Hi all,
I recently updated my 'unrooted' HTC Desire S from HTC Sense 2.3 to Sense 3.0. Ever since then the phone has been acting up and become slower in general. Is there any way to downgrade the phone back to Sense 2.3 without rooting as I am really skeptical about it, and please nobody say "oh it's fine it's safe" because nothing anyone, or anything, can say to persuade me. (No disrespect)
I have been to countless shopfronts that might have the slightest thing to do with mobile phones and on many occasions I have gotten the answer people have successfully done this in the past. I, and many other people as I have seen from other forums really want to downgrade without rooting.
If anyone can give me an answer, any help, or even a point in the right direction that would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Ronald
It might be worth waiting for sence 4.0 as it surpose to be a lighter version of sence so should run better. Im on 3.0 too and find it a bit sluggish at times but there should be an update soon.
Hi Ronald,
it is possible with a temporary root, that is not modifying your device. Look for a downgrade guide in the index.
You need zegrush exploit to gain temp root in order to change the main version (to "trick" the device that you are updating it while actually downgrading), then use the oldest RUU available for your brand/region. This process will leave no trace that the device was ever manipulated. Keep in mind that this process will also delete all your data and installed apps.
Good luck
Sent from my HTC Desire S
Take ammibudha's advice. Your phone will be just like from the box, like 1 year or so ago, when you bought it. Don't be affraid, you still will be able to receive OTA.
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Were the weather sounds only.introduced in 3.0?
scorpionatthepc said:
Were the weather sounds only.introduced in 3.0?
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It was more than an year ago when I got the device (it was my first Android) but I remember that I was impressed by the weather animations and I think that the sound was present too. But I am not completely sure about this.
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Uhmm, i think they didn't.
If I remember correctly, i had to disable weather sounds in weather app with the very original ROM. It was like 1 year ago, when i bought my phone. Weather widget was making that funny weather soudns.
But im unsure about clock with weather.
I found that sense 2.1 had smoother scrolling between home screens because it didn't have that stupid 3d carousel effect. I also found that the weather sounds were better quality than sense 3.0 ones. the update to 2.3.5 improved the smoothness and scrolling within apps. I found that everything apart from the scrolling between home screens is smoother on sense 3 I still don't think it's worth going back to sense 2.1 though
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Don't like that stupid rotating cube effect.
I build software for downgrad Sense and HBOOT.
I need 10 posts for publish...
Thanks for the advice
scorpionatthepc said:
It might be worth waiting for sence 4.0 as it surpose to be a lighter version of sence so should run better. Im on 3.0 too and find it a bit sluggish at times but there should be an update soon.
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Hi, thanks for the advice but I'm pretty sure that htc have stopped releasing updates for the desire s aside from some minor bug fixes but not OS changes. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks again,
Ronald
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amidabuddha said:
Hi Ronald,
it is possible with a temporary root, that is not modifying your device. Look for a downgrade guide in the index.
You need zegrush exploit to gain temp root in order to change the main version (to "trick" the device that you are updating it while actually downgrading), then use the oldest RUU available for your brand/region. This process will leave no trace that the device was ever manipulated. Keep in mind that this process will also delete all your data and installed apps.
Good luck
Sent from my HTC Desire S
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Thank you so much for such a quick reply. If possible could you please send me a guide to this temporary root. Also could you tell me what differences this root has from the conventional root and does it have any devastating risks like normal rooting such as bricking one's phone, because if that's the case I would have to consider paying $100 or so for a 3rd party phone repair specialist to do the job, that way if anything goes wrong their liable and not some guy that failed to root his phone [me].
Regards
Ronald
The major difference between this root and conventional is that this one is temporary. Once you've rebooted, you're no longer rooted. You could easyly do it yourself, check the INDEX and search for "downgrade hboot without using htcdev unlock". Considering your mainversion (2.10 or higher) you should use zergrush for 2.10.xxx or tacoroot if > 2.10.xxx.
