the post I have quoted above. Instead of taking what I was saying and using it logically he took it literally. I wasnt asking where I was using a simple example of what I have seen here. Then he even attempted to insult me with his last comment.
Im not here to make friends or enemies. Im here lookig for ways to better my android experience. When that experience is hampered because some tool wants to be a internet badass it pisses me off. Especially when in the process of berating somebody they prove how ignorant they really are. Most people that post here are human beings once in a while you will get a spam bot but 99% of the time you are dealing with a human. Some are old enough to be your grandparents others your teenage brother/sister.
POST REMOVED for sake of preventing a four paragraph response!
wow.....
i really could say something towards this thread for you guys to feed on, but i'll just shut my mouth and just say one more word.
wow.....
now what's the title of this thread again? sorry, but reading all this here made me forget. and sorry for yet another 4 paragraph response.
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
MY RESPONSE: OK
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
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And you just cant let it go can you? I apologized to him and he has accepted it. See adults work things out and accept mistakes and apologies. I guess a child like you just wants to keep the friction and tension high so you appear to be superior. Regarding my not following my own advise in ignoring people..I find your posts in response to me very amusing. You just can help yourself and not respond. Your like a woman arguing to get the last word in. You just cant help it. I would say Im look forward to your response but honestly its not fun anymore you are too predictable.
lumin will post within the next ten minutes rebuting me.
Your name calling, swearing, and the chauvanistic and defamatory comments you just made speak on your behalf. Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
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Im glad you feel that way. I have seen it first hand tho. You even did it in your initial post to me. Tried to insult me via your last comment. Good god its like people cant see past their own nose. Im guilty as charged in smashing noobs with a bat. But Ive never claimed to not do it. I just think sometimes it is not necessary.
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@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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High road exit was before you posted to me initially. Getting back now will be a long process or winding mountainous roads. Dont forget to enjoy the view along the way tho. There is some awesome put out points to take pictures.
as much as i'd hate to say this, but i see this thread getting deleted before the weekend.
itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device. trust me, i've checked the mytouch 3g slide forums (my fiance's device) and the galaxy tab 10.1 forums (my next device) and have yet to see what goes on here on those forums. seems to me MOST people with this device are nothing but spoiled little teenagers that are spoon fed all the time. it's no wonder the devs are dropping like flies. if i was a dev, i would leave also. sorry for ranting on your thread itz, but felt this was the best place to put in my 2 cents worth.
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now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device.
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I mentioned it before but a lot of people ignore wikis because they are typically out of date. In the beginning people will update them regularly and then just stop. However after some time looking around I can say the SGS4G wiki is just the opposite. Tons of info and for the most part easy to navigate. Which brings up another problem with wikis. The ability to navigate it easily and endless loops of redirects. Again the SGS4G doesnt appear to suffer from that.
Maybe instead of the sticky posts with thread links we could get a single thread with wiki links. That way info is updated and people are spending an hour navigating through search results within one thread. In my mind this makes sense just putting it in print is eluding me.
Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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The fact it is personal and exposes peoples real identity is what makes it awesome. Most of the people here wouldnt act the way they did if they were made to use real name and such. Being anonymous has so many advantages and disadvantages.
Can I just point out that I started a thread with a guide to flashing and is intended to help the devs buffer the questions to that thread
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It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum?
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back on the actual topic, since it has once again been derailed by the self-appointed thread police....
Devs are not leaving us only for the reasons you stated. Some of that may be part of it, but it's not the sum total...
As for Facebook page... feel free to create one, and I wish you the best of luck.. as one of those 'weird' people who doesn't use Facebook, i won't be coming to visit it...
Firstly i'll admit this may come off as a rant, but i will be making some valid points that i believe need to be addressed
Secondly, i really don't care if anybody finds this offensive because well points need to be made and sometimes they have to be bluntly made.
Thirdly, i'm sure many of you will agree with me on these points.
Fourthly, @Mods i understand this may come off a bit harsh to some people but again things need to be said.
