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Samsung’s lawyers demand to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3

looks like this will get nasty
We always knew the Apple / Samsung lawsuit would produce some major fireworks, and Samsung just lit off a corker: the company filed a motion Friday night asking Apple to turn over the iPhone 5 and iPad 3 as part of the discovery process. Seriously! Samsung claims that it needs to see Apple’s future products because devices like the Droid Charge and Galaxy Tab 10.1 will presumably be in the market at the same time as the iPhone 5 and iPad 3, and Samsung’s lawyers want to evaluate any possible similarities so they can prepare for further potential legal action from Apple. It’s ballsy, but it’s not totally out of the blue: the move comes just a few days after the judge ordered Samsung to hand over pre-production samples of the Droid Charge, Infuse 4G, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 8.9 so Apple could determine if those products should also be part of the lawsuit and potentially file a motion to block them from the market.
Now, the key difference between the two requests is that Samsung had already announced its products, while Apple has maintained its traditional iron silence about future devices. But there’s some additional nuance involved as well, as well as some bigger-picture implications — let’s walk through the entire situation, shall we?
Last week, Apple asked the court to order Samsung to hand over samples of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Galaxy Tab 8.9, the Galaxy S II, the Infuse 4G, and the Droid Charge so Cupertino could figure out whether they should be part of the lawsuit — and whether to ask for a preliminary injunction preventing Samsung’s products from going on sale.
The court sided with Apple, in large part because Samsung had already released review units and photos of everything listed. In fact, the ruling came just days after Samsung handed out thousands of Galaxy Tab 10.1s at Google I/O, so really the only unreleased product on the list is the Tab 8.9 — a product that was announced in March and has been handled on video.
The court imposed one important condition on Apple in order to protect Samsung’s competitive edge, however: only Cupertino’s outside lawyers are allowed to look at Samsung’s pre-release hardware, not anyone from Apple itself. (Of course, there’s nothing stopping someone at Apple from running out and picking up a Droid Charge or Infuse 4G at retail, but pre-production samples that come from Samsung under this order are protected.)
Apple hasn’t yet filed for that preliminary injunction, nor has it said it’s going to anytime soon.
Now, given that most of the Samsung products on the list were already either available or fully disclosed, it wasn’t surprising that Apple won — in fact, it’s more interesting that Samsung had chose to fight back on such a minor issue in the first place, since it had so little at stake. (And it’s also somewhat interesting that Apple even asked for Samsung’s products in discovery instead of just filing for an injunction from the get-go, since they had all been announced already.) It’s a tell: no little compromises means no big compromises are in the works. So now let’s step through Samsung’s motion to see the iPhone 5 and iPad 3 and try to get a sense of what’s actually happening in context.
Samsung’s asking for a court order requiring Apple to produce “the final, commercial versions” of the next-generation iPhone and iPad and their respective packaging by June 13, 2011, so it can evaluate whether there’ll be confusion between Samsung and Apple’s future products. If the final versions aren’t available, Samsung wants “the most current version of each to be produced instead.”
Samsung doesn’t actually know Apple is planning to release a new iPhone or iPad; the motion is based on “internet reports” and “Apple’s past practice.” Obviously this is a critical difference between Apple’s request and Samsung’s — Samsung had already disclosed its new products, and Apple didn’t ask for anything that wasn’t already announced.
Samsung says it has to see the next-gen iPhone and iPad because it believes those are the products that will actually be on the market against future Samsung devices, so it has to be prepared for Apple’s potential motion for a preliminary injunction. That’s kind of a stretch: Apple can’t really file for a preliminary injunction based on potential confusion with unannounced, unreleased products, so Apple’s lawyers will almost certainly focus on confusion with the company’s existing products.
Indeed, Apple told Samsung on May 23 that any potential motion for a preliminary injunction “would be based on products Apple currently has in the market.”
Samsung says that doesn’t matter because Apple tends to discontinue previous products when it launches new ones, and it has to be prepared for what might be in the market when and if Apple actually files its motion. This is also a bit strange, since Apple kept both the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS on the market after launching new models. You can bet Apple will point that out.
Samsung’s also promised to abide by the same rules as Apple — only its lawyers will get to see anything Apple produces, not anyone at Samsung. (Or us, unfortunately.)
Lastly, Samsung says “fundamental fairness” requires Apple to give up its future products, since Samsung had to do the same. Tellingly, Samsung doesn’t reference any precedent or law to bolster this line of argument — it’s basically just asking the court to be nice.
So that’s Samsung’s motion. It’s pretty strange, if you think about it: Samsung is arguing that Apple might file for a preliminary injunction, and that it might happen sometime after Apple might release a new iPhone and iPad. That’s a lot of assumptions — and Apple can basically kill this entire line of argument dead by filing for that injunction Monday morning and saying that Samsung’s already-announced products should be blocked from market because they’ll cause confusion with the iPhone 4 and iPad 2 for however many months remain before the new versions are released. Neither the court nor Samsung really need to see Apple’s unreleased products to deal with that. And even if Samsung wins, Apple will definitely appeal the decision, putting the entire case on hold while things get sorted out… a process that will almost certainly stretch past the iPhone 5′s expected release in the fall, rendering this entire argument somewhat moot. And what happens if Samsung eventually gets the iPhone 5 and determines that the Droid Charge infringes Apple’s patents and trademarks? Is it going to change the Droid Charge? The potential outcomes aren’t entirely favorable here.
So why is Samsung even pursuing this? I think it’s a calculated gamble for additional leverage. Apple and Samsung held negotiations for a year before giving up and heading to the courts, and I’m reliably informed that there haven’t been any substantive settlement discussions since Apple first filed its complaint. That means talks have been at a standstill for a long time now, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Samsung was trying to put some additional heat on Apple to try and kick negotiations back into gear. It’s an interesting and aggressive move in its own right, but it also highlights the fact that neither Apple nor Samsung have addressed the actual merits of their complaints in formal replies — this is a minor skirmish before the real battle begins. We’ll see if this sideshow accomplishes anything beyond clever lawyerly maneuvering, but for right now it’s clear that Apple and Samsung aren’t planning to back down anytime soon.
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Doesn't samsung give apple most of the iphones parts...
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Jmatch said:
Doesn't samsung give apple most of the iphones parts...
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yup, I wonder if apple's lawyers took that into consideration before they brought up these charges

