First off, my intent is no to flame or enflame, but rather an expression of desired continuity. Seanzscreams SkyIce has been lock with thousands upon thousands of user of his rom swinging in the wind. This is supposedly over the "illegal" use of the dropbox.apk being used from a port of the SG3. What I am not understanding is that 4-5 months ago, a similar hack was used with the box.apk ported from the nexus. This was never locked or removed. In fact, it was touted in the portal itself. I am having a problem seeing a difference in the two situations. If this were just a case of cleaning all the flamers, that would be anoter thing because it gets bad, and I hate to see that myself. But, it is not just that. Again, I am looking to cause no uproar, but voice my concern over this. I have to. If I felt I could not do at least that here, than the forum would feel like being stuck in iOS. Limited, stifled and voiceless. I cant stand the thought of XDA feeling like that to me after four years of being here. Thank-you for your understanding on the nature of this post. Respect to mods, respect to devs, and respect to fellow users.
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In before lock! :silly:
Its prob not the apk its self but what he got in return for including into rom. Not that I have anything against it, I mean hell he spends a lot of time for us the users. He should get something.
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I truly hope it does not get locked. There is never anything wrong with a place to respectfully and diplomatically voice concerns and/or thoughts on such a topic. I choose to never flame or stifle anyone, and always welcome respectful opposition to my point of view. Hell, i am use to being told im wrong. Ive been married twice, lol.
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Its prob not the apk its self but what he got in return for including into rom. Not that I have anything against it, I mean hell he spends a lot of time for us the users. He should get something. Thank-you for your input on this cha0dsm. The more info, the better.
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I was not aware of him getting anything for including it. Bit if that is the situation, then point well taken. Whether that .apk is present or not, he will still be on my donate to list. His roms have made my phone so much more enjoyable than I could have imagined. Funny thing is, I never got the extra space with that .apk. But to be fair, I never use dropbox either.
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Hell, i am use to being told im wrong. Ive been married twice, lol.
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Haha great! You said it!:laugh:
Us types may just be the silent minority but we know our place!
And I'll add to it, it's not just the wives, but the kids sure like to show us it too sometimes. Makes a man humble.
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I would hate to lose such a prolific Dev to this. I see the value in, XDA protecting itself, from perceived illegal activity, I see no issue with locking the threads until figured out. I would rather lose a Rom than this wonderful site.
Here's to SeanZ quick fix and re-upload of a new version of SkyICS 4.2F without the offending apk.
Thank you Seanz and XDA, both, for what you give us.
I'm assuming there is some back-channel dialog with Sean, and hopefully all ends well with new version(s) of the ROMs without the dropbox.apk.
That said, this is kind of an interesting line to walk, given how much of the activity (and value) of xda relates to all sorts of leaked, back-ported, or re-distributed software. When a leaked ROM is posted, or pieces of a ROM cross-ported & posted, for example, is it always clear which pieces are "okay" and which are "TOS violations?"
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I would hate to lose such a prolific Dev to this. I see the value in, XDA protecting itself, from perceived illegal activity, I see no issue with locking the threads until figured out. I would rather lose a Rom than this wonderful site.
Here's to SeanZ quick fix and re-upload of a new version of SkyICS 4.2F without the offending apk.
Thank you Seanz and XDA, both, for what you give us.
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While I may still have a few concerns, I completely understand your stance. I love this community, which was the motivation for writing the Op. I also absolutely love the Roms that Sean provides for us. His work and dedication for us, as a community, is simply amazing. I have an immense amount of respect and gratitude for the man. As far as the Mod who locked the threads, I have never noticed anything truly "unfair" or "demeaning" by them, either. Even warning posts are courteous and respectful. So, I cant complain there. Heres to hoping that this amazing dev and the officiating mod/mods get this cleared up in a timely and mutually beneficial manner, so we can all resume our enjoyment of Seans brilliant roms within this great community.
I've been on other thread for other devices when the links get pulled. The talk was the OP was told/PMed in advance, of the infraction. thus giving the OP an opportunity to fix, I'm not saying this happen this time. I believe the Mods are on the up and up and want the treads to continue with out any issues. I would imagine that their is often behind the scenes warnings.
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Since skyics got closed for using dropbox.apk wouldn't the leaked roms be considered the same thing? It has apk files from the carriers in them that might have been updated and not released yet. I am just wondering how that works? I don't want to get in trouble for using something I'm not suppose to,
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Since skyics got closed for using dropbox.apk wouldn't the leaked roms be considered the same thing? It has apk files from the carriers in them that might have been updated and not released yet. I am just wondering how that works? I don't want to get in trouble for using something I'm not suppose to,
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I think it is more of an issue of it being on a device in which it was not meant for, and as a direct result, getting something (50Gb) that you were not otherwise able to get. If it was just a regular Dropbox.apk, it would be no big deal. The extra 50Gb promotion added to it is where the issue lies. It is a very slippery slope, though. In an open source dev community, I suppose it could be argued either way. It will come down to basic rules and judgement on a case by case basis, most likely. Like I said in the op, the same occurance with the Box.apk 50Gb promotion ported from the Nexus was never questioned, so I guess it can be labeled as a grey area and go either way.
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Thank you for clearing that up. I just didn't want to get in any trouble if the other apk files were illegal.
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I think it is more of an issue of it being on a device in which it was not meant for, and as a direct result, getting something (50Gb) that you were not otherwise able to get. If it was just a regular Dropbox.apk, it would be no big deal. The extra 50Gb promotion added to it is where the issue lies. It is a very slippery slope, though. In an open source dev community, I suppose it could be argued either way. It will come down to basic rules and judgement on a case by case basis, most likely. Like I said in the op, the same occurance with the Box.apk 50Gb promotion ported from the Nexus was never questioned, so I guess it can be labeled as a grey area and go either way.
