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XBMC on Android

I think the time is near.
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* Added support for ARM processor architecture (with TI OMAP3 and NVIDIA Tegra 2 as reference)
* Added OpenMAX Video Acceleration support (requires OpenMax IL compatible hardware, like Tegra2
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The above was stated on changelog for the new stable XBMC release.
I am not expert on these things but is it really time for XBMC on Android tablets and phones?

This would be a great app for android,can anyone express their opinions in regard? Can it be done?

I would love to see this for my Xperia X10a.

How would xbmc bring anything worthwhile to a mobile platform? Don't get me wrong, I love xbmc... On my tv.
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hawkxcore said:
How would xbmc bring anything worthwhile to a mobile platform? Don't get me wrong, I love xbmc... On my tv.
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In light of the upcoming Atrix 4G with their media hub, this would be perfect for a portable xbmc which you can take anywhere with you (especially when you have to travel).

Open the doors and bring forth XBMC........ please?
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Those are two very specif SOC reference designs with limited availability in todays market. The Nexus One for example runs the MSM SOC, and Tegra2 phones were just announced this week.

It chapped my hide to find out that there are nearly full blown XBMC installs available now for iOS devices like the iPad and iPhone 4. How can there not be one in development for the Tegra 2 with existing tablets using that processor already available for purchase for less than $400...?

Yeah, with the elocity a7 @ $299 boasting a tegra 2 and 512 mb of RAM someone should jump on it.

*bump*
Do want.

Are there any news?

the majority of the libraries aren't a problem in a distribution sense, the NDK has support for that. the problem is the core ones, libc etc. Those which means a custom compiler. This won't do for market inclusion I bet. You can surely do a custom rom and just use the standard arm compiler but it would never be acceptible on market.
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http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=84194&page=7

just a thought what if it is coded for android live?

Ios version works really we on my iPhone 4. I was completely gob smacked to find out there wasn't a version that could run on my android tablet. Make no sense at all that to open source system dosen't have It while the Analy retentive ios has a fully fledged functional version.

I wouldn't mind some news on this either. I had an Ubuntu 10.04 box, built from spare computer parts, serving as my XBMC hub. I wouldn't mind a smaller more portable version.

I'd love an update too.

It won't work until someone compiles all the libraries XBMC depends on (it's a lot) for Android.
Someone had said they were going to do that, but that was about a month ago and no one has chimed in since then.
sassafras

wonder if they re doing it.....

i use xbmc on my apple tv 2 (the thing is USELESS without it...) and would really love to have this on either my phone or an android tablet if/when I decide to buy one.
Consider me confused as well at how ios has xbmc yet android doesnt? really???

I have been waiting for this for a long time
I have been waiting for this since before they released it for ios devices. I would pay good money for the ability to run xbmc on my android devices! If I knew how I would have given it a try but maybe someone who is talented at these things could do there magic. If there is anyone out there working on this it would be fantastic for all of us Android/XBMC users. I just think it suits the android devices better anyways bigger screens faster processors more freedom. Thanks and Please!!

Flash 10.2 Leak

Has anyone had any luck getting the leaked 10.2 Flash player on Hero CDMA? If so, could you share what you did to get it working and what setup you have? If you followed a specific forum post, could you link it? I have searched but none of the forum posts here I've tried have worked.
I've tried changing the user agent in the browser, however, I could not find 'Desktop' as some of the other posts have suggested. At this point, I've tried installing the leaked version directly: no joy.
I'm running CM7 RC2 with no mods at the moment.
Here is the link I used for the leaked Flash 10.2:
http://www.crunchitech.com/2011/03/15/download-flash-player-leak-version-10-2-for-android-2-22-33-0/

its not going to work, never will the reason why has been answered on here atleast 100000000000000000000 times, good find but wasted in here

ARMv6 vs. ARMv7 = Adobe refuses to set compiler flags.
thoughtlesskyle said:
its not going to work, never will the reason why has been answered on here atleast 100000000000000000000 times, good find but wasted in here
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I should have been less specific in my use of the search tool. You are right. Hero is ARMv6 and Flash is compiled for ARMv7. Oh well, thanks for at least replying to me.
Now it would be nice if there was a module you could load into memory that would do machine code translation from v7 to v6... at least make it runable/compatible or make v7 programs 'think' they are running on v7. I'm sure that what be a nightmare of processor faults. And if it did run, it probably wouldn't be fast at all. Perhaps a v7 virtual machine? Again, another pipe dream because the Hero has less memory than a 486.
It's Adobe's fault anyway. A v6 plugin would not be hard to compile from the source. Just set the compiler flags and go. Grrr.
Thanks again.

