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Hello from new mytouch4g user.

Hello to everyone. Just got my touch...took forever from wirefly.com and well its nice to have moved up from previous phone...Mytouch 3g obviously. Just a formal hello to fellow tough4g users. I am wanting to right away root my phone but in a head storm about wireflies policies. There very confusing.
Anyway I will try to make myself useful as I do know some good points in themeing so that a plus.
Holmes901

I've used wire fly. Just don't change plans or phones for six months, and forget trying to get a refund... Lol
Root away
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Thanks for that
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holmes901 said:
Hello to everyone. Just got my touch...took forever from wirefly.com and well its nice to have moved up from previous phone...Mytouch 3g obviously. Just a formal hello to fellow tough4g users. I am wanting to right away root my phone but in a head storm about wireflies policies. There very confusing.
Anyway I will try to make myself useful as I do know some good points in themeing so that a plus.
Holmes901
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If you looking for a rom, I'd check out mexdroid.....oh and if you want to make your mytouch 4g look better grab a dime or penny and rub the edge of it against the battery cover, no it wont scratch it, it'll scratch off the plastic vinyl and you'll see once your done the battery cover is like a polished metal....looks really nice....there's about here on the mytouch 4g forums with pictures.....I just did mine and whished I did it sooner
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holmes901 said:
Hello to everyone. Just got my touch...took forever from wirefly.com and well its nice to have moved up from previous phone...Mytouch 3g obviously. Just a formal hello to fellow tough4g users. I am wanting to right away root my phone but in a head storm about wireflies policies. There very confusing.
Anyway I will try to make myself useful as I do know some good points in themeing so that a plus.
Holmes901
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if you decide to root your phone , you should considered install virtuous Unity 2.37 (www.virtuousroms.com) what the mytouch series comes with is a sort of sense-hybrid, virtuous unity gives you that real sense feeling , with a large variety of customizations (themes etc.) that you can add plus an incredible Ui , very simple to use , just plainly one of the greatest roms out there
Sent from my HTC Glacier

Wow. Thanks all for the welcomes and advice. Since I have a little more assurance about rooting while under wireflys little 181 day policy I am def going to. I am very very familiar as I had prior a mytouch3g and loved that phone to death. But it was time to get with the big dogs. I was...like when I first rooted going to go cm just to know I was good (my way of assuring I know what I am doing as its an easy rom to root to.) But I am just going to go head strong. So thanks all for the help and ideas.
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OK I have searched but a little stumped so MY questions go here.
1. Where would I find the guide to downgrading my rom as I am on the stock 2.3.4
2. With being stock how would I check the eMMC Chip? I would like to know before I even attempt to root.
3. Well wild opinion. Visionary or Gfree?

holmes901 said:
OK I have searched but a little stumped so MY questions go here.
1. Where would I find the guide to downgrading my rom as I am on the stock 2.3.4
2. With being stock how would I check the eMMC Chip? I would like to know before I even attempt to root.
3. Well wild opinion. Visionary or Gfree?
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First check your emmc version, guide here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081243
downgrade guide here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178912
Rooting guide here, with optional CID unlock and Eng_Bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
follow additional directions for CID unlock if you want, I used this version of root, gfree and had a wonderful experience.
Good luck

VoiD_Dweller said:
First check your emmc version, guide here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081243
downgrade guide here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178912
Rooting guide here, with optional CID unlock and Eng_Bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
follow additional directions for CID unlock if you want, I used this version of root, gfree and had a wonderful experience.
Good luck
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Good to go an everything I am rooted and have just the CM 7 rom running the stable no nightlies or anything. I noticed I guess I have the bad eMMC chip but I am still covered under wireflys 30 day. So really I flash but very seldom very very seldom But on the eMMC forums I guess a little fear has been put into my head. Oh well. the world keeps spinning.