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This can definitely be argued either way... all of the "leaked" ICS roms can be considered stolen, as they are not "official" releases.
I think what's bothering me the most is that in the 4 months I've had my skyrocket, I honestly can't remember any involvement from a Mod, and now threads are locked everywhere. Makes ya scratch your head. (I don't say this to flame, it's just odd seeing a one-day heavy cleanup. To add to that... Sean has had drop box in his from for 2 weeks... why now?)
Edited: cause fat thumbs sumbited before I was ready! Lol!
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If it turns out the the folks at Dropbox are behind this, I will move to another cloud storage solution and close my Dropbox account.
There are too many other options available.
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The issue is DropBox is a paid service, any free exploit is illegal.
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The issue is DropBox is a paid service, any free exploit is illegal.
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Yes, it could very well be that Dropbox is forcing the hand of XDA on this one. In that case, XDA would indeed have to protect itself. I would imagine that Sean will have the opportunity to "clean" and re-release his rom. Otherwise, the threads would have been simply deleted. Just my opinion, though.
Since the 4.2F thread is back open, thanks to Sean and the mods for their fast work in getting things resolved. Back to Sky-Ics Bliss.
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I want to make sure I'm understanding what's all been going on here the past few days:
A dev releases an alpha radio to the community, along with all the usual disclaimers, etc. (Name not used to protect the innocent).
People start flashing this new "alpha" radio.
Some people start to experience very odd issues which does not allow them to even get back to a stock state (like what worked with every other type of phone).
The dev becomes a little concerned - Since the dev released the radio to the community, he feels it is his duty to inform people that it may be a good idea to revert back to a non "alpha" radio release, because this alpha release may make you not be able to use your phone anymore - again this is an "alpha" release, so no telling what could be causing the issue, but since he is a respected member of the dev community, his reputation may be at stake. So he posts here on XDA.
Next thing you know...Pitchforks and torches.
Go figure.
There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
Agree, JCase has had too long of a history being supportive and on the right side of the line and in this community to be at some fault. **** happens and accidents are unpredictable for a reason. Anyone that tries to roast him doesn't appreciate the work and effort these guys spend making our devices a little bit closer to heaven.
At least he warned us before 90% of the community had bricked phones.
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There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
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Id say more like 1 in a few hundred, or even thousand, but agreed. Devs are doing a great job.
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Ya, it still amazes me that people are getting all mad and "demand" to know what, why , who, where, how, when, etc.
I'm just glad there are devs out there who can provide solutions, so that I don't have to try and create my own.
The Dev's Rock!
Yeah people need to understand the inherent risks in flashing things to their phones, even more so when its clearly stated that the leaked GB radio was an ALPHA release.
I have nothing but respect for devs who work hard to make our phones even better than what they already are.
Thanks!!!!
jcase is not to blame... it is the modders who run alpha software knowing it may brick their phones then they have to get mad at someone... rather than looking in the mirror.
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Yah I agree I mean isn't the whole rooting, custom rom an "at your own risk" anyway.. I don't get it but goes with half the crap going on these days.. No self responsibility. You flashed it you risked it..! WTF
I would really like to know why, I'm not asking for it though. I am just curious. Really I just want gb to be working safely again.
Jcase and the others have done nothing but provide excellent updates, service and everything else. I am truly impressed by their level of commitment. As others have mentioned in other threads... People get paid decent cash to do what jcase does for free. Thank you, truly.
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Well, he's got a big ego, that matches his reputation. Some people are irritated by that. But no matter what you think of him personally, he's given a lot to the bolt community and that should be respected.
I thought there were some people on here with childish attitudes. I finally realized why...some of them are....Some are younger than my own kids.
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Is Jcase really taking heat? I mean, come on people, we know going in that we can gank our phones by flashing unapproved stuff on them. We brick, we only have ourselves to blame, simple as that. I for one applaud Jcase for alerting us so quickly to the problem.
What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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The haters of jcase are using this as a reason to hate on him. Not saying it's justified, just where it comes from.
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Right. IMO, if anyone complains about a bricked device, they should be banned. The minute you root your device, the responsibility for bricking lies with you.
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"Innocent " not guilty of crime or offense. These devs keep on giving so much to us and this is how we try to repay them by persecution ,instead of the being " behind you " approach we should stand side by side with them, and after all we all practice freewill by flashing.
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Some people are stupid. Simple as that.
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I never knew who JCase was before the Thunderbolt, but I have to say he is a pretty cool dood, and it is awesome to see Devs getting leaks like he does. Never saw any of this with the Evo 4G. We never got to have new radios/roms of new firmware versions until after then had been out a week or two and devs had gotten a hold of them. Here we have them weeks if not months in advance, and I applaud him, and other devs for that.
And just think, they do this all without expecting anything.
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I haven't really been following the story, so I didn't know a dev was taking heat. Lame. Had my phone ended up bricked, I'd blame myself.
Well well well we just found out all your data is going to an Amazon server if you updated to the new 2.3.4 EVO and Sensation users. How long you use an app, What app you are using, The fact that you are rooted, the location you are using it from etc etc (without QIC) is being uploaded to an Amazon server un-encrypted. How's that for security? However thanks to Synergy team developer TrevE users of Synergy and the upcoming Eternity ROM from Virus will be secure against this obvious infringement of your privacy. What is HTC up to? And furthermore what other manufacturers are using similar methods? One thing Trev pointed out was your warranty can be voided immediately. They know you are rooted! The repercussions of this are astounding and frankly I am proud to be breaking this story with all of the work I have done here recently speaking out when I find are data being wrongly horded and used in nefarious ways. Kudos to TrevE and Virus for showing me this and helping the community find a way to put a stop to it. This is an ongoing game people and it is the aftermarket guys like Team Synergy and even journalist like myself who are a pretty good line of defense when crap like this comes up. They have your IMEI they know your location from the cell towers in hex and they know you are rooted. The best way to defend yourself is by rooting and flashing these guys ROMS period and that's a win win. Top of the line performance and defense against heinous invasion of your privacy.
for technical details including the nefarious code you can go HERE. The user behavior logs and other info are right in the thread of our sister site InfectedROM.com
The Synergy team and Revolution for the win... oh and when your using Synergy ROM and Eternity ROM this is what HTC will see..... Beat By Team Synergy. Jokes on them. I'm certainly laughing.
