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good morning i'm here to ask you wich of this two phones is better: hd2 with windows phone 7 or lg optimus 7 thank so much
can some one also share the hardware specificatopn of this two cellulars thanks
Select the 2 models, press compare:
http://www.hellkom.co.za/cellphones/compare.php
HD2... Android, wp7, wm 6.5... ubuntu, a great community behind... one of the best phones ever seen...
gastrella said:
good morning i'm here to ask you wich of this two phones is better: hd2 with windows phone 7 or lg optimus 7 thank so much
can some one also share the hardware specificatopn of this two cellulars thanks
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If you want a genuine WP7 experience, the LG is the way to go. The HD2 is the world's best phone for a lot of things, but it can't give you a permanent WP7 solution. Without a key, you can't use the Live features and they are foundation of the OS...Market, Zune, Live hub and so forth.
I admire HD2 as a real king of phones.
But for a real, supported WP7 experience get LG.
And this phone rocks too. Absolutely.
Almost no flaws. Pictures in low light could be sharper.
i made this question because i've got an htc hd2 with A lot of optional (3 batteries a doking station 8 gb of microsd 2 gel protector ecc ) and one of my friend offerme an optimus 7 plus 50€ for it ... do you think i've to Accept the offert ?
gastrella said:
i made this question because i've got an htc hd2 with A lot of optional (3 batteries a doking station 8 gb of microsd 2 gel protector ecc ) and one of my friend offerme an optimus 7 plus 50€ for it ... do you think i've to Accept the offert ?
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If it is the 1024 Leo, no! If it is the 512 Leo, yeah.
Do not get LG optimus 7. It's looks solid but has crappy hardware. I've sent mine back twice and it's still buggy as hell. I switched to a different carrier and got the samsung focus and desperately trying to get rid of the LG.
i have the lg optimus 7 and the camera sucks bad on lg, especially with the flash. other than that its a very solid phone
which is the bug of lg?
Well its still hard to say but the touchscreen can be ridiculously unresponsive at times. Now this seems to happen in certain situations like when changing the volume to ringer or attempting anything in ie. You should know that the only way to wake the device is rto use the small button at the top. I am going back today to check about the screen but other wise I am very happy with it.
HD2, No question... It's not every phone where you can run WM 6.5 AND WP7 on....the best of both worlds...
If they made it on a CDMA network (CDMA coverage is better than GSM in my area), It would be the only phone I would buy.
if you want a WP7 device, trade. Unless you're a developer the HD2 id factorably worse than devices designed for the OS they run.
Also extra batteries are useless when you have a hard case on the phone. Most people could care less if you have them because it's a pain in the rear to remove an otterbox or body glove case all the time to swap batteries.
Hell, swapping batteries period is a pain, imo. Lol.
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if you want a WP7 device, trade. Unless you're a developer the HD2 id factorably worse than devices designed for the OS they run.
Also extra batteries are useless when you have a hard case on the phone. Most people could care less if you have them because it's a pain in the rear to remove an otterbox or body glove case all the time to swap batteries.
Hell, swapping batteries period is a pain, imo. Lol.
Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
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I gotta disagree there. That isn't the experience I have. In fact I say it's "factorably" better than devices running OEM OSes. I've used a number of genuine Android phones such as the Nexus S, Evo and DesireHDs and the HD2 running their ROMs is generally smoother and just as fast. The Nexus S ROM especially is better running on the HD2...at least it feels better.
Worse quality screen than even the HD7 and Evo 4G. Small battery (same size as HD7). Has issues failing due to MoBo issues after some time (overheating, freezing, and random chain-resets, etc.) <- this is the main reason most T-Mobile reps try to steer people away FROM the HD2, and why they do the same for the HD7 (the devices are too similar with similar naming, so they assume the HD7 will have the same issues). Camera is not competitive. Hardware buttons on the front get sort of loose on some phones after heavy use.
The build materials are quite good. The specs are rather coincidental IRT WP7
But there are better phones.
The HD7 is good as a developer device because it can be hacked to run 3-4 smartphone OSes, meaning as a developer you do not have to buy a new phone to develop for WP7 or Android if you're moving off of Windows Mobile.