Bad emmc and screen here (there is a good screen and crappy one) and a flash addict. Usually don't keep a rom for more than a week. Had this phone an hour before I said screw it and rooted. I got a g1 as a backup if necc... Lol anyways, I tried cm7, battery life was amazing, super fast, but felt like it didn't fit the phone right. So I tried unity. Orgasm. Haven't flashed anything since. hacked the genius button back and got swype beta going. Perfect. Starting to get that itch though...
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Give MIUI with Demonspeed kernel a shot too. Pretty much fully baked. Wouldn't require too much tinkering to get things going. Pretty much everything works right out of the box.
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HTC undervaluing customers. React?

I am an unfortunate owner of an HTC sensation. This phone has many frustrating issues but there is one that i find unacceptable. According to HTC all Sensations when playing specific videos and having the brightness set to maximum will have it significantly changed. To my observation that is almost 50%. Users report similar behaviour in the galery and youtube applications.
In my country a device is considered faulty when (1) its not suitable to be used as intended, (2) not suitable to be used as similar products in the market or (3) it does not have the performance the customer expects.
(1) My phone is intended to be used as a multimedia phone hence the big screen and resolution. When the exterior light is more than enough it is made very dificult to me to watch videos because the device arbitrarily lowers the brightness. (2) No other products have similar behaviour in the market to my knowledge and of course (3) i do not expect my phone to reduce the brightness when i set it to be stable to a specific brightness.
HTC says theres nothing they can do. They also told be this issue is caused because of the light sensor. I dont understand why the ligh sensor has anything to do with it since it is only supposed to work when the brighness is set to automatic.
My question is, Really HTC? You think you can sell me an expensive device and have that poor a performance? And your answer is since every device has this issue it is not a problem? I dont know if theres anything we can do so i would like your opinions too.

solution -> quickpic as gallery and mx video player as default video player
is that really hard?

shiningarmor said:
solution -> quickpic as gallery and mx video player as default video player
is that really hard?
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I was expecting that answer. It doesnt work. And im not willing to root my phone either.

I know your not willing to root your device but I must give you my HONEST opinion. Rooting has made my device 150% better! The choices of Roms are spectacular, they have a rom to fit most everyone's taste. The Roms give the NEWEST softwares , example I'm ruining sence 4 with Android 4.0.3, the mods are Amazing, changing so many little things to make your device look unique! I have to say the ROMS run much better than the stock os. No random rebooting, smooth, fast ! You can change your kernels too for a over all better experience! Rooting has brought my device to life! So do I have any complaints, nope, I'm loveing my S off rooted device with custom Rom! If I don't like something, I just change it. That's the beauty of a rooted device. Your not stuck with something you don't like. I'm sorry your experience is poor with the sensation. I must say I have just the opposite. My experience is a rich wonderful experience and we have the same device, except I'm rooted. So if you want to change your experience then root, if not, well, it's up to you....good luck in what ever you choose.
But I think if you rooted you would have a better experience all together. But if that's not a option maybe find a different device to better suit your needs. That's the only other alternative I can think of. Everyone is different and we all have different opinions. I wish you the best of luck in what ever you decide. This is just my opinion and my experience. We are all different. Perhaps the sensation just isn't for you!
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I doubt there is anything we can do, as the last person suggested....root the phone and change what you want.....I root all of mine and am extremely happy because I make it my phone not just your average Sensation....if not just see if you can get a different phone if you just bought this one and its faulty do what they call a warranty exchange that's how I ended up with a sensation
Sent from my Sensation 4G using XDA

I just wanted to mention, if you get any ICS based ROM's, you can disable auto brightness and set to full brightness manually (you only ever need this is outside in direct sunlight). My device is always on the lowest brightness or half.
Example of quick and easy changing from notification pull down.
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The dissapointing thing about the sensation is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
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Once you go root you never go back
The first time you ever root your device and experience for yourself all the things you can do you can see that you have a completly different device.
Also with any device no matter what company, it is always limited. so whichever phone you have you will end up rooting
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Brightness
It's weird there are only very few who mentioned brightness problem when playing youtube or gallery. I had the same issue after upgrading to Android Revolution HD custom ROM (ICS). With Android 2.3.4 stock I did not experienced this. I also do not like REPETITIVE sound notification for the SAME EMAIL each time it does sync.. After another shot - installing Android Revolution HD - it seems the brightness problem is gone.

