Hi, I have noticed a ton of people curious about why AT&T people do not have ICS yet, so I thought I would answer that once and for all. I admit that I and others have gotten a little mad whenever people ask about this, but it seems they are not able to really find a clear answer, so here it is.
If you feel like this is well done, please sticky it at least until we get it all figured out.
I figure this would be best said i a Q and A type form.
Q: What is ICS, and why does everyone want it so bad?
ICS or "Ice Cream Sandwich" is android version 4.0.x. the next version, 4.1 Jellybean was just released as a slightly less important update, but ICS brought huge changes from Ginger Bread (2.3.x) the previous phone version (3.x HoneyComb was tablet only). ICS brings a slicker, darker, and better looking user interface, as well as many performance enhancements. Most of us want it more because it seems like we should than because it is actually that much better. That said it is still a great update, and most people will be happy to see it.
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Q: Why is it so hard to get ICS for our phone, while others have it even though it is not officially out?
The main reason is our locked bootloader. That means it is not possible to flash or boot a custom kernel unless it is signed with Motorola's key. That is obviously impossible.
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Q: What is a kernel?
the kernel is a major part of any operating system. you can think of it as a sort of layer between hardware and software. It is the part of an OS that communicates directly with a device's hardware. Android is based off the open source Linux kernel, meaning it is free for anybody to build and modify. However, Motorola has only released the source for the ME865, and partially for the MB865, meaning we can't really build a kernel anyways. Then of course, even if we could build one, we wouldn't be able to boot it with our locked bootloader.
ICS is not really complete without the newer kernel that goes with it
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What is Kexec, and is there any way to unlock the bootloader
The fact that I grouped these together would probably lead you to correctly believe they are related. Lets start with the second half. Simply put, NO. I hate to say it, but there is very little hope of EVER unlocking our bootloader, unless Motorola decides to do something like HTC did and allow unlocking.
Kexec is a method of hot switching kernels while still booted. It is actually just a linux tool that you can use on a computer, but it has been built for android essentially allowing you to bypass the bootloader. Theoretically it would be an easy way to run custom kernels. Then why don't we? Well a few reasons. One, we can't really get one built to begin with, especially because, at least to my knowledge, jimbridgman is the only one who actually knows what he is doing with kernel building, and he is only half here now that he got his fany new SGS3. Two, it does not work great. I am not sure the latest version is working at all on our phone, and even if it did, only one processor comes up, meaning it is really slow.
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Q: What's the deal with these Droid 3 builds that supposedly boot?
Some people managed to build ICS for the droid 3 based of a 2.3.6 kernel. that means you can boot it on a stock GB kernel, and therefore you do not need to unlock the bootloader. Unfortunately that means it is not totally ICS, but it is still pretty good. Of course they are for a cdma phone, so that means no data, no calls, and no gps, making it kind of useless.
I am not going to give a link to them, but if you are really interested go search around. any of the Droid 3 AOKP and CM9 builds will boot just fine. Find more info in the dev section, but please don't start a thread asking about it.
We have been trying to port these to work for us, but that is proving more difficult than expected, and with ICS just around the corner, I don't want to put time into it. I do think it is possible, and if you are a dev looking to give it a shot, PM me and I will tell you all I know, and try to help out as much as I can.
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Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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thanks. I felt it was needed. let me know if I forgot to say something important.
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Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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Nice work kras, as always.
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Hell i thought this thread was going to give me info on why att hadn't released ics for us yet. Just kidding, good job. If this thread falls down the list ill bump it so maybe it will help some of the new people and we won't get any more new threads about ics.
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Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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that's why I asked for sticky
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The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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Fall of Enosis said:
The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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so is September
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Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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yep. same thing. we have a hard time compiling any also source as you need a custom kernel
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Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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You are not right. I can prove it. The latest droid 3 AOKP and Cm9 builds will boot just fine, with no radio
You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....
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DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM9
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Couldn't be more wrong....they both boot just fine and are pretty functional, the problem lies in getting the radio to work.