Wow Cheezynutz Nice long synopsis. Some of your ideas make sense about the tactics of these 2 companies, but here is the Gist of the whole thing:
Apple knows their market share is waning in the cell phone market so, trying to throw roadblocks is one tactic to delay the inevitable.
Apple has little chance to win this since the market that makes the difference is outside the USA It is all of the world and our court rulings no matter the outcome will have little to no bearing on that market. Compound that, along with some of the development problems Apple is having causing release delays (now 1st Q 2012) just translates into Android as a whole is like a Tsunami taking over everything. Beating on Samsung is nothing more than a side show, the real show is watching if Android consolidates their app market into more cohesive products and less version sensitive. That in itself will be the straw that breaks Apple's back. The hardware out there is not going to be the game changer at this point ads all of them are really very good.
Legal wrangling is not going to change any of this dynamic....... so to me I think Samsung actually wins all because the Apple legal team made the original demand to have access to Samsung products.......... Just like a chess Gambit Losing a piece early ends up giving you a winning position in the long run. Apple's legal team fell for it.... too .........And That is the most amusing part of all this....
Jmatch, yes samsung makes some of the components as does Foxconn (China) but I believe the final assembly is done elsewhere. Samsung pretty much has a lock on amoled
Great posting thanks !!!

That's the irony in this all, Samsung is actually apples provider. Lol and apple goes and sues them, that's really a dumb move on apples part.
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I bet Samsung loses this one. IPad 2 was launched last month and Samsung is asking for non announced products, apple may release a IPhone 4S instead a IPhone 5, both are 5th generation. While Samsung products were announced and being released.

the fight between these 2 COs will never end.

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The SoC's Apple uses are done on Samsungs Fab process just like their own, it's a different market from phones to phone parts.

lol x10

It is called discovery, right?

Apple products are very similar to previous versions so I doubt Samsung will have anything to gain besides annoying Apple. If it wasn't for the iPod touch I wouldn't even have anything to do with Apple.

Apple are arrogant regarding these kind of matters. "I have the genius I have the power" ... but that power without the manpower, the raw materials, the technology ... is nothing.