Finally, please enjoy this read
Well here's the story of how i ended up writing this thread, ever since the Galaxy S3 came out many of you probably noticed that i was constantly helping people every single day, basically answering the same questions day in and day out. For a while i was fine with that, but the past few months i've almost ceased posting entirely, why you ask? Because answering the same questions everyday when their are plenty of stickies, and plenty of threads already asking those exact questions just got tiring and frustrating. Its very simple to search the forums as well as google, and to post a thread asking about a problem that can be answered by simply looking 1 to 5 threads down is just laziness and not needed. I understand people want answers quickly, but sometimes where you post these issues becomes an issue as well.
Issues #1: READ THE ORIGINAL POST (OP)
Example A: Bajee11 brought rootbox to our phones, and now he's closed his thread. Why? Because people couldn't just read the original post and keep non-development talk out of his thread.
Thread can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134052
If you read his original post right below the downloads section is a Non-development | Discussion | Support banner in big bold letters with a link to where non-development talk should be discussed, simple enough to read and understand. Its not hidden away at all, so their should be no reason why somebody can't see it.
What happened? Somebody flashed the i9300 (european) rom onto their i535 (verizon) phone. And essentially bricked the phone (wouldn't boot up) and that user posted about it asking for support. (ALL posts in their have since been removed so i can't show them to you but please take my word for it)
At this point, support should not be asked in the developers thread when he's stated not to post non development stuff in his thread.
But that's now what happened, people started helping him which is nice to do, but again in the wrong place. And posts continued which clogged up the thread and made things more difficult. Eventually the developer asked that it be stopped and taken somewhere else so that his thread wasn't clogged up with that junk, and this is what happened.
Originally Posted by Internet Guy
Don't be a ****. This forum is here to not only provide Roms and various tools for android users, but also to provide help when needed.
Take a chill pill, friend.
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Bajee11: Dude, this is my thread so I expect the rules to be followed. I have over 20 threads to maintain and I don't want to come back here for every single post when it's not development related. You guys have no clue how hard it is to track bugs when users don't follow any rules and specially when you got several devices to maintain. Not only do you not know what a development thread is, you even take on me for pointing out this not the right place for bricked phone discussion? This is why XDA has different sections for these kind of things and users like you should learn that. Anyways, closing thread.
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Somebody goes and decides to challenge him instead of being respectful and taking NON ROM DEVELOPMENT talk somewhere else, it could've easily been dealt with in PM's, or searching the forum, or help me god making yet another thread about it.
This user that had an issue could've solved his problem by simply looking at this sticky thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079399
Why is this a problem?
Well quite frankly the people that were using the Rootbox rom now have to sit, wait and wonder whether support will continue for D2VZW or if they should move on, just because some people couldn't read the OP and follow the simple requests, and had to feel the need to then challenge the OP instead of just respecting him.
Oh but that only applies to one rom my rom is fine
Have you ever tried to figure what bugs are in a rom only to be forced to read a million posts that aren't related to that rom at all but instead somebody doing something stupid resulting in user error not rom error? I know i have, its so frustrating to have to skim through 20 pages when in reality if people could keep things where they belong we wouldn't have that issue. Once you flash something that's not stock on the rom, ANY BUGS that occur are not the roms fault, because their is no way of knowing whether whatever you flashed caused it or not.
Flash a different kernel, then have x,y,z errors? Post in the KERNEL thread about it, i guarantee you'll get more kernel support their than in the Rom thread. You could make a simple post in the Rom thread and say "hey guys i flashed X kernel and now Y isn't working, just letting others know" Bam end of story, its simple, alerts other users and keeps thing clean.
Okay so that's one post but i see a million of them, okay well lets say User A posts that, then users B-Y post irrelevant nonsense then user Z posts the same thing as A, that's why you see it a bunch. Because B-Y or a combination had irrelevant information in their posts.
Solutions:
Option 1: I realize this is hard but please people have some respect and self control and keep posts where they are relevant. Or maybe the mod's should just start warning/giving infractions to people that can't obey the rules and have some damn respect when a developer asks you to please take business somewhere else.
