Alright, here's how it is. As predicted, the Sensation 4G forums have exploded with both development and new users. While a good majority of us here are from other devices/have been around XDA for awhile as this is an advanced device, there are also many, MANY new users here aswell. As such, the following apply not only to new users but to EVERYONE:
1-READ AND ABIDE BY THE XDA RULES.
2-READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING *ANYTHING*.
3-*ALWAYS* USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE POSTING A NEW THREAD.
4-POST QUESTIONS STRICTLY WITHIN THE Q&A SECTION.
5-IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AMISS, REPORT IT, *DO NOT FLAME OTHER USERS*.
Now onto the meat of this announcement. Moderation within the S4G forums are about to be kicked up a notch. Flaming has become a real problem around here, and will no longer be tolerated in any way. Simply put, you flame, your post gets deleted and you get infracted. No chances, no taking it back.
Now you may be saying, "o derp, i dont care about infarctions. tey dont meen anything". Keep this in mind, get enough infractions...and you get permabanned.
tl;dr-ANY user seen flaming, for ANY reason WHATSOEVER, WILL be infracted, no questions asked. If you see a user either flaming or being flamed, please use the report post function and send any of your moderators(myself, badwolve1 or benko) a PM and let us know what is going on. Likewise if you are being flamed, please speak up and let us know whats going on but DO NOT flame the flamer back.
Likewise, now that we have S-OFF and ROOT there is NO REASON that threads relating to either of these things that isn't about their development or enhancement, or a SPECIFIC problem you are encountering should be posted. If you have a general QUESTION about either, please post it within the Q&A forum. If you have development for either, post within the DEVELOPMENT section, of course be sure to adhere to the naming guidelines within the dev forum if you do so. New thread relating to ANYTHING about S-OFF that isn't development/issue related WILL be closed, and repeat offenders will be infracted.
tl;dr for the entire post-read and follow the rules and everything will be peachy.
This thread is closed and this subject is not open for public discussion. If you have any beef, please PM me directly here at XDA.
Word.-ashasaur
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Alright, here's how it is. As predicted, the Sensation 4G forums have exploded with both development and new users. While a good majority of us here are from other devices/have been around XDA for awhile as this is an advanced device, there are also many, MANY new users here aswell. As such, the following apply not only to new users but to EVERYONE:
1-READ AND ABIDE BY THE XDA RULES.
2-READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING *ANYTHING*.
3-*ALWAYS* USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE POSTING A NEW THREAD.
4-POST QUESTIONS STRICTLY WITHIN THE Q&A SECTION.
5-IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AMISS, REPORT IT, *DO NOT FLAME OTHER USERS*.
Now onto the meat of this announcement. Moderation within the S4G forums are about to be kicked up a notch. Flaming has become a real problem around here, and will no longer be tolerated in any way. Simply put, you flame, your post gets deleted and you get infracted. No chances, no taking it back.
Now you may be saying, "o derp, i dont care about infarctions. tey dont meen anything". Keep this in mind, get enough infractions...and you get permabanned.
tl;dr-ANY user seen flaming, for ANY reason WHATSOEVER, WILL be infracted, no questions asked. If you see a user either flaming or being flamed, please use the report post function and send any of your moderators(myself, badwolve1 or benko) a PM and let us know what is going on. Likewise if you are being flamed, please speak up and let us know whats going on but DO NOT flame the flamer back.
Likewise, now that we have S-OFF and ROOT there is NO REASON that threads relating to either of these things that isn't about their development or enhancement, or a SPECIFIC problem you are encountering should be posted. If you have a general QUESTION about either, please post it within the Q&A forum. If you have development for either, post within the DEVELOPMENT section, of course be sure to adhere to the naming guidelines within the dev forum if you do so. New thread relating to ANYTHING about S-OFF that isn't development/issue related WILL be closed, and repeat offenders will be infracted.
tl;dr for the entire post-read and follow the rules and everything will be peachy.
This thread is closed and this subject is not open for public discussion. If you have any beef, please PM me directly here at XDA.
Word.-ashasaur
Alright, here's how it is. As predicted, the Sensation 4G forums have exploded with both development and new users. While a good majority of us here are from other devices/have been around XDA for awhile as this is an advanced device, there are also many, MANY new users here aswell. As such, the following apply not only to new users but to EVERYONE:
1-READ AND ABIDE BY THE XDA RULES.
2-READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING *ANYTHING*.
3-*ALWAYS* USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE POSTING A NEW THREAD.
4-POST QUESTIONS STRICTLY WITHIN THE Q&A SECTION.