Meanwhile Apple products are churned out in Chinese factories, with poor pay and appalling conditions for the assembly workers.
It must be a relief for them to know that Apple have such a big legal team watching their backs. Oh, wait...

DirkGently1 said:
Meanwhile Apple products are churned out in Chinese factories, with poor pay and appalling conditions for the assembly workers.
It must be a relief for them to know that Apple have such a big legal team watching their backs. Oh, wait...
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Samsung is out of Korea, and has shops in Korea and China. I don't think the conditions are that much better, plus it's foxconn that assembles the products. Apple only pays for the assembly. There really isn't a lot in this world anymore that isn't made in Chinese factories, with poor pay and appalling conditions for the assembly workers...

Apple files for preliminary injunction against the Infuse 4g (among others)

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...s-4g-dr/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
---"if this thing holds, and it's determined that the aforesaid products may well indeed be infringing on Apple's rights, Sammy could be forced to yank those products from US shelves within a couple of months."---
Wanted to give a heads up for those thinking about getting the infuse that you might have to get it soon. Damn I hate patent wars like this. I hope apple loses... hard

if apple wants to sue samsung over the look and function of the tw launcher app drawer as it is similar to the ios home screen they may as well sue lg for stealing samsungs look as well. apple has been stealing form and function from other companies from day one, the only reason it is an issue for apple is that samsung makes popular devices.

Apple's ripping off Android's swipe down notifications too. Then they have the nerve to say that Samsung is ripping them off. Funny how hypocrisy works...

Man, I was just about to post this. Its completely ridiculous. I hope apple loses hard as well.

has anyone seen apple's keynote for ios5? nearly 8 of their 10 "new" features are ripped from android. features that google has had for a few years now..

samsung is a much bigger company than apple. apple only has there marketing and public image. this wont hurt samsung one bit. on the other hand if google gets involved and if samsung wins the 20 some odd pattent infringments in cell technology that they are suing apple over then apple could be crushed pretty hard.
this is apples business strategy. steal all the great i deas they can and portray an image that the opposite is happening. they have been doing this as long as they have been in business. everything from there aesthetics to the technology in there products to there os's take advantage of the better ideas out there that already existed while they put a stupid half eaten apple on it and tell the world they are inovators.

Apple wins preliminary injunction against sale of Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in EU

Apple blocks sale of Samsung's Android fondleslab across EU
Stifle competition appears to be the corporate strategy of the day

With its German suit based on the Community Design, Apple seeks fines of up to 250,000 euros (roughly $350,000) for each violation or, if the alleged infringement continues, imprisonment of Samsung management for up to two years.
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Jobs has gone off the deep end... this is ludicrous.
IMPRISONMENT?
these are guys with families just trying to make, albeit rather opulent, a living... and Apple wants them thrown into jail?
terrifying. I seriously hope Apple's strategy backfires.. this kind of stuff scares the living daylights out of me.

Apple is evil. But noone cares besides people like us who see what goes on behind the scenes. The average consumer just wants the "best" product. I put best in quotes because the general public thinks anything with that Apple logo is automatically the best thing out there.

slapshot30 said:
Apple is evil. But noone cares besides people like us who see what goes on behind the scenes. The average consumer just wants the "best" product. I put best in quotes because the general public thinks anything with that Apple logo is automatically the best thing out there.
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1/3 of iPhone users mistakenly think they have 4g. That's including 3GS users. If you did a poll with just iPhone 4 users, I bet half of them would claim to have 4g.
Apples needs an injunction because half of Apple's userbase probably couldn't figure out that a tablet that says "SAMSUNG" on the front is not from Apple.

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bleach168 said:
1/3 of iPhone users mistakenly think they have 4g. That's including 3GS users. If you did a poll with just iPhone 4 users, I bet half of them would claim to have 4g.
Apples needs an injunction because half of Apple's userbase probably couldn't figure out that a tablet that says "SAMSUNG" on the front is not from Apple.
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most consumers are basically whores who will buy anything they see on tv if a celebrity endorses it, or it has flashy graphics. i dunno, i spent to much time in advertising to figure out the tricks and gimmicks of tech companies.
why do you think ESPN uses whiz-bang graphics? of course, short attention spans like flashy colors.