HTC is going to release single core phones:
HTC Desire VT
HTC Desire VC
HTC Desire V
HTC Desire C
and it comes with ICS and Sense 4. Now this is truly HTC undervaluing earlier devices. Time to hit them harder...

webstar1 said:
The dissapointing thing about the sensation is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
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The dissapointing thing about ANY smartphone is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
Anyway, I love to root my devices and install on them what I really want, and not just using what manufacturers think it's better for me.

To be honest any and every smartphone has to be tweaked by consumer to get the experience best suited by the customer.
iPhone has to have a jailbreak to get satisfaction for alot of people, and I don't know about windows phone and what they do with that os.
In my opinion if you choose not to fix your own problem then how can you blame the company who made the phone?
when you have options in front of you and dont like your options why not buy a different phone because o know many of us with a rooted sensation have a great experience my phone is fast I have noo problems watching video I use the app mobo player and it works great everywhere.
Sent from my rooted HTC Sensation 4G / ONE S ORDROID 9.0 using XDA

I completely agree with above statement! It's really up to you! You have the opportunity to make a change and customize to your liking however you choose not to do this. The Sensation has a wonderful ability to be totally customized to the consumers liking all the way from firmware to operating system, down to kernels and mods! You can ťweak the device however you like! In my opinion, that's a great device. If you have the know how or can read a guide the possiabilitys are endless! So actually your not looking at the ability of the device. Your looking at the surface. Dig deeper and you will develop a new respect for this device, or at least you should because it's capability is great ! Also once it's customized to your liking you will find there's nothing out there like it, It's truly yours. I'm completely happy with my customized device. If you don't take the time to customize and your unhappy, whos fault is that? It's your own. The tools are available to you to change your experience. It's really all up to YOU!
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nangu said:
The dissapointing thing about ANY smartphone is that you HAVE to root to get an experience you would expect in stock.
Anyway, I love to root my devices and install on them what I really want, and not just using what manufacturers think it's better for me.
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Except for th iPhone. It works just like they say it works...
I don't blame HTC, I blame tmobile for making me sign a two year and not offering the iPhone.
Just wait for the iPhone 5 to release...See ya Htc and tmobile!

realsis said:
I completely agree with above statement! It's really up to you! You have the opportunity to make a change and customize to your liking however you choose not to do this. The Sensation has a wonderful ability to be totally customized to the consumers liking all the way from firmware to operating system, down to kernels and mods! You can ťweak the device however you like! In my opinion, that's a great device. If you have the know how or can read a guide the possiabilitys are endless! So actually your not looking at the ability of the device. Your looking at the surface. Dig deeper and you will develop a new respect for this device, or at least you should because it's capability is great ! Also once it's customized to your liking you will find there's nothing out there like it, It's truly yours. I'm completely happy with my customized device. If you don't take the time to customize and your unhappy, whos fault is that? It's your own. The tools are available to you to change your experience. It's really all up to YOU!
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I dont disagree with what you said. But rooting is unofficial and voids warranty. Plus most people dont have the knowledge on how to root or want to take the risk to root. What about those people who are stuck with ICS? You cant really blame them.

Its a constant war out there to make our phones better every day. With Custom ROM's bringing the best of all worlds onto our phones. It'll probably take HTC/Samsung/etc ages to do things what the devs are doing. Thanks to them.
We pay for the hardware and its up to u to put whatever software - kernel/rom/mods u want on that hardware. This is the main reason u go for Android
Read through the posts properly, and then the probability of failed/bricked devices is less and u can be really happy with ur device's performance/usablilty/looks etc
If u have any doubts people in this forum are ready to help(once u have searched in the forum and have not found anything or u are confused about something)