But the newer devices designed for their respective OSes are better devices.
Yes, Carrier Branded devices offer suffer from performance issues due to bloatware and carrier modifications, but I don't agree that an HD2 outperforms a Nexus S, or even a Nexus One. Sorry.
I do have 3 different phones (HD2, HD7, Vibrant), so I've done this comparison - side by side, already.
In the case of Android devices, they tend to come with large internal storage in addition to an SD Card Slot (not the Nexus S, though), which give them yet another advantage over the HD2. It has basically just a 1GB ROM and an SD slot. Sorry, but I'll take a 16GB NAND (12.6GB free) with an 8GB cheap Class 4/6 SD Card over going out and spending $150for a good quality name brand 32GB SD Card (not the cheap knockoffs everyone is getting from eBay, etc. having an SD fail on you sucks esp when you have tons of data on it).
But whatever floats your boat.
The HD2 is only like $49.99 on contract these days so if you want one that badly, then just buy a new one and ETF the line later. If you sell your old phone, you may even come out a bit ahead...
ok thanks for the answare ... but i read in a lot of forum that lg optimus 7 is a bad phone because it freez and restart randomly it have a bad quality cameraand the screen a lot of time not responding .... all this bad thing is absent on my hd2 only the camera is bad when i use the flash ...
this is why i'm not sure to make the trade
is it true ?
N8ter said:
Worse quality screen than even the HD7 and Evo 4G. Small battery (same size as HD7). Has issues failing due to MoBo issues after some time (overheating, freezing, and random chain-resets, etc.) <- this is the main reason most T-Mobile reps try to steer people away FROM the HD2, and why they do the same for the HD7 (the devices are too similar with similar naming, so they assume the HD7 will have the same issues). Camera is not competitive. Hardware buttons on the front get sort of loose on some phones after heavy use.
The build materials are quite good. The specs are rather coincidental IRT WP7
But there are better phones.
The HD7 is good as a developer device because it can be hacked to run 3-4 smartphone OSes, meaning as a developer you do not have to buy a new phone to develop for WP7 or Android if you're moving off of Windows Mobile.
But the newer devices designed for their respective OSes are better devices.
Yes, Carrier Branded devices offer suffer from performance issues due to bloatware and carrier modifications, but I don't agree that an HD2 outperforms a Nexus S, or even a Nexus One. Sorry.
I do have 3 different phones (HD2, HD7, Vibrant), so I've done this comparison - side by side, already.
In the case of Android devices, they tend to come with large internal storage in addition to an SD Card Slot (not the Nexus S, though), which give them yet another advantage over the HD2. It has basically just a 1GB ROM and an SD slot. Sorry, but I'll take a 16GB NAND (12.6GB free) with an 8GB cheap Class 4/6 SD Card over going out and spending $150for a good quality name brand 32GB SD Card (not the cheap knockoffs everyone is getting from eBay, etc. having an SD fail on you sucks esp when you have tons of data on it).
But whatever floats your boat.
The HD2 is only like $49.99 on contract these days so if you want one that badly, then just buy a new one and ETF the line later. If you sell your old phone, you may even come out a bit ahead...
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No need to be sorry. You have your opinion, we all have our own opinions. But I am speaking from experience. Have you used a Nexus S?
gastrella said:
ok thanks for the answare ... but i read in a lot of forum that lg optimus 7 is a bad phone because it freez and restart randomly it have a bad quality cameraand the screen a lot of time not responding .... all this bad thing is absent on my hd2 only the camera is bad when i use the flash ...
this is why i'm not sure to make the trade
is it true ?
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Exactly. The only consistent problem with the HD2 is the green hue of the camera image with flash.
MartyLK said:
Exactly. The only consistent problem with the HD2 is the green hue of the camera image with flash.
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I don't see that as a big problem unless you're printing pictures... in which case Photoshop easily fixes the hues.