WOW!: Apple Wins Final U.S. Patent Ruling Banning Some HTC Phones

By Susan Decker - Dec 19, 2011 3:46 PM GMT-0800
Apple Inc. (AAPL) won a patent-infringement ruling that bans some HTC Corp. (2498) smartphones from the U.S. starting next year, bolstering efforts to prove that devices running Google Inc.’s Android operating system copy the iPhone.
The U.S. International Trade Commission, in a review of a judge’s findings in July, said yesterday that HTC is violating one Apple patent related to data-detection technology and issued a limited import exclusion order that takes effect April 19.
“HTC will completely remove it from all of our phones soon,” Grace Lei, general counsel for Taoyuan, Taiwan-based HTC, said in an e-mail. The six-member commission determined that three other patents in the case weren’t infringed.
While less than what Apple sought, the ruling gives the company its first victory in patent cases designed to slow the growth of Android, which former Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs claimed “ripped off the iPhone.” Apple has one other case against HTC, as well as complaints against Samsung Electronics Co. and Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc., and is involved in more than a dozen other cases before the trade commission.
“The battle between Apple and Android is going to continue,” said Peter Toren, a patent lawyer with Shulman Rogers in Potomac, Maryland, who has been watching the cases. “I’m not sure this decision, the way it is, is enough to push the parties to settlement. Apple doesn’t have the leverage of a total exclusionary order.”
Nexus One
The list of affected products and a full reason for the commission’s decision, which is subject to appeal and a presidential review, wasn’t immediately made public. Apple’s original complaint named HTC’s Nexus One, Touch Pro, Diamond, Tilt II, Dream, myTouch, Hero and Droid Eris.
Kristin Huguet, a spokeswoman for Cupertino, California- based Apple, declined to discuss the possibility of a settlement. She repeated the company’s position that “competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology.”
Representatives from Google had no immediate comment.
The ruling is the first definitive decision in the dozens of patent cases that began to proliferate in 2010 as smartphone makers battle over a market that Strategy Analytics Inc. said increased 44 percent last quarter from a year earlier to 117 million phones worldwide. HTC, the second-largest maker of Android phones, used its partnership with Google to help transform itself from a contract manufacturer founded in 1997 to the biggest U.S. smartphone seller in the third quarter.
HTC Sales
HTC generated about $5 billion in U.S. sales last year, according to a separate patent complaint it filed at the trade agency against Apple. That’s more than half of HTC’s $9 billion (NT$275 billion) in global sales last year.
The commission’s order applies to new phone imports and doesn’t force HTC to pull existing devices off U.S. store shelves. The company can import refurbished phones to fulfill warranties or insurance contracts through Dec. 19, 2013.
“This exemption does not permit HTC to call new devices ‘refurbished’ and to import them as replacements,” the commission said.
Apple’s so-called ’647 patent covered a feature in which the phone recognizes a telephone number so it can be stored in directories or called without dialing.
“The ’647 patent is a small user interface experience,” Lei said. The company is pleased with the commission’s overall decision, and “we respect it.”
IPhone 4s, Galaxy
HTC phones accounted for 24 percent of the U.S. smartphone market in the third quarter, based on shipments, Palo Alto, California-based researcher Canalys reported Oct. 31. Samsung held 21 percent of the market, and Apple 20 percent. The market is volatile, and the Apple iPhone 4s that went on sale in October and Samsung’s newest Galaxy phone are likely to change the rankings for the fourth quarter.
Apple contended in its complaint that the HTC phones infringed four patents. Administrative Law Judge Carl Charneski in July sided with Apple for two of the patents: the data- detection one and the other covering the transmission of multiple types of data. The commission overturned the judge’s findings on that patent, and affirmed his determination that the remaining two patents weren’t infringed, which covered ways software programs are written and executed.
The commission, a quasi-judicial arbiter of trade disputes with the power to block products that infringe U.S. patents, chose in September to review Charneski’s findings.
‘Destroy Android’
Apple has a second complaint pending before the commission that claims other HTC smartphones and Flyer tablet computers infringe five patents related to software architecture and user interfaces. Apple also has cases before the trade commission and in district courts against Samsung and Motorola Mobility, which Google agreed to acquire in August.
The fight can be traced back to a decision by Jobs in March 2010 to file the HTC case, the first patent complaint by a device maker targeting Google’s Android operating system. Jobs, who died Oct. 5, made it his mission “to destroy Android,” which he said “ripped off the iPhone, wholesale,” according to Walter Isaacson’s biography of the Apple founder.
HTC has retaliated with two trade commission cases against Apple, one submitted last year and one in August. HTC lost a preliminary ruling by a judge in the case filed last year, a decision that the commission is now reviewing. The other case has yet to be decided. S3 Graphics Co., a company HTC agreed to buy in July, also has two commission cases against Apple, one of which Apple won last month.
Mobile Advertising
Google, which hasn’t been named in any of the Apple cases, denies copying the iPhone and said in a filing that Apple is trying to control the U.S. smartphone market through litigation.
HTC’s Android devices “are helping prevent Apple’s iOS from becoming the sole viable mobile platform and thus ‘locking in’ consumers and software developers to that platform,” Google said in the Oct. 6 filing.
Google’s Android accounts for about 70 percent of the smartphone operating systems used in the U.S., according to Canalys. Mountain View, California-based Google licenses Android to handset makers for free as a way to further its business of selling display and search advertising on mobile devices.
Google’s share of this year’s estimated $2.1 billion U.S. mobile-ad market will expand to 24 percent from 19 percent in 2010, Framingham, Massachusetts-based researcher IDC said Dec. 13. Millennial Media Inc.’s slice may climb to 17 percent from 15 percent, and Apple’s will decline to 15 percent from 19 percent.
The case is In the Matter of Certain Personal Data and Mobile Communications Devices and Related Software, 337-710, U.S. International Trade Commission (Washington).