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Someone pointed this out to me so I thought I'd share it with you all.
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The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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I dont think so...I am curious to know also....What are they doing with this data that they have NOT asked us to collect.
I think the op is going way overboard assuming these STATISTICS are being used " nefariously " sure, point it out, bit don't start throwing out accusations without evidence that harmful acts are being perpetrated and scaring the community into a state of paranoia.
I think the OP just copied and pasted the article, so no need to blame him.
And yea, the way the article is written just makes it seem like a rant and not very credible...
dear Op,
please tell us about the services activated under account and sync. then disabled them all and see, how like magic that traffic then is gone...
LOL. This is really written in such a sensational way that it's pretty funny that I really am fifty fifty believing this post. It's like the posts on the web that mention gain six pack ABS in six weeks no exercise. Ah well. Good thing I'm rooted and failed the update.
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OK, I'm calling BS, or at the very least calling it inaccurate. If you look up those IPs, they belong to amazonaws.com. If you look this up, you get Amazon Web Services. It's basically a bunch of cloud/database services they offer, for people and other companies to utilize. So while it may go to an Amazon server, it is most likely not actually going to Amazon. It is still just HTC, nothing different, just a different server. Also, WHO THE HELL CARES? It's not like it is constantly sending this data all the time. In fact, I'd be willing to bet this only gets sent when you actually submit one of those 'Tell HTC' forms that show up sometimes.
Well, one more spying us is not a problem
What an interesting post. Is there any kind of independent watchdog group who goes over all the code in these roms to see what is actually going on? I assume it's all open source, so they can't really hide what they're doing. How it works in the real world, however, I don't know.
"Exclusive: Someone Is Getting All Your Data And We Know How To Stop Them!"
Really?
This is an internet forum, not a tabloid newspaper/self-help magazine.
sound like to me that you just want people to download and use your rom. because if you knew a way to stop this why not post the fix ,no instead you want us to use your rom go suck and egg.bs
Now I get it...
Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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you my good sir... are exactly what we need around here hahaha hilarious
Can they even do that as in htc? Isnt it like trespassing other people privacy?
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Can they even do that as in htc? Isnt it like trespassing other people privacy?
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Apparently they can, take a look in setting > about phone > legal information > HTC legal, its all there..
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Apparently they can, take a look in setting > about phone > legal information > HTC legal, its all there..
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well that is one clever move made by htc. -.- wthell man. no privacy !!! anyway thanks for the info though... cant believe that they did this kind of thing to their customer.
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The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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The article is not questioning Amazon but HTC. And its a fact so FUD spreading I think not
Setting the Record Straight.
For the record I would never post anything that I wrote here on XDA i'm not responsible for the post. To the people who were interested in the information imparted in said post. Glad it helped. To the folks who think it's FUD. Too bad. To the folks who think I write a tabloid... well thats for the people reading it to decide. To the folks who think the fix isn't in the piece. Get your reading glasses. Oh and to the folks who don't like the fact that I promoted the developers who created the fix and think Synergy is a crappy ROM take that up with the developer of said ROMs. Thanks a million and have a blessed day.
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sound like to me that you just want people to download and use your rom. because if you knew a way to stop this why not post the fix ,no instead you want us to use your rom go suck and egg.bs
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Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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I don't necessarily believe it either but I wonder if you guys even clicked on the link because there's actually a bunch of source there, and explanations of what happens when you delete certain files that are harvesting info, and the source code that was used to "defeat" the info harvesting behaviors. I think this is interesting at the very least, if not true even if it was definitely presented in a sensational way.
I don't particularly care WHERE the data is going, I want to know WHY it's being collected in the first place, especially if it is not vital to the functioning of our mobile devices, which it seems pretty clear to all of us, it isn't. Even if YOU don't care about your info and data being harvested by google, some of us do and many of us find it very disconcerting.
Also, a guy with 14 posts trolling and asking where "XDA is heading" am I the only one that appreciates how ridiculous that is?
What do you guys think about starting a bounty for move devs like our current devs but honestly mould more hurt us
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I think it would be great to get some more devs on board but I don't see it happening. With the recent wave of phones out now and obviously the soon to be released GN, its going to be very difficult to sway devs our way.
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How about a bounty for ICS. I think anyone who can get it on our phone deserves some cash. I'd put $10 into the pot. Is there already a bounty on that somewhere or should we start one? I'm all for rewarding Devs hard work and I'm sure it would help to give em an incentive.
Agreed but as mentioned previously we need cm7 first and ril fixed or released whst have u
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I don't understand why developers left this phone for inferior devices. After using Super Amoled Plus I simply cannot use other smartphones and since the galaxy S II never came to Verizon, the charge is the only device on the carrier with this quality display. I've tried rezound and razr and they are junk. I'm sure the nexus will be a little better but its still pentile and MY eyes can tell the difference. Weird that the best device on the carrier (even with its single core) just got ditched....
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Agreed but as mentioned previously we need cm7 first and ril fixed or released whst have u
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I'm a little confused about what is preventing us from getting CM. Is it just the lack of devs or is it something specific about the charge?
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I'm a little confused about what is preventing us from getting CM. Is it just the lack of devs or is it something specific about the charge?
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It's Both!!