I'll always suggest a pure WP7 experience over a tainted one. The HD2 is similar to the HD7 only less responsive and HTC's WP7 devices have been less than impressive as is. So yeah, 100 percent go LG.
gastrella said:
ok thanks for the answare ... but i read in a lot of forum that lg optimus 7 is a bad phone because it freez and restart randomly it have a bad quality cameraand the screen a lot of time not responding .... all this bad thing is absent on my hd2 only the camera is bad when i use the flash ...
this is why i'm not sure to make the trade
is it true ?
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Complete bull****.
I run LG Optimus 7 all the time and it's almost bug free.
Never had any problem with unresponsive touch screen. Restarted ONCE through the whole usage cycle.
And it's my main phone..
Camera is good, it's not stellar. Yes in low light has some sharpness problem but it shows real colours.
Hello all,
Been looking at this phone for a while, want an upgrade my desire as
it just lags bit much more then i like and battery not as good.
My question is:
What is the vodafone stock levels like? Where is the best place to buy i.e. shop , online , phones 4 u.
Ive been looking forums and seen people saying online have been having stock issues , so was just curious?
On a side note , has anyone upgrade from desire/similar and can
say its worth the upgrade? I worked out it only going to cost me around £100 to
upgrade which I'm happy to pay - but is it worth it? (After i sell the phone and cancel my current contract etc..)
Also , how much internal memory has the desire got left to use on first boot?
Not seen a deffinate answer yet? I've heard around 1gb?
Any plus/minus is worth knowing to help my decide?
Thanks
I've heard it's a great phone, with few issues.
But I've heard from some Desire users and DHD users that it's not much of an upgrade, in that you could pass it off as a "Desire-PRO." The feel will be pretty much the same, just with a better camera and touch screen buttons at the bottom. I've also heard that Sense 3 is not that much of a big step up. (the homescreen has a different animation, though)
In my opinion, from a Desire, the only thing your really upgrading to is the new lock screen, speed improvements and more storage.
(There's more RAM, but you get left with 197MB actually available for apps to actually use. On my Desire, I get 155MB left available for apps)
Of course if you a HTC fan, and that's what your looking for, then by all means it's a great phone, after all the Desire was pretty amazing.
If you fancy a change, you could look at the Atrix or GSII (or one of the optimus phones)
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I don't actually have a Sensation, but have been intensively reading the forums for the last month or so. (I'm in the process of deciding what to upgrade as well)
If the QHD screen is not the killer feature for you, you can quite easily run Sense 3.0 on the DHD, as many people are doing already.
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If the QHD screen is not the killer feature for you, you can quite easily run Sense 3.0 on the DHD, as many people are doing already.
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I agree. qHD is a "failed" technology. It's pretty damn good, but it's an "inbetween technology." It'll be around for 4-6 months and then we're going to have ultra-high-resolutions in the market, which will simply triumph all other displays.
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I've heard it's a great phone, with few issues.
(There's more RAM, but you get left with 197MB actually available for apps to actually use. On my Desire, I get 155MB left available for apps)
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Thanks for that useful stuff!
im seriously thinking now. I think i would love the bigger screen size and quality ,
im agains the samsung simple for the feel of it, i hate the galaxy s , as i class the feel of the phone as one of the most important (as doesnt matter how good a phone is, if you hate the feel in your hand then not very good)
Im confused about the quote, you mention ram at the start then say only
197mb free for apps,
do you mean there only 197mb internal memory spare for apps?
If thats true that is a big minus!
Phil750123 said:
Thanks for that useful stuff!
im seriously thinking now. I think i would love the bigger screen size and quality ,
im agains the samsung simple for the feel of it, i hate the galaxy s , as i class the feel of the phone as one of the most important (as doesnt matter how good a phone is, if you hate the feel in your hand then not very good)
Im confused about the quote, you mention ram at the start then say only
197mb free for apps,
do you mean there only 197mb internal memory spare for apps?
If thats true that is a big minus!
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No, by 197mb RAM i mean that, that's all you have for apps to use - RAM is not storage. RAM is Random Access Memory. Basically the more RAM available, the more things the phone will be able to do WITHOUT lagging up and getting slow.
In the beginning i was referring to 1GB of space of internal storage to store all of your apps.