This is hardly a win for Apple if you look at the facts of the case:
- Only android 1.6 - 2.2 devices are affected
- HTC has already stated they will be working around this to remove the infringing item from their phones
- Out of an initial ten patent violations alleged by Apple, the ruling has been in Apple's favour 'only partially' for one patent.
Yes it is extra work for HTC but not the nightmares that were painted in the press. And *it does not effect new devices*

I first read about it here:
http://gizmodo.com/5869507/htc-android-phones-are-being-banned-from-the-us-next-year

droidwizzo said:
This is hardly a win for Apple if you look at the facts of the case:
- Only android 1.6 - 2.2 devices are affected
- HTC has already stated they will be working around this to remove the infringing item from their phones
- Out of an initial ten patent violations alleged by Apple, the ruling has been in Apple's favour 'only partially' for one patent.
Yes it is extra work for HTC but not the nightmares that were painted in the press. And *it does not effect new devices*
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Good!
I know it's a long shot, but I do hope this shallow victory deters Apple from trying to use patents as a weapon. Why can they just go back to innovating things and beating the competition through trying to be better?
Sigh, I miss Y2K-era Apple...

nak1017 said:
Good!
I know it's a long shot, but I do hope this shallow victory deters Apple from trying to use patents as a weapon. Why can they just go back to innovating things and beating the competition through trying to be better?
Sigh, I miss Y2K-era Apple...
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Why do many sectors of industry fight against knock-off and copies? Answer that and you'll have the answer you seek.

Apple sauce is slimey and another big brother corporation!

MartyLK said:
Why do many sectors of industry fight against knock-off and copies? Answer that and you'll have the answer you seek.
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evrey 1 copy appul. herp derp. appul invent smartpone and mp3 player. Herp a derp.
Things apple copied:
fruit
Phones
3G
Bluetooth (Although they made it semi-unique by crippling it)
Mobile operating systems
Microsoft
Lies (especially in advertising)
Steve Jobses DNA
Android
Shops
1 gig processor
fanbois
Samsung (They get samsung to sopy their own stuff for them)
LG
LG Prada
Trolls
Reality distortion field
Themselves
Ubuntu
The linux penguin. (He was cool long before apple)
coolness (Other, mainly only percieved by other apple fans)
Delusion
Windows
Satan
Obviousness (once again especially in advertising, "Herp - If you don't own a eye pad well you dont own an eye pad -derp"