I pretty much feel that development on this phone is dead in the water. Other than Danalo, I've seen virtually no official movement from any other dev's since September. Danalo is going to the GNexus and although he says he will still support the phone, I don't forsee much movement. That's not a knock against him or any developer. Lets face it though, there hasn't been much developer interest to begin with. A big part of this is due to the fact that there hasn't been source. Verizon Sammy phones are notoriously slow at getting source. Those of you reading this might say, "But the Fascinate eventually got source AND an MTD CM7 port was done. Why can't this happen with the Charge?" The Fascinate was different. You had a couple of very talented dev's sticking with it for one. For two, there weren't so many new and exciting phones coming out. Sure, there was the TBolt that drew away some
dev's and teams, but now, you have the first ever Verizon Nexus Google based phone coming out and many other (quad core phones) technologically advanced phones on the horizon. What's the incentive to stick with this phone? More importantly than this, what can even be done with it right now? Not much. You couple this with the track record of there not being many touchwiz based Roms in the past to begin with and well.....you see what I mean.
I don't mean to be a downer. I just think this is realistic. I am in no way discounting what Gummy, Danalo, Imnuts and others have done. I appreciate their efforts with this phone but it seems clear to me that the majority of those efforts are over and have been for a while minus Danalos contributions.
Again, I'm sorry but I see this phone's development as virtually over with. I hope I'm wrong but I believe it enough that I'm leaving the phone soon as well.
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To get cm working we need riled working which is the display actually responding of believe
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I pretty much feel that development on this phone is dead in the water. Other than Danalo, I've seen virtually no official movement from any other dev's since September. Danalo is going to the GNexus and although he says he will still support the phone, I don't forsee much movement. That's not a knock against him or any developer. Lets face it though, there hasn't been much developer interest to begin with. A big part of this is due to the fact that there hasn't been source. Verizon Sammy phones are notoriously slow at getting source. Those of you reading this might say, "But the Fascinate eventually got source AND an MTD CM7 port was done. Why can't this happen with the Charge?" The Fascinate was different. You had a couple of very talented dev's sticking with it for one. For two, there weren't so many new and exciting phones coming out. Sure, there was the TBolt that drew away some
dev's and teams, but now, you have the first ever Verizon Nexus Google based phone coming out and many other (quad core phones) technologically advanced phones on the horizon. What's the incentive to stick with this phone? More importantly than this, what can even be done with it right now? Not much. You couple this with the track record of there not being many touchwiz based Roms in the past to begin with and well.....you see what I mean.
I don't mean to be a downer. I just think this is realistic. I am in no way discounting what Gummy, Danalo, Imnuts and others have done. I appreciate their efforts with this phone but it seems clear to me that the majority of those efforts are over and have been for a while minus Danalos contributions.
Again, I'm sorry but I see this phone's development as virtually over with. I hope I'm wrong but I believe it enough that I'm leaving the phone soon as well.
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Imnuts is still actively working on this phone and just posted the newest Infiniti beta on twitter yesterday as well as continues to try and get gb kernel.source to work
Jt hasn't said he's stopped aosp work at all but ics source drew him back to the fascinate for awhile
And fwiw I'm thinking of picking up a charge of eBay or something after the.gnex drops cuz they all most likely bottom out in price... if that's the case then I'd work on it, or at least help imnuts maintain infinity
No bounty is going to bring developers to this phone, your best bet is to contact Rootzwiki and ask for more Charges to be given to developers. Of course, if jt gets the ril working for aosp, that will help bring interest from others. Its still a great phone, especially since the GB update.
As long as VZW keeps launching new/more phones it dilutes the developer pool even further. Unless you get the nexus, you are unlikely to have massive developer support. Gone are the days when the D1 and the Incredible were the only android phones on VZW....
On the other hand, the lack of seasoned developers has caused an increase in the # of ppl learning the basics and there is a new batch of developers-in-training. Don't be surprised to see more contributions from them in the near future.
A bounty will do nothing-developers do this for fun. They accept donations, but most do not wave around their collection buckets.
We have imnuts, Danalo, supercurio, aeroevan, and numerous themers. And maybe imoseyon too-although he doesn't have a charge anymore.
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My $10 still stands for ICS. Even if it won't speed up the process, I WANT to give it to whoever posts ICS first.
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Imnuts is still actively working on this phone and just posted the newest Infiniti beta on twitter yesterday as well as continues to try and get gb kernel.source to work
Jt hasn't said he's stopped aosp work at all but ics source drew him back to the fascinate for awhile
And fwiw I'm thinking of picking up a charge of eBay or something after the.gnex drops cuz they all most likely bottom out in price... if that's the case then I'd work on it, or at least help imnuts maintain infinity
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Well, that's good to hear. I'm glad some amount of development will continue.
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Since it's to hard for people to follow me on IRC/Twitter/Rootzwiki, and since releases in IRC aren't considered development work by some (sorry, my life is busy and IRC is easier/faster than forums), I posted here, just so everyone can enjoy, so knock yourself out.
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Since it's to hard for people to follow me on IRC/Twitter/Rootzwiki, and since releases in IRC aren't considered development work by some (sorry, my life is busy and IRC is easier/faster than forums), I posted here, just so everyone can enjoy, so knock yourself out.
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you spoil us dude lol
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Since it's to hard for people to follow me on IRC/Twitter/Rootzwiki, and since releases in IRC aren't considered development work by some (sorry, my life is busy and IRC is easier/faster than forums), I posted here, just so everyone can enjoy, so knock yourself out.
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Apparently, if it's not in front of their faces, it doesn't exist.
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Since it's to hard for people to follow me on IRC/Twitter/Rootzwiki, and since releases in IRC aren't considered development work by some (sorry, my life is busy and IRC is easier/faster than forums), I posted here, just so everyone can enjoy, so knock yourself out.
