http://news.yahoo.com/google-tries-block-u-shipments-apple-iphone-ipad-210657176.html
i know this off topic but thought i would share. kinda feel like apple is getting there karma with the htc, samsung suing
While karmicly (is that a word?) speaking, it's great to see Apple getting some of their own medicine, so to speak, in the end this kind of crap only hurts the consumers and the developer community. This sort of thing results in (besides higher prices due to astronomical legal fees) a culture of paranoia that gives us ultra-locked bootloaders and phone-side spyware.
Oh wait, Moto already does all of that. Carry on.
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WHAAAAT HTC trying to take down the iPhone!?
HTC has achieved somewhat of a moral victory when their May 2010 patent counter claim at the International Trade Commission against Apple was not laughed out of court.
The International Trade Commission said it would take up the investigation, which has to do with "certain portable devices and related software."
HTC claims Apple infringes 5 of their patents, and is asking the commission to ban the imports of key Apple mobile products into USA. Typically the ITC moves much faster than federal courts, and we could see the whole issue come to a head in only a few months.
HTC is responding to an earlier patent challenge involving 20 patents which Apple took to the ITC and the U.S. District Court in Delaware.
While the patents appeared mostly directed at HTC’s Android work, HTC has recently entered into a licensing agreement with Microsoft which ironically may provide some protection for their Android products.
So really what HTC is saying is: "WE ARE NOT! going to let you walk all over us" because suing... is a game of 2.
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Oh thank God someone has the balls. It's probably too much to hope that Apple's new iPhone gets delayed, or even better...recalled...lolol.
Could you imagine the look on the poor schmucks face at the moment he goes to get his shiny new POS iPhone rung up and the clerk goes, "Whoops, sorry buddy, but I can't sell you this!". Will there be a black market for iPhones?
Again, if only if only...it's just too much to hope.
~Jasecloud4
lol I don't want to rain on anybody's parade through Cupertino, but this is actually fairly standard practice in patent law (and other types as well)...this countersuit is HTC's way of saying "No, we're not going to settle, and we're fully prepared to go 9 rounds with you over this". Companies often do this as a way to strengthen their legal position when defending against the original claims. i.e. "not only are we not infringing on your patents, you are infringing on ours!"
So, yes it's a good sign that HTC has chosen this route vs copping to a quick settlement or licensing terms...but it's not exactly groundbreaking either.
I know, but sometimes lawsuits can have unexpected results. Maybe I just hate Apple a little too much, but massive recalls, psychotic hysteria on the part of Apple users at the loss of their iPhones, and an overall general anger at Steve Jobs is a small part of dream I have lolol...
I think this was posted a while back on Engadget. Anyhow, this is a good thing. It shows how far HTC has come.
It's unlikely that Apple will lose the case, but I'm certain that HTC can get them to drop the bull****.
Patents in the US are so horribly executed.
jasecloud4 said:
I know, but sometimes lawsuits can have unexpected results. Maybe I just hate Apple a little too much, but massive recalls, psychotic hysteria on the part of Apple users at the loss of their iPhones, and an overall general anger at Steve Jobs is a small part of dream I have lolol...
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LOL yes I admit that's a damn funny vision
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Patents in the US are so horribly executed.
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Amen! There's companies that make more off of their patent portfolios than from any actual prodcut or service they sell, and it's worse in the IP sector than anywhere.
Dude the only reason I hate apple is because they think they OWN YOU I mean think about it steve jobs iPhone is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than HTC.
HTC says you need a phone that gets you and apple says YOU NEED THIS phone just because we are apple.
I hate that! its like monopoly all over again! ITS ABOUT DAM TIME SOME ONE STEP UP TO THEM!
even if HTC won, apple wouldn't be made to recall the product. They can't, once its sold it's sold (unless its an app from the app store, or a book on the amazon reader thingy where they can just delete it, of course, hehe, and even then, most lawyers agree that would be technically unlawful))
You, the buyer cannot be penalised for the sellers law breaking/mistakes. There won't and never will be a forced recall in these cases.
