Just a thought seeing as how us G2X and O2X folks are waiting patiently for ICS drivers to arrive if ever from LG. Article hitting a few Android sites has Sony releasing a PMP w/ a Tegra 2. Now there is no mention if this Tegra 2 is the same as our devices but hey here's hoping. Thoughts?
http://phandroid.com/2012/07/18/sony-introduces-walkman-f800-with-android-4-0-launching-in-august/
I read somewhere that this will be the Ventana (same as the G2x) and not the Harmony chip. This makes sense, since the Harmony chip is used almost exclusively in tablets. I can't find the article, so I don't know if this was speculation by the blogger or something official.
RobBull69 said:
I read somewhere that this will be the Ventana (same as the G2x) and not the Harmony chip. This makes sense, since the Harmony chip is used almost exclusively in tablets. I can't find the article, so I don't know if this was speculation by the blogger or something official.
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very unlikely to be ventana as that is a development board that lost support from nvidia a while back. thats why you havent seen many, if any at all, ventana based device released since harmony became available. think of ventana as the beta version and harmony as production release. there are no distinction of which version to use for tablet vs phone
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very unlikely to be ventana as that is a development board that lost support from nvidia a while back. thats why you havent seen many, if any at all, ventana based device released since harmony became available. think of ventana as the beta version and harmony as production release. there are no distinction of which version to use for tablet vs phone
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I don't get it, what exactly is the difference between the two? Is Harmony faster or use less power or something? Because doesn't it have all the same clock speeds, cache, RAM, etc...??
The problem will probably be in the fact that we don't have the driver source. If the driver is compiled for ICS it may work but I'm pretty sure we'll still need the driver source code or a driver compiled specifically for the G2x/O2x. Here's to hoping though.
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I don't get it, what exactly is the difference between the two? Is Harmony faster or use less power or something? Because doesn't it have all the same clock speeds, cache, RAM, etc...??
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As far as I know, the ONLY difference is the GPU. Ventana is clocked at 300Mhz for the GPU and Harmony at 333Mhz.
Never will these drivers be released for this device. Those numb nuts at NVIDIA are waiting for this device to die.
http://www.androidcentral.com/zte-grand-x-hands
This is the closet you're going to get to the G2X/O2X interms of GPU wise.
I hope the devs can cook something up. There are a few devices that are coming out with Tegra 2 and Ics. Keeps fingers crossed . If not then on to HTC and lg never again
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Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
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Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
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No........................
Virus711 said:
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
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almost had heartattack reading topic name :S
we dont have 2.3.3, and you are dreaming about 4.0?
Well let me read the cards...errrr
Some one is flying high. Anyways I can't see why not with a little magic of the dev community.
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i'm shire it will come also for o3d by lg or through the great developers in this forum.
but why do you what it already? maybe it's crap? i doubt it but maybe....
and one of the golden rules:
be patient, good things need their time
I wouldn't be surprised if 4.0 won't run on this phone due to the ram, even if it does its going to be well into next year before we get it, I would be surprised if we have it for next summer judging how far behind LG are now, this phone and the Optimus X2 should have launched with Gingerbread.
if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us
the already support this device
typhex said:
if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us
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but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen
mmace said:
but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen
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True but all the S3D core code it open to the devs thanks to TI as I understand it.
Also it's not even sure it's called 4.0, they haven't set a version number have they? and the number is just a indicator, the jump from 2.3 will be stuff like optimization in the system for dual core, and people still talking about too little RAM is just poppycock.
Most likely performance for the O3D will be better with Ice Cream Sandwich, might even beat all other phones as it's (so far) the only one with dual RAM and dual Channels which keeps the dual-core CPU from being bottlenecked by the rest of the system.
I have to admit, this talk of "ooooh it might not run version xx.yy of Android" or "ooooh what if the new uber fantastic app doesn't work because it ONLY has 512MB RAM" makes me laugh.
Why? Well lets look at what the problems have been in the past:
OS Partition is too small:
This was a problem when the OS was written to fit inside the small flash built-in to the CPU package. As the OS has gotten bigger this had to be solved one way or another. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I think its enough to say this is solved now.
Not enough RAM:
Fitting an advanced OS into 64MB or even 256MB of RAM is tricky, especially when the core OS is based on code from PCs with a lot more RAM than that and the luxury of a swap partition.
However 512MB was the turning point on PC where RAM became less of an issue and in the right configuration you could live without swap. So logically this should hold true, probably moreso, for Android. Because Android until recently was already running in 128MB/256MB without the advantage of swap space.
No Drivers:
Many are open source, we are also working with hardware a lot more standardised than it once was.
I can see from a glance that there are a lot of similarities between my N900 at the hardware level and the O3D. If you are dealing with devices that are basically upgrades of old hardware designs, drivers are a lot easier to deal with - especially if they are open source.