5-IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AMISS, REPORT IT, *DO NOT FLAME OTHER USERS*.
Now onto the meat of this announcement. Moderation within the S4G forums are about to be kicked up a notch. Flaming has become a real problem around here, and will no longer be tolerated in any way. Simply put, you flame, your post gets deleted and you get infracted. No chances, no taking it back.
Now you may be saying, "o derp, i dont care about infarctions. tey dont meen anything". Keep this in mind, get enough infractions...and you get permabanned.
tl;dr-ANY user seen flaming, for ANY reason WHATSOEVER, WILL be infracted, no questions asked. If you see a user either flaming or being flamed, please use the report post function and send any of your moderators(myself, badwolve1 or benko) a PM and let us know what is going on. Likewise if you are being flamed, please speak up and let us know whats going on but DO NOT flame the flamer back.
Likewise, now that we have S-OFF and ROOT there is NO REASON that threads relating to either of these things that isn't about their development or enhancement, or a SPECIFIC problem you are encountering should be posted. If you have a general QUESTION about either, please post it within the Q&A forum. If you have development for either, post within the DEVELOPMENT section, of course be sure to adhere to the naming guidelines within the dev forum if you do so. New thread relating to ANYTHING about S-OFF that isn't development/issue related WILL be closed, and repeat offenders will be infracted.
tl;dr for the entire post-read and follow the rules and everything will be peachy.
This thread is closed and this subject is not open for public discussion. If you have any beef, please PM me directly here at XDA.
Word.-ashasaur
Ok people, listen up.
Usually I and the other Moderators are tolerable to comments posted in the threads. Especially the Q&A and GeneralThread.
The Dev Thread, is for .... ahem... DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES ONLY. Read it again.
There is no need to post things that should be in the Q&A forum, or the General Forum. Remember this, as I will delete it. You know the rules, you read the rules.... so... understand the rules. If in doubt, post it in the Q&A forum.
But more importantly, is lately, the use of abusive language, arguments and flaming, has gotten out of control. Threads get clogged with useless garbage, like everybody is in an "e-penis" contest with everybody else. In which case, you all lose.
It ends now.
As of today, the 19th July 2012, if I have to come and delete any more abusive, flaming, profanity laced comments, and this means Users, Dev's and Cooks alike, I will assess infraction points and recommend ban's. No questions asked. And no appeal. Enough is enough. If a user posts a profanity laced post, that's it. And the same goes for Dev's and Cooks., If it's a "retaliatory" post, that's it also.
You have a "Report Post". Learn how to use it.
You people are adults, or close to it. It's not "facebook" or any internet chat, IM, ICQ, or any other device. There are people here, the majority, who want to make their device better, and generally are good people. And they don't want to see that type of garbage.
If you have a beef with somebody, use PM. Not the forum. Or just report the post.
MD
If you need to request a ban feel free to PM me. I am not on as much as of late due to new job but check in at least twice a day and as this is my main device users here know me well and know I dont tolerate BS of any kind.
Got some cleanup requests already, so I figured this might help.
The thing with dev thread "spam" is that it is really in the eye of the beholder. :cyclops:
Ultimately it is up to us mods of course but getting some guidance by the devs would be helpful. We can do a thread cleaning on request of the OP, but what I view as "spam" is not necessarily the same as wardfan220's definition of spam. Or the OP's definition of spam.
Everybody knows it when they see it, but what I see is not what you see.
Please do not respond to those posts or troll or flame the poster. Instead, click on the little triangle button in the upper corner of the post and report it so that wardfan220 and I might deal with it appropriately. We aren't trying to stop people from posting, we are trying to teach them to post appropriately.
Some general types of posts that get reported are:
"Thanks for a great ROM" posts
"ETA" posts
"Bug reports" without proper troubleshooting or logging
"Didn't read the OP" posts
Off Topic for various reasons
Please consider this from two angles. What is unacceptable from a new user with 10 posts is often tolerated or even acceptable when done by a senior member or a dev team member for each example above. This can often lead to a perception of unfairness, from both sides.
We will get PM's by new users asking, "why did you delete my "thanks" post in the dev thread and not delete member xxxxxxx's "thanks" post? Is it because member xxxxxxx has 150 posts and I have 10?"
We will get PM's from current users asking "why did you delete my Only-Slightly-Off-Topic post in the dev thread? I have been a good member and it was just a little off topic and the dev doesn't mind".