Cheers for that -
Heard any issue with stock? ideally i want to walk into a shop on Friday and pick one up, might ring first just in case
Hi Phil,
I got mine yesterday from Phones4U, they had no stock problems as far as I know.
It has around 600Mb+ free for app installations (plus the 8Gb SD card of course). As previously mentioned, there is about 200Mb RAM free on boot too.
Only lag I've had today has been when updating the Vodafone settings (data plan stuff) which needed a reboot, but I'm guessing it was just a glitch with one of the apps using the connection at the time, as otherwise, its been as fluid as a, erm, fluid thing.
Battery: pretty much constant web, market and facebook chat usage on 3G, plus a few 3 or so minute calls = down to 12% battery by about 2pm (unplugged 7am)
rp-x1 - Does your Phones4U Sensation have Vodafone branding or is it running Generic Europe firmware?
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In my opinion, from a Desire, the only thing your really upgrading to is the new lock screen, speed improvements and more storage.
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Plus Bluetooth 3, plus twin-CPUs, plus HDMI out ........
Dave
rp-x1 said:
Hi Phil,
I got mine yesterday from Phones4U, they had no stock problems as far as I know.
It has around 600Mb+ free for app installations (plus the 8Gb SD card of course). As previously mentioned, there is about 200Mb RAM free on boot too.
Only lag I've had today has been when updating the Vodafone settings (data plan stuff) which needed a reboot, but I'm guessing it was just a glitch with one of the apps using the connection at the time, as otherwise, its been as fluid as a, erm, fluid thing.
Battery: pretty much constant web, market and facebook chat usage on 3G, plus a few 3 or so minute calls = down to 12% battery by about 2pm (unplugged 7am)
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Thanks useful stuff coming from someone who brought it !
And yer the screen and speed are my biggest wants . 600 mb is plenty so that sorted that problem!
Im edging towards it closer and closer! Specially as my desire battery seems to be dieing , i was one first to get one before the release date so had it 15 odd months and battery life getting worse and worse.
Also thinking of upgrade from Desire to Sensation but worried about losing the optical joystick (or whatever it is called). I seem to use it a lot for close up fiddly movements of the cursor. Does new software cope without it? Do any new phones still have the hardware?
RaymondScrott said:
Also thinking of upgrade from Desire to Sensation but worried about losing the optical joystick (or whatever it is called). I seem to use it a lot for close up fiddly movements of the cursor. Does new software cope without it? Do any new phones still have the hardware?
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I was worried the same untill i played with my boss's desire s (without the trackpad)
HTC/android has some new little arrow buttons you can use to be more accurate which is why the trackpad has been removed on all new phones.
Takes a while to get used to it but it made me happy not getting a trackpad
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rp-x1 - Does your Phones4U Sensation have Vodafone branding or is it running Generic Europe firmware?
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Hi, it has Vodafone branding, but can only see the Vodafone logo on boot and a 360 app in the list. Otherwise it 'looks' largely untouched
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There am i thinking HTC were starting to get in touch with its customers
OH NO!!!!
NO EXTERNAL Storage on there New Phones
instead there offering 25gb Cloud storage
so any one that is throttled with there data is well screwed
Why is HTC trying to copy Apple
They will end up in court for one
Plus we buy HTC because there nothing like Apple have have these features
Yes were getting 1GB of memory oooooo thats not alot
Mind You memory and HTC has never been good bed fellows
Do they think we will buy there phones because there more like iphones errrrrr NO !!!
HTC's PR CEO must be a APPLE fan
The other thing is we get a external simm slot
Who wanted this how many times do people change there simm
I think a memo has got mixed up in translation here
eg a external SD slot
HTC is always looking for ways to lower costs. Perhaps in doing this they can improve manufacturing quality.
NO EXTERNAL Storage on there New Phones except cloud - I feel this is the new trend we will be seeing...
Yes were getting 1GB of memory oooooo thats not alot - lets see how well the phones run with ICS and 1GB... I remeber my first laptop only had 256mb until I upgraded it...
The other thing is we get a external simm slot - My gf has 2 phones she constantly switches between, one portable and one smartphone
All in all I think the one x seems like a pretty sweet phone and will probably be my INC2 replacement. Although I'm not a big fan of the non-removable battery....
