I want to make sure I'm understanding what's all been going on here the past few days:
A dev releases an alpha radio to the community, along with all the usual disclaimers, etc. (Name not used to protect the innocent).
People start flashing this new "alpha" radio.
Some people start to experience very odd issues which does not allow them to even get back to a stock state (like what worked with every other type of phone).
The dev becomes a little concerned - Since the dev released the radio to the community, he feels it is his duty to inform people that it may be a good idea to revert back to a non "alpha" radio release, because this alpha release may make you not be able to use your phone anymore - again this is an "alpha" release, so no telling what could be causing the issue, but since he is a respected member of the dev community, his reputation may be at stake. So he posts here on XDA.
Next thing you know...Pitchforks and torches.
Go figure.
There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
Agree, JCase has had too long of a history being supportive and on the right side of the line and in this community to be at some fault. **** happens and accidents are unpredictable for a reason. Anyone that tries to roast him doesn't appreciate the work and effort these guys spend making our devices a little bit closer to heaven.
At least he warned us before 90% of the community had bricked phones.
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There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
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Id say more like 1 in a few hundred, or even thousand, but agreed. Devs are doing a great job.
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Ya, it still amazes me that people are getting all mad and "demand" to know what, why , who, where, how, when, etc.
I'm just glad there are devs out there who can provide solutions, so that I don't have to try and create my own.
The Dev's Rock!
Yeah people need to understand the inherent risks in flashing things to their phones, even more so when its clearly stated that the leaked GB radio was an ALPHA release.
I have nothing but respect for devs who work hard to make our phones even better than what they already are.
Thanks!!!!
jcase is not to blame... it is the modders who run alpha software knowing it may brick their phones then they have to get mad at someone... rather than looking in the mirror.
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Yah I agree I mean isn't the whole rooting, custom rom an "at your own risk" anyway.. I don't get it but goes with half the crap going on these days.. No self responsibility. You flashed it you risked it..! WTF
I would really like to know why, I'm not asking for it though. I am just curious. Really I just want gb to be working safely again.
Jcase and the others have done nothing but provide excellent updates, service and everything else. I am truly impressed by their level of commitment. As others have mentioned in other threads... People get paid decent cash to do what jcase does for free. Thank you, truly.
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Well, he's got a big ego, that matches his reputation. Some people are irritated by that. But no matter what you think of him personally, he's given a lot to the bolt community and that should be respected.
I thought there were some people on here with childish attitudes. I finally realized why...some of them are....Some are younger than my own kids.
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Is Jcase really taking heat? I mean, come on people, we know going in that we can gank our phones by flashing unapproved stuff on them. We brick, we only have ourselves to blame, simple as that. I for one applaud Jcase for alerting us so quickly to the problem.
What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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The haters of jcase are using this as a reason to hate on him. Not saying it's justified, just where it comes from.
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Right. IMO, if anyone complains about a bricked device, they should be banned. The minute you root your device, the responsibility for bricking lies with you.
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"Innocent " not guilty of crime or offense. These devs keep on giving so much to us and this is how we try to repay them by persecution ,instead of the being " behind you " approach we should stand side by side with them, and after all we all practice freewill by flashing.
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Some people are stupid. Simple as that.
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I never knew who JCase was before the Thunderbolt, but I have to say he is a pretty cool dood, and it is awesome to see Devs getting leaks like he does. Never saw any of this with the Evo 4G. We never got to have new radios/roms of new firmware versions until after then had been out a week or two and devs had gotten a hold of them. Here we have them weeks if not months in advance, and I applaud him, and other devs for that.
And just think, they do this all without expecting anything.
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I haven't really been following the story, so I didn't know a dev was taking heat. Lame. Had my phone ended up bricked, I'd blame myself.
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Hi, I'm an Incredible S owner but I thought I'd cross-post this here since it applies to the Desire S as well.
There's a new online petition to protest HTC's decision to introduce signed bootloaders that prevent rooting and the use of custom ROMs on their phones. It's on a website called Groubal which takes customer complaints directly to companies if a petition gets enough signatures.
If like me (and most of us on the IS forum!) you want to see HTC's decision to lock down all their new phone firmware reversed, please go to this page and sign. Maybe if there are enough of us, HTC will be forced to listen.