no they wont recall the phones yet they will spend millions rectifying software on the iPhone in order to step outside of infringements which is good enough for me as Apple are self obsessed wan**rs in my personal experience buying Apple products quickly reflects upon your own personality too,
HTC in my opinion are just flexing their Muscles that they have acquired by taking some microsoft steroids but in all fairness it is about time Apple get slapped in the face - maybe this will make them realise they cant do what they want
i love legal battles between companies especially smaller vs bigger, and in this case the smaller will probably win =]
I'm so happy this took a strange turn. HTC should have a voice... they have been producing touch screen phones far longing than apple. i think HTC knows they screwed up leaving Microsoft in charge from developing state of the art touch technology. i don't think its right for one company to with hold such a standard feature. Its like Intel saying they patented the computer's cpu and chipset, and motherboard, so anyone else following this directly be sued. also suing for monetary is lame, but suing to peace is acceptable in my book. everyone wins (besides neither will ever win the war, but rather pay to win one expensive battle, which are crippling fees to lawyers and officials who decide their fate. Since they both bring in lots of cash flow, this system wont allow this monopoly to happen) In the end they'll just compete with technology, which as a consumer we get the best technologies for the lowest price point (currently apple wants to put that hurting on consumers wallets.
Apple is afraid. it has been confirmed that T Mobile USA will launch apple product next month in July. Apple has expanded its market in despite of android replacing the popular growth of Blackberry users. Now apple wants a piece of that market, and they have agreed to jump into other markets to obtain that. apparently At&t can only pay for a timed launch for a product and can not force another company to deal directly with them, unless of course they purchase that company out...
This has been on the HTC website for some time now. I'm surprised nobody made a thread about this sooner....
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...s-4g-dr/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
---"if this thing holds, and it's determined that the aforesaid products may well indeed be infringing on Apple's rights, Sammy could be forced to yank those products from US shelves within a couple of months."---
Wanted to give a heads up for those thinking about getting the infuse that you might have to get it soon. Damn I hate patent wars like this. I hope apple loses... hard
if apple wants to sue samsung over the look and function of the tw launcher app drawer as it is similar to the ios home screen they may as well sue lg for stealing samsungs look as well. apple has been stealing form and function from other companies from day one, the only reason it is an issue for apple is that samsung makes popular devices.
Apple's ripping off Android's swipe down notifications too. Then they have the nerve to say that Samsung is ripping them off. Funny how hypocrisy works...
Man, I was just about to post this. Its completely ridiculous. I hope apple loses hard as well.
has anyone seen apple's keynote for ios5? nearly 8 of their 10 "new" features are ripped from android. features that google has had for a few years now..
samsung is a much bigger company than apple. apple only has there marketing and public image. this wont hurt samsung one bit. on the other hand if google gets involved and if samsung wins the 20 some odd pattent infringments in cell technology that they are suing apple over then apple could be crushed pretty hard.
this is apples business strategy. steal all the great i deas they can and portray an image that the opposite is happening. they have been doing this as long as they have been in business. everything from there aesthetics to the technology in there products to there os's take advantage of the better ideas out there that already existed while they put a stupid half eaten apple on it and tell the world they are inovators.
Apple blocks sale of Samsung's Android fondleslab across EU
Stifle competition appears to be the corporate strategy of the day
With its German suit based on the Community Design, Apple seeks fines of up to 250,000 euros (roughly $350,000) for each violation or, if the alleged infringement continues, imprisonment of Samsung management for up to two years.
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Jobs has gone off the deep end... this is ludicrous.
IMPRISONMENT?
these are guys with families just trying to make, albeit rather opulent, a living... and Apple wants them thrown into jail?
terrifying. I seriously hope Apple's strategy backfires.. this kind of stuff scares the living daylights out of me.
Apple is evil. But noone cares besides people like us who see what goes on behind the scenes. The average consumer just wants the "best" product. I put best in quotes because the general public thinks anything with that Apple logo is automatically the best thing out there.
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Apple is evil. But noone cares besides people like us who see what goes on behind the scenes. The average consumer just wants the "best" product. I put best in quotes because the general public thinks anything with that Apple logo is automatically the best thing out there.
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1/3 of iPhone users mistakenly think they have 4g. That's including 3GS users. If you did a poll with just iPhone 4 users, I bet half of them would claim to have 4g.
Apples needs an injunction because half of Apple's userbase probably couldn't figure out that a tablet that says "SAMSUNG" on the front is not from Apple.