RonaldLeeLongTing said:
Hi, thanks for the advice but I'm pretty sure that htc have stopped releasing updates for the desire s aside from some minor bug fixes but not OS changes. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks again,
Ronald
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Theres suppose to be an ICS update this month which includes the new lighter version of htc sence.
custom roms are the best
using blindbean, waiting for bluetooth to get going
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I am wanting to root my Thunderbolt strictly for the purpose of changing my system fonts and possibly removing Verizon's bloatware/crapware - is there a "1-Click" method of rooting my Thunderbolt available that would do that AND leave my phone as close to "stock" as possible? By "stock", I mean with all the same (or, most of the same) HTC Sense applications, wallpapers and skins that it has now? I particularly am fond of the HTC dialer, the HTC e-mail app and some of the included HTC skins.
I am a tractor-trailer driver and am leaving tomorrow morning. I probably will not be back until Friday and would like to do this tonight, if possible. I am new to rooting and don't know much about doing it yet, but I will learn all I can about it as soon as is possible. I would, as I said, like to root this thing tonight, if I can - I want to get those fonts changed!
Thanks,
Dennis
dmw_4814 said:
I am wanting to root my Thunderbolt strictly for the purpose of changing my system fonts and possibly removing Verizon's bloatware/crapware - is there a "1-Click" method of rooting my Thunderbolt available that would do that AND leave my phone as close to "stock" as possible? By "stock", I mean with all the same (or, most of the same) HTC Sense applications, wallpapers and skins that it has now? I particularly am fond of the HTC dialer, the HTC e-mail app and some of the included HTC skins.
I am a tractor-trailer driver and am leaving tomorrow morning. I probably will not be back until Friday and would like to do this tonight, if possible. I am new to rooting and don't know much about doing it yet, but I will learn all I can about it as soon as is possible. I would, as I said, like to root this thing tonight, if I can - I want to get those fonts changed!
Thanks,
Dennis
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I do not believe that there is a working 1-click root method for the Thunderbolt. But the tutorial on the development section of the forum and a youtube video by nat3mil on youtube are two great resources, you will need to spend about 15 minutes reading and watching, and the process takes about the same amount of time. It is really much easier then it looks.
IMO the easiest way to root is using the Auto Root posted on AndroidCentral in the forums. I don't know it would be appropriate to post a link to another forum but if you want an easy easy way to root I'd suggest trying that out. It's easier than any other root method I've seen so far.
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IMO the easiest way to root is using the Auto Root posted on AndroidCentral in the forums. I don't know it would be appropriate to post a link to another forum but if you want an easy easy way to root I'd suggest trying that out. It's easier than any other root method I've seen so far.
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yup that's the method i used and while lengthy it does the trick.
I also used the auto root and it worked for me.
the android central one root method will leave you essentially at stock mr1 plus root, su, and maybe one or two other things. you will retain all stock htc apps, skins, widgets, etc.
Hi guys,
going to get a HTC Sensation today, played with it in a store and its basic functions appeal to me more than Galaxy S2.
Ok the S2 had that extra bit of "snappiness" about, the Sensation felt heavier both in physical weight and response
Anyway, couple of questions:
- can i remove any of the 7 homescreens?
- any guaranteed way to increase the snappiness/response on stock ROM?
- can i remove any apps i don't need (used system app remover on my old SGS1)?
THanks!
1. No. You can use a different launcher
2. Yes, custom ROMs and/or overclock
3. Yes, but you need root
¤Violets are red,
Roses are blue,
Wait, what?¤
In short: yes to all of the above.
You would mainly resort to install custom ROMs.
The first ROM I tried was Senseless 2.5 and the phone visibly flies. YMMV. Feel free to browse around!
Even if you don't want custom ROMs, you can still just root and remove the apps yourself (read a bit before removing apps that may break Sense)
edit: Sorry, misread the first question. As idavid_ said, to edit the homescreens just use a different launcher. If you want it to be fast and customizable, try ADW.Launcher
thanks for the replies!
senseless certainly seems quick probably because it doesn't have....sense?
but sense 3.0 is one of the main reasons i got the HTC and i would like to keep and use it...i'm not a fan of quadrant benchmarks and dont really care about numbers but if i can make the phone a bit quicker what ROM do you recommend?
i usually look first at the ROMs that have most replies/views and that seems to be Revolution HD...which theoretically means it has the largest user base right?
last but not least i'm waiting for it to charge above 35% so i can install the 2.3.4 OTA update...maybe that's a bit snappier than 2.3.3 it came with...
oh couple of things:
-can i just update weather without having to use location services all the time?