Thanks for your time!
i signed but well, you really think htc is caring about that partition?
they give a f*** for those low % of persons wanting open bootloaders
Really? I mean, come on really?
I'll sign but these never do any good. The only thing companies a big as HTC respond to is money. If enough of us switch to Samsung and LG maybe they'll listen. Problem is Im still buying Evo 3D as their is a glimmer of hope that it will be unlocked or hacked. If its not within the first 30 days its going back.
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IS is obviously Incredible S, piece it together before you post insulting comments
I figured it out about 2 seconds after I posted but looks like you already read it. Definitely wasn't insulting though and IS is not obvious. Never heard it refered to as IS only Inc S. Internet and their damn acronyms for everything!
To me it seemed like it should of read "If you're like me (and most of us on the forum ARE) "
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I figured it out about 2 seconds after I posted but looks like you already read it. Definitely wasn't insulting though and IS is not obvious. Never heard it refered to as IS only Inc S. Internet and their damn acronyms for everything!
To me it seemed like it should of read "If you're like me (and most of us on the forum ARE) "
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Apologies for any confusion, I wrote it in a bit of a hurry! As long as you got the gist of it, that's the main thing.
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I'll sign but these never do any good. The only thing companies a big as HTC respond to is money. If enough of us switch to Samsung and LG maybe they'll listen. Problem is Im still buying Evo 3D as their is a glimmer of hope that it will be unlocked or hacked. If its not within the first 30 days its going back.
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This partly true. HTC have been a long way short after the HD2 (clearly ahead of the market), but now with the Sensation they have a chance to capture the high end consumers again.
We are another segment of consumers and a small one at that; if we don't buy HTC phones then I doubt it would make a big enough dent in their revenue to matter. BUT in my opinion we are a group at the forefront of having the most strict requirements. Those that push the boundaries of these phones, critiquing ever bit of software/hardware far more than the average consumer. If we were listened too a bit more HTC might realise that we hack and root our phones because we know they have the potential to be better, a potential that HTC need to realise to beat the likes of Samsung (who are improving on their software and at this rate will soon offer consistently better phones than HTC).
We should be embraced, not excluded.
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I figured it out about 2 seconds after I posted but looks like you already read it. Definitely wasn't insulting though and IS is not obvious. Never heard it refered to as IS only Inc S. Internet and their damn acronyms for everything!
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As a non-native speaker I hate acronyms too, and if you didn't mean that in an insulting way, my apologies ...you know what they say...think before ink
PS: to me it was obvious especially after pointing out he's from Incredible S forum...plus Desire S is often reffered to as a DS
But I think HTC will never listen to petitions like this... sadly... (but I signed it nonetheless )
Just signed it, although the chance of HTC to reconsider unlocked bootloader is very slim. Hopefully their sales will be affected by this poor decision.
These companies don't care about petitions. They only follow their agendas.
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Never give up trying...
Don't know how much this will help, but signed the petition.
i will sign just for the cause.
its a no win answer for HTC. if they claim only a small percentage of users root and that this wont effect sales, then why spend the money to lock their bootloaders if such a low percentage of users even root anyway? seems like a waste of resources and money if virtually nobody roots.
and if a high percentage of users DO root, then why lock their bootloaders since that would indicate those users buy HTC specifically for the rooting abilities.
either reason HTC uses as an excuse, it goes into the makes no sense answer response.
Watch the video (In case you havent seen it yet!). In it Matias Duarte explains how the Android team is beginning to try and create a cohesive and unified atmosphere with the os at the most basic levels. I for one, am absolutely thrilled to see that they are finally going to be paying attention to design and aesthetics. Usability of the platform can also benefit from this immensely.
I am also tired of people saying "ICS isnt all that special". It really doesnt matter how "special" you think it should be. What matters is that its the next iteration of the os. We all want to have our devices updated and current. So wanting this on our devices has less to do with design in this sense, and a lot more to do with jumping on the wagon of unification. I would greatly prefer beautiful apps and ease of use over anything Gingerbread has offered us so far. Now I already know that a lot of the visual benefits of ICS come mainly from theming and such, but its profoundly more exciting when the theming itself is coming from the creators of Android and not some hard-to-find source in the app market.