Your right it probably wouldn't be hard but I think they did it this way because on the hardware acceleration side phones with v7 usually have the resources to spare to make flash run smoothly even flash lite is clunky at times on our v6 phones
They will chalk it up to delivering a consistent experience on their supported devices
zansatsu said:
I should have been less specific in my use of the search tool. You are right. Hero is ARMv6 and Flash is compiled for ARMv7. Oh well, thanks for at least replying to me.
Now it would be nice if there was a module you could load into memory that would do machine code translation from v7 to v6... at least make it runable/compatible or make v7 programs 'think' they are running on v7. I'm sure that what be a nightmare of processor faults. And if it did run, it probably wouldn't be fast at all. Perhaps a v7 virtual machine? Again, another pipe dream because the Hero has less memory than a 486.
It's Adobe's fault anyway. A v6 plugin would not be hard to compile from the source. Just set the compiler flags and go. Grrr.
Thanks again.
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Unfortunately, the ARMv7 logic doesn't hold much truth as I was not able to run flash on my Samsung moment. I think there may be more factors involved.

aqualls said:
Unfortunately, the ARMv7 logic doesn't hold much truth as I was not able to run flash on my Samsung moment. I think there may be more factors involved.
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I thought samsung used something other than ARM whatever it is I don't think they are using arm v7 I think the processor is close to what apple uses in the iphone 4 the cortex but I am not sure.
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aqualls said:
Unfortunately, the ARMv7 logic doesn't hold much truth as I was not able to run flash on my Samsung moment. I think there may be more factors involved.
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samsung moment is ARM11 which is ARMv6... not v7

I learned this one the hard way...
At first glance, ARM chip designations can be confusing but the difference is the ARM Family version vs. ARM Architecture version:
Note that architecture version names contain a 'v' and the family version names do not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_processor#ARM_cores
The Hero and Moment are ARMv6 architecture whereas newer phones are ARMv7.
It sucks, d00d! You are SOL just like me and many other Hero owners.
EDIT: Technically: The one notable exception to the 'v' observation is the ARMv5TE: Bulverde. But, heh, it works for me.

bk718 said:
samsung moment is ARM11 which is ARMv6... not v7
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Not according to the the specs and every hardware app on the market. Trust me. If it was I could have run flash and apps for .avi video without audio sync issues.
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aqualls said:
Not according to the the specs and every hardware app on the market. Trust me. If it was I could have run flash and apps for .avi video without audio sync issues.
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what specs are u looking at??
Click here and scroll over to samsung moment.. ARM1176 which is ARMv6
refer to the link that zansatsu posted... its in there as well
or this link
or where its discussed here
i could go on and on or u can google it if you like and see for yourself..
im not trying to downplay you, but just trying to inform you that the information that you've been given is incorrect regarding the samsung moment having an ARMv7 chip..

The Samsung SPH-M900 (Moment) processor is an ARM11 Family, ARMv6 Architecture CPU:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11#ARM11-based_products

zansatsu said:
The Samsung SPH-M900 (Moment) processor is an ARM11 Family, ARMv6 Architecture CPU:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11#ARM11-based_products
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i think with my links and ur links are point should be driven by now..

[Q] Does Skype v2.1 Video work on the G2x?

I saw Skype updated to 2.1 today. My G2x is getting repaired so I can't try it, but has anyone been able to confirm if video works on this version?

No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...

That's really annoying. Skype is really the only reason I care about having a front-facing camera.

I know, Right?! Me too!