When I heard about them putting more energy into Beats audio and better cameras.. No HTC phones for more, for a while
THEY'RE ignoring people that don't know THEIR "theirs" from their "theres"! So they don't give a hoot what you think!
They've lost two advantages for android over apple, an external SD card and a removable battery.
I would be done with this move if it had a mega battery, but that 1800mah will probably crap out pretty quick. The 26gb is enough for me so avoiding the nexus becusse of its 16gb isn't so much of an issue here
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yea, im not impressed with the "One" line of phones. I dont like the X simple because of the brick shape that mimics the GS2S look, as i prefer a more rounded look to the phone.
Lack of replaceable battery and mSD slot is a deal breaker. I just purchased a microSD 32gig so im not letting it rot.
Ill keep going after the Amaze.
Well lets hope its not a trend
The S3 should keep the external SD as a dig at Apple
But removable batteries are a must these phones look cheep to me
This opens up it competitors LG seem to be improving and listening and they needed to
My next phone looks like a Razor Max Europe version (unlocked Bootloader)
But yet again HTC cutting costs but were still paying full for them
looks like more custom developers will be leaving there me thinking they listened to XDA
What I am looking for is a compact phone not a mini TV like the one X or galaxy S3.
My options are one S, xperia S and galaxy S2. One S is overall the superior but annoyingly it is severely gimped by HTC in the storage. Why wont they release the 32GB version and charge a bit more for it?
What does HTC think that I am gonna buy the one X if I want more memory? No HTC there are plenty of other companies fighting to get my $ and there are plenty of phones other than the one X and one S.
Samsung has already sent HTC to the distant second in the android camp and yet they act like they can gimp their second best phone in something so essential as storage. It is one thing not having a technological edge over your competitor okay fine but these sort intentional things to bottleneck your phone are just ridiculous.
The one X is beat by S3 but the one S seems to rule it's category of 4.3" phones. Hurrah HTC for not realizing you had a real winner with the one S. 10GB USB storage is a joke for a phone that can record 1080p video and play all the latest games.
At least they could have used unified storage like the galaxy nexus to make 16GB total space somewhat more acceptable.
that is so true. But to bring only 16gb to europe seems to be more commen these days. The S3 will also only come with 16gb...
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HighRoIIer said:
that is so true. But to bring only 16gb to europe seems to be more commen these days. The S3 will also only come with 16gb...
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Hmm S3 has 16/32/64GB variants and more importantly all of them have SD card slot so it doesnt matter even if one can only get 16GB one.
We have less than 16gigs on our phone. To use,that is. Very disappointing
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Fully agree!
if storage is an issue...get something else
problem solved!
But it's not that easy choice. The thing is that you don't have that many alternatives in this phone/price class. U don't buy a phone just for SD-slot . I would love to have so powerful handset like One S. I am sure that it'll have a decent devs' support (unlikely to xperia s) pretty soon. Lack of SD-slot makes purchase of One S a quite big compromise though. I think it was extremely stupid move of HTC. They were on a best way to have a crown king of 4.3" phones. If you consider all pros and cons one year old (and of course less powerful but still very solid) S2 doesn't seem a bad choice today.
Yes exactly the S2 may have a slower CPU but other than that it equals or beats the one S in everything else. Better screen, SD card slot and removable battery.
SD card would be a non issue for me with 32GB and removable battery is an advantage but not really a significant one. Comon HTC still you have time, be wise and release a 32GB version.
I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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Lets wait for a kernel hack and maybe we can repartition the space. I don't need 2gb internal storage, only 1gb so this would be a little help.
Also if USB host mode can get enabled, if we are taking recording a few HD videos, we will be able to offload them. Not ideal but a workaround. It wouldn't be so bad if we did actually have 16gb storage, but by default were left with 10gb usable space.
Apparently 4gb is used for the O/S and Sense. This can certainly be halved for me. So hopefully we will be able to get 13gb of usable storage space.
Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, So users can just upload **** to dropbox or similar, and download some new stuff.. All my pics and videos are automatically sent to the cloud, so i dont need them on my phone 24/7..