Option 2: Instead of cluttering up the development thread, go make some thread in Q/A even though that'll go against my second issue it'll be better than clogging up relevant rom information/development, that users want to see. I'm sorry but if you brick your phone flashing something that's not meant for your phone that your own damn fault for not reading what you're download and flashing.
Option 3: If you can't read the OP then you shouldn't be rooting your phone. Honestly folks its not hard to read the OP, its their for a reason, not for you to skip down to the downloads link, flash the rom, and then say "X and Y are missing" when in the OP it clearly states they aren't there. And what do you know that's one more useless post.
Time for me to take a breath...
Issue #2: Not using the search function
I realize this may be hard for people to understand but its their for a reason, not to just look pretty. Its sole purpose is to try and keep things clean and help users to find helpful information. How many of you use google search everyday? i know i do, probably over 100 times a day and its very helpful, so i KNOW that you other users have used a search engine before, so why not use the one on XDA? Its not rocket science and its got plenty of options to help you narrow stuff down.
Hell even before you post a thread, it'll automatically search for relevant threads related to your title.
Notice: When you enter a thread title the system will search for similar threads which have already been posted. That should help you to find answers.
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Now tell me are you blind, or do you choose to ignore it? I'm guessing its the second one. Or maybe people are too lazy to just read the titles of threads, i guarantee you whatever issue you are having somebody else has had and already got an answer for it. Obviously we can't force people to use it, but please people, google is your friend, the search bar is your friend.
Solutions:
Option 1: Up the post requirement for development sections, i know i know this probably will be hated but its clear that it's needed. People still can't seem to just get it right anymore. Maybe if they have to spend a little more time actually using the forum they'll actually start to realize all these helpful things around them.
Option 2: Can we just start banning people? haha i kid i kid. But seriously, can we give Rom developers the right to edit posts in their respective threads, so if they deem something as pointless, then bam deleted
At this point i'm out of breath and tired from staring at the screen.
But i'll leave with this 99% of errors are user errors not rom errors. Yes that's right i'm blaming the users, because hey its your fault for messing something up. I flash rom's everyday and yet i don't have these crazy errors that others have, but hey i'm flashing stuff that's meant for my phone People really need to stop being dumb and start reading the OP it contains so much information, i swear some of you will flashing anything even if in the OP it states "THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR PHONE" and guess what, you'll flash it anyways because you're too lazy to take ONE minute to read it. You could read while making your nandroid backup, oh hey that's a great idea And when you have an issue, just use the search function.
I understand we were all noobs at once, but still... like i said, most issues are user error.
TLTR:
-Please read OP's
-Please use the search bar
-Please post issues in their respective threads
-Please don't post irrelevant nonsense in development threads, that's not the place for it.
-Please if you flash anything not stock with the rom, don't blame the rom.
-Please post rom issues in rom threads, and kernel issues in kernel threads.
-Please if you do something stupid, keep it out of the rom/kernel thread.
-Please read stickies, they contain more information than your heart desires and will help you in the long run.
-Please try and understand where i am coming from
Oh and again, i don't care if i offended some of you.
-NeverEndingXsin
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Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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On accident. I'm so used to replying with a quote that I forgot not to.
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bobAbooE said:
Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
Neverendingxsin said:
The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
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Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Obaterista93 said:
Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Its a damn shame things go down like that. But i can't blame the developers for getting sick of it. People expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter, but that's not how life is.
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
PureMotive said:
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
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Thanks As a user myself i find it hard enough to deal with, as a developer i imagine its a whole lot worse. Just trying to make things a bit easier for you guys!
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
luis86dr said:
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
Neverendingxsin said:
I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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Keyword: "If" i doubt that would ever happen
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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llama555 said:
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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Not even that they won't find the thread, but they'll just skip over it. And then anyone that actually opens the thread most likely won't bother to read this OP either...
That's the truth
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
Neverendingxsin said:
Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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Shouldn't be necessary in the first place. My entire point is that people should be reading OPs and showing respect for them.