Lastly, I would appreciate it if you guys could give your thoughts on this. Are you excited to see the new direction the Android team along with Matias, are going in? Do you feel that they are focusing on some rather important points in the software (usability, framework, aesthetics) or not? And of course please keep the flaming and crude/rude comments to yourselves. Thanks all for listening to my rant.
~~Vince
Heres the new design guidelines site they have up.
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Watch the video (In case you havent seen it yet!). In it Matias Duarte explains how the Android team is beginning to try and create a cohesive and unified atmosphere with the os at the most basic levels. I for one, am absolutely thrilled to see that they are finally going to be paying attention to design and aesthetics. Usability of the platform can also benefit from this immensely.
I am also tired of people saying "ICS isnt all that special". It really doesnt matter how "special" you think it should be. What matters is that its the next iteration of the os. We all want to have our devices updated and current. So wanting this on our devices has less to do with design in this sense, and a lot more to do with jumping on the wagon of unification. I would greatly prefer beautiful apps and ease of use over anything Gingerbread has offered us so far. Now I already know that a lot of the visual benefits of ICS come mainly from theming and such, but its profoundly more exciting when the theming itself is coming from the creators of Android and not some hard-to-find source in the app market.
Lastly, I would appreciate it if you guys could give your thoughts on this. Are you excited to see the new direction the Android team along with Matias, are going in? Do you feel that they are focusing on some rather important points in the software (usability, framework, aesthetics) or not? And of course please keep the flaming and crude/rude comments to yourselves. Thanks all for listening to my rant.
~~Vince
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I can't deny that I would be overly excited if ICS came to this device, haha.
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I can't deny that I would be overly excited if ICS came to this device, haha.
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+1 internets I totally agree!
As nice as ICS's upgrade would be...it's not in Sammy's or AT&T interest
Sammy want's device sales and AT&T wants new/renewed contracts. By limiting ICS to 2012 devices, it provides incentive for 2010/2011 device owners to pony up for the new hotness with the new software.
Now before anyone wants to say, "WAIT WAIT, Apple..." save it. We're not talking about Apple here. Sammy is the OEM and they control what happens for the product line.
Sure you can wait for a dev to 'hopefully' get around to releasing an ICS port and yeah, it may be decent. That's your choice.
My upgrade plans begin in 2013 when ICS should have a few months in the wild and become more mature. By then all my smartphones will be eligible for upgrade discounts. I have no issue with AT&T's service as they allow me to keep my grandfathered unlimited data plan.
I'd rather have ICS when it's grown up and not so much a baby. Also, fully functional on my device too would be nice.
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The main reason i want ics is so i can impress my friends lol. It also just has features that i just like better. Im not going to die without it, but it would be nice with it. Im sorry guys who have to wait for their contract, both my parents have their upgrades up and both are fine if they get my infuse, and i get the note.
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Joshua Topolsky! My man! He was the senior editor at Engadget.com before leaving to start theverge.com. He actually left his Apple iPhone after the 3gs I think. He soon thereafter bought a Nexus One. Which I think he still uses to this day. And touts it every chance he gets. He does however praise apple for incitefull design and craftsmanship. I mean he is in a business (tech blogging) that is notorious for praising the behemoth company(not that this is a good thing) But trust you me when I say he isn't afraid to drop the hammer on Apple when he voices his gripes over their products. I would venture to say that most blogging sites require their employees to work on Macbooks now though. It seems to me that they would rather choose a totalitarian system like the Macs because they are less prone to buginess and viruses. And when your in an industry that thrives off of having secure data on close deadlines and less vulnerabilities, Macs (imo) just do it better. I dont use a mac, never have, I have had an Iphone 3g one time for a while. But will probably never go back. Unless I become rich or something. You do have to admire their design principles though both physically and software wise. When you compare Apple's aesthetics to Androids up till now, its just no-contest which is more cohesive and well thought out.
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So is Samsung.