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. So for me its absolutely fine... However i do feel a bit ''cheated'' after realising the whole 16gb wasnt useable... I would have imagined it to be about 20gb - 4gb for system/apps whatever and 16gb for the actual user...
but thats life, find a workaround if you really want this phone, the rest of us did
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I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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I've never said that HTC in general is silly(they made a stupid move ). Hold on your horses. I just think that 16 gb of memory (10 gb user available) is a joke when a hq photo weighs 3 mb, and a nand backup approx. 1 GB (Well AOSP based a half of it). It's not about meeting my personal desires. Either SD-slot or more than 16 gb of internal storage is definitely NOT a luxury in 2012 (and especially not for a popular and one of the most expensive android phones). And lack of possibility to extend it is IMO a step backwards. I am aware that One X is a flagship, but come on it doesn't mean users that prefer 4.3" have to "shut up, be grateful" and do not demand anything more than it was brought in 2011. I do not expect a quad-core CPU, it's not my goal. But Galaxy S2 standard with something faster than Mali 400? Why shouldn't I? It's 2012.
For some users it is enough with 10 GB of storage and I respect that. For me is not. I flash a lot of software, I play with theming, and thus I need a lot of free space for roms, mods and nand backups (Sometimes I restore different backups several times a day), + some 3-4 gb for music (not everything can be found on spotify) and video-files.
I still think HTC One S is a very interesting device with huge potential to become a legendary phone, but as any other handset it has its cons that should be taken into consideration before I make my final decision about purchase.
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I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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One X has the HD screen and quad core CPU to lure power users. It doesnt take a power user to not be happy with 10GB storage.
Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC. I think the main purpose of the one S to be an option for those who dont like big phones.
And I wont be buying a 16GB one S, I just made the thread in a very naive hope that maybe someone at HTC would notice lol.
azzledazzle said:
Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, So users can just upload **** to dropbox or similar, and download some new stuff.. All my pics and videos are automatically sent to the cloud, so i dont need them on my phone 24/7..
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. So for me its absolutely fine... However i do feel a bit ''cheated'' after realising the whole 16gb wasnt useable... I would have imagined it to be about 20gb - 4gb for system/apps whatever and 16gb for the actual user...
but thats life, find a workaround if you really want this phone, the rest of us did
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Cloud storage is BS for everyday usage. Even if one has unlimited it sucks battery.
And it's also an extra element of file management that I would rather not have to deal with.
Gambler_3 said:
Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC. I think the main purpose of the one S to be an option for those who dont like big phones.
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Exactly, One S is HTC's second most expensive device! The crown king of smartphones' world in 2011 was a 4.3" device. Today all flagships are 4.6"+ but it doesn't mean that 4'3" suddenly became low ends with no chances for further development.
I guess it's only Sony that sees the demand for powerful handsets with smaller screens- and I am grateful for that
@m.kochan10: I absolutely agree with you that the storage might become quite little regarding the usage of some of us. And I really don't like HTC to announce a phone with 16GB if there are only 10GB for free purpose. It's quite normal that those storage sizes never are promoted exactly and I'm aware of the fact that you actually can calculate this way since the other GBs actually do exist, but it's not fair regarding people thinking they'll have about 16GB for their media or what else.
m.kochan10 said:
Either SD-slot or more than 16 gb of internal storage is definitely NOT a luxury in 2012 (...) And lack of possibility to extend it is IMO a step backwards.
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There are right and false points in those statements IMHO. You're right that e.g. 32GB internal storage wouldn't be luxury and practicable even without additional costs for the device. But I actually worked for a lot of companies which had to make such decisions and I can guarantee that this is a calculated, strategical, economical decision. The simply want to make differences between those two devices larger. Why?
Gambler_3 said:
Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC.