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It's not too hard at all to follow you on Twitter or Rootzwiki. I've frequented IRC in the past but didn't care for the experience. At any rate, maybe I've been under the wrong impression. I've always thought your IRC/Twitter releases were alpha or test releases. I've seen you comment in the past on Twitter when referring to your Infinity Rom that "here is such and such Rom but waiting for it to be tested before making it public" so I've always thought those releases were test releases. Since you've stopped posting Roms in the forums, my assumption was that either you weren't developing or your work wasn't ready for public use.
At any rate, thanks for your work man!
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I leave stuff in IRC mainly because it is faster for me, and the users there tend to be more experienced, so if there is an issue, they can usually figure it out for themselves. I don't want to post something that will have a hot boot or FC when you do something common with the device, and sometimes, the releases are a link and I'm off. Posting something on a forum brings in several hundred more users, many of which barely read anything in the topic or even the first post. I haven't had the time to even begin to troubleshoot, answer questions, or provide feedback really to people not in IRC, and even now my time is somewhat limited with the holidays.
How about adding a goggles + account I believe that would be much easier any way whatsoever is is urgent twitter so I can follow
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Watch the video (In case you havent seen it yet!). In it Matias Duarte explains how the Android team is beginning to try and create a cohesive and unified atmosphere with the os at the most basic levels. I for one, am absolutely thrilled to see that they are finally going to be paying attention to design and aesthetics. Usability of the platform can also benefit from this immensely.
I am also tired of people saying "ICS isnt all that special". It really doesnt matter how "special" you think it should be. What matters is that its the next iteration of the os. We all want to have our devices updated and current. So wanting this on our devices has less to do with design in this sense, and a lot more to do with jumping on the wagon of unification. I would greatly prefer beautiful apps and ease of use over anything Gingerbread has offered us so far. Now I already know that a lot of the visual benefits of ICS come mainly from theming and such, but its profoundly more exciting when the theming itself is coming from the creators of Android and not some hard-to-find source in the app market.
Lastly, I would appreciate it if you guys could give your thoughts on this. Are you excited to see the new direction the Android team along with Matias, are going in? Do you feel that they are focusing on some rather important points in the software (usability, framework, aesthetics) or not? And of course please keep the flaming and crude/rude comments to yourselves. Thanks all for listening to my rant.
~~Vince
Heres the new design guidelines site they have up.
tazbo28 said:
Watch the video (In case you havent seen it yet!). In it Matias Duarte explains how the Android team is beginning to try and create a cohesive and unified atmosphere with the os at the most basic levels. I for one, am absolutely thrilled to see that they are finally going to be paying attention to design and aesthetics. Usability of the platform can also benefit from this immensely.
I am also tired of people saying "ICS isnt all that special". It really doesnt matter how "special" you think it should be. What matters is that its the next iteration of the os. We all want to have our devices updated and current. So wanting this on our devices has less to do with design in this sense, and a lot more to do with jumping on the wagon of unification. I would greatly prefer beautiful apps and ease of use over anything Gingerbread has offered us so far. Now I already know that a lot of the visual benefits of ICS come mainly from theming and such, but its profoundly more exciting when the theming itself is coming from the creators of Android and not some hard-to-find source in the app market.
Lastly, I would appreciate it if you guys could give your thoughts on this. Are you excited to see the new direction the Android team along with Matias, are going in? Do you feel that they are focusing on some rather important points in the software (usability, framework, aesthetics) or not? And of course please keep the flaming and crude/rude comments to yourselves. Thanks all for listening to my rant.
~~Vince
Heres the new design guidelines site they have up.
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I can't deny that I would be overly excited if ICS came to this device, haha.
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Kevinr678 said:
I can't deny that I would be overly excited if ICS came to this device, haha.
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+1 internets I totally agree!
As nice as ICS's upgrade would be...it's not in Sammy's or AT&T interest
Sammy want's device sales and AT&T wants new/renewed contracts. By limiting ICS to 2012 devices, it provides incentive for 2010/2011 device owners to pony up for the new hotness with the new software.
Now before anyone wants to say, "WAIT WAIT, Apple..." save it. We're not talking about Apple here. Sammy is the OEM and they control what happens for the product line.
Sure you can wait for a dev to 'hopefully' get around to releasing an ICS port and yeah, it may be decent. That's your choice.
My upgrade plans begin in 2013 when ICS should have a few months in the wild and become more mature. By then all my smartphones will be eligible for upgrade discounts. I have no issue with AT&T's service as they allow me to keep my grandfathered unlimited data plan.
I'd rather have ICS when it's grown up and not so much a baby. Also, fully functional on my device too would be nice.
Interviewer is huge fan of Apple I can see
The main reason i want ics is so i can impress my friends lol. It also just has features that i just like better. Im not going to die without it, but it would be nice with it. Im sorry guys who have to wait for their contract, both my parents have their upgrades up and both are fine if they get my infuse, and i get the note.
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Interviewer is huge fan of Apple I can see
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Joshua Topolsky! My man! He was the senior editor at Engadget.com before leaving to start theverge.com. He actually left his Apple iPhone after the 3gs I think. He soon thereafter bought a Nexus One. Which I think he still uses to this day. And touts it every chance he gets. He does however praise apple for incitefull design and craftsmanship. I mean he is in a business (tech blogging) that is notorious for praising the behemoth company(not that this is a good thing) But trust you me when I say he isn't afraid to drop the hammer on Apple when he voices his gripes over their products. I would venture to say that most blogging sites require their employees to work on Macbooks now though. It seems to me that they would rather choose a totalitarian system like the Macs because they are less prone to buginess and viruses. And when your in an industry that thrives off of having secure data on close deadlines and less vulnerabilities, Macs (imo) just do it better. I dont use a mac, never have, I have had an Iphone 3g one time for a while. But will probably never go back. Unless I become rich or something. You do have to admire their design principles though both physically and software wise. When you compare Apple's aesthetics to Androids up till now, its just no-contest which is more cohesive and well thought out.