Ravikirancg said:
Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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Agreed, They actually run extremely well, but obviously I can't stick with them with no radio.
P.S. this is my new best thought for porting, might take some extra build.prop work too. It did not boot for me, but I think we should be able to get it to. Then it is just a question of whether or not the radio will work. there is way more in build.prop on that than I would think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.
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You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....
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WOW, did I really forget to add that? that was kind of one of the main points of this post I'll fix it tomorrow (actually today, I guess it is after midnight), but I need some sleep.
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I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.
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I have tried this method along with every idea that popped in my head of things to alter after following this guide. I have a highly modified build prop that AOKP boots with that I replaced with a lot of our build prop but there are still some things missing as no luck yet
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What current phone under at&t has the most developing going on?
I upgraded from my Xperia x10 which had awesome development to the atrix 2 and the dev scene is not great .I'm a flashaholic and love changing my phone up so I'm considering buying a new one.question is which one?
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What current phone under at&t has the most developing going on?
I upgraded from my Xperia x10 which had awesome development to the atrix 2 and the dev scene is not great .I'm a flashaholic and love changing my phone up so I'm considering buying a new one.question is which one?
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HTC inspire has pretty good development going on. I have that phone besidesthe ATRIX 2. Im a flashaholic too and I flash like crazy on that phone waiting and hoping development picks up for this phone! Kinda upset I got rid of my of ATRIX. Cause now a lot of development is goin on for that too.
The Inspire is old, though.
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The Inspire is old, though.
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Im pretty sure the phones with the BEST development and going to be kinda old...
My vote would be either the international SGSII or one of its variants (I have i777 and things always seem to be booming over there).
Go get a Samsung phone, whichever is the latest one that AT&T has. They always have a TON of developers.
You know on the other hand you could just put in some time and learn and get some great ROMs in the process, lfaber06, cogery, and myself could really use the help, and it really is not all that hard, if you know anything about phones and flashing, and some about computers.
There is a thread in the development section on the tools needed to do this.
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Go get a Samsung phone, whichever is the latest one that AT&T has. They always have a TON of developers.
You know on the other hand you could just put in some time and learn and get some great ROMs in the process, lfaber06, cogery, and myself could really use the help, and it really is not all that hard, if you know anything about phones and flashing, and some about computers.
There is a thread in the development section on the tools needed to do this.
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I would love to learn more about development, but at 52 it's all a bit overwhelming at times. I may have to find something in the 250.00 dollar range and try though.
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Go get a Samsung phone, whichever is the latest one that AT&T has. They always have a TON of developers.
You know on the other hand you could just put in some time and learn and get some great ROMs in the process, lfaber06, cogery, and myself could really use the help, and it really is not all that hard, if you know anything about phones and flashing, and some about computers.
There is a thread in the development section on the tools needed to do this.
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I am considering it greatly .I'm going to start reading up on it.i am skilled in Photoshop and have no problems Modding/theming roms.pretty much anything graphical .i posted some mods past couple days in the themes section.but it ends there . Creating actual roms or porting i need to research,I'd love to contribute so ill look into tonight when home .
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I am considering it greatly .I'm going to start reading up on it.i am skilled in Photoshop and have no problems Modding/theming roms.pretty much anything graphical .i posted some mods past couple days in the themes section.but it ends there . Creating actual roms or porting i need to research,I'd love to contribute so ill look into tonight when home .
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BTW here is the link on the toold needed to build ROMs for our phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404442
And if you think you are up for it, sound off in the link below, then PM lfaber06 and I, we are collecting people to help with some dev work, and are going to make some task assignments in the next couple weeks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428117
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BTW here is the link on the toold needed to build ROMs for our phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404442
And if you think you are up for it, sound off in the link below, then PM lfaber06 and I, we are collecting people to help with some dev work, and are going to make some task assignments in the next couple weeks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428117
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I have a question .hope u can help.i cooked a rom with kitchenbfrom stock 2.3.6 rooted as base but when i make a flashable zip and try n install it ,it says "error code 0" any suggestions? I used updater-script for cwm since i know update script isn't capatible.