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Because it means $$$.. Those two devices have most probably the same costs of production, the One S most likely even is more expensive in production and $100 difference per sold device mean a huge amount of capital. Folks I don't want to say that you should "shut up and be grateful", of course not. But complaining about economical decisions of a global player won't change a thing until they sell their devices. The don't give anything about what we think as long as they sell those devices and earn money. Selling the One X is far more lucrative. We simply have to think about the fact, that more than 80% of all world wide consumers actually don't give that much about tech spec as we do here. They like to see and feel a cool, slim, new device that has on letter huge numbers like 12mp cam, 100gb storage and 4ghz octa core cpu's not even knowing what that would be mean but having something to show off with in front of others. But they do not enter forums like this one, the do not root the device, they do not have nandroid backups, custom roms etc. Regarding this we even on Android are the minority. The average user will not complain about 10gb as long as she is able to put some of her music on it, shoot some pics and vids while on the road and installing most popular apps. And if you let people (who did not buy the flagship) choose between a 10mm-device with SD slot and removable battery and a 8mm-device with fixed storage and battery, most average users would choose the slim one. It's all about numbers and $$$, not about what HTC would be able to do. They're simply not willing and have reasons for this.
Regarding SD cards:
I appreciate it to avoid them since they are slow, not state of the art anymore and are trouble makers in any purpose you can think of. Of course from the users point of view it's nice to have extendable and removable storage that is quite cheap as well, but developers actually hate them because app development suffers from this. It's just like always: We have pros and cons here.
So I just want to make sure that I don't want to tell you that it's cool that we only have 10GBs, but that HTC has of course thought about this and that they have clear reasons for their decisions ($).
azzledazzle said:
Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, ...
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. /snip
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Really? Most people that I know have 1GB/month dataplans.
And as for universal wifi - this is sorely lacking as well.
Moreover, the first rule of travel: never rely on networks
I think that HTC should have made 16GB available to the user and that would have been fine for me - 10GB is a bit small. But I understand why they didn't.
Drawbacks of a microSD slot:
*SD card speed confusion
*battery drain issues (different cards have different current consumption)
*cost and space of a card slot
*lots of people buying microSD cards that are fake or sub-par, thereby creating stability issues that are blamed on HTC, but in fact lie with the card.
aza314 said:
Drawbacks of a microSD slot:
*SD card speed confusion
*battery drain issues (different cards have different current consumption)
*cost and space of a card slot
*lots of people buying microSD cards that are fake or sub-par, thereby creating stability issues that are blamed on HTC, but in fact lie with the card.
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Good points
Now it's interesting discussion. I like that
@kyuubi_ac I agree that manufacturers think first of all about average users that want to enjoy their shiny devices "out of the box" and I understand their decision from a strategic, and microeconomic point of view. Average user doesn't know what is "recovery mode" not to mention a nandroid backup, and for such users 10 GB ... is not a tragedy as long as everything works as it is supposed to.
We...somehow more demanding users must consider every feature more carefully and it's almost always a compromise. Would you like to have a faster CPU/GPU or bigger storage and slightly slower processor? Better camera or unlocked bootloader and better devs' support? All about opportunity costs.
Absolutely agreeing.
I dont agree at all that it was in the best interest of business for HTC to take such decisions. No offense to any HTC fan but if HTC really knew how to do business then they wouldnt have lost so much marketshare to samsung, they wouldnt have made so little profit in the last quarter.
HTC is not apple people dont blindly buy their product, a company like HTC really needs hardcore users to like their devices and then spread the word.
Even apple makes 3 different storage variants of their phones, clearly there is demand for different kinds of storage or else they wont.
Even the low end one V has more storage than one S because it supports SD card pop in a 16GB card and you have total 15.5GB usable memory. OMG see how ridiculous is it??
If HTC wasnt serious about one S they shouldnt have released it. They have essentially ruined the phone for an item that doesnt even cost $20 to manufacture.
Sadly, it has come to the time to replace my my trusty HD2, which has been the best phone I have ever owned.
Because of it's sheer awesomeness, there's some pretty big shoes to fill being left by the HD2 (and that is in no small part to the amazing work of certain people on this forum to literally turn the HD2 in to the device it was meant to have been via incredible ROM dev).
Tmob USA are offering me a One-S and on paper it looks pretty good but can avy of you tell me if it't a worthy upgrade?