-the HTC unlock site seems to list the Sensation as supported for bootloader unlock...should i do it? would this make rooting & installing custom ROMs easier?
- does any of the custom ROMs include the new "enhanced" camera apk&profiles that allow up to 40mbps bitrates?
zerozoneice said:
thanks for the replies!
senseless certainly seems quick probably because it doesn't have....sense?
but sense 3.0 is one of the main reasons i got the HTC and i would like to keep and use it...i'm not a fan of quadrant benchmarks and dont really care about numbers but if i can make the phone a bit quicker what ROM do you recommend?
i usually look first at the ROMs that have most replies/views and that seems to be Revolution HD...which theoretically means it has the largest user base right?
last but not least i'm waiting for it to charge above 35% so i can install the 2.3.4 OTA update...maybe that's a bit snappier than 2.3.3 it came with...
oh couple of things:
-can i just update weather without having to use location services all the time?
-the HTC unlock site seems to list the Sensation as supported for bootloader unlock...should i do it? would this make rooting & installing custom ROMs easier?
- does any of the custom ROMs include the new "enhanced" camera apk&profiles that allow up to 40mbps bitrates?
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2.3.4 update is definitely faster than 2.3.3, so do it.
And answers:
1. Unless your city is on the list, then no
2. You have to unlock the bootloader if you want custom ROM. However, do it with Revolutionary (revolutionary.io). That way HTC won't know that you unlocked it and won't void warranty because you can reverse it (read the sticky in development)
3. Not sure about that, but you can get it in any ROM if you install/flash it
¤Violets are red,
Roses are blue,
Wait, what?
I have no idea what I'm saying,
But you lost the game¤
thanks man, will try more tomorrow!
got the 2.3.4 OTA, it feels a bit faster already...
also screenshot function now seems to work, it didn't before in 2.3.3
one thing i noticed after using it for couple of hours: it will really warm my pockets in winter!!!!
let's see how the battery is doing after a couple of charges....by the way, is a factory reset needed after installing 2.3.4 OTA?
Alright, so in the past I've owned an HTC HD2 that I was able to Android on by stumbling though the posts here, a Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant that I was able to root, albeit slowly and clumsily, and also my fiancee's old HTC Mytouch 3G. It has seemed though that after rooting and flashing a custom ROM on each phone, a few months later, problems begin to arise. The phone will start lagging, freezing, crashing, etc. It becomes unresponsive at times, won't receive or send calls/messages at times, etc. Now, I readily admit that this is most likely my fault due to my inexperience, so this raises my next question.
Should I attempt to go S-off and what not with my Sensation? Is it worth the risk? Could someone walk me though it, like leading the blind lol, as where to I won't make any mistakes?
A little background, I love my Sensation, and I really like the Sense 3.0 UI, though some of the widgets not updating, such as Friend Stream and News, is really rather aggravating.
So, with my history of rooted/custom ROM phones going bad, and my being mostly satisfied with my Sensation, should I bother going S-Off and rooting? Will I notice a great improvement in performance? Do any ROMs out there offer a version of Sense 3.0?
Thanks for you help, it is greatly appreciated,
Signed,
A lost noob
The whole process is easier than the hd2. It's a must for me there are plenty of roms and they all will improve the speed of your device
You can overclock your cpu to 1.5 like the processor was intended to be used. Go in to the development thread and there's a noob guide in stickies, read it a few times and go for it its easy and safe if you follow every step.
Roms are installed from sd via cwm like on the hd2
Get reading if your stuck ill help you the best I can.
Sent from my CM7 Sensation XE using xda premium
Alright, will do, thanks for that.
It'll have to wait a day, I called T-Mobile today to get a replacement phone, as I have dust under my screen, they're sending me a replacement next day air, should arrive tomorrow. That is pretty damn good service if I may say so. Though I have to keep the original back, a shame, as it has a couple nicks that bug me to no end.
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Alright, will do, thanks for that.
It'll have to wait a day, I called T-Mobile today to get a replacement phone, as I have dust under my screen, they're sending me a replacement next day air, should arrive tomorrow. That is pretty damn good service if I may say so. Though I have to keep the original back, a shame, as it has a couple nicks that bug me to no end.
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Be careful, as I almost rooted my phone two months ago when ROM's started flying around this forum. Thankfully I waited, since I am now on my third replacement Sensation because they have all developed dust under the screen. If you root it, dont expect to be able to return it. You better REALLY like that dusty look if you do!