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So is Samsung.
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funny thing is I used to frequent a guitar forum and a well known member was a Samsung senior cdma systems engineer and his phone was an iPhone. that was before cdma iPhones existed so he was obviously on att which is big in texas. he didn't boast about apple too much nor Samsung, basically the only things I remember that stood out was he refuted the idea that the apple products have Good audio. said the newer apple products are not as good as the older ones and suffered from clipping (overdrive basically) and boasted the galaxy s in that area. but when it came down to it he was a fan of ios for the accessories and high quality audio software (garage band for the ipad) and got an ipad 2.
i always have an upgrade....(4 lines=leverage) .. but i will not purchase another phone until ICS is available, especially because of updates. i want the note..but if no ics pre-installed..i aint buying.. i almost went to verizon for the nexus but they dont have good coverage where i travel
ICS should be important to everyone. Even if only for the principle of it.
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Anyone currently working on ics?
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Anyone currently working on ics?
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yeah but they haven't posted progress so its anyone's guess as to what issues they are having. remember the people working on it have real lives and are doing it as a hobby. so i don't think anyone is working on it full time.
Yea of course. Its great to know it is being worked on. Anything is better than nothing!
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LinuxBozo still around? I had some questions for him..
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LinuxBozo still around? I had some questions for him..
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he drops in to a thread every once in a while especially the "all the devs jumped" threads. he was never that big on posting. I dunno if he answers pm's.
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he drops in to a thread every once in a while especially the "all the devs jumped" threads. he was never that big on posting. I dunno if he answers pm's.
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Yes, he does. I've spoke with him before. I was just hoping he hadn't jumped ship.
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Yes, he does. I've spoke with him before. I was just hoping he hadn't jumped ship.
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I don't think so. I know at one time he said he didn't like change.... whether he'll post work after his ics thread got trolled on I don't know.
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Yes, he does. I've spoke with him before. I was just hoping he hadn't jumped ship.
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He will probably answer in this thread lol but he is. One of the leads with the infuse cm7 team. He has been busy with other stuff though (carpantry). He is around. Ics will come someday hopefully...
even though some people will drop their Infuse's this Spring, Im really hoping some devs will still try to bring over ICS for the people who want to feel out the year on devices. I wish I wasnt so disorganized, otherwise i might actually have the capacity to learn how to develop. =/
I would personally like jin1337 unbanned. Noone is left to work on this device and scripts all come from another source script anyways. You let reviewers come back and he was notorious for kanging, and he didn't hardly anywork when he came back anyway. He got us a new modem and asked somebody for permission to "manage" someone elses rom. I valued him better then reviewers because he is more mature. SO ANYONE ELSE WHO WANT JIN1337 UNBANNED POST HERE AS WELL
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I would personally like jin1337 unbanned. Noone is left to work on this device and scripts all come from another source script anyways. You let reviewers come back and he was notorious for kanging, and he didn't hardly anywork when he came back anyway. He got us a new modem and asked somebody for permission to "manage" someone elses rom. I valued him better then reviewers because he is more mature. SO ANYONE ELSE WHO WANT JIN1337 UNBANNED POST HERE AS WELL
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Actually Myself and Reviewers will be co authoring a ROM for the SK4G using my newest scripts, tweaks and other goodies. JiN is completely useless. He had no clue what he was doing in terms of rom tweaks. When He gave me the build.prop to his rom I started laughing. He added the same set of tweaks two or three times but all were set to different values. He even had double set of scripts. This kid had no clue what he was doing AT ALL. Plus he was a kanger from hell. I promise quality work and ACTUAL speed and performance gains across the board.
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I'm not going to even comment it's not worth getting in trouble.
He did 1 ROM.
I did GenericGinger I'm a maintainer He was a Helper.
I released the Blaze 4G Modem and tons of ROM's.
Neither you or reviewers actually owns the device so I don't see how you guys plan on making brand new roms without "kanging" yourselfs. I still want jin back since he was a good active here. I think it is unfair that people without the device get to get people banned for no reason. And like I said befor your little buddy reviewers was a knager from hell too especially when I first got here... so I mean if they don't unban jin they should atleast reban reviewers
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I have the Sidekick 4G what are you talking about man?
I always had a Sidekick 4G.
I was never a kanger I got a infraction for kanging because I forgot to add credit once hence the infraction you usually get banned.
This wasn't a thread to start arguing if you don't want jin back please don't post anymore.
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I'm not fighting he was cool.
I'm not saying I don't want him back though.
I can pickup a sk4g from craigslist for 40 bucks if i need to. These phone are dirt cheap. JiN isnt coming back and amount of petitions is gonna fix the situation here. Most of you have no idea what a script does anyhow so saying taking a script isnt techincally kanging is totally false. Reviewers has mad mistakes in the past im sure of it. But I am not going to kang anyones work to make my own. All my copyrighted scripts where made from scratch. No one helped me with my scripts. So if you guys do not want a rom then so long. I just thought I would help further development of android is all. Also If you guy didnt know I do not and will not take donations AT ALL. Just a little Fyi.
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Most of you have no idea what a script does anyhow
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Not just scripts, and I will speak for myself, am oblivious of almost anything about developing. I think that is why everyone was so reluctant to have Jin here putting **** out, but not many of us knew what he was doing, and apparently neither did he.
Its been really sad for a lot of us to get totally ignored with this device and be stuck on froyo in the ICS age. I feel like I speak for everyone when I say we will appreciate almost anything that anyone can put out. I also think everyone needs to get over when people are rude, like seriously, it's an internet forum, there is no need for everyone to be polite and wipe your butt for you, though I know some people can go completely out of line.