If the devs could write up some general rules or guidelines as to what they find acceptable or not in their first or second post, when they ask for a thread cleaning or when members report posts as "dev thread spam", it would be very helpful to us making a more informed decision on what is spam and what is not, and have a better chance of getting the dev/OPs desired results, whether in avoiding posts or after the party cleanup.
Discussions and thoughts are welcome.
Thank you,
mf2112
^^ I agree that there is a very fine line between what's acceptable and what's not.
Earlier, I planned on making an "Etiquette thread" just for general guidance, but seeing some replies from fellow members on other thread, gave up on it.
One thing I believe in is that asking for ETA is definitely spam, irrespective of what beautiful wrapper it's wrapped in, because it basically undermines whatever the developer has done so far, in her/her personal time. So, if reported, these posts should be warned.
Other thing I believe is people should be more lenient towards "New users". Instead of scaring them away, or instead of spoonfeeding them with answers, they should be directed to correct thread, where they can read/understand what's going on, and maybe be directed towards development/modding/porting/etc. That's the only way 9003 would be out of "low activity device"
Will add more(got some more as I did a lot of thinking on this) later on, as I need to get a haircut now.
Thanks for this discussion.
Well i admit i am pretty aggressive to noobs which is wrong and against the rules in the first place, but some of them just get on my nerves.
They sometimes just call me or a dev fags / (place world's insults here) for helping them with their question and then sticking a "It's not the right place to ask such questions' note or because a dev is taking his time and not updating something every second.
Others also ignore all other posts / instructions, ask the same question and keep spamming and not accepting to follow the installation instructions again, they don't even post a logcat/whatever to support their claims.
I mostly resort to being a little aggressive and reporting the post if they don't cooperate.. Now i am not a mod, but i don't like being treated like that or seeing some respected member getting insulted because of a fat lazy noob not doing anything and insulting everyone.
Conclusion:
I agree with everything you said here and i do think mods should work with devs and members directly and should take some serious actions against offenders from now on.
I really feel bad for you with having to deal with such issues daily
Goodluck!
Has there been any luck with this idea?
Have devs even attempted it or just ignored this post?
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
Not much response, but that's ok.
That's a shame really because it's a really good idea.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
Hey guys,
I finally got me my first Nexus device. So i loaded up Purity Rom on it and i have tried a bunch of Kernels but i couldnt find one that i like. My question to you guys would be what Kernel would you guys recommend? My priority is battery life and stability. Phone is already insanely fast.
they dont allow these kinds of threads on xda. youre just gonna get a list of all the kernels, and everyone will think that the kernel that are using is the best http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477889
EVO-lution said:
Hey guys,
I finally got me my first Nexus device. So i loaded up Purity Rom on it and i have tried a bunch of Kernels but i couldnt find one that i like. My question to you guys would be what Kernel would you guys recommend? My priority is battery life and stability. Phone is already insanely fast.
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Plain and simple. No further explanation needed
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4) No threads or posts asking for the best/most stable ROM/Kernel/Mod/whatever, or created for the purpose of comparing Phones/ROMs/Kernels/Mods/whatever:
These threads/posts will be deleted promptly and without warning. They have a history of causing problems due to trolls, and fanboys, along with various troublemakers, and therefore are no longer allowed. Regardless of that, there is really no way to judge whether or not a particular piece of work is better than another because it's all relative to begin with. If you want to know what piece of work is better for you, install something and try it out for a while. If you don't like it, try something else. Our Developers work hard to provide us their contributions, free of charge. Please show them the respect they deserve by trying something out and giving them your feedback.
5) Don't ask for an ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival):
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6) Keep your signatures at a respectable size:
While members are given a great deal of freedom in creating personalized signatures, it is expected that this freedom is not abused. Abnormally large signatures are obnoxious to most users and they tend to be a major distraction from the topic at hand. If your signature is double the size of an average post or larger, expect be asked to change it. If you're not sure whether the size of your signature is within the respectable limits, feel free to contact a member of the Moderation Team that is assigned to this forum for clarification.
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It's not that hard. If you can't say something nice to someone, don't say anything at all. If you feel the need to respond negatively to someone, please refer to #8.
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If there are any questions or concerns regarding this or any other matter, please feel free to contact a member of the Moderation Team that is assigned to this forum. You can find a list of the assigned Moderators at the top of each sub-forum page.
With that, here are a few great threads to help you get the most out of your experience here...please take advantage of them:
Get the most out of XDA!!
How to make a good THREAD, POST, QUESTION or POLL
Why you get short/one word answers! (The Long Answer)
How to give constructive feedback to developers
How To Logcat
GPLv2 tips for developers
Getting a moderator's help
And as always...
Thank you, and have a great day!
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