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Be careful, as I almost rooted my phone two months ago when ROM's started flying around this forum. Thankfully I waited, since I am now on my third replacement Sensation because they have all developed dust under the screen. If you root it, dont expect to be able to return it. You better REALLY like that dusty look if you do!
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So wait and be sure that I have a good phone and don't root until I do, ok, lol, thanks.
Assuming this is the guide in question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
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Be careful, as I almost rooted my phone two months ago when ROM's started flying around this forum. Thankfully I waited, since I am now on my third replacement Sensation because they have all developed dust under the screen. If you root it, dont expect to be able to return it. You better REALLY like that dusty look if you do!
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But you can go back to Stock ROM without root an S-ON. I had to return my device, so I flashed the stock ROM and went back to S-ON. It was no problem at all...
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Assuming this is the guide in question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
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Apart from Revolutionary not working for three times and CWM not installing through Revolutionary everything went fine. If something doesn't work as expected just google it - there is someone out there with the same problem.
I tried a few ROMs and kernels out there and i can strongly recommend Bulletproof due to its stability. The best about it is that it's stock based (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1214023).
It will work even better with the Bricked Kernel (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668) and system tuner of the market. I am using the new 1.2.5 test-kernel (it's unbelievable fast).
There is only a issue with the camera causing an fc. But you can fix it using the sense 3.5 hack from faux: http://www.multiupload.com/7BIGBQTDLF
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Apart from Revolutionary not working for three times and CWM not installing through Revolutionary everything went fine. If something doesn't work as expected just google it - there is someone out there with the same problem.
I tried a few ROMs and kernels out there and i can strongly recommend Bulletproof due to its stability. The best about it is that it's stock based (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1214023).
It will work even better with the Bricked Kernel (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668) and system tuner of the market. I am using the new 1.2.5 test-kernel (it's unbelievable fast).
There is only a issue with the camera causing an fc. But you can fix it using the sense 3.5 hack from faux: http://www.multiupload.com/7BIGBQTDLF
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Yeah, hopefully I don't run into any problems, I'll end up bricking my phone if I do...
As for the ROM, I've been strongly considering Android Revolution HD.
I have never rooted a phone before now. The process was so simple, if you follow the guide correctly. I'm on Android Revolution HD 3.6.2 and loving it. Very fast a stable, no issues or force closing.
Just remember to back up everything.
Hey all,
I was intending to ask this question in the Android Revolution thread, but on account of my new-ness, the system wants me to ask it here. That said, I did search the thread for keywords, and it doesn't look like anyone has discussed / addressed this issue from the angle I'm inquiring about.
(Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849&highlight=encryption)
Basically, I've read a lot of people talking about not wanting to have to enable whole device encryption on their phones, and it appears that there was some complication with how Exchange policies tried to force them to. I'm approaching this from the opposite perspective. I want to enable whole disk/device encryption on my phone, and I'm wondering if, and if so why, the feature is removed in ICS roms.
I'm a bit of a security freak, and whole disk encryption is something I'd like to have on the phone. So is this something that has been taken out intentionally (implying that there's no demand for it, and a rom won't likely bring it back), or is it just a compatibility issue (suggesting that someone might be working on it, and I just need to sit tight).
I'd finish by noting that I've never really had much success getting a response on XDA. If I'm approaching this wrong, please tell me.
Did you manage to sort this in the end?
It seems that HTC have removed this feature from the stock ROM for no real reason other than to force you to update to a newer phone if you want it.
I can't even S-OFF mine with Revolutionary so if I just had a patch to enable this feature on the stock ROM (I have the HTC Dev unlock working fine) that'd be excellent.
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Did you manage to sort this in the end?
It seems that HTC have removed this feature from the stock ROM for no real reason other than to force you to update to a newer phone if you want it.
I can't even S-OFF mine with Revolutionary so if I just had a patch to enable this feature on the stock ROM (I have the HTC Dev unlock working fine) that'd be excellent.
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Nope, unfortunately not.
Nobody seems to have (or want to share) an explanation to this issue. To be frank, I find it somewhat odd that there has been complete silence on an issue that is so fundamental to mobile security.