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I have a question .hope u can help.i cooked a rom with kitchenbfrom stock 2.3.6 rooted as base but when i make a flashable zip and try n install it ,it says "error code 0" any suggestions? I used updater-script for cwm since i know update script isn't capatible.
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I replied to your PM with everything you need to do...
Hi, I am looking for a FEW people to test out some ICS ROMS and report bugs to me. I would like only those who are at least a bit experienced, so that you know what you are doing, but if you are interested please reply here and I will send you a PM if I need you. Please don't flood my inbox with PMs.
Getting a few of you devs would be nice, since you really know what you are talking about.
Thanks
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lkrasner said:
Hi, I am looking for a FEW people to test out some ICS ROMS and report bugs to me. I would like only those who are at least a bit experienced, so that you know what you are doing, but if you are interested please reply here and I will send you a PM if I need you. Please don't flood my inbox with PMs.
Getting a few of you devs would be nice, since you really know what you are talking about.
Thanks
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I'm game. My girlfriend is using her upgraded A2 from the ATRIX 4G she was using before, so I can give her back the original ATRIX 4G and test on her A2... thus, keeping MY A2 as my primary device.
(I may have to buy her some flowers to complete the deal!) lol
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I would love to help , I'm not a dev but I do have some experience with android , likely will be able to flash the fxz if things go wrong
I'm up for testing What are your builds based off of? I've found that I like the AOKP Bionic ones best, in terms of performance and compatibility.
What modifications have you done to them?
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I'm up for testing What are your builds based off of? I've found that I like the AOKP Bionic ones best, in terms of performance and compatibility.
What modifications have you done to them?
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all it is for now is the droid 3 aokp and ics builds with modified build.props, just trying to get things out here. Dorid 4 and RAZR builds don't wan't to work for me, I have not tried bionic yet. the droid 3 aokp that I used in my most recent build will not boot, but that may be my fault with the mods, but other ones have worked. known issues so far are no sdcard in cm9, no wifi in cm9, and duh, no radio anwhere.
I'm Game!
I'll try it:cyclops:!
Anyone can feel free to download any builds I put up here: http://www.androidfilehost.com/main/Motorola_ATRIX_2_Developers/lkrasner/ (in subfolders mostly, so look around as I add more.)
Do not expect them to even boot, and it is not even remotely my problem if something goes wrong with them. make sure you know how to fxz back. Right now CM9 boots, but I do not think AOKP does, you can give it a shot though. Please hold off on bug reports for now, or PM them to me, as I will set up a thread in the dev section later or tomorrow.
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all it is for now is the droid 3 aokp and ics builds with modified build.props, just trying to get things out here. Dorid 4 and RAZR builds don't wan't to work for me, I have not tried bionic yet. the droid 3 aokp that I used in my most recent build will not boot, but that may be my fault with the mods, but other ones have worked. known issues so far are no sdcard in cm9, no wifi in cm9, and duh, no radio anwhere.
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I'll help out in getting a working rom however I can, based on your experimental builds you have so far. I think I have a semi-advanced enough knowledge base to test and/or any building.prop changes if need to be tried out... Eager to dig in to this!
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I'll test them tonight when i get off of work. I'll pm you in a few days with some reports. I might just have to take a vacation day off of work so i can test them out.
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Lkrasner I will pm you as soon as I get some free time and compare notes if you want. I will also send you s modified build.prop for AOSP that I modified with a lot of our build.prop and the cdma files removed that does boot.
I still have a few more ideas to try but the more heads in this the better we will be
For MB865 or ME865?
I'm Game too man.
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For MB865 or ME865?
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probably both. I'd love you to test me if yo have it
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Me too bro fully ready and partially free exams will end tomorrow and them only me and your ROM
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probably both. I'd love you to test me if yo have it
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I have MB865
I'm in.
Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865
Is it a simple flash or is it that process through safestrap?
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Is it a simple flash or is it that process through safestrap?