All of these companies are taking losses with this whole patent war

hungry81 said:
evrey 1 copy appul. herp derp. appul invent smartpone and mp3 player. Herp a derp.
Things apple copied:
fruit
Phones
3G
Bluetooth (Although they made it semi-unique by crippling it)
Mobile operating systems
Microsoft
Lies (especially in advertising)
Steve Jobses DNA
Android
Shops
1 gig processor
fanbois
Samsung (They get samsung to sopy their own stuff for them)
LG
LG Prada
Trolls
Reality distortion field
Themselves
Ubuntu
The linux penguin. (He was cool long before apple)
coolness (Other, mainly only percieved by other apple fans)
Delusion
Windows
Satan
Obviousness (once again especially in advertising, "Herp - If you don't own a eye pad well you dont own an eye pad -derp"
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ROFL.... Hahhahahahaaa. I love this post, although I'm not in complete agreement with that.
Steve Jobs made it his "MISSION" to destroy Android... Whoa! Either that's a statement made by the media, or Late Mr. Jobs was an arrogant dummy. Methinks it'll turn out to become... MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE.

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Steve Jobs made it his "MISSION" to destroy Android... Whoa! Either that's a statement made by the media, or Late Mr. Jobs was an arrogant dummy. Methinks it'll turn out to become... MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE.
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Honestly, the man seemed to be filled with a lot of hate near the end there so I kind of believe it's something he would say... I don't think he was a dummy, but it is sortof sad.

You know everyone's making a huge deal about this when it only covers 1.6-2.2 do you know any device on the market that sells with 2.2 on it everything's on 2.3 even the cheap budget phones

LOL exactly
if i were managing HTC, i'll simply pull those outdated phones off the shelf and replace them with another dozen of low budget HTC phones on 2.3 or 4.0 as they always like to do
it'll cost them less, than spending man hours and pushing a new ROM and convince people to use the new ROM with the replaced apps
and we all know older 1.6 phones wont be able to use any updated OS, so it'll pointless

it seems now Apple want to be the top brand of smart phone and for that they have to beat rivals like android etc because they know that some HTC phones are much better than the iPhone and just want to get rid of every smart phone maker by using court

I kinda have mixed feelings here. I hate Apple with a passion. I also hate HTC because their from from way back in the day sucked. I guess the lawyers/judge were all Apple sheep with their iphones and what not. lol

I know its not a "big" win, but in the law world it is a win and helps Apple set some precedence in any other patents cases. Apple, why you no like competition?

Well, even if Apple did won, it's not that big of a victory from what I see. In fact, HTC has already made a workaround according to cnet: http://cnet.co/sC3XnE. I'm thinking HTC has foreseen this and created one before hand just in case.

Not that hard to work around. And well, why are they afraid of competition? Because as soon as Apple sheep see a CHEAPER, and BETTER device that is just as dumbafied for them, they'll surely jump on a new bandwagon. For a corp that feeds solely offa those people, I'd be scared of losing them too.

A P P L E=Assholes Placing Patent Lawsuits Everywhere.
Someone needs to stop this madness!

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A P P L E=Assholes Placing Patent Lawsuits Everywhere.
Someone needs to stop this madness!
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Oh man, I really like that!

sooyong94 said:
A P P L E=Assholes Placing Patent Lawsuits Everywhere.
Someone needs to stop this madness!
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I like that. Someone make a t-shirt out of it so I can where that at the Apple store!
Anyways, this is one of the many reasons why I don't like Apple. I like to say they are arrogant but it's not due to their products or pricing, but due to how they rather use patents to kill healthy competitors instead of thinking up newer and better ideas for their products. They rather kill and destroy innovation rather than allowing others to embrace it. If Apple keeps this up, the mobile market could might as well stay stagnant.

apple lawsuits against android manufactures isn't going to make me purchase an iPhone

Who agrees that apple lawsuits against Samsung or HTC ain't going to make you purchase an iOS device? Who agrees apple's stupidity thinks that the basic shape and functionality of an smartphone violates the design of an iPhone?
*Don't get me wrong, I like iOS devices too but only iPad X

I've never supported proprietary technology for it puts a stop to innovation. So I hope apple doesn't get its way through lawsuits.