Pecata said:
No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...
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I've read several articles that says it has unofficial support for other devices, but I'm not seeing that option.
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C0dy said:
I've read several articles that says it has unofficial support for other devices, but I'm not seeing that option.
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I've tried all the unofficial builds and none of them work with the G2X. Can someone make it work please! I really need video call on my phone....

Would editing the build.prop help? How else would Skype know?

SaHiLzZ said:
Would editing the build.prop help? How else would Skype know?
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No idea, I hope someone can make it work on our phones as well. It seems only the Tegra 2 phones aren't working with it...don't know why

Pecata said:
No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...
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It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's snapdragon... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...

nucleartoasteroven said:
It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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I am using oovoo currently since there is nothing else that works for video chat from phone to desktop.
I am so mad at skype as well. I don't know what the big deal is.

Pecata said:
I am using oovoo currently since there is nothing else that works for video chat from phone to desktop.
I am so mad at skype as well. I don't know what the big deal is.
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I tried Oovoo a short while ago, and had trouble with sideways video or sometimes no video at all. Guess I'll be trying again. And Skype should at the very least quit advertising that this works on practically all froyo+ devices... They need G2x support, and they need it soon. Taking their time has already earned them the low rating they have (or had before this release, fixing for many people) in the market.

nucleartoasteroven said:
It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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The sensation's hummingbird does actually have Neon. Google sensation, hummingbird, neon, and you should see it. I always worry about posting links to outside of the forum, but it's easy to see.
They do claim it'll only work on 2.2+ devices with neon capabilities... I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
Sadly it means it's not as easy as a build.prop fix. One day... or I'll just get a phone with tegra 3 when that comes along which has neon support haha.

Danishswag said:
The sensation's hummingbird does actually have Neon. Google sensation, hummingbird, neon, and you should see it. I always worry about posting links to outside of the forum, but it's easy to see.
They do claim it'll only work on 2.2+ devices with neon capabilities... I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
Sadly it means it's not as easy as a build.prop fix. One day... or I'll just get a phone with tegra 3 when that comes along which has neon support haha.
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Hmm, interesting. I remember reading somewhere on XDA that "Our friends over at the Sensation board are out of luck as well as the Snapdragon doesn't have NEON either."
Oops, sorry, I meant Snapdragon. Haha XD
I wonder if that guy is still right, though. If he is wrong, that explains why Sensation is officially supported while non-NEON t2 is not. But... If he's right, there is no reason why Skype doesn't support t2 and in that case a build.prop change or decompile and removal of the apk's device checks would work.
Got some looking up to do...

Danishswag said:
I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
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This may not be correct either, but I think it might be for hardware acceleration/an easier video processing library. I gotta look into that too.

nucleartoasteroven said:
It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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The Sensation has a Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor, not a Hummingbird.

FatalityBoyZahy said:
The Sensation has a Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor, not a Hummingbird.
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Yep, I corrected myself in my response to Danishswag when I went to look up the quote. Thanks! Now to confirm that Snapdragon doesn't have NEON...?

nucleartoasteroven said:
Yep, I corrected myself in my response to Danishswag when I went to look up the quote. Thanks! Now to confirm that Snapdragon doesn't have NEON...?
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I'm pretty sure Snapdragon doesn't have NEON. Qualcomm licensed the ARMv7 ISA only and not the Cortex-A8 or A9 designs(The Cortex-A8 introduced the NEON core FPU but you seem to know this). The ARMv7 ISA only mandates Thumb and such.
nucleartoasteroven said:
This may not be correct either, but I think it might be for hardware acceleration/an easier video processing library. I gotta look into that too.
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From personal experience of doing video encode from an Android device;FFmpeg, the open source library for video encode/decode is preferred on Android and is very optimized for NEON(TI is one of the main contributors for FFmpeg for ARM and all TI OMAP3 and OMAP4 designs have NEON). I'm guessing the video APIs for Android use FFmpeg so Gtalk and Skype would be reliant on these libraries.
However the Atrix got Gtalk so there probably is some workaround for this...
Back On Topic: I hear vtok(Gtalk) works