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just flash
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Preparing to flash on my special lady friend's A2 (talked her into letting me test on hers, but I have to do the dishes 'er something... I wasn't really listening). I'll let you know what happens.
Hello, I would be a beta tester. Every wants there ice cream sandwich so bad that I will help serve the community to help get ICS out early.
I will help fix bugs too!
Every other good phone has it...even the ones with locked BL like defy......
Come on guys..we have one of the best phones .....atrix 2 aint bull****...if not everything then maybe CM would atleast make most of us happy......be a team ..if not many then atleast one awsomely working CM ....i dont want samsung or htc....look at them ..brick bug or touch issues or battery backup........we have no issues except BL ......
And can someone tell me when kexec comes out.. usable for us.....
Im happy though with my A2
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Every other good phone has it...even the ones with locked BL like defy......
Come on guys..we have one of the best phones .....atrix 2 aint bull****...if not everything then maybe CM would atleast make most of us happy......be a team ..if not many then atleast one awsomely working CM ....i dont want samsung or htc....look at them ..brick bug or touch issues or battery backup........we have no issues except BL ......
And can someone tell me when kexec comes out.. usable for us.....
Im happy though with my A2
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seriously?? can a mod just lock this before it explodes
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I dont know anything...but its a harsh truth that moto wont unlock bootloader..
Locked boot loader means NO CM7/9.
PERIOD.
Whatever the defy boys have is probably some half-arsed hacked port.
Please, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, search before you ask next time.
Here, I'll do it for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=will+cyanogenmod+work+on+a+locked+bootloader?+
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seriously?? can a mod just lock this before it explodes
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Agreed. I hope we don't start seeing a bunch of these, "Well this phone or that phone can have (whatever) so what's up with the ATRIX 2?"
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Hmmm
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Every other good phone has it...even the ones with locked BL like defy......
Come on guys..we have one of the best phones .....atrix 2 aint bull****...if not everything then maybe CM would atleast make most of us happy......be a team ..if not many then atleast one awsomely working CM ....i dont want samsung or htc....look at them ..brick bug or touch issues or battery backup........we have no issues except BL ......
And can someone tell me when kexec comes out.. usable for us.....
Im happy though with my A2
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i know u r right...since i had defy with cm7 though its bootloader is unlocked ....but u cannot complain about it .....u bought the phone ...nobody forced u ......be happy with what u got nd devs can offer ...if u cant help....dnt expect to get help /......fair enough ,....not to be harsh ,its just as simple as that
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i know u r right...since i had defy with cm7 though its bootloader is unlocked ....but u cannot complain about it .....u bought the phone ...nobody forced u ......be happy with what u got nd devs can offer ...if u cant help....dnt expect to get help /......fair enough ,....not to be harsh ,its just as simple as that
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Or the OP could learn how to dev and try and compile CM9 for himself and see where he gets. Most of our devs did not start out as devs.
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Or the OP could learn how to dev and try and compile CM9 for himself and see where he gets. Most of our devs did not start out as devs.
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+1 to that A BIG ONE
This is getting to be a every day thing here and i personally am running out of patience because of people not taking five minutes to read up on their already answered questions. I propose that we start ignoring these type of posts from now on. That to me is the best solution.
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This is getting to be a every day thing here and i personally am running out of patience because of people not taking five minutes to read up on their already answered questions. I propose that we start ignoring these type of posts from now on. That to me is the best solution.
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+1
Agreed.
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@OP yea good attitude now go do RnD for yourself, you cant search sh!t in first place and you dare to order other respected people ? Just cut your [email protected] and stop posting useless threads.
+1 tmease. I concur.
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BOOMSHAKALAKAAAAA!
(That's this thread exploding :-D )
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Not a bad idea. I came from defy.
They basically run cm7/9 with an existing signed moto kernel.
Myself, am interested in porting the 2nd init from defy. Really hope I can do it.
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Not a bad idea. I came from defy.
They basically run cm7/9 with an existing signed moto kernel.