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funny thing is I used to frequent a guitar forum and a well known member was a Samsung senior cdma systems engineer and his phone was an iPhone. that was before cdma iPhones existed so he was obviously on att which is big in texas. he didn't boast about apple too much nor Samsung, basically the only things I remember that stood out was he refuted the idea that the apple products have Good audio. said the newer apple products are not as good as the older ones and suffered from clipping (overdrive basically) and boasted the galaxy s in that area. but when it came down to it he was a fan of ios for the accessories and high quality audio software (garage band for the ipad) and got an ipad 2.
i always have an upgrade....(4 lines=leverage) .. but i will not purchase another phone until ICS is available, especially because of updates. i want the note..but if no ics pre-installed..i aint buying.. i almost went to verizon for the nexus but they dont have good coverage where i travel
ICS should be important to everyone. Even if only for the principle of it.
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Anyone currently working on ics?
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Anyone currently working on ics?
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yeah but they haven't posted progress so its anyone's guess as to what issues they are having. remember the people working on it have real lives and are doing it as a hobby. so i don't think anyone is working on it full time.
Yea of course. Its great to know it is being worked on. Anything is better than nothing!
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LinuxBozo still around? I had some questions for him..
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LinuxBozo still around? I had some questions for him..
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he drops in to a thread every once in a while especially the "all the devs jumped" threads. he was never that big on posting. I dunno if he answers pm's.
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he drops in to a thread every once in a while especially the "all the devs jumped" threads. he was never that big on posting. I dunno if he answers pm's.
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Yes, he does. I've spoke with him before. I was just hoping he hadn't jumped ship.
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Yes, he does. I've spoke with him before. I was just hoping he hadn't jumped ship.
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I don't think so. I know at one time he said he didn't like change.... whether he'll post work after his ics thread got trolled on I don't know.
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Yes, he does. I've spoke with him before. I was just hoping he hadn't jumped ship.
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He will probably answer in this thread lol but he is. One of the leads with the infuse cm7 team. He has been busy with other stuff though (carpantry). He is around. Ics will come someday hopefully...
even though some people will drop their Infuse's this Spring, Im really hoping some devs will still try to bring over ICS for the people who want to feel out the year on devices. I wish I wasnt so disorganized, otherwise i might actually have the capacity to learn how to develop. =/
First off, my intent is no to flame or enflame, but rather an expression of desired continuity. Seanzscreams SkyIce has been lock with thousands upon thousands of user of his rom swinging in the wind. This is supposedly over the "illegal" use of the dropbox.apk being used from a port of the SG3. What I am not understanding is that 4-5 months ago, a similar hack was used with the box.apk ported from the nexus. This was never locked or removed. In fact, it was touted in the portal itself. I am having a problem seeing a difference in the two situations. If this were just a case of cleaning all the flamers, that would be anoter thing because it gets bad, and I hate to see that myself. But, it is not just that. Again, I am looking to cause no uproar, but voice my concern over this. I have to. If I felt I could not do at least that here, than the forum would feel like being stuck in iOS. Limited, stifled and voiceless. I cant stand the thought of XDA feeling like that to me after four years of being here. Thank-you for your understanding on the nature of this post. Respect to mods, respect to devs, and respect to fellow users.
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In before lock! :silly:
Its prob not the apk its self but what he got in return for including into rom. Not that I have anything against it, I mean hell he spends a lot of time for us the users. He should get something.
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I truly hope it does not get locked. There is never anything wrong with a place to respectfully and diplomatically voice concerns and/or thoughts on such a topic. I choose to never flame or stifle anyone, and always welcome respectful opposition to my point of view. Hell, i am use to being told im wrong. Ive been married twice, lol.
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Its prob not the apk its self but what he got in return for including into rom. Not that I have anything against it, I mean hell he spends a lot of time for us the users. He should get something. Thank-you for your input on this cha0dsm. The more info, the better.
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I was not aware of him getting anything for including it. Bit if that is the situation, then point well taken. Whether that .apk is present or not, he will still be on my donate to list. His roms have made my phone so much more enjoyable than I could have imagined. Funny thing is, I never got the extra space with that .apk. But to be fair, I never use dropbox either.
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Hell, i am use to being told im wrong. Ive been married twice, lol.
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Haha great! You said it!:laugh:
Us types may just be the silent minority but we know our place!
And I'll add to it, it's not just the wives, but the kids sure like to show us it too sometimes. Makes a man humble.
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I would hate to lose such a prolific Dev to this. I see the value in, XDA protecting itself, from perceived illegal activity, I see no issue with locking the threads until figured out. I would rather lose a Rom than this wonderful site.