The main thing that worries me is the lack of SD card (and only 1gb of internal mem if I'm reading it right?).
The other thing is that it doesn't seem to multitask well and at some points have several very intensive things happening with my phone at once (GPS nva, while downloading a torrent, while being on a voice call and googling something for instance).
Can anyone tell me if the One-S will stand up?
If yiu are due for an upgrade wait four more days and get the sgs3. It has ext card as well. Htc one s is a good phone as well though.
The HD2 is a cult classic. Is the One S a good contender? It certainly is. The phone imo opinion hits the sweet spot going by size, easy one handed operation which I believe is necessary.
It has 16GB total memory and 1GB ram. From the 16GB, 10GB is accessible for photo's and the like. Dropbox have a sense 4 promotion that when you sign you you get 25GB free, so size shouldnt be an issue. Multi-tasking has been fine for me, but that is user dependent.
With the S4 snapdragon soc you have a true next generation processor, so performance will be amazing. Its the same processor in the ATT One X, Evo 4G LTE and rumoured to be in the Samsung GS3 LTE variant.
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Sadly, it has come to the time to replace my my trusty HD2, which has been the best phone I have ever owned.
Because of it's sheer awesomeness, there's some pretty big shoes to fill being left by the HD2 (and that is in no small part to the amazing work of certain people on this forum to literally turn the HD2 in to the device it was meant to have been via incredible ROM dev).
Tmob USA are offering me a One-S and on paper it looks pretty good but can avy of you tell me if it't a worthy upgrade?
The main thing that worries me is the lack of SD card (and only 1gb of internal mem if I'm reading it right?).
The other thing is that it doesn't seem to multitask well and at some points have several very intensive things happening with my phone at once (GPS nva, while downloading a torrent, while being on a voice call and googling something for instance).
Can anyone tell me if the One-S will stand up?
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It's one thing to ask for input from people but until you actually go to the store and hold one in your hand and use it a little it won't be the same, personally I love it and I have a few different devices but what I like might not be what your looking for and the fact that you can't just pull the battery or put in a sd card usually makes people leery about getting it but after actually holding it and testing it out I was sold.
It's worth checking out, I had my upgrade for a few months and I waited to see how it felt in the store and bought it on the spot there's something about the way HTC builds their devices that makes me feel better about having one, they are solid in build and lack that plastic feel ( like it's gonna break if you bend it though not intentional it happens) the weight is deceiving and after holding a MT4G it feels so much lighter but just as strong.
I don't wanna make your decision for you though just go in and mess with it, you'll know if it's right for you...
Best phone ever
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Did the same switch from HD2 to HOS and it was the best choice of these times. Mayby in future I'll consider switching to another that will have an sd card additionally, if HTC will manufacture such device (same specs and dimensions as HOS but with an sd card ). Otherwise love the phone, battery life is amazing comparing wirh HD 2. Rom development not so extensive as for HD 2 but in time...... It's a good choice to go for the HOS
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I switched from HD2 to ONE S.
No regrets.
Not one bit.
Switched from the hd2 also...and im vary happy. But I do wish it had more storage or a external memory. But that's because I have a lot of music. And some places I go don't have good coverage and google play dosent stream well. But if you don't plan on storing large amounts of media on your phone you'll be fine. If I had a do over I'd still get this phone. It's a good solid phone.
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I have just upgraded from HTC HD2 to HTC ONE S...The phone will be delivered in 2 days...can't wait.
I made the same jump, upgraded from HD2 to the One S. I love it, the size and feel of the device is great! No regrets here, but it is dependent on your use case. For example, if you can't live without an sdcard because you have a ton of music and images etc then it might not be the phone for you and the S3 might be the one that suits you. Now if that isn't something that will be an issue for you then the One S won't disappoint!
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From HD2 with CM7 to One S with ICS. (forced upgrade due to screen shattering).
1) Both phone have solid construction. the HD2 lasted 2 years and expect the One S to last longer
2) thin, the One S is much thinner and lighter
3) Screen, screen size are similar, however One S looks a little better
4) ICS is great. I dont' even mind Sense 4.0. Will try CM9 when the last bugs are worked out (camcorder)