Myself, am interested in porting the 2nd init from defy. Really hope I can do it.
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Do a search... we already have done something similar, it is slow, and not worth it, since we don't have space on the internal storage to put the 2nd ROM, so it MUST go on the SDcard.
It was abandoned due to the fact that it was so slow it was unusable. Besides there are many of us that have been working to get CM7 and CM9 working from a port without success.... but you are more than welcome to jump in and lend a hand, we have a post in the dev section about it for aokp and CM9.
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Do a search... we already have done something similar, it is slow, and not worth it, since we don't have space on the internal storage to put the 2nd ROM, so it MUST go on the SDcard.
It was abandoned due to the fact that it was so slow it was unusable. Besides there are many of us that have been working to get CM7 and CM9 working from a port without success.... but you are more than welcome to jump in and lend a hand, we have a post in the dev section about it for aokp and CM9.
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Do you mean as in a multi boot?
The Defy I had, I flashed a defy+ sbf too then plonked cm9 on, no 2nd rom/boot or such.
My understanding was that the purpose of 2nd init was to hijack the init process and allow to boot into boot manager.
I'm also guessing bootmanager would need to be built from source to suit the A2?
I've read a few of your posts mate, worked with Linus? Legend.
You will by far know more than I do these days, but I'll see what I can do to help.
First I'll deodex the ics leak I'm running and make a Cwm backup to upload. Not sure how useful it will be due to the kernel.
The U.S, Europe and Asia hardware is all different?
The one last thing I remember from defy was I had to use at&t baseband since telecom nz uses the same carrier frequency.
And ran the defy+ rom on old red lense ddfy without a single issue at defy+ stock clock freq
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Do you mean as in a multi boot?
The Defy I had, I flashed a defy+ sbf too then plonked cm9 on, no 2nd rom/boot or such.
My understanding was that the purpose of 2nd init was to hijack the init process and allow to boot into boot manager.
I'm also guessing bootmanager would need to be built from source to suit the A2?
I've read a few of your posts mate, worked with Linus? Legend.
You will by far know more than I do these days, but I'll see what I can do to help.
First I'll deodex the ics leak I'm running and make a Cwm backup to upload. Not sure how useful it will be due to the kernel.
The U.S, Europe and Asia hardware is all different?
The one last thing I remember from defy was I had to use at&t baseband since telecom nz uses the same carrier frequency.
And ran the defy+ rom on old red lense ddfy without a single issue at defy+ stock clock freq
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Yeah we used a util called safestrap that another dev and I patched to make it work on this phone that was originally from hashcode.
It allowed us to boot another ROM on say our SDcard, but again it still has to use our kernel due to the bootloader issue...
The only way around the bootloader as of now is by using kexec, and that only works with 1 CPU and can only load a "stock based" unsigned kernel, so the CM stuff is out.
We are working to get CM9 and or AOKP booting from a port on our phone using the stock GB kernel. There is a post on it in the dev section.
Yeah Linus is a Friend, a great guy and I can't say enough good things about him. I have not seen him since the last Linux world / Opensource world now as it is called.
Yeah you should jump in and join the frey, we can always use more help in here.
Well it wasn't hard to work out how to get a 2nd init style boot. (As in, blue light, press vol down, gets bootmenu)
Except bootmenu is garbled screen. I need to test more, and probably mod some of the scripts.
Heres a system nandroid of ICS http://www.4shared.com/archive/bp3qzA9o/Atrix2-ICS-NANDROID__672112asi.html
Dunno how much use it will be since I didn't get the kernel.
Got it.... thanks
I get a motorola atrix 2 but i dont know what OS have because is on Florida yet and i live in dominican republic.. so my question is that if choise the OTA update i can root it and install a Titanium Backup? i know that if i take the option of OTA update i cant ge back to Giger... but i dont want brick the phone or install a room that not is 100% Funtional.. so what i want to do with my A2
Camara/video
webtop
Games
install google now (if possible???)