bakedpatato said:
I'm pretty sure Snapdragon doesn't have NEON. Qualcomm licensed the ARMv7 ISA only and not the Cortex-A8 or A9 designs(The Cortex-A8 introduced the NEON core FPU but you seem to know this). The ARMv7 ISA only mandates Thumb and such.
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Ahh, OK, thanks for the clarification. So Skype has adapted an official certified version for non-NEON processors, meaning there shouldn't be much reason why they still aren't supporting Tegra 2.
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From personal experience of doing video encode from an Android device;FFmpeg, the open source library for video encode/decode is preferred on Android and is very optimized for NEON(TI is one of the main contributors for FFmpeg for ARM and all TI OMAP3 and OMAP4 designs have NEON). I'm guessing the video APIs for Android use FFmpeg so Gtalk and Skype would be reliant on these libraries.
However the Atrix got Gtalk so there probably is some workaround for this...
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That is correct, both apps rely on NEON and that's why previous ports failed. Atrix (T2) did get gtalk, so there is a new attempt underway. Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184999
There hasn't been too much progress (at least publicly displayed) or as much as the LG cam port attempt, but it's promising. And now that a version of Skype is availible for a non-neon processor, I'm guessing our wonderful devs will soon attempt to use the new libraries to make a working port. Let's hope for the best
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Back On Topic: I hear vtok(Gtalk) works
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I tried this, without much luck... I haven't gotten it to make a video call without force closing yet.
For the record, anyone, I'm running my G2x with CM7 nightly 94. I will be updating to 97 tomorrow; maybe, just maybe, that will change the results with programs I'm describing here, such as oovoo and vtok not working. If it does, I will repost.

nucleartoasteroven said:
Ahh, OK, thanks for the clarification. So Skype has adapted an official certified version for non-NEON processors, meaning there shouldn't be much reason why they still aren't supporting Tegra 2.
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We don't have source so we don't know how they did it...
nucleartoasteroven said:
That is correct, both apps rely on NEON and that's why previous ports failed. Atrix (T2) did get gtalk, so there is a new attempt underway. Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184999
There hasn't been too much progress (at least publicly displayed) or as much as the LG cam port attempt, but it's promising. And now that a version of Skype is availible for a non-neon processor, I'm guessing our wonderful devs will soon attempt to use the new libraries to make a working port. Let's hope for the best
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Yeah I would rather see working gchat than LG cam but I'm happy to help out anywhere.
nucleartoasteroven said:
I tried this, without much luck... I haven't gotten it to make a video call without force closing yet.
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Fuuuuuu....
nucleartoasteroven said:
For the record, anyone, I'm running my G2x with CM7 nightly 94. I will be updating to 97 tomorrow; maybe, just maybe, that will change the results with programs I'm describing here, such as oovoo and vtok not working. If it does, I will repost.
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CM 97 has some FFC/cam fixes(looked at changelog) so it might.

That's some BS. The G2X has been out 2 months longer then the Sensation! -__-
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ICS Drivers from... SONY?

Just a thought seeing as how us G2X and O2X folks are waiting patiently for ICS drivers to arrive if ever from LG. Article hitting a few Android sites has Sony releasing a PMP w/ a Tegra 2. Now there is no mention if this Tegra 2 is the same as our devices but hey here's hoping. Thoughts?
http://phandroid.com/2012/07/18/sony-introduces-walkman-f800-with-android-4-0-launching-in-august/

I read somewhere that this will be the Ventana (same as the G2x) and not the Harmony chip. This makes sense, since the Harmony chip is used almost exclusively in tablets. I can't find the article, so I don't know if this was speculation by the blogger or something official.

RobBull69 said:
I read somewhere that this will be the Ventana (same as the G2x) and not the Harmony chip. This makes sense, since the Harmony chip is used almost exclusively in tablets. I can't find the article, so I don't know if this was speculation by the blogger or something official.
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very unlikely to be ventana as that is a development board that lost support from nvidia a while back. thats why you havent seen many, if any at all, ventana based device released since harmony became available. think of ventana as the beta version and harmony as production release. there are no distinction of which version to use for tablet vs phone

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very unlikely to be ventana as that is a development board that lost support from nvidia a while back. thats why you havent seen many, if any at all, ventana based device released since harmony became available. think of ventana as the beta version and harmony as production release. there are no distinction of which version to use for tablet vs phone
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I don't get it, what exactly is the difference between the two? Is Harmony faster or use less power or something? Because doesn't it have all the same clock speeds, cache, RAM, etc...??