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All in all, if jun was really stealing Re's ****, then he deserved the ban.
Again if you don't want jin back you can stay away from this post thank you that is all
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yeah, i agree. get jin back here. we pm find out what is plm with rom. unlikely other dev never respond through pm... noob become pro.
I was stunned by how badly the JiN situation was handled, including by the moderator. I know it's just an online forum, but I had come to expect more reasonable behavior.
A year ago it was Revolution, now known as Reviewers, who was being treated badly as a novice developer. I thought it was BS then, but I didn't speak up. I wish I had. I would think he would recognize the similarities and stand up for JiN a little bit.
Personally I wish it would be more about advancing the device, and building a knowledge base, less about power and retribution. We have so few developers on this platform, and everyone has to learn as they go along.
While it was against a strict interpretation of XDA's rules for JiN to use the scripts without obtaining permission first, ReactiveDisorder could have been big about it and given his blessing. It was a minor newbie mistake that didn't need to trigger a personality meltdown.
So yeah, I think JiN should be unbanned. I think he should apologize to ReactiveDisorder (even if he has already) for his inconsiderate mistake, and ReactiveDisorder should be happy, and not huff and puff about patents and lawsuits, unless he's angling for a gig at Oracle.
I say give him another chance when he shows that he can be trusted. Devs are supposed to be a team, or at least that's how I see it. I would love to load my first Android phone with the new hotness.
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LOL I'm sorry, the only person that handled this badly was jin. Look at his posts effectively saying that he did not care about asking for permission and was prepared to make multiple accounts to repost someone else's work. That was before a moderator was even involved.
He was given the chance to address the issue properly, usually in such a case his thread would have been closed instantly and all links removed however he was actually given a grace period to correct his mistake. He threw that back in my face by attempting to skirt around the rules by distributing links via pm.
He would have been back before long and free to continue developing if it weren't for his own decision to instantly create another account despite being told not to.
The only person you have to blame for him not being here is jin himself.
A petition has absolutely no bearing on somebody being unbanned whether it contains ten or ten thousand names, that's just not how things work.
There are also other factors that you aren't aware so I suggest that you reconsider you assessment of how this was handled.
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The community even wants him back. So your right I do have a lot to consider. Like which forum ill be moving to as I'm certainly not staying here. You single handedly killed a device because of script infringement? Good to see the so called community works together to help advance. I feel that people are playing favorites here as I have not heard a single good reason why jin was banned. He stole so and so's script. Do you guys actually think only one single person stumbled upon a single script? Or could it be someone else found it as well? Also reactive gave permission to use the alleged script in question in gingerclone which jin had a much bigger involvment in then the other members. Of course every post from gingerclone has been deleted but reviewers did post in there giving permission for everyone to use as a base. So technically if consent from reactive is needed for ini scripts... reviewers should be infractured for giving away someone else's work. Some of you may be wondering where that post is reviewers wrote, it has since been removed by him or a mod, (someone was protecting their own butt) i just think that somewhere else (where the mods dont just ban people because only one person in the world could figure out some ini tweaks) may suit the sidekick 4gs needs better. The only reason jin was banned because he stood up for what android is all about, opensource. He failed to comply? To who a forum nazi who had nothing better to do except make requests of removal of ini tweaks? I really dont understand how its a developement community if were not all working together. @reactive and reviewers, id rather have no development then you guys at this point. So know im not looking forward to your rom.
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The community even wants him back. So your right I do have a lot to consider. Like which forum ill be moving to as I'm certainly not staying here. You single handedly killed a device because of script infringement? Good to see the so called community works together to help advance. I feel that people are playing favorites here as I have not heard a single good reason why jin was banned. He stole so and so's script. Do you guys actually think only one single person stumbled upon a single script? Or could it be someone else found it as well? Also reactive gave permission to use the alleged script in question in gingerclone which jin had a much bigger involvment in then the other members. Of course every post from gingerclone has been deleted but reviewers did post in there giving permission for everyone to use as a base. So technically if consent from reactive is needed for ini scripts... reviewers should be infractured for giving away someone else's work. Some of you may be wondering where that post is reviewers wrote, it has since been removed by him or a mod, (someone was protecting their own butt) i just think that somewhere else (where the mods dont just ban people because only one person in the world could figure out some ini tweaks) may suit the sidekick 4gs needs better. The only reason jin was banned because he stood up for what android is all about, opensource. He failed to comply? To who a forum nazi who had nothing better to do except make requests of removal of ini tweaks? I really dont understand how its a developement community if were not all working together. @reactive and reviewers, id rather have no development then you guys at this point. So know im not looking forward to your rom.
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Reviewers has my written permission to use ALL my scripts. Ive been helping him along. I plan on helping him with other things like deodexing, building from source, etc etc...I jumped the gun being harsh on reviewers in the past. He has given me proper credit for every ive helped him with. That is all I wanted....Ask permission....Give credit....Done?? JiN never even asked me. He just said F**k it and stole my 6 scripts. Those 6 scripts added 300-400 points on quadrent testing for everyone info. So my "Simple Scripts" did ALOT.
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Yes I don't believe you are understanding what I'm saying reviewers gave everbody on the internet to use generic ginger as a base. Your scripts were included in genericginger. What are people supposed to remove your scripts from base builds? I think not I think if you didn't want people using your scripts you shouldn't have put them in a rom that people are allowed to use as a base. Fair IS fair after all
And if you dont believe me just ask a mod to check the deleted posts in generic ginger. He gave out permission to use the rom as a base and your sscripts were in it so if your mad at anybody it should be reviewers for giving everyone permission to use your work
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Jin did not handle it badly until the end. Yes, he was a fool to say "I will keep kanging and distribute through other methods" to the mods. For that he did deserve to get banned. However, reviewers and reactive were acting like children publicly long before he did (I have no idea what happened in private between you 3 obviously).