Geos1 said:
I dont disagree with what you said. But rooting is unofficial and voids warranty. Plus most people dont have the knowledge on how to root or want to take the risk to root. What about those people who are stuck with ICS? You cant really blame them.
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You can unroot your phone there is still a chance that they will see that have unlocked boot before but they might not
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mrg02d said:
Except for th iPhone. It works just like they say it works...
I don't blame HTC, I blame tmobile for making me sign a two year and not offering the iPhone.
Just wait for the iPhone 5 to release...See ya Htc and tmobile!
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If iPhone is so incredible to fullfill anyone expectations out of the box, then why people jailbreak it?
Sensation was a great phone out of the box to me, but if I can make it better by rooting, why not?
I think you not only miss your device selection, you missed your operator too

Geos1 said:
I dont disagree with what you said. But rooting is unofficial and voids warranty. Plus most people dont have the knowledge on how to root or want to take the risk to root. What about those people who are stuck with ICS? You cant really blame them.
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Yes rooting is unofficial however in my opnion the custom roms, although unofficial are FAR MORE STABLE than the official stock roms! They are built with the user experience in mind much more so than the stock Rom.as for rooting, yes I believe it must be something that's interesting to the person and they have to desire to do it. If the desire is not there than it probably should not be attempted.
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To be honest cm9 is coming so ill go to that
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

[Q] More Education

Hi,
Yes, I'm a noob but I'm a smart noob. I refuse to just "jump" in without having enough knowledge about what is necessary to properly modify my phone (AT&T HOX). I have looked up terms I was unfamiliar with etc and sat and waited patiently reading other people's issues. I like many come from Apple (thankfully I switched away) and jailbreaking was about as easy as it got. So here goes.....
1. I am really most interested (at the time being) in getting rid of the ridiculous apps these phones come plugged up with.
2. I already think the phone is fast (light years faster than any iPhone I owned), so what are some of your (members) opinions on WHY you want to flash a custom rom?
3. Do you have to put a new rom in or once it's rooted can I simply have it "stock" and have the freedom to delete apps that I don't want on the phone?
If I've offended anyone here I apologize. Searching for answers on the Internet sometimes is a joke. I did find this tool in the developer's section and I know I'd start here (already downloaded and looked it over) [TOOL] HTC One X (Evita) All-In-One Toolkit V1.1 [10-28-12] [PERM ROOT][Noob-Proof]
but I feel there is a bit more that I'm missing.
I don't want my hand held but rather to allay any fears of turning my phone into a relic, rather than a useful device. I'm about to graduate with a computer support degree, so some of this real heavy duty stuff isn't exactly taught to us students.
I'd appreciate any advice and help from you all and thanks for having a source filled with so many helpful individuals and information
Thanks in advance,
Jon

This is where you should start (my index thread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
1) Rooting will enable you to uninstall bloatware.
2) Reasons for flashing custom ROMs are many. Yes, the phone is very fast. But believe it or not, there are some that want to squeeze even more performance out of the device. Custom ROMs will often include tweaks to improve speed, but also memory management (multi-tasking). Some people like the vanilla (no Sense) look of AOSP ROMs. And also AOSP based ROMs feel more fluid in the launcher, as well as some apps run faster. Custom ROMs have some cool features that don't exist on stock: Extended Quick Settings, Advanced Power Menu, Paranoid Android settings, theming support and much more.
3) You can just unlock the bootloader and root without flashing a custom ROM. If you aren't too familiar with flashing custom ROMs, this may in fact be a good place to start. Become familiar with what root gives you, before flashing ROMs.
The all-in-one tool you mentioned is correct if your phone is on the 2.20 firmware. If it happens to be an earlier firmware, use the corresponding root method as indicated in my index.