Lack of GPU or certain CPU instructions:
Many older devices could not handle newer Android because they lacked a proper GPU or the CPU did not have the right instructions. This is similar to what happened on PC for a while, when multimedia suddenly became big. Like on the PC once all these multimedia instructions became commonplace it was no longer really an issue. I believe we are at the same place now with high-end Android hardware.
So I really would be surprised to find a newer version of Android outright not be able to run on the O3D, for quite some time.
Not sure if this should be in the Dev section, but it looks like NVIDIA released the OS images for the Tegra development kit...
http://developer.nvidia.com/content/android-40-ics-os-images-tegra-android-available
Hopefully this helps the Devs working on the ICS port for the Gtab...
is for ventana
not for harmony
i believe that nvidia axed support for harmony but released a 2.3 image as last uptate for that platform
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So does this actually provide no support for the gtablet?
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So does this actually provide no support for the gtablet?
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Nope. Different platform, nvidia kinda screwed us on that front.
Actually this release does help us out a lot. Give it time, but this release enabled HD video decoding on Gtablet ICS. I know because I've tried it.
I was just wondering, the viewsonic gtablet is a tegra 2 harmony device and the guys at team drh have made a kernel for ics that is fully hardware excelerated so my question is since the g2x is a harmony device can the drh kernel be used as a base for a working g2x kernel with full video decoding just like the gtablet???
Harmony is for tablets. We have Ventana.
Closest best is the ZTE Mimosa X which has ICS and the Ventana. When it drops hopefully we can grab the drivers from there.
From the 2x side:
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If porting full working drivers were possible in any way from any device to make o2x runs with everything working on ics it should be done by now.. Al the things you are thinking now developers though about it long time ago... I'm developer myself.. Just not android developer.. I develop in assembler for microcontrollers as I am electronics engineer, and trust me there's nothing that I don't know about the chips I work on...
Every microcontroler (I'm specialist in microchip) has different libraries to access the different modules... As microchip produce open source libraries I can access all the functionalities in the processor and microchip provide the full pdf with the instructions set for every processor.. But even chips from the same family with a minimum variation like let's say pic18f478 to pic18f478a can have bunch of different modules with a bunch of different libraries...
So once I can develop a function out of the instructions set (what's called here from scratch) I can then develop a library wich I can call in my main software every time I want the processor execute an action... So in this case Nvidia won't provide their instructions set for their processors... They only provide libraries to oems... And oems can develop procedures and functions with these libraries...
That said Nvidia has no responsibilities here... Because no matter what os oems use the chips and the libraries are the same and the method to access chipset function won't change from one os to another... That's processor architecture and can not be modified..
LG has to re develop the function and procedures to work with the new os that is low level (assembler compiled) and embedded into the os... Those functions are way different from one device to another and it's not possible to use them unless it's the same exact chip family with no variants...
Devs here can not develop functions because they don't have access to the libraries... They only have access to the final product or what I could call the UI for developer.. And that's the DRIVERS..
That's it..
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Harmony is for tablets. We have Ventana.
Closest best is the ZTE Mimosa X which has ICS and the Ventana. When it drops hopefully we can grab the drivers from there.
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You mean this???
tonyp said:
Here is a high-speed mirror of the ROM: http://d-h.st/DDn
RC hasn't replied to me, yet.
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redmonke255 said:
Harmony is for tablets. We have Ventana.
Closest best is the ZTE Mimosa X which has ICS and the Ventana. When it drops hopefully we can grab the drivers from there.
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Are you sure about that everything i read said g2x was a harmony board and its not as simple as one is phone one is tablet the Motorola xoom is a ventana board i do believe its more to do with components like memory and amount of memory sound chips and how they are implemented together
Everything you've read is wrong then.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#section_2
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redmonke255 said:
Everything you've read is wrong then.
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So why are the xoom and transformer tf101 referred to as ventana devices on this site in their own forums???
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So why are the xoom and transformer tf101 referred to as ventana devices on this site in their own forums???
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Because the people saying it are misinformed. Ventana is the phone version, harmony is the tablet version.
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Is this of any use?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29622231&postcount=378
lehjr said:
Is this of any use?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29622231&postcount=378
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+1
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Can this really be it? Somebody confirm so I can save some $ for donations!
Please be useful... I'm praying right now.
Fingers crossed
Wouldn't that be wonderful!
gpmartinson said:
Wouldn't that be wonderful!
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It might make me keep my G2x a lil' bit longer
Recently released Tegra 2 drivers are for Linux (Ubuntu), and they're binary so they're virtually impossible to hack for Android without superhuman effort and skills and unlimited time.
Read from XDA post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26960631&postcount=1
and read the information at the Wikipedia site about Open Source and NVIDIA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_hardware_and_FOSS
and read the statement from NVIDIA
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ra-devices-as-long-as-their-manufacturers-do/
and read this statement by Ricardo Cerqueira:
https://plus.google.com/11504942893...jeUiS#115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
and read the Tegra Linux Driver Package release notes:
http://developer.download.nvidia.co...ux_Driver_Package_Release_Notes_R15_armhf.pdf
Core Memory said:
Recently released Tegra 2 drivers are for Linux (Ubuntu), and they're binary so they're virtually impossible to hack for Android without superhuman effort and skills and unlimited time.
