I have received an 'infraction' from an XDA Moderator know as "Fallen Spartan".
As the thread is now edited by him, you can't see my post that he described "spam". The thread although is here.
The story is, Fallen Spartan had just asked everyone on the forum to stay on topic. Somebody then put a GIF (he quotes it was a PNG, he is wrong) of Michal Jackson eating popcorn at the movies right after his "stay on topic" post. I then replied "Yes, that's really staying on topic, thanks" and I received this notice.
Our regular Atrix forum mod is Mr. Clown. He has been a good mod so far and does what is necessary. Now we have this new guy, Fallen Spartan...
I want to know how to report him, as I believe he is abusing his XDA responsibility.
If you think I'm crazy, and he did the right thing, please say that also.
Thank you.
~BM~
PS: Here is the message I received from Fallen Spartan
Fallen Spartan said:
Dear BravoMotorola,
You have received an infraction at xda-developers.
Reason: Single Post or Low Level Spamming
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Going off topic when I asked everyone to stay on topic
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This infraction is worth 3 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.
All the best,
xda-developers
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=XDA-Developers:Administrators
http://www.xda-developers.com/contact/
http://www.xda-developers.com/contact/#abuse
maybe those might help?
I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.
I have looked at that thread, and it does appear to have members consistently taking the thread off topic.
That is a DEVELOPMENT thread, and I see a fair bit of persistent off topic. The thread was derailed persistently, and it's a very important thread for users of the Atrix. there were numerous requests by members to keep it clean of junk, and this didn't happen.
The correct course of action here is to not reply or continue the off-topic, and hit the report button at the top right of the posts.
Also, you will find Fallen Spartan is in fact a member of the MC, and thus more than capable of dealing with cases such as this.
An infraction is a warning or "reminder" not to do something again, and does not cause any restrictions or other consequences.
pulser_g2 said:
I have looked at that thread, and it does appear to have members consistently taking the thread off topic.
That is a DEVELOPMENT thread, and I see a fair bit of persistent off topic. The thread was derailed persistently, and it's a very important thread for users of the Atrix. there were numerous requests by members to keep it clean of junk, and this didn't happen.
The correct course of action here is to not reply or continue the off-topic, and hit the report button at the top right of the posts.
Also, you will find Fallen Spartan is in fact a member of the MC, and thus more than capable of dealing with cases such as this.
An infraction is a warning or "reminder" not to do something again, and does not cause any restrictions or other consequences.
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here we are for to learn or enjoy with our devices, some times its funny, somtimes it´s serious, but i think here we aren´t for to discuss badly or to give the orders gifs to joke of some comments...
These situations must be cut and the MODERATOR is the manager of it, he chooses how to finish it
sohanlon07 said:
I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.
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That sounds a bit too negative. I would like to add that this forum and site is fantastic. I have learned more about Android in a few weeks on this site than I would have trawling through manuals and websites. The work people put in to this site is commendable and that includes the moderators. Where else would you get such passion, innovation and good advice? So keep up the good work all and apologies if my comment sounded too negative.
The Mod asked people to stay ontopic. So you responded to an offtopic post with another offtopic post. You get told not to do this through an infraction and you whine about it? You sound like a 5 year old crying because someone else got some chocolate and your parents wont buy you some too. If you have a complaint go through the correct channels and try not to sound so self entitled. Live, Learn and move on.
sohanlon07 said:
So keep up the good work all and apologies if my comment sounded too negative.
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under my opinion, your comment don´t sounds negative, and it´s the true... i think there isn´t any development forum better than XDA for develop or learn...
i´m spanish user, i talk a little bit english languaje and soo poor lol... and there are a lot of forums in spanish web but not so complete as this one, i believe that it does not cost anything to take care of this web and to follow the procedure of use..
Yes, you are correct, it was a gif file, not a jng. My mistake, but that had no relevance on me giving you an infraction
I understand your feelings about receiving an infraction and I know Mr Clown may let things slide, but you have to understand we received numerous complaints about that particular thread going off topic so I felt we (the mod team) needed to intervene. I cleaned the thread and left a gentle reminder for all to please abide by forum rules and keep thread on topic. Now the following 3-4 posts where the exact opposite of what I was hoping for. Yes, the first was in good nature, but it just encouraged everyone to do the exact opposite of what I said. No actions go without consequences and if I let those posts slide with no punishment other members would see this and also act inappropriately. Instead of you carrying on off topic and posting your post, all you had to do was report the post above you. But in turn your post also encouraged others to post off topic. I hope you understand my reasons. I do not go out actively dishing out infractions, but I will when I see it necessary. You only received a 3 point infraction which is not a permanent record against you, if is just a gentle reminder to abide by our forum rules and it will not be held against you if any further instances arose.