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1/3 of iPhone users mistakenly think they have 4g. That's including 3GS users. If you did a poll with just iPhone 4 users, I bet half of them would claim to have 4g.
Apples needs an injunction because half of Apple's userbase probably couldn't figure out that a tablet that says "SAMSUNG" on the front is not from Apple.
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most consumers are basically whores who will buy anything they see on tv if a celebrity endorses it, or it has flashy graphics. i dunno, i spent to much time in advertising to figure out the tricks and gimmicks of tech companies.
why do you think ESPN uses whiz-bang graphics? of course, short attention spans like flashy colors.
I was reading a couple of news stories that state apple is trying to patent Hydrogen fuel cells for mobile devices. I was thinking "Congratulations Apple that is the type of innovation we need." However then I learned that Apple not only does not have a working prototype or a solid methodolgy, But they are patenting the fuel cells because they are following another research groups work that will make Hydrogen fuel cells more feasable. Unless Apple gets its act together and finances its own reasearch into this field and comes up with a working methodolgy and solution I believe this patent application should be thrown out, and the ACTUAL reaserchers granted all patent protection.
Article on apples patent application http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Pate...l+CellPowered+Mobile+Devices/article23589.htm
Article talking about the researches apple is preying upon: http://www.dailytech.com/Researcher...en+Fuel+Cells+More+Practical/article23164.htm
Well that's just great. They'll probably get what they want, they always do. The whole patent system needs to be redone.
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I was reading a couple of news stories that state apple is trying to patent Hydrogen fuel cells for mobile devices. I was thinking "Congratulations Apple that is the type of innovation we need." However then I learned that Apple not only does not have a working prototype or a solid methodolgy, But they are patenting the fuel cells because they are following another research groups work that will make Hydrogen fuel cells more feasable. Unless Apple gets its act together and finances its own reasearch into this field and comes up with a working methodolgy and solution I believe this patent application should be thrown out, and the ACTUAL reaserchers granted all patent protection.
Article on apples patent application http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Pate...l+CellPowered+Mobile+Devices/article23589.htm
Article talking about the researches apple is preying upon: http://www.dailytech.com/Researcher...en+Fuel+Cells+More+Practical/article23164.htm
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Hmmm...Hydrogen fuel cells already exist. Apple didn't invent the technology.
maybe hydrogen fuel cells as battery in mobile phone or tablets...
That's evil apple. Unless you are in talks with the other research group about it, that's just evil to take someone else's idea.
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If they want to patent a hydrogen fuel cell for phones,good for them. Someone needs to do it but they cannot patent something they do not have. You don't actually have to build the thing to get a patent. You do, however, have to be able to describe it in such a way that someone COULD build it.
An idea and a dollar might get you a coke but working schematics are the real brass ring here.
they better not grant patent to Apple for a tech they did not even invent.
ridiculous.
hydrogen fuel cell tech should be available to all for benefit of all.
typical Apple shenanigans...
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If they want to patent a hydrogen fuel cell for phones,good for them. Someone needs to do it but they cannot patent something they do not have. You don't actually have to build the thing to get a patent. You do, however, have to be able to describe it in such a way that someone COULD build it.
An idea and a dollar might get you a coke but working schematics are the real brass ring here.
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Tell that to the scientists that thave spent their careers researching it.
Nuenjin said:
If they want to patent a hydrogen fuel cell for phones,good for them. Someone needs to do it but they cannot patent something they do not have. You don't actually have to build the thing to get a patent. You do, however, have to be able to describe it in such a way that someone COULD build it.
An idea and a dollar might get you a coke but working schematics are the real brass ring here.
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Though I don't disagree about patenting a mobile phone fuel cell, I do disagree with the kind of patent. I am a firm believer that a patent should never be awarded without an actual working model. Anyone can describe something so well that it seems it can be built. But the problem is, it may or may not be able to be built. There's a lot of trial and error in creating.
The US Patent documentation does not require a working model for typical interactions. Others on XDA have commented that the US patent system is broken and needs reform, I am not commenting on that aspect.
But the directive to describe ones invention so others can build it means specific drawings, schematics and technical language that most people will not understand unless they are engineers of the specific field of the device in question.
Just because some Chinese outfit claims to be able to supply you with top of the line hydrogen cells for your droid 2, with details and a good website, doesn't mean they can.