2. It's like buying a new Dell or HP Laptop. It comes with tons of random crap pre-installed that you don't need. Sure, the computer might already be "fast", but you can always make it faster by uninstalling said apps. However, there are usually tons of them, and they're deeply embedded into the OS. Even if you go into add or remove programs and uninstall all of the apps that they have given you, there's usually still random crap installed... You might want to start fresh - I always do. So, when I buy a laptop the first thing I do is install windows manually and download the newest and updated drivers. Now the machine is fast. :good:
This is the same principle for your phone. This is why people want to install a custom ROM (like CleanROM) that doesn't include any of the carrier crap and is just a fresh, base install.
3. You could, if you really, really wanted keep the AT&T stock ROM on there... but there is no reason to. If you installed something like CleanROM it is already optimized, and you can select what stock carrier apps you want included during the installation. The defaults will leave you almost perfect though... This could be thought of as doing a fresh windows install to remove all that crap they embedded deep into the OS. There are no flashy lights, it is just a base ROM that's optimized for speed, performance, and stability.
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.

On stock vs. ROM:
I am stock/rooted on my Nexus 7 because it's already vanilla Android, and I haven't seen any need to soup it up.
Stock Sense, on the other hand, has a lot of annoying elements that HTC built into it for various reasons: patent disputes, branding, stability, etc. Most or all of this can and should be removed. One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it. Removing this limitation is easy. Another is the gimped multitasking that HTC set up to prioritize Sense over everything else. And since Sense is still bloated, this greatly limits multitasking. For the most part, CleanROM is Sense with all this unnecessary crap removed.
I was where you are back in May when I got this thing, and I'm happy as a clam on CleanROM.

ECEXCURSION said:
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
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I've actually bounced around from CleanROM, ViperXL and other custom ROMs, as well as stock rooted ROMs. I've spent a good amount of time on Asian and Euro stock ROMs, with bloat frozen (in Titanium, not even removed), and the difference in performance (speed) between these and custom ROMs is negligible, if any. Maybe memory management is better on the custom ROMs, but its never been as much of a peeve to me, as others here.
While its true that the AT&T stock ROM has lots of bloat, and some things stupidly removed (FM radio, flashlight, WiFi tethering), but its really not bad. And the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it.
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Just AT&T stock has the HTCLinkify crap. Links work fine on stock ROMs for any other carrier, AFAIK.

It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
So in the tool for 2.20 firmware, twrp is in the data file already from the download? I had to go their site and read about what it was. I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot.
You've all been nice to me, even though I'm a flaming noob to unlocking/rooting. I figure to prevent myself from being stupid later, I should be smart now. Hahaha.
I greatly appreciate all the insight and advice so far.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

redpoint73 said:
IAnd the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.

iElvis said:
Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.

redpoint73 said:
CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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He's stated that he's waiting for JB. But yeah, he's developing for about six devices now. We take what we can get.

ToxicWaste said:
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.

redpoint73 said:
Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice

ToxicWaste said:
OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038

inksoldier said:
I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
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I actually agree with what you said about my OP. I jailbroke my iPhones with ease but coming here to Android was a complete night and day difference. It's clearly not the same at all. This is more difficult by far. But after looking at tons of threads, asking questions and assuring myself I can do it, I unlocked and rooted a few days ago. Went pretty much without a hiccup. For now I'm staying stock rooted and exploring the phone. I'm already itching for a Rom but that can wait.
I do feel bad for some people that post here without searching for threads pertaining to rooting but I think it's in how you ask and come off here.
Did you use the all in one toolkit? Did you use it to flash your Rom as well?
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
Sent from my HTC One XL using xda app-developers app

area51avenger said:
I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
Sent from my HTC One XL using xda app-developers app
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Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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ToxicWaste said:
Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.

iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Not on the app. But I'm running viperxl. I got this phone over the s3 because I like sense.
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iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Ya I didn't see it listed on his xda app. Haha
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area51avenger said:
Not on the app.
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Derp. I need to read sig lines too.

If I install a custom ROM would I lose beatsaudio?

HTC vs Samsung?

Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?

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Once you are rooted and have an unlocked bootloader flashing roms is pretty simple on the one x. Im a noob and haven't had issues flashing different roms.

You wouldn't have to use Odin every other time. Samsung is pretty simple.
After having an HTC, I wouldn't say it was really all that much trouble. The only thing is s-off or not making the difference. IIRC, it made kernel flashing a pain not having s-off at the beginning.
Neither of them is a bad choice IMHO if you are a flashaholic.
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If it was 2 years ago I woukd say HTC all the way but right now samsung
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Well with the one x + since HTC only let's you unlock the bl and that program doesn't allow you to install custom kernels.... So on the one x+ you'd have to fast boot flash the boot IMG every time you flash a Rom ... Until s-off that's how it wil be on most new HTC devices

There are a few extra steps to unlock the bootloader on HTC devices. Plus if you are on AT&T, you currently have to temp root and get SuperCID in order to unlock the bootloader.
And as also mentioned on the 1.14 hboot (which comes with the newest 2.20 AT&T firmware) you have to flash boot.img separately using fastboot.
But its my personal belief that anyone that wants to flash custom ROMs on phones should have some level of knowledge and skill in order to do so, or they shouldn't be messing with such things to begin with. None of these things are that hard if you do a bit of research beforehand, and follow instructions properly. Some people seem to make things out as harder than they really are.
Bottom line: if you really want a custom ROM on either brand phone, its really not difficult, and you shouldn't let a couple extra steps here and there deter you.

TheNetwork said:
Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?
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I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.

I'll agree with the comments above. You need to know/learn certain things to root and rom the One X, but those are things you really need to know anyway.
Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary. There are few things that annoy me more than "How do I go back to stock?" threads. If you don't know that when you start you shouldn't be rooting.

iElvis said:
Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary.
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Very much agree. The OP isn't asking for any one-click solutions in particular. But far too many times, I've seen people on here begging for one-click solutions, instructional videos, etc. when the means already exist and are not at all difficult. Seeking such things usually indicates a lack of desire to research and do any actual learning. One clicks are convenient. But if you absolutely need them, you probably shouldn't be rooting or flashing to begin with.

Athrun88 said:
I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.
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I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?

TheNetwork said:
I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?
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I don't remember having so much issue with my fire. S-off depends on quite a bit. Some phones have only taken a few weeks, but the rezound took months along with vivid and raider. Hboot updates can affect this as well if htc discovers holes first. It's a toss up.
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Sooo Note II?

TheNetwork said:
Sooo Note II?
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Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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gunz.jones said:
Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.

TheNetwork said:
How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Most att stores have phones set up to play with as well as bestbuy.
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TheNetwork said:
How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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WookieFan said:
Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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And the reps all have AT&T phones as well, odds are they have different ones you can look at
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Went to the att store. No matter how many times I see the note ii it feels big as f**k. They both seem pretty nice to me. Tried an siii just cuz and it was noticeably choppier with half the cpu. The note ii might have been a very tiny bit laggier but that's just tw.
Both good...
Might go with the one x+ just because of 64gb and better build quality slightly.
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HTC makes better hardware with useful features. Samsung builds device with features that make you say WOW, but many aren't that useful.

[Q] Best Stock Android ROM?

Hey guys, apologies if I'm not posting in the best possible section for this, but I've been wondering for a while.
I've been getting sick of TouchWiz. Not just the launcher (I got Nova the moment I could, and am still using it) but the customizations of the phone itself and the small annoyances that Verizon baked in, such as the always-on WiFi indicator. I've been debating going to a stock ROM for a long while, and I've made my decision to break free of the ridiculousness that is Verizon and Samsung's customizations, as they've made the phone slow, and I know it can run much better than it is right now. So here's my question:
What's the best stock Android ROM currently? I'd preferably want one that is
Being currently developed. I don't want a ROM with a lazy developer. (If ROMs are a few weeks late, I won't mind, but I don't want to be waiting forever to get the next .1 added to my version number.
Quick and minimal. Literally as close to stock Android as it can be. If there are things that need to be kept, such as the camera app, that's fine, but I'd like to rid myself of as much TouchWiz as I can.
Free of bugs. I know most ROMs aren't perfect. I'm fine with that. I need something to work as a stable daily driver, and I don't much care to hop on the next nightly I can find.
On the latest version of Android without bugs.
I have experience with rooting and flashing with Odin, but I haven't done it in a while, so if the method to root+flash is more than a one click or a couple of console commands, I'd like to be guided if possible. I have no want to brick my phone, as you can well imagine.
Also, if there's a list of stock ROMs for the Verizon GS3, I'd like to be pointed in that direction, if possible.
Thanks! I hope to hear from someone soon!

Not being rude but, if you were to take the amount of time you put into making this thread and actually looked throughout the forums you'd find a thread already on this or get this, you could go to the development threads and read the ops. Mind blowing right?
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Yeah, I know that. I could surf through bunches of ROMs, but I posted here as a question for community feedback on a bunch of them, that might help me make a decision.
Is asking for opinions and information less efficient than going through a list that's new territory for me?
I'm not stupid. I want advice and info from experienced users. Is that so hard to ask for?

Great thread idea. Surprised no one else has done this.
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You described most of the roms that this phone has. Most give you an option to keep phone stock, Based on each thread, they're all amazing to use daily. As far as being on the latest version you simply have to look at the thread title.
You'll definitely need to go through several threads and try them out to see what suits your needs best. It's not an easy task when there are several awesome developers on your phone!

farenteria said:
You described most of the roms that this phone has. Most give you an option to keep phone stock, Based on each thread, they're all amazing to use daily. As far as being on the latest version you simply have to look at the thread title.
You'll definitely need to go through several threads and try them out to see what suits your needs best. It's not an easy task when there are several awesome developers on your phone!
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Thanks! Didn't know I was delving into such a huge bunch of ROMs. Back in the X and Droid 2 days, I had to surf through a bunch of different ROMs that really weren't reliable. I know things have changed, but this seems pretty extreme.
If you know of any, which ones have you heard are the, well, "god-tier" ROMs? Any developers who are notable that I should check first?
Thanks again!

I wouldn't judge god tier roms, I'm happy to say that all of these roms on this device forum are just as reliable, it's only a matter of how your phone plays with the rom you end up choosing, since all devices play differently. Even if these threads are meant to be locked since they bring nothing but just opinions.
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I will say that there isn't a rom that is the best. It is all about your preference. I have had bad experiences with Synergy,Axis and CleanRom doesn't mean that these are sh***y roms.

Addiso said:
I wouldn't judge god tier roms, I'm happy to say that all of these roms on this device forum are just as reliable, it's only a matter of how your phone plays with the rom you end up choosing, since all devices play differently. Even if these threads are meant to be locked since they bring nothing but just opinions.
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Well, I was just looking for information on the best Roms for the GS3, but since all of the Roms are apparently great, could you list a couple? Even if they aren't "god-tier", are there at least some that fit the qualifications and are well known? I know there's not going to be a "These are the best ROMs ever" list, but are there a few that are highly maintained, or some developers that are well known besides CyanogenMod?
Sorry if I seem new to this whole thing.

Barebones stock is pretty much all I've been for almost a month, and at this point I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a flashaholic, but i only flash his updates (andybones) and the great news is that he keeps the rom consistent in updates and solid Smoot performance.
Also hypredrive just got updated to rls 15 and that's another amazing rom that gets a monthly update and its worth the wait and a very determined developer.
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buckoman said:
Thanks! Didn't know I was delving into such a huge bunch of ROMs. Back in the X and Droid 2 days, I had to surf through a bunch of different ROMs that really weren't reliable. I know things have changed, but this seems pretty extreme.
If you know of any, which ones have you heard are the, well, "god-tier" ROMs? Any developers who are notable that I should check first?
Thanks again!
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You should give every rom a go, but you can start testing with Synergy. Try it for a week, and then test another rom

Sorry, "Best" is a term that is subjective and can only be defined by the individual, the post above/before me is a good idea.
XDA is not a support site, users are expected to use and test on their own.
Best Rom Threads = Closed Threads