As for you reporting me, please do if you feel you have been harshly punished. Contact site admin mikechannon and he will look into my behaviour.
All mods have to abide by the same rules as you and everyone else.
Best regards
Rick
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The thread which I cleaned had over 15 pages of posts. After I cleaned it this number was reduced by half.....hence why we received so many complaints about thread in question and why I took action. Normally I would leave it to the FSM for that forum (Mr Clown), but unfortunately he wasn't online at the time
sohanlon07 said:
I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.
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I'm sorry you feel this way. Let me know of any examples and I will investigate them
Rick
BravoMotorola said:
I have received an 'infraction' from an XDA Moderator know as "Fallen Spartan".
As the thread is now edited by him, you can't see my post that he described "spam". The thread although is here.
The story is, Fallen Spartan had just asked everyone on the forum to stay on topic. Somebody then put a GIF (he quotes it was a PNG, he is wrong) of Michal Jackson eating popcorn at the movies right after his "stay on topic" post. I then replied "Yes, that's really staying on topic, thanks" and I received this notice.
Our regular Atrix forum mod is Mr. Clown. He has been a good mod so far and does what is necessary. Now we have this new guy, Fallen Spartan...
I want to know how to report him, as I believe he is abusing his XDA responsibility.
If you think I'm crazy, and he did the right thing, please say that also.
Thank you.
~BM~
PS: Here is the message I received from Fallen Spartan
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As one of the site's administrators, I am supposed to have some sort of decorum in the way I approach people, but this "new guy" as you call him has been part of the moderating team in this site for a very long time. As some others said earlier in this thread, infractions are just a reminder that you are doing something that is against the rules. Not cooperating with moderators is against the rules. In this particular case, Rick did nothing more than to clean a development thread from clutter posts and specifically asked that posts on that thread be relevant to the conversation taking place. You decided to reply to an OT post with another OT post (I honestly don't care if it was a png, a gif, a jpeg, or whatever format of image you used, so please don't hang on to trivial things in the matter). You went ahead and added a post that was not related to the thread's main subject, effectively going against a direct request from a moderator. It is the equivalent of being pulled over by a cop for speeding and left off with a warning, and the first thing you do the moment you turn on your car is to go from 0-100 mph in 10 sec right in front of the cop. What did you think was gonna happen?
At this point in time, I will consider this matter closed. If you come across a real injustice by a moderator, please feel free to contact either mikechannon or me.
Thanks.
These forums would be unbearable and unusable without the mods and the good work they do. All i see are kids with entitlement issues who need to learn how to moderate themselves better.
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As one of the site's administrators, I am supposed to have some sort of decorum in the way I approach people, but this "new guy" as you call him has been part of the moderating team in this site for a very long time. As some others said earlier in this thread, infractions are just a reminder that you are doing something that is against the rules. Not cooperating with moderators is against the rules. In this particular case, Rick did nothing more than to clean a development thread from clutter posts and specifically asked that posts on that thread be relevant to the conversation taking place. You decided to reply to an OT post with another OT post (I honestly don't care if it was a png, a gif, a jpeg, or whatever format of image you used, so please don't hang on to trivial things in the matter). You went ahead and added a post that was not related to the thread's main subject, effectively going against a direct request from a moderator. It is the equivalent of being pulled over by a cop for speeding and left off with a warning, and the first thing you do the moment you turn on your car is to go from 0-100 mph in 10 sec right in front of the cop. What did you think was gonna happen?
At this point in time, I will consider this matter closed. If you come across a real injustice by a moderator, please feel free to contact either mikechannon or me.
Thanks.
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As I say "new guy" I mean "new guy" to the Atrix sub forums specifically. I see some people here saying what he did was his choice and it is fine that he did it, and a couple that think it was too much or thinks that a lot of the forum moderators are being more strict...
I know that this infraction is no big deal at all, I've known that all along. Regardless, I fell as I am being yelled at. And no matter a "big deal" or just a "warning"...I don't think it was at all necessary.
It doesn't seem to myself that I am making a big deal, but maybe I am and I just don't realize it. I won't report anyone. I don't want to try to over power anyone because I can't. And even if I could, now that I've calmed, I wouldn't. I don't want to make anyone mad, and I don't want to waste my time.
Maybe I just need to realize some moderators are more strict than others, so I should follow the rules closely at all times.
Thank you for your post, and please do close this thread.
~BM~
Thread closed by OP request
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Alright, here's how it is. As predicted, the Sensation 4G forums have exploded with both development and new users. While a good majority of us here are from other devices/have been around XDA for awhile as this is an advanced device, there are also many, MANY new users here aswell. As such, the following apply not only to new users but to EVERYONE:
1-READ AND ABIDE BY THE XDA RULES.