Smart Action
Root and install Titanium Backup app i"m not a higth lvl user so i just want the basic of a Android phone..
more or less this is the use that i will do with my iphone
(Sorry if my english lvl suck i know!)
and if you have a another choise that i can do tell me i, listen!!!
Okay so are you being given a atrix 2 or buying it? Also yes you can root ics and yes you can use titanium backup.
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ProfessorHipster said:
Okay so are you being given a atrix 2 or buying it? Also yes you can root ics and yes you can use titanium backup.
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i dont know how i say i buy in past lol but ok the fact is that maybe tomorrow o the saturday the phone can be in my hand..
Check this thread out man: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1742879
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Check this thread out man: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1742879
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Ok! I did it!!! So now what is the proffit or benefice of a room over a ota final stock rom? What i get with the room that i dont get with ota update? If a a root user...???
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Ok! I did it!!! So now what is the proffit or benefice of a room over a ota final stock rom? What i get with the room that i dont get with ota update? If a a root user...???
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There's always a benefit of root my friend. First and for most is removing bloarware (AT&T preinstalled apps that take up memory and space in background) So many other reasons why root is best. How I describe it to people is like this. Taking a Governor off a car is similar to rooting an android phone. Technically there is only one ROM made from OTA ICS right now here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960679 but there are others in the development section built of previous ICS "Leaks" we obtained. Such as SCV7, Swifty Trix, CM10, MIUI and a stock based off OTA as well. Hope this helped explain a little. Enjoy the power of the Dark side! :thumbup:
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There's always a benefit of root my friend. First and for most is removing bloarware (AT&T preinstalled apps that take up memory and space in background) So many other reasons why root is best. How I describe it to people is like this. Taking a Governor off a car is similar to rooting an android phone. Technically there is only one ROM made from OTA ICS right now here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960679 but there are others in the development section built of previous ICS "Leaks" we obtained. Such as SCV7, Swifty Trix, CM10, MIUI and a stock based off OTA as well. Hope this helped explain a little. Enjoy the power of the Dark side! :thumbup:
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Umm, cm10 is a true opensource rom and not based on any leak/OTA, it is compiled from scratch. The only files taken from ICS are a few libraries and kernel modules and the like, and those have no bearing on version of ICS they were taken from.
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Umm, cm10 is a true opensource rom and not based on any leak/OTA, it is compiled from scratch. The only files taken from ICS are a few libraries and kernel modules and the like, and those have no bearing on version of ICS they were taken from.
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Yes, your right Jim. CM is device-wide... forgot to mention that. Shouldn't mater what version of ICS your on. As far as other ROMs go for on this device, as far as ICS goes, like I stated, one (two including stock/rooted) is only based off the official OTA ICS build. How did I know you'd come to CM's rescue in here Jim? lol. JP...keep up the good work man. Looking forward to your CM10 build! (Checking forums every half hour lol)
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Yes, your right Jim. CM is device-wide... forgot to mention that. Shouldn't mater what version of ICS your on. As far as other ROMs go for on this device, as far as ICS goes, like I stated, one (two including stock/rooted) is only based off the official OTA ICS build. How did I know you'd come to CM's rescue in here Jim? lol. JP...keep up the good work man. Looking forward to your CM10 build! (Checking forums every half hour lol)
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LOL... I will PM you with a link to my latest build, so you can see how it is. I have several testers now, but for me there are still a few bugs that make me, the perfectionist, not ready to release it to the world just yet.
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LOL... I will PM you with a link to my latest build, so you can see how it is. I have several testers now, but for me there are still a few bugs that make me, the perfectionist, not ready to release it to the world just yet.
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What would I've to do to get that link Jim??
Lol, but seriously wanna try your build...
Thanks
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LOL... I will PM you with a link to my latest build, so you can see how it is. I have several testers now, but for me there are still a few bugs that make me, the perfectionist, not ready to release it to the world just yet.