Here's to SeanZ quick fix and re-upload of a new version of SkyICS 4.2F without the offending apk.
Thank you Seanz and XDA, both, for what you give us.
I'm assuming there is some back-channel dialog with Sean, and hopefully all ends well with new version(s) of the ROMs without the dropbox.apk.
That said, this is kind of an interesting line to walk, given how much of the activity (and value) of xda relates to all sorts of leaked, back-ported, or re-distributed software. When a leaked ROM is posted, or pieces of a ROM cross-ported & posted, for example, is it always clear which pieces are "okay" and which are "TOS violations?"
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I would hate to lose such a prolific Dev to this. I see the value in, XDA protecting itself, from perceived illegal activity, I see no issue with locking the threads until figured out. I would rather lose a Rom than this wonderful site.
Here's to SeanZ quick fix and re-upload of a new version of SkyICS 4.2F without the offending apk.
Thank you Seanz and XDA, both, for what you give us.
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While I may still have a few concerns, I completely understand your stance. I love this community, which was the motivation for writing the Op. I also absolutely love the Roms that Sean provides for us. His work and dedication for us, as a community, is simply amazing. I have an immense amount of respect and gratitude for the man. As far as the Mod who locked the threads, I have never noticed anything truly "unfair" or "demeaning" by them, either. Even warning posts are courteous and respectful. So, I cant complain there. Heres to hoping that this amazing dev and the officiating mod/mods get this cleared up in a timely and mutually beneficial manner, so we can all resume our enjoyment of Seans brilliant roms within this great community.
I've been on other thread for other devices when the links get pulled. The talk was the OP was told/PMed in advance, of the infraction. thus giving the OP an opportunity to fix, I'm not saying this happen this time. I believe the Mods are on the up and up and want the treads to continue with out any issues. I would imagine that their is often behind the scenes warnings.
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Since skyics got closed for using dropbox.apk wouldn't the leaked roms be considered the same thing? It has apk files from the carriers in them that might have been updated and not released yet. I am just wondering how that works? I don't want to get in trouble for using something I'm not suppose to,
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Since skyics got closed for using dropbox.apk wouldn't the leaked roms be considered the same thing? It has apk files from the carriers in them that might have been updated and not released yet. I am just wondering how that works? I don't want to get in trouble for using something I'm not suppose to,
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I think it is more of an issue of it being on a device in which it was not meant for, and as a direct result, getting something (50Gb) that you were not otherwise able to get. If it was just a regular Dropbox.apk, it would be no big deal. The extra 50Gb promotion added to it is where the issue lies. It is a very slippery slope, though. In an open source dev community, I suppose it could be argued either way. It will come down to basic rules and judgement on a case by case basis, most likely. Like I said in the op, the same occurance with the Box.apk 50Gb promotion ported from the Nexus was never questioned, so I guess it can be labeled as a grey area and go either way.
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Thank you for clearing that up. I just didn't want to get in any trouble if the other apk files were illegal.
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I think it is more of an issue of it being on a device in which it was not meant for, and as a direct result, getting something (50Gb) that you were not otherwise able to get. If it was just a regular Dropbox.apk, it would be no big deal. The extra 50Gb promotion added to it is where the issue lies. It is a very slippery slope, though. In an open source dev community, I suppose it could be argued either way. It will come down to basic rules and judgement on a case by case basis, most likely. Like I said in the op, the same occurance with the Box.apk 50Gb promotion ported from the Nexus was never questioned, so I guess it can be labeled as a grey area and go either way.
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This can definitely be argued either way... all of the "leaked" ICS roms can be considered stolen, as they are not "official" releases.
I think what's bothering me the most is that in the 4 months I've had my skyrocket, I honestly can't remember any involvement from a Mod, and now threads are locked everywhere. Makes ya scratch your head. (I don't say this to flame, it's just odd seeing a one-day heavy cleanup. To add to that... Sean has had drop box in his from for 2 weeks... why now?)
Edited: cause fat thumbs sumbited before I was ready! Lol!
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If it turns out the the folks at Dropbox are behind this, I will move to another cloud storage solution and close my Dropbox account.
There are too many other options available.
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The issue is DropBox is a paid service, any free exploit is illegal.
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The issue is DropBox is a paid service, any free exploit is illegal.