I want him back though! Why? Because I am using his IceBlaze 4.5, and it is hands down THE BEST rom I have ever used on this phone. I want IceBlaze 4.6 and I want him to keep working on future versions. I am a developer at about his level (not a real dev, but can grab the best **** out there and stick it in one nice little package for release). Problem is, I don't have the time for it, so it is so awesome that he appeared and made something awesome for my phone that I would never get around to doing myself. ...and so ****ty that he is now gone because some dude "higher-up" has a god complex and thinks it is even possible to copywrite a script.
I have tried BasicGinger 3.8, 3.7, 4.1 and the unreleased 4.2 hosted on the same site as 4.1. None of them worked for calling a number. Process phone would FC and drop my call. I mentioned this multiple times, but they were all too busy arguing like school kids to help me out.
I have not tried Hewett's rom because to me all the top icons are ugly.
I tried all rev's ROMs months ago too, but none of them were as stable, pretty, and fast as GOv2.
So my options are:
1) Go back to GOv2.
2) Stick with IceBlaze 4.1 (fastest, most-stable, fully working ROM)
3) Try to get IceBlaze 4.2 (YES! Please unban Jin, at least long enough that I can give him my email )
If Reviewers / ReActive think I don't deserve to test his IceBlaze because he stole if from them (with giving credits mind you!), then where the heck does that leave me, the user?
My turn on the playground:
F*** Y** guys! Anything I can put on my phone, anything I can put on my computer, anything I can see or hear... I can save, modify, and re-distribute it to anyone and everyone on earth. That is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT!!! No RIAA, MPAA, US-DOJ, or XDA will ever convince me otherwise. Yes, I am a coder/developer by profession, and yes I DO NOT believe in copywrite, patents, or IP (intellectual property is an oxymoron, you cannot own intellect!)
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Yes I don't believe you are understanding what I'm saying reviewers gave everbody on the internet to use generic ginger as a base. Your scripts were included in genericginger. What are people supposed to remove your scripts from base builds? I think not I think if you didn't want people using your scripts you shouldn't have put them in a rom that people are allowed to use as a base. Fair IS fair after all
And if you dont believe me just ask a mod to check the deleted posts in generic ginger. He gave out permission to use the rom as a base and your sscripts were in it so if your mad at anybody it should be reviewers for giving everyone permission to use your work
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Damn good point. I thanked him for doing it at the time.
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Yes I don't believe you are understanding what I'm saying reviewers gave everbody on the internet to use generic ginger as a base. Your scripts were included in genericginger. What are people supposed to remove your scripts from base builds? I think not I think if you didn't want people using your scripts you shouldn't have put them in a rom that people are allowed to use as a base. Fair IS fair after all
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XDA's policy with regard to use and attribution seems simple on its surface, but the truth is it's a murky issue.
Reviewers had accepted JiN's cooperation on GenericGinger, so it seems to me JiN had both implicit and explicit permission to use the contents of the ROM.
ReActiveDisorder apparently offered his scripts for inclusion to the ROM. Perhaps he put clear limits on further use of the scripts at that time, perhaps not. As far as I can tell any such restriction was not made clear publicly, at first.
As a publicly acknowledged maintainer of GenericGinger, JiN felt justified in re-using the contents of the ROM as a base, complying with Reviewers' explicitly announced terms. ReActiveDisorder felt he had not given permission for this use, even though he had contributed his scripts to a ROM already made free by its initial poster. Here I think ReActive erred -- if he wanted to keep his scripts closed, he shouldn't have contributed them to a ROM already made free.
ReActiveDisorder then made horrid ugly noises, then JiN made horrid ugly noises, then the moderator appeared and took a side. JiN mouthed off in response to the moderator, got banned, worked around it, and here we are.
It's the anatomy of a bad call. JiN is out because he failed to respect conantroutman's verdict, and yes, subsequently reacted badly. And no, conantroutman, I don't think anyone seriously thinks a moderator's decisions would be influenced by member opinions now that it has all played out. But that doesn't mean it was a good call on the initial merits.
ReActiveDisorder, you should know that while you can copyright the exact contents of your scripts, you can't copyright a series of settings made against someone else's API. Anyone could simply look at what you did and re-implement more or less the same result, without infringing on your copyright. And the prospect of obtaining a software patent on a series of Android kernel and userland settings is absurd on its face.
And who among us has obtained personal permission from, or even given credit to, all the thousands of contributors to the Linux kernel, the AOSP project, any of the constituent software (sqlite, busybox, Samsung engineers, the list goes on) in the course of releasing a ROM? So the credit and permission rule is applied either arbitrarily, or selectively.
Personally, I think all sides of the dispute acted badly, and JiN got the axe because he sassed a moderator. Way to go, guys.
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Actually Myself and Reviewers will be co authoring a ROM for the SK4G using my newest scripts, tweaks and other goodies. JiN is completely useless. He had no clue what he was doing in terms of rom tweaks. When He gave me the build.prop to his rom I started laughing. He added the same set of tweaks two or three times but all were set to different values. He even had double set of scripts. This kid had no clue what he was doing AT ALL. Plus he was a kanger from hell. I promise quality work and ACTUAL speed and performance gains across the board.
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All I know is, his ROM works faster then GOv2 with more free memory. I sincerely hope you can do better if what you say is correct, so I look forward to seeing that. Shame we are left hanging in the mean time when a "dumb kid" was willing and able to give us IceBlaze NOW.
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I'm not going to even comment it's not worth getting in trouble.
He did 1 ROM.
I did GenericGinger I'm a maintainer He was a Helper.
I released the Blaze 4G Modem and tons of ROM's.
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All I know is, your older roms were slower and less stable then GOv2. GenericGinger was just as awesomely fast as IceBlaze, but it could not dial a phone number!