2-READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING *ANYTHING*.
3-*ALWAYS* USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE POSTING A NEW THREAD.
4-POST QUESTIONS STRICTLY WITHIN THE Q&A SECTION.
5-IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AMISS, REPORT IT, *DO NOT FLAME OTHER USERS*.
Now onto the meat of this announcement. Moderation within the S4G forums are about to be kicked up a notch. Flaming has become a real problem around here, and will no longer be tolerated in any way. Simply put, you flame, your post gets deleted and you get infracted. No chances, no taking it back.
Now you may be saying, "o derp, i dont care about infarctions. tey dont meen anything". Keep this in mind, get enough infractions...and you get permabanned.
tl;dr-ANY user seen flaming, for ANY reason WHATSOEVER, WILL be infracted, no questions asked. If you see a user either flaming or being flamed, please use the report post function and send any of your moderators(myself, badwolve1 or benko) a PM and let us know what is going on. Likewise if you are being flamed, please speak up and let us know whats going on but DO NOT flame the flamer back.
Likewise, now that we have S-OFF and ROOT there is NO REASON that threads relating to either of these things that isn't about their development or enhancement, or a SPECIFIC problem you are encountering should be posted. If you have a general QUESTION about either, please post it within the Q&A forum. If you have development for either, post within the DEVELOPMENT section, of course be sure to adhere to the naming guidelines within the dev forum if you do so. New thread relating to ANYTHING about S-OFF that isn't development/issue related WILL be closed, and repeat offenders will be infracted.
tl;dr for the entire post-read and follow the rules and everything will be peachy.
This thread is closed and this subject is not open for public discussion. If you have any beef, please PM me directly here at XDA.
Word.-ashasaur
Alright, here's how it is. As predicted, the Sensation 4G forums have exploded with both development and new users. While a good majority of us here are from other devices/have been around XDA for awhile as this is an advanced device, there are also many, MANY new users here aswell. As such, the following apply not only to new users but to EVERYONE:
1-READ AND ABIDE BY THE XDA RULES.
2-READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING *ANYTHING*.
3-*ALWAYS* USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE POSTING A NEW THREAD.
4-POST QUESTIONS STRICTLY WITHIN THE Q&A SECTION.
5-IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AMISS, REPORT IT, *DO NOT FLAME OTHER USERS*.
Now onto the meat of this announcement. Moderation within the S4G forums are about to be kicked up a notch. Flaming has become a real problem around here, and will no longer be tolerated in any way. Simply put, you flame, your post gets deleted and you get infracted. No chances, no taking it back.
Now you may be saying, "o derp, i dont care about infarctions. tey dont meen anything". Keep this in mind, get enough infractions...and you get permabanned.
tl;dr-ANY user seen flaming, for ANY reason WHATSOEVER, WILL be infracted, no questions asked. If you see a user either flaming or being flamed, please use the report post function and send any of your moderators(myself, badwolve1 or benko) a PM and let us know what is going on. Likewise if you are being flamed, please speak up and let us know whats going on but DO NOT flame the flamer back.
Likewise, now that we have S-OFF and ROOT there is NO REASON that threads relating to either of these things that isn't about their development or enhancement, or a SPECIFIC problem you are encountering should be posted. If you have a general QUESTION about either, please post it within the Q&A forum. If you have development for either, post within the DEVELOPMENT section, of course be sure to adhere to the naming guidelines within the dev forum if you do so. New thread relating to ANYTHING about S-OFF that isn't development/issue related WILL be closed, and repeat offenders will be infracted.
tl;dr for the entire post-read and follow the rules and everything will be peachy.
This thread is closed and this subject is not open for public discussion. If you have any beef, please PM me directly here at XDA.
Word.-ashasaur
Alright, here's how it is. As predicted, the Sensation 4G forums have exploded with both development and new users. While a good majority of us here are from other devices/have been around XDA for awhile as this is an advanced device, there are also many, MANY new users here aswell. As such, the following apply not only to new users but to EVERYONE:
1-READ AND ABIDE BY THE XDA RULES.
2-READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING *ANYTHING*.
3-*ALWAYS* USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE POSTING A NEW THREAD.
4-POST QUESTIONS STRICTLY WITHIN THE Q&A SECTION.
5-IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AMISS, REPORT IT, *DO NOT FLAME OTHER USERS*.
Now onto the meat of this announcement. Moderation within the S4G forums are about to be kicked up a notch. Flaming has become a real problem around here, and will no longer be tolerated in any way. Simply put, you flame, your post gets deleted and you get infracted. No chances, no taking it back.