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Yes, it could very well be that Dropbox is forcing the hand of XDA on this one. In that case, XDA would indeed have to protect itself. I would imagine that Sean will have the opportunity to "clean" and re-release his rom. Otherwise, the threads would have been simply deleted. Just my opinion, though.
Since the 4.2F thread is back open, thanks to Sean and the mods for their fast work in getting things resolved. Back to Sky-Ics Bliss.
I am willing to give a reward of a bonafide Windows 8 Pro x86/x64 retail license to the person who successfully solves the problem of getting the G2X Qualcomm mdm6600 radio/modem fully working with the CM10.1 or stock LG ICS kernel or the kernel that is being worked on by AdamPK, Mazout360, etc. If I determine that more than one person has made a significant contribution to achieving that, I will give the same reward to them too. But, before I make that official, I want opinions about doing that.
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The code required to achieve success must be fully documented and publicly available to enable others to use it successfully too.
UPDATE
The poll ended overwhelmingly in favour of me rewarding development which gets the Qualcomm mdm6600 modem/radio working fully with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel.
There's no expectation or obligation of anyone to accept the reward of a bonafide Windows 8 Pro x86/x64 license for accomplishing the development goal.
The reward will be awarded after the goal is accomplished which is proven by the full/complete operation of the G2X and its Qualcomm mdm6600 radio/modem with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel and the submission, to me, of documentation of the method used, in the form of fully commented source code which can be understood by a person competent in the programming language used so that it can be used for verification and for further development.
If there is a dispute as to who ultimately accomplished the goal of getting the Qualcomm mdm6600 modem/radio working fully with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel, it will be resolved by examination of relevant documentation which I will use to determine the reward recipient(s). If more than one person, determined by me exclusively, contributed substantially to achieving the goal, each of those persons will be eligible to receive the same reward. If anyone who is eligible to receive the reward doesn't want it they may forego receiving it.
The content of this post is subject to change due to errors and/or ommissions and/or illegality.
37 views so far and only 2 votes? WTH! Apathy?
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37 views so far and only 2 votes? WTH! Apathy?
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Well, you're essentially spamming people. What did you expect?
This won't incentivize cooperation which looks necessary to me.
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im about ready to just buy another g2x and send tonyp my old one lol
In another phone section [Galaxy S Blaze] everyone chipped in to buy a developer a phone. I would totally do it for a seasoned developer who can likely fix the radio issue. A G2x isn't really that expensive.
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I voted no just because i think it will take more than one person on the other hand if a random badass dev wants to just make it happen really quick then ill change my vote. P. S Ali ba your signature is pretty freaking funny
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Bulletblitz27 said:
In another phone section [Galaxy S Blaze] everyone chipped in to buy a developer a phone. I would totally do it for a seasoned developer who can likely fix the radio issue. A G2x isn't really that expensive.
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i agree. they go for around 150 on craigslist, so if we had 6 people donate $25 just one time out of their friday paycheck, we might be able to really get somewhere with our phone developmentally, AND we could say we did it as a community which i think would be pretty freakin cool.:good:
monte666 said:
I voted no just because i think it will take more than one person on the other hand if a random badass dev wants to just make it happen really quick then ill change my vote. P. S Ali ba your signature is pretty freaking funny
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No changing votes.
BuddhaTeh1337 said:
i agree. they go for around 150 on craigslist, so if we had 6 people donate $25 just one time out of their friday paycheck, we might be able to really get somewhere with our phone developmentally, AND we could say we did it as a community which i think would be pretty freakin cool.:good:
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That would be helpful but how would that be accomplished? Regardless, I have decided what my contribution will be and how it will be awarded.
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Well, you're essentially spamming people. What did you expect?
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A thread that people can post to is not spam but off-topic posts to a thread are.
Does anyone know
if buying a dev a phone would even work? Are there devs willing to work for phones like that?
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if buying a dev a phone would even work? Are there devs willing to work for phones like that?
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I suppose that, if the developer is already doing it, but they don't have a G2X such as tonyp, they would welcome getting one to enable them to do their development much more easily. I think tonyp well deserves getting a G2X for his effort. I don't know about anyone else who doesn't have a G2X who is contributing as much as he has and still is. Wouldn't it be helpful to ask him and, if he wants one, easiest to donate to him directly so that he can buy the phone? I am certain that, if that happened, he would be very pleased.