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Thanks man, you know I'm always willing to test as well. Well, as long as there's no hard brick possibility in the process lol. But with this new fxz back to ICS stock I'm feeling more secure now hahaha. Yes, I would be the perfectionist too if it came to making my own ROM. Probably why I never have attempted yet. Too much work n stress for me to handle. I give you Dev'so credit! Thanks for sharing link man. I'll give it a go n let you know how everything runs. (If I find anything new)
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I am probably not an ideal tester, due to lack of technical knowledge regarding Android, but should you need a tester of the moderate abilities, and knowledge I would be more than willing to be of help if I actually was help. I currently am running the build of CM10 that is currently available, and am impressed with it, but look forward to your build with much anticipation. I can only take off my hat, as it were, to you, and all of the developers in this arena.
Jerry
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LOL... I will PM you with a link to my latest build, so you can see how it is. I have several testers now, but for me there are still a few bugs that make me, the perfectionist, not ready to release it to the world just yet.
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ok i undertant about the good of root is very important to take all the control over you phone, but in case of Custom Room i see every option that is put here i the case of the SwifyTrix for sample have suppor for many languaje? or just english??? and if i install this room but i dont like i can go to official Room?
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There's always a benefit of root my friend. First and for most is removing bloarware (AT&T preinstalled apps that take up memory and space in background) So many other reasons why root is best. How I describe it to people is like this. Taking a Governor off a car is similar to rooting an android phone. Technically there is only one ROM made from OTA ICS right now here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960679 but there are others in the development section built of previous ICS "Leaks" we obtained. Such as SCV7, Swifty Trix, CM10, MIUI and a stock based off OTA as well. Hope this helped explain a little. Enjoy the power of the Dark side! :thumbup:
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can we go back to gb via custom roms..i heard we cant go back to gb from ics ota.. also what is installing to second system
Questions on root
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Check this thread out man: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1742879
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Ok if i use this method to root my atrix 2, can i unroot after that?
And i’ve heard that there are problems that is experienced by other atrix 2 users(superuser versions 3.0.3 and above), how do i fix that?
My atrix 2 is running stock ics from the official OTA , before that it was running 2.3.6 unrooted ,stock.
Thanks in advance for clearing my doubts.
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can we go back to gb via custom roms..i heard we cant go back to gb from ics ota.. also what is installing to second system
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No, and no. No on 2nd system because it still uses the same underlying stock ICS kernel.
If you took the OTA, then you are stuck on ICS. This has been the case with major android releases and not being able to go backward for a very long time.
Let's face it, ML1 has been a divisive update for a phone with a community that was already dying when MF1 came out.
I had been hoping that Beans, the Synergy team, or someone else would take one more crack at our phone, but sadly I don't think it's going to happen anymore.
We should be happy with what we have though. A stock rooted knoxless 4.3 rom to nandroid back and forth from and a healthy AOSP community that should carry us through at least another year or two (or until you get a new phone).
In the end, this phone and its glorious 2GB of RAM deserved better. By all means there's nothing preventing it from running the next few versions of Android so long as Qualcomm keeps providing fresh code and drivers. But I guess Samsung and Verizon had their own plans of obsolescence.
We just got the rooted stock 4.3 in the last day or so, correct?
I'm pretty sure you'll see some magic happen over the next few weeks and we'll get updated versions of your favorite 4.2 TW ROMs. I'd be shocked if we didn't get a few. There are still many developers with this phone who love Touchwiz, so why would they sit on their hands and not make it better?
Patience is a virtue.
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I think in a bit of time they'll roll out. There were a few devs that said they'd update to it, but in no way should they be held to that. We just got a base last night, so I'd wait a bit longer. Besides, xposed can do great things for a stock rom.
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It should be trivial to update/reissue the 4.1.2 roms to 4.3, but a lot of assumptions need to be made going forward.
Until somebody figures out Safestrap or Loki for the people who took the OTA and are now enknoxed, these roms should require MF1 or older. It would be horrible if somebody released a zip with the bootloader included.
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It should be trivial to update/reissue the 4.1.2 roms to 4.3, but a lot of assumptions need to be made going forward.
Until somebody figures out Safestrap or Loki for the people who took the OTA and are now enknoxed, these roms should require MF1 or older. It would be horrible if somebody released a zip with the bootloader included.
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Bootloader was not included in the stock rooted released last night. And I think those that jumped the gun and took the OTA may sadly be out of luck simply due to it being much less time intensive for a Dev to build of the recent stock release. Unless I am misunderstanding you.
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I know the stock rooted doesn't include the bootloader, but that didn't stop me from triple checking before flashing it a few minutes ago.
I'm of the opinion that those who took the OTA are screwed just like people who did the same for the S4.
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I know the stock rooted doesn't include the bootloader, but that didn't stop me from triple checking before flashing it a few minutes ago.
I'm of the opinion that those who took the OTA are screwed just like people who did the same for the S4.
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Agreed. Realistically it didn't take long at all for 4.3 to be cracked open. That will be what devs work off. Anyone on xda that knowingly took the OTA either purposely hung up their flashing habits or are really hedging their bets that someone will take the time to help the OTA folks. I just don't see that when there is this new stock release out there as a base.
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Whip one up for us.
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Chances are, the locked bootloader probably won't get any attention at this point. S3 is an eol device and cracking the bootloader is probably too big of a task for devs to work on now...
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I know the stock rooted doesn't include the bootloader, but that didn't stop me from triple checking before flashing it a few minutes ago.
I'm of the opinion that those who took the OTA are screwed just like people who did the same for the S4.
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It's the truth, its going to take somebody porting safestrap because there is no motivation for hashcode to do it for us (most likely use the vulns in the s4)
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Not really sure of the point of this thread. People were warned in advance of the ota not to take it. Now after a few weeks and some incredible work by a group of guys, we have a flashable 4.3. I guess you need to break it down into further detail to me what your compkaint is. Those who were patient and did not ota are pretty stoked right now. Those that didnt listen, well Happy New Year to all.
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zachf714 said:
It's the truth, its going to take somebody porting safestrap because there is no motivation for hashcode to do it for us (most likely use the vulns in the s4)
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Kinda OT, but does Safestrap support kexec on the S4? I have been trying to port Safestrap to the S3 and *almost* got it working (everything up to and including creating and installing slots) but I can't get it to actually boot a slot. Even if I could get it to do that, w/out kexec I doubt it would get very far.
O.T.A.
I am so glad I didnt take the OTA,I dont know how I would make it without my flaching fix..I love checking out all the new roms.That new 4.3 tw that just came out on the 31 is smoking fast.The only bad thing is it started a new addiction,Xposed Framework!!LOL Im late to the party on that but Im glad I tried it(My Wife isn't):good::good:
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Kinda OT, but does Safestrap support kexec on the S4? I have been trying to port Safestrap to the S3 and *almost* got it working (everything up to and including creating and installing slots) but I can't get it to actually boot a slot. Even if I could get it to do that, w/out kexec I doubt it would get very far.
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From my knowledge it does not use kexec like what we used to use but a kind of hack to the boot.img that loads the system into memory.. The thing tho is that the s4 and n3 use the same vulns
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loving this new rom it is fast....moding the heck out of it...expose is awesome.... :laugh:
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loving this new rom it is fast....moding the heck out of it...expose is awesome.... :laugh:
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Really? I find it laggy tbh. I'm coming from aosp tho
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Really? I find it laggy tbh. I'm coming from aosp tho
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Sane here. I jumped over to see what all of the excitement was about... Back to AOSP one day later. Couldn't stand the lagginess.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Sane here. I jumped over to see what all of the excitement was about... Back to AOSP one day later. Couldn't stand the lagginess.
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I've got my 4.3 TW flying. Set all animations to 0.25 in Dev options, and did the same in Nova. Also modded my debug.composition.dyn to gpu in the build.prop and it's rivaling my cm11 rom I was on. I know it will never be CM smooth, but the signal and camera improvements do it for me.
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please use this thread here for further discussion...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2575661