Now you may be saying, "o derp, i dont care about infarctions. tey dont meen anything". Keep this in mind, get enough infractions...and you get permabanned.
tl;dr-ANY user seen flaming, for ANY reason WHATSOEVER, WILL be infracted, no questions asked. If you see a user either flaming or being flamed, please use the report post function and send any of your moderators(myself, badwolve1 or benko) a PM and let us know what is going on. Likewise if you are being flamed, please speak up and let us know whats going on but DO NOT flame the flamer back.
Likewise, now that we have S-OFF and ROOT there is NO REASON that threads relating to either of these things that isn't about their development or enhancement, or a SPECIFIC problem you are encountering should be posted. If you have a general QUESTION about either, please post it within the Q&A forum. If you have development for either, post within the DEVELOPMENT section, of course be sure to adhere to the naming guidelines within the dev forum if you do so. New thread relating to ANYTHING about S-OFF that isn't development/issue related WILL be closed, and repeat offenders will be infracted.
tl;dr for the entire post-read and follow the rules and everything will be peachy.
This thread is closed and this subject is not open for public discussion. If you have any beef, please PM me directly here at XDA.
Word.-ashasaur
Got some cleanup requests already, so I figured this might help.
The thing with dev thread "spam" is that it is really in the eye of the beholder. :cyclops:
Ultimately it is up to us mods of course but getting some guidance by the devs would be helpful. We can do a thread cleaning on request of the OP, but what I view as "spam" is not necessarily the same as wardfan220's definition of spam. Or the OP's definition of spam.
Everybody knows it when they see it, but what I see is not what you see.
Please do not respond to those posts or troll or flame the poster. Instead, click on the little triangle button in the upper corner of the post and report it so that wardfan220 and I might deal with it appropriately. We aren't trying to stop people from posting, we are trying to teach them to post appropriately.
Some general types of posts that get reported are:
"Thanks for a great ROM" posts
"ETA" posts
"Bug reports" without proper troubleshooting or logging
"Didn't read the OP" posts
Off Topic for various reasons
Please consider this from two angles. What is unacceptable from a new user with 10 posts is often tolerated or even acceptable when done by a senior member or a dev team member for each example above. This can often lead to a perception of unfairness, from both sides.
We will get PM's by new users asking, "why did you delete my "thanks" post in the dev thread and not delete member xxxxxxx's "thanks" post? Is it because member xxxxxxx has 150 posts and I have 10?"
We will get PM's from current users asking "why did you delete my Only-Slightly-Off-Topic post in the dev thread? I have been a good member and it was just a little off topic and the dev doesn't mind".
If the devs could write up some general rules or guidelines as to what they find acceptable or not in their first or second post, when they ask for a thread cleaning or when members report posts as "dev thread spam", it would be very helpful to us making a more informed decision on what is spam and what is not, and have a better chance of getting the dev/OPs desired results, whether in avoiding posts or after the party cleanup.
Discussions and thoughts are welcome.
Thank you,
mf2112
^^ I agree that there is a very fine line between what's acceptable and what's not.
Earlier, I planned on making an "Etiquette thread" just for general guidance, but seeing some replies from fellow members on other thread, gave up on it.
One thing I believe in is that asking for ETA is definitely spam, irrespective of what beautiful wrapper it's wrapped in, because it basically undermines whatever the developer has done so far, in her/her personal time. So, if reported, these posts should be warned.
Other thing I believe is people should be more lenient towards "New users". Instead of scaring them away, or instead of spoonfeeding them with answers, they should be directed to correct thread, where they can read/understand what's going on, and maybe be directed towards development/modding/porting/etc. That's the only way 9003 would be out of "low activity device"
Will add more(got some more as I did a lot of thinking on this) later on, as I need to get a haircut now.
Thanks for this discussion.
Well i admit i am pretty aggressive to noobs which is wrong and against the rules in the first place, but some of them just get on my nerves.
They sometimes just call me or a dev fags / (place world's insults here) for helping them with their question and then sticking a "It's not the right place to ask such questions' note or because a dev is taking his time and not updating something every second.
Others also ignore all other posts / instructions, ask the same question and keep spamming and not accepting to follow the installation instructions again, they don't even post a logcat/whatever to support their claims.
I mostly resort to being a little aggressive and reporting the post if they don't cooperate.. Now i am not a mod, but i don't like being treated like that or seeing some respected member getting insulted because of a fat lazy noob not doing anything and insulting everyone.
Conclusion:
I agree with everything you said here and i do think mods should work with devs and members directly and should take some serious actions against offenders from now on.
I really feel bad for you with having to deal with such issues daily
Goodluck!
Has there been any luck with this idea?
Have devs even attempted it or just ignored this post?
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Not much response, but that's ok.
That's a shame really because it's a really good idea.
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