Read from XDA post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26960631&postcount=1
and read the information at the Wikipedia site about Open Source and NVIDIA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_hardware_and_FOSS
and read the statement from NVIDIA
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ra-devices-as-long-as-their-manufacturers-do/
and read this statement by Ricardo Cerqueira:
https://plus.google.com/11504942893...jeUiS#115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
and read the Tegra Linux Driver Package release notes:
http://developer.download.nvidia.co...ux_Driver_Package_Release_Notes_R15_armhf.pdf
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Boooooo, I'm sad... again
Naive but
Not sure I get the problem...isn't android really a linux clone with less stuff? Wish I knew more about how this works.
According to CNET http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/sony-walkman-f800-32gb/4505-6490_7-35396728.html
this is a device that has tegra 2 chip and is running ICS, explain why we can't take the drivers from this device. I understand it is not a phone, but don't we just need drivers for the graphics tegra 2 processor and not the actual phone part of our phone.
P.S. how is it a walkman gets ICS before our phone.
Most likely won't work because we don't need the graphic drivers, but but specific p999 drivers that link tegra 2 soc to the parts of the phone. We have graphics already, but we need the drivers/source that allow the devs to 'connect' individual components together on the main board I believe
We need hardware acceleration drivers and hardware acc. means gpu rendering.
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Most likely won't work because we don't need the graphic drivers, but but specific p999 drivers that link tegra 2 soc to the parts of the phone. We have graphics already, but we need the drivers/source that allow the devs to 'connect' individual components together on the main board I believe
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If that is true how come everyone is saying as long as any phone with tegra 2 gets ICS we can get the drivers? Wouldn't that be the same issue as getting the drivers from this device?
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If that is true how come everyone is saying as long as any phone with tegra 2 gets ICS we can get the drivers? Wouldn't that be the same issue as getting the drivers from this device?
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My understanding is that they originally thought that, but after the ZTE Grand X (Same SOC running ICS) was released they realized that this would not be so simple to do.
gitanshu said:
We need hardware acceleration drivers and hardware acc. means gpu rendering.
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Also, I am making assumptions, but I think this device has gpu rendering, which case I think it also needs hardware acceleration.
This weekend, my mother in law purchased a used Acer Iconia A100 from her son. She asked me to give her a crash course on it.
So I'm looking, at it, not bad. I'm like this thing has ICS 4.0.3... Cool... I decided to look at the specs... Yep, it has the Tegra 2... I'm telling myself there is no way this thing works in the video camera... Well, shockingly it works perfectly!
So why in hell does the Acer Iconia A100 vid cam works with ICS and not our phones? I verified the Acer site and they only have Honeycomb in terms of OS. So I guess my bro in law updated it himself but what I'm really pissed off at is why the video camera works like a charm on his...
WTF?
No!
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What I'm guessing is ics isn't that much of a big leap from honeycomb, or he just changed the build.prop to 4.0.3 to make him feel good about himself.
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That table got an official ICS update last April:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...rly-to-some-lucky-users-download-link-inside/
Which puts LG to shame regarding its lack of ICS updates for existing devices.
OK must of been Acer Canada that's behind in their updates!
But with that said... That means the basic drivers and code are probably available for the Tegra 2 for ICS if Acer was able to get it running... Sorry, far from being any type of programmer but do we really LG to do anything here or can any Dev pic off some code from the ROM on the Acer and work some magic.
NVIDIA just supplies the chip, the Tegra 2. It's up to the phone manufacturer to design the phone with a chipset and software. Every phone manufacturer is different so they must write different drivers.
The phone manufacturer is responsible for the drivers. It's not NVIDIA, it's up to LG and Acer to provide drivers for their chipset. Understand?
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OK must of been Acer Canada that's behind in their updates!
But with that said... That means the basic drivers and code are probably available for the Tegra 2 for ICS if Acer was able to get it running... Sorry, far from being any type of programmer but do we really LG to do anything here or can any Dev pic off some code from the ROM on the Acer and work some magic.
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NVIDIA provides full-featured drivers for their SOC which the original equipment manufacturers (OEM) apply to their devices. The OEM enables/disables various driver features and tests their operation. If bugs/problems are revealed with the drivers, the OEM consults with NVIDIA which may cause NVIDIA to generate another driver. It is an iterative process. Even the latest NVIDIA driver for ICS for the Tegra2 AP20H has known bugs. I think the NVIDIA driver problems is what's partly to blame for the delayed release of ICS for phones with that SOC.
Just a reminder that people are forgetting that the Tegra 2 in our phones is a completely different chip than a Tegra 2 elsewhere. Numerous phones have ICS with a Tegra 2 chip working fine, but those are not ones that use the same chip as ours.
Thanks for that clarification guys! Makes more sense now! :good:
Well sucks for LG then because this doesn't really encourage me to purchase another LG device in the future.