Unfortunately you can't count me in. I'm lacking the time and probably kernel knowledge to do that.
You need someone who got deep Linux kernel experience and skills.
Btw, offering someone like that a windows license is a little strange
(and just to brag about it: I got plenty of free win 8 licenses thanks to Microsoft MSDN aa ).
A potential dev has to have the phone. It won't work without one, that would take way more time.
The problem with donating a phone upfront is that it introduces expectations. If the dev fails it's always a bad feeling for both sides, that's why there are many devs who don't really like receiving phones.
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I'll throw in the $5 that was donated to me lately.
tonyp said:
Unfortunately you can't count me in. I'm lacking the time and probably kernel knowledge to do that.
You need someone who got deep Linux kernel experience and skills.
Btw, offering someone like that a windows license is a little strange
(and just to brag about it: I got plenty of free win 8 licenses thanks to Microsoft MSDN aa ).
A potential dev has to have the phone. It won't work without one, that would take way more time.
The problem with donating a phone upfront is that it introduces expectations. If the dev fails it's always a bad feeling for both sides, that's why there are many devs who don't really like receiving phones.
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Offering a Windows 8 license isn't that strange even in the Android/Linux community as many use Windows for some purposes that Android/Linux don't fulfil. The reward wouldn't be given until it was "earned". (And, also, but not to brag about it, I was also a member of MSDNAA but I've retired from that now.)
Kernel development/hacking is very difficult so anyone who would do it would have to have the phone anyway so getting the phone one already owns isn't an incentive. You're correct about giving a phone upfront implies that there is the expectation of a beneficial payback to whomever donates the phone which is a good reason not to give one and not to want one.
I am still committed to the reward I am considering offering. So far, the majority are in favour of it. When the poll is over, I will do what the majority wants.
We'd probably need some dev who already works for LG or some other company to get the radio working.. or as stated before, some who understands android coding extremely well such.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't RC work with LG? If so can't he try to contact them about the kernel not supporting the G2x. I refuse to give up even though it seems hopeless at this point lol
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I sent an email asking for assistance to someone at NVIDIA who does supervisory work with Tegra and Linux programming. I hope he replies.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't RC work with LG? If so can't he try to contact them about the kernel not supporting the G2x. I refuse to give up even though it seems hopeless at this point lol
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He doesn't work for LG but he is in good terms with the developers at LG.
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Hi guys this is my first time posting although I've been reading these forums for quite some time now
First of all i'd like to thank all the devs that work so hard for this phone. We all appreciate it immensely. :good:
Now down to business.
I've started a petition for LG and T-Mobile to release an update for the T-Mobile G2x (LG-P999).
I know this seems pretty useless at this point but hey its better to try then do nothing at all
I'd really appreciate it if everyone here could show there support and spread this around.
Petition: wwwchangeorg/petitions/lg-and-t-mobile-update-the-lg-g2x-lg-p999-to-android-4-x
Please also visit the lg forums and voice your opinion.
supportlgforumcom/lg/topics/g2x_owners_reply_if_you_want_android_4_0_ics_for_our_g2xs
Were bound to get noticed eventually. If it fails at least we kinda tried to put a thorn in LG's side xD
Thanks guys, please no negativity, im just trying to help us all out after all.
(BTW had to remove periods after www, change, support, and lgforum since im noob and can't post links )
There is a difference between negative and realistic. IMHO it would be a waste of time considering nexus 4 and EULA for the g2x.
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There is a difference between negative and realistic. IMHO it would be a waste of time considering nexus 4 and EULA for the g2x.
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I think doing nothing is more of a waste of time. It's really not that hard to just go and comment at least on the lg forums.
If you go to the lg forums you will find a this written by an LG employee:
RyanLG (Official Rep) 4 days ago
"Nope, those are just the crickets from another thread I recently posted. There is not much else to add to this 160+ comment thread that has been of popular topic for the past year. All I can say is the Thrill finally received a software update to fix many of it's previous hardware and software issues. Nobody saw that coming in a million years and what do you know, it happened! And ever since the complaints have subsided substantially about that particular device and the praise for it is at an all time high. I fully understand the complaints and frustration from all the G2X owