Adobe announced today that they won't support flash on jelly bean devices, what do you think I know that I would miss slash very much as many web sites out there use flash as their primary way of streaming video, true some a them support Html 5, but most of them don't, what do you think?
Jelly Bean isn't much of a change system wise from ICS (most of the changes were added software) and users have reported success with the ICS version of flash working on JB.
Seeing how slow its been getting ICS on non Nexus devices, its probably going to be 2013 before we see JB shipping on most new devices. Its around 1.5 to 2 years before most people switch to a new device unless you have to have the latest. If market share of new Android versions continues to be lagging its likely JB won't be unsupported by new software until around 2015.
Hopefully by them HTML5 will be more widely used, or else we'll get enough JB users that refuse to upgrade forcing developers to still support it, kind of like Windows XP.
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I am getting a bit confused with all the different versions of android.
ICS should be based on android 4.0.x and xoom is a tablet which uses android 3.0.x.
What happens to all the apps that are tablet only? aka only 3.0.x? Will they still run on 4.0.X?
Shadowwoelf said:
I am getting a bit confused with all the different versions of android.
ICS should be based on android 4.0.x and xoom is a tablet which uses android 3.0.x.
What happens to all the apps that are tablet only? aka only 3.0.x? Will they still run on 4.0.X?
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The Xoom has the hardware capability to run Android 4.0. The apps that work on Honeycomb (and gingerbread, froyo, etc) mostly work on ice cream sandwich, but the developer of the apps need to update their apps to make them compatible.
So google is just making it so the phone/tablet work on the same version? No more updates for 3.0.X?
Shadowwoelf said:
So google is just making it so the phone/tablet work on the same version? No more updates for 3.0.X?
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As far as I know, correct.
This is actually something that mildly concerns me. I have paid for a few tablet only apps. I assume these will be supported with ICS.
But what about apps that were paid for in GB? Say someone bought Splashtop for phones and they are running a phone with GB that gets upgraded to ICS. Will the app they purchased still be able to run on their device? Will it be optimized for ICS? Or will they need to buy the "tablet only" version?
I have a feeling this will be on an app by app (or developer by developer) case, but hopefully there won't be many issues.
Apps will have to be updated to work with ICS
Think about it. These apps, in order to remain relevant, will need to be updated to ICS, sooner rather than later. It's the new OS that all new and many older devices will be running. So don't worry...it will take a bit, but will probably work out better for us in the long run, as all those apps scaled for phones will also be able to scale for the Xoom.
Cubanluke88 said:
This is actually something that mildly concerns me. I have paid for a few tablet only apps. I assume these will be supported with ICS.
But what about apps that were paid for in GB? Say someone bought Splashtop for phones and they are running a phone with GB that gets upgraded to ICS. Will the app they purchased still be able to run on their device? Will it be optimized for ICS? Or will they need to buy the "tablet only" version?
I have a feeling this will be on an app by app (or developer by developer) case, but hopefully there won't be many issues.
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Out of all the apps I have on my Xoom. So far I only have 1 app that won't run on ICS and supposedly the developer is working on an upgrade. And a good portion of those are regular phone apps. Don't sweat it. Most developers are very responsible and provide upgrades to paying customers. And the advantages of ICS are worth it.
Hey guys do you think will we get android 4.1 for tf101 ??
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Given Asus' lackluster response to updating the TF101, I will be putting my money on CM10/AOKP when those guys gets working.
Also, in my experience, all of the problems I've had with my TF101 has gone away when I've replaced Asus' firmware with third party firmware. Chances are if Asus comes out with JB for the TF101, I still wont be running their build.
I think we will see a Jelly Bean update since Asus is actually really good with their updates and this should improve the performance considerably. I see so much despair about the lack of updates with the TF101 but compared to the MyTouch Slide 4g that I own it has an amazing amount of support. Asus has been good to us rooters and tech nerds more than any other company outside of Google itself! So yeah, I would expect an announcement in the next few months and maybe an update around October if we are lucky.
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I think we will see a Jelly Bean update since Asus is actually really good with their updates and this should improve the performance considerably. I see so much despair about the lack of updates with the TF101 but compared to the MyTouch Slide 4g that I own it has an amazing amount of support. Asus has been good to us rooters and tech nerds more than any other company outside of Google itself! So yeah, I would expect an announcement in the next few months and maybe an update around October if we are lucky.
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Agreed. If anything, asus has been almost TOO fast with updates and ends up borking things.
If you're an avid flash user I wouldn't rush to get JB anyway.
Adobe will stop flash support for JB.
baseballfanz said:
If you're an avid flash user I wouldn't rush to get JB anyway.
Adobe will stop flash support for JB.
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From Adobe:
Beginning August 15th we will use the configuration settings in the Google Play Store to limit continued access to Flash Player updates to only those devices that have Flash Player already installed. Devices that do not have Flash Player already installed are increasingly likely to be incompatible with Flash Player and will no longer be able to install it from the Google Play Store after August 15th.
The easiest way to ensure ongoing access to Flash Player on Android 4.0 or earlier devices is to use certified devices and ensure that the Flash Player is either pre-installed by the manufacturer or installed from Google Play Store before August 15th. If a device is upgraded from Android 4.0 to Android 4.1, the current version of Flash Player may exhibit unpredictable behavior, as it is not certified for use with Android 4.1. Future updates to Flash Player will not work. We recommend uninstalling Flash Player on devices which have been upgraded to Android 4.1.
This is my one quarrel with JB, darned Adobe >:c
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This is my one quarrel with JB, darned Adobe >:c
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that and the fact that chrome is the default browser so you need to install another one just to use flash
Will it even work though? Flash on JB
they said it may work but it is not supported its like running a honeycomb app on ics it may work or it may not
an dim pretty sure i read somewhere that it was up to the oem's to support it
"ensure that the Flash Player is either pre-installed by the manufacturer or installed from Google Play Store before August 15th. If a device is upgraded from Android 4.0 to Android 4.1, the current version of Flash Player may exhibit unpredictable behavior, as it is not certified for use with Android 4.1. Future updates to Flash Player will not work. We recommend uninstalling Flash Player on devices which have been upgraded to Android 4.1."
Flash works fine on my Gnex with 4.1
xeloni said:
Hey guys do you think will we get android 4.1 for tf101 ??
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Most likely. The Motorola Xoom is confirmed to receive 4.1 already so why not the transformer? They both have the same specs.
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that and the fact that chrome is the default browser so you need to install another one just to use flash
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Chrome is the default browser on the Nexus7, not jellybean.
so Google Now is super amazing, but more importantly super fast. I just imported it onto my Stock ICS acer icona A500 tab it works, but has some major bugs. It makes searching everything and anything fast and so I wondered why wouldn't Google port this to more devices? not like gingerbread or froyo, no my real question is why isn't this on computers? built into a google chome extension or into chrome intself? I don't think it would be possible for XDA developers to do this (both because this is a mobile focused place and because it sounds extremely difficult) ,but! if they did it, would be priceless. So what what do you guys think?
(wow I screwed up the title it's suppost to be; than ICS and jellybean, not and ICS and jellybean)
I think of the reasons why it cannot be ported to other phones is that Google Now runs optimally in a Jelly Bean-based kernel. That's why even though the devs have ported it to ICS ROMs, it is still having some problems. And if the device is running anything before ICS, then forget about it. The difference in kernels is the main roadblock.
And who needs Google Now in a browser, when google glasses comes out?
Please can anyone tell me if its possible to downgrade my tab2 to gingerbread, at the moment its on jelly bean cm10, I only use this tab as a games machine and almost every game ive put on it won't work.I have a galaxy player 5 wifi and it plays anything I throw at it.If I can't downgrade then I may as well give the tab to my local charity shop.If I buy windows7 then I can run old software in compatiblity mode,why can't I do this with android?.It seems to me that ICS and JB are a complete waste of time,resource hungry and not very stable.Thanks in advance for any help
They likely aren't compatible with your tablet because the game developers haven't put support for it in the game. Downgrading to Gingerbread, even if it were possible, wouldn't fix this. The game would likely run just fine on the tablet, but the market is setup to allow/deny on a device by device basis, and the game developers apparently haven't allowed whatever model you have. I'm also guessing that you probably didn't bother contacting any of the game developers to see if they would support the tablet? That would have been more useful than posting here.
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Thanks for your reply,I did contact a lot of developers and almost all of them said that because the games were old as they put it, there was no point in modifying them to work on newer versions of android,the bottom line is that i have wasted a lot of money paying for games that are not backwards compatible with new version of the android os.I'm very disappointed as this tablet for all intents and purposes is nothing but a door stop.
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Thanks for your reply,I did contact a lot of developers and almost all of them said that because the games were old as they put it, there was no point in modifying them to work on newer versions of android,the bottom line is that i have wasted a lot of money paying for games that are not backwards compatible with new version of the android os.I'm very disappointed as this tablet for all intents and purposes is nothing but a door stop.
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How can something be "backwards compatible" with a newer version? And my tablet works just fine for me and several others. I'm guessing that you could install the games and they would work fine on the tablet, just that the developer(s) don't want to try and test them on the newer versions of Android. In the end, all they're doing is hurting themselves and losing money.
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How can something be "backwards compatible" with a newer version? And my tablet works just fine for me and several others. I'm guessing that you could install the games and they would work fine on the tablet, just that the developer(s) don't want to try and test them on the newer versions of Android. In the end, all they're doing is hurting themselves and losing money.
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What I meant by backwards compatible is that I can run win98 or xp software on a windows 7 machine so why can't I run gingerbread software on jelly bean or ICS.And your right they are losing money my money!!,if I can't get gingerbread or honeycomb on this tab then its history and I shall be looking at an ipad,from what i've seen anything runs on an ipad no matter how old it is,dont get me wrong I'm not slagging off android but this tablet isn't fit for the purpose that I bought it for.I know this probably isnt the right place but my wifes iphone runs 3 year old software on ios6.So if anyone can tell me how to get gingerbread or honeycomb on this tablet I will be forever in their debt because they will stop me from going over to the dark side which I don't really want to do.
Backwards compatible would mean that it is meant for ICS or Jelly Bean but runs on Gingerbread, Froyo, or something older, not the other way around. And whatever games or apps you want to run likely would work fine on the tablet running ICS or Jelly Bean, but the developer is probably to lazy to even try and test it, or allow people to download it. Then again, since you think forward compatibility is the same as backwards compatibility, I wouldn't expect you to know much about how the market is setup to allow/deny apps on devices.
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Backwards compatible would mean that it is meant for ICS or Jelly Bean but runs on Gingerbread, Froyo, or something older, not the other way around. And whatever games or apps you want to run likely would work fine on the tablet running ICS or Jelly Bean, but the developer is probably to lazy to even try and test it, or allow people to download it. Then again, since you think forward compatibility is the same as backwards compatibility, I wouldn't expect you to know much about how the market is setup to allow/deny apps on devices.
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I can see that I'm flogging a dead horse here, my original post said that I tried all these games and apps already and they dont work with jb or ics,which is why I want to downgrade,my tab2 is now wedging the door open and I have gone back to my galaxy player 5.0 on gingerbread,the tab2 is going on ebay and the first bid over a fiver gets it.
Why not try device spoofer as last resort or changing build prop file
But make a nandroid backup first
What are the names of games you try to operate?
No gingerbread in tab2, as the device sell with ics out of the box, may be try tab1
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Device: Xoom LTE MZ602 [STINGRAY]
ROM: OmniROM 4.4.4
Problem: No support/function for video calling and some other apps
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So it seems that Android no longer supports the Tegra2 after 4.1.2 due to not having the NEON instructions set. I am currently running OmniROM 4.4.4 and am unable to get certain apps that I presume require NEON support.
The thing is, even attempting to use older versions of apps, Duo for instance (which originally supported 4.1), does not work. I believe that there are non-NEON hardware libraries that are not compiled into 4.4.4 ROMs available for the Xoom. Not sure what would be required to provide full compatibility.
OmniROM for this Acer device (https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2705989) claims to have support for Tegra2. I have previously tried to place the non-NEON libraries from a 4.1.2 Xoom ROM into the one I'm using to no success (I'm no developer). I'm guessing the ROM either needs to have these baked in or there are other dependencies that are less obvious.
I just want apps like Messenger and Duo to work for video calling. At this point, I may just go to 4.1.2 even though I don't want to.
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You might as well just roll back. Its sad how bad tegra2 support is, but I guess thats what we get for using a motorola xoom in 2018. I for one am not giving up, this tablet is ****ing awesome, I am definitely getting a Xoom 2 Next.
Well I rolled back to 4.1.2 stock ROM w/ root. Still have the same issues with the app functionality. I will say it seems JB runs smoother than KK. Even Chrome Beta still doesn’t work. It doesn’t even open.