The problem will probably be in the fact that we don't have the driver source. If the driver is compiled for ICS it may work but I'm pretty sure we'll still need the driver source code or a driver compiled specifically for the G2x/O2x. Here's to hoping though.

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I don't get it, what exactly is the difference between the two? Is Harmony faster or use less power or something? Because doesn't it have all the same clock speeds, cache, RAM, etc...??
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As far as I know, the ONLY difference is the GPU. Ventana is clocked at 300Mhz for the GPU and Harmony at 333Mhz.

Never will these drivers be released for this device. Those numb nuts at NVIDIA are waiting for this device to die.

http://www.androidcentral.com/zte-grand-x-hands
This is the closet you're going to get to the G2X/O2X interms of GPU wise.

I hope the devs can cook something up. There are a few devices that are coming out with Tegra 2 and Ics. Keeps fingers crossed . If not then on to HTC and lg never again
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NVIDIA Tegra 2 and ICS

This weekend, my mother in law purchased a used Acer Iconia A100 from her son. She asked me to give her a crash course on it.
So I'm looking, at it, not bad. I'm like this thing has ICS 4.0.3... Cool... I decided to look at the specs... Yep, it has the Tegra 2... I'm telling myself there is no way this thing works in the video camera... Well, shockingly it works perfectly!
So why in hell does the Acer Iconia A100 vid cam works with ICS and not our phones? I verified the Acer site and they only have Honeycomb in terms of OS. So I guess my bro in law updated it himself but what I'm really pissed off at is why the video camera works like a charm on his...
WTF?

No!
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What I'm guessing is ics isn't that much of a big leap from honeycomb, or he just changed the build.prop to 4.0.3 to make him feel good about himself.
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That table got an official ICS update last April:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...rly-to-some-lucky-users-download-link-inside/
Which puts LG to shame regarding its lack of ICS updates for existing devices.

OK must of been Acer Canada that's behind in their updates!
But with that said... That means the basic drivers and code are probably available for the Tegra 2 for ICS if Acer was able to get it running... Sorry, far from being any type of programmer but do we really LG to do anything here or can any Dev pic off some code from the ROM on the Acer and work some magic.

NVIDIA just supplies the chip, the Tegra 2. It's up to the phone manufacturer to design the phone with a chipset and software. Every phone manufacturer is different so they must write different drivers.
The phone manufacturer is responsible for the drivers. It's not NVIDIA, it's up to LG and Acer to provide drivers for their chipset. Understand?

Bigs73 said:
OK must of been Acer Canada that's behind in their updates!
But with that said... That means the basic drivers and code are probably available for the Tegra 2 for ICS if Acer was able to get it running... Sorry, far from being any type of programmer but do we really LG to do anything here or can any Dev pic off some code from the ROM on the Acer and work some magic.
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NVIDIA provides full-featured drivers for their SOC which the original equipment manufacturers (OEM) apply to their devices. The OEM enables/disables various driver features and tests their operation. If bugs/problems are revealed with the drivers, the OEM consults with NVIDIA which may cause NVIDIA to generate another driver. It is an iterative process. Even the latest NVIDIA driver for ICS for the Tegra2 AP20H has known bugs. I think the NVIDIA driver problems is what's partly to blame for the delayed release of ICS for phones with that SOC.

Just a reminder that people are forgetting that the Tegra 2 in our phones is a completely different chip than a Tegra 2 elsewhere. Numerous phones have ICS with a Tegra 2 chip working fine, but those are not ones that use the same chip as ours.

Thanks for that clarification guys! Makes more sense now! :good:
Well sucks for LG then because this doesn't really encourage me to purchase another LG device in the future.