Apple isn't trying to make you purchase an iPhone, they're simply defending their IP. Fact is Android violates a slew of Apple and MS patents which is why Android OEMs are facing legal troubles. Samsung is the worst offender,because their products are obvious Apple rip offs, they even copied the 30 pin cable and AC adapter for god's sake!

alex2792 said:
Apple isn't trying to make you purchase an iPhone, they're simply defending their IP. Fact is Android violates a slew of Apple and MS patents which is why Android OEMs are facing legal troubles. Samsung is the worst offender,because their products are obvious Apple rip offs, they even copied the 30 pin cable and AC adapter for god's sake!
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Apple break patents. So much so that a german court ruled apple products were pulled from stores recently.
And they don't just defend their legit patents...they have been found in at least four court cases to have patents they defended that turned out they did not invent at all. Google apple patent prior art if you are curious about more details.
And as for copying well you do know iphone actually copied lg prada so apple saying others can't use similar looking designs is essentially the pot calling the kettle black.
Apple steals ideas and sometimes patents them, for example they didn't invent touchscreen but they have the patent for it.
All businesses borrow some ideas.
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MrAndroid12 said:
Who agrees that apple lawsuits against Samsung or HTC ain't going to make you purchase an iOS device? Who agrees apple's stupidity thinks that the basic shape and functionality of an smartphone violates the design of an iPhone?
*Don't get me wrong, I like iOS devices too but only iPad X
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For some reason, Apple just rubs me the wrong way. Which is why, in a week or so when I can upgrade, I'm going straight to a Samsung Galaxy Nexus

mistermentality said:
Apple steals ideas and sometimes patents them, for example they didn't invent touchscreen but they have the patent for it.
All businesses borrow some ideas.
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Apple didn't patent the touchscreen, you might be thinking about multitouch that Apple acquired by purchasing a little known company called Fingerworks.

alex2792 said:
Apple didn't patent the touchscreen, you might be thinking about multitouch that Apple acquired by purchasing a little known company called Fingerworks.
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You seem quite confused in alot of your arguments. Did you hear about the multitouch ruling in Germany last week? German courts decided the patent was invalid because the technology existed before the patent was filed for. You can't patent technology that already exists...and I don't think Apple realized that 5 years ago. You say Samsung steals the most...you do realize that 90% of apple components (including its processors) are made by Samsung right? And you do know that Apple lost a ruling this week against motorola and had to pull Ipads and Iphones in Germany? And if Motorola wants to push the ruling of another patent, German users will not be able to receive notifications when they receive an email...
In the end, none of this is good. All it means is companies having to pay for licenses to use the patents which in turn raises the price of each handset produced which means more money out of our pockets...shame on them.

alex2792 said:
Apple didn't patent the touchscreen, you might be thinking about multitouch that Apple acquired by purchasing a little known company called Fingerworks.
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They did...
http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/A...-If-You-Want-Blood-You-Dont-Got-It-72732.html
Dave
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alex2792 said:
Apple isn't trying to make you purchase an iPhone, they're simply defending their IP. Fact is Android violates a slew of Apple and MS patents which is why Android OEMs are facing legal troubles. Samsung is the worst offender,because their products are obvious Apple rip offs, they even copied the 30 pin cable and AC adapter for god's sake!
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I can understand copyrighting the proprietary 30 pin connector Apple uses, but that doesn't mean anything similar is breaking the law. Apple acts like they invented all parallel data transfer cables. Apple has some nerve trying to sue Samsung who makes internal components for the iPhone.
Microsoft bundles IE with Windows in the late 90s and they are labeled a monopoly trying to kill off other browsers. Apple sues anybody who tries to market a competitive product and nobody cares. Most Apple fans hate the late 90s Microsoft, yet the modern day Apple is just as bad.

yeah. I won't buy an iPhone. They're too much to those things.
They doesn't respect technology.

Imagine what we would all be driving if a hundred years ago Mercedes was allowed to patent the conventional car layout that we all use today...the fault lies with the patent offices that granted such broad brush patents in the first place....maybe they all got free iPhones.

baboonsRus said:
Imagine what we would all be driving if a hundred years ago Mercedes was allowed to patent the conventional car layout that we all use today...the fault lies with the patent offices that granted such broad brush patents in the first place....maybe they all got free iPhones.
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I feel you on that! Apple is doing it because they know they are loosing ground!!
But the problem is there are a lot of sheeps out there in this world
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