But, as mentioned, no luck figuring this one out. I'm using Revolutionary now, it works great, but no whole disk encryption.
No one cares about security around these parts by the looks of it.
CM9 has disk encryption apparently, as should any ICS ROM not based on Sense 3.6. I have the latest HBOOT but I've just found a guide which should help me run CM9 on my phone anyway, so I'll give that a shot and see what happens
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No one cares about security around these parts by the looks of it.
CM9 has disk encryption apparently, as should any ICS ROM not based on Sense 3.6. I have the latest HBOOT but I've just found a guide which should help me run CM9 on my phone anyway, so I'll give that a shot and see what happens
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yes..try other roms..as the stock ICS roms and custom sense ROMS didnt have this feature afaik
so mobile security is your concern and if it is a must have thing
you can flash cm9 as you said it has that feature
and also with just unlocked bootloader and 3.32 firmware you can flash any custom rom ..and i think i no need to link the guide to you too as it seems you have already found it
good luck
Got CM9 running fine but the data encryption doesn't work at the moment. I just get a picture of an Android robot in half and nothing happens. Hopefully this will be fixed for the upcoming release candidate, we will see.
Hello,
currently i'm experimenting with custom roms, and i started thinking about stock 2.3.5 with sense 3.0.
Are there any NO NO reasons why not to use it ? (Such as vulnerability etc).
I have feeling that battery on 2.3.5 was amazing, camera was better than on ics etc..
No, none whatsoever
"It is better to have a permanent income than to be fascinating."
- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
I had overall better feeling of my phone while using 2.3.5.
It's 50/50 because there are also improvements such as GPS reception, better gmail app etc.
I have the same feeling as you, but the curiosity to experiment new things, makes wanna try another roms leading to always the same conclusion.
Despite all the hard work and improvements in other roms, 2.3.5 is the stable, fast and the only rom that can give confidence for a daily use, but thats my opinion of course
The only thing that i've felt is better in new custom roms is the wifi recepcion, and even in that, it's not a very major big improvement, the wifi in this phone was never very good.
Unfortunatelly there are some apps (such as Chrome) that won't work with 2.3.5. I need chrome, because it's only browser in which i can open AIS (academic information system).
Other browsers fail.
Was thinking about buying new HTC one. But this "support" that HTC cancelled after 2.3.5 for our devices tells me NO NO, don't buy HTC again.
So by now i'm sticking with ICS :/
Again, i agree with you. I love this phone but always get the feeling that HTC don't really care about costumers.
Before HTC i was a very huge fan of the 'Finland guys', devices never failed on me (but doesn't mean they're perfect of course) and now i know for sure what phone i'll buy next and it's not going to be an android (again, nothing against android itself, it's an amazing OS) but i'm not an fan of Samsung and HTC have disapointed me.
In my opinion they don't explore the full capacity of they're devices, and when they forget the devices, they are forgeting the people that have bought it.
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But this "support" that HTC cancelled after 2.3.5 for our devices tells me NO NO, don't buy HTC again.
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For me the main reason to install the custom ROM was the stock ROM: I have neither Facebook nor Twitter accounts, so having to scroll half the screen to skip the "social" fields of the contact info to finally reach the actual contact data was an overkill for me. At the same time, I could use HTCDev to change ROM with zero chance of bricking the phone. Sure, HTC could care more about their customers, but we have already got IMHO more then others.
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What did you install ?
Btw, you can remove system (read un-unistallable) apps such as facebook, twitter via Titanium Backup. But you need root.
Despite i'm defending 2.3.5 i am also on ics, ICE DS v8.0 Rom.
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What did you install ?
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CM 7.2, then beta CM9 and finally CM10.1. I really like CM.
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Btw, you can remove system (read un-unistallable) apps such as facebook, twitter via Titanium Backup. But you need root.
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I didn't know. Still, I needed newer Google Talk.
And FWIW HTCDev-Unlock still is wonderful way to root your device without doing some stuff you either don't fully understand or feel not very comfortable with. That is: I stick with HTC just because of HTCDev. I don't really mean that this is the reason for everybody to switch to HTC devices, but this POV is pretty much reasonable IMHO.
CM 10.1 - you mean flinny's builds ?
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CM 10.1 - you mean flinny's builds ?
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Exactly. Though it may change soon, as I have an uncommon problem with them.