Let not your hearts be troubled. Even if Apple finds a way to sink billions into a hydrogen battery, others will find a way that does not infringe on their precious patent. And in the end, it will be a good thing for the mobile device market.
The thing that Apple keeps forgetting is that if they win part of a lawsuit, which is akin to a grumpy old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn, they are actually pushing android and hardware manufacturers to find new ways to build phones. That means we win.
That would be cool and effecent
Nuenjin said:
The US Patent documentation does not require a working model for typical interactions. Others on XDA have commented that the US patent system is broken and needs reform, I am not commenting on that aspect.
But the directive to describe ones invention so others can build it means specific drawings, schematics and technical language that most people will not understand unless they are engineers of the specific field of the device in question.
Just because some Chinese outfit claims to be able to supply you with top of the line hydrogen cells for your droid 2, with details and a good website, doesn't mean they can.
Let not your hearts be troubled. Even if Apple finds a way to sink billions into a hydrogen battery, others will find a way that does not infringe on their precious patent. And in the end, it will be a good thing for the mobile device market.
The thing that Apple keeps forgetting is that if they win part of a lawsuit, which is akin to a grumpy old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn, they are actually pushing android and hardware manufacturers to find new ways to build phones. That means we win.
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The sooner Apple loses these patent suits, if they do, the sooner they will bring out new products that will have to compete. Right now Apple is just following the path of least resistance. They are being efficient financially and trying not to have to spend much on new products. In a sense, they are like an anal-retentive person who is so tight with their money they squeak when the walk. They are cleaning their plate to a polish and getting all they can on what they currently have before spending money on new and improved products. This ensures they've done all they can to maximize survivability.
Nuenjin said:
Let not your hearts be troubled. Even if Apple finds a way to sink billions into a hydrogen battery, others will find a way that does not infringe on their precious patent. And in the end, it will be a good thing for the mobile device market.
The thing that Apple keeps forgetting is that if they win part of a lawsuit, which is akin to a grumpy old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn, they are actually pushing android and hardware manufacturers to find new ways to build phones. That means we win.
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For literal infringement that might be true, but the doctrine of equivalents makes it expensive to find alternatives that do not infringe upon a patent.
Nuenjin said:
The US Patent documentation does not require a working model for typical interactions. Others on XDA have commented that the US patent system is broken and needs reform, I am not commenting on that aspect.
But the directive to describe ones invention so others can build it means specific drawings, schematics and technical language that most people will not understand unless they are engineers of the specific field of the device in question.
Just because some Chinese outfit claims to be able to supply you with top of the line hydrogen cells for your droid 2, with details and a good website, doesn't mean they can.
Let not your hearts be troubled. Even if Apple finds a way to sink billions into a hydrogen battery, others will find a way that does not infringe on their precious patent. And in the end, it will be a good thing for the mobile device market.
The thing that Apple keeps forgetting is that if they win part of a lawsuit, which is akin to a grumpy old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn, they are actually pushing android and hardware manufacturers to find new ways to build phones. That means we win.
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Nice to meet some who is on the same lines as me.
Like I said, It's always best to just let things run its course. Let the fruit people do what they want to stay in the market.
I'm not the average consumer that most marketing departments target. I'm really into my tech, bordering on obsessive. I research my gadget purchases for months before committing. I keep a constant watch on devices most people seldom ever hear about. One thing that's often puzzled me is HOW Samsung managed such an unusually large lead over every other manufacturer except Apple. I mean aside from the obvious marketing. Another puzzling thing was why it got uptalked so often by the "public" on tech news sites, social media, and store reps. It's not like they're paid to. Right?
I'm not slamming the product. You can't achieve that success on marketing alone, you still have to make a decent product. Key word: decent. This is why I was puzzled. Samsung's competitors make good products too. There's nothing vastly superior about Samsung devices that would be proportionate to their lead in sales and market share, even when you factor in "usual" marketing methods.
CNN appears to have turned over a rock and found something about Samsung's marketing methods underneath. Something Samsung came close to but not quite admitting. What are your thoughts? Do you think these kinds of practices should fall under antitrust laws or do you believe all is fair in retail war?
Here is the first article:
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/20/apple-samsung-dirty-tricks/
This is the followup where they comment on the suspicious activities they discovered in the reaction to the original:
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/21/apple-samsung-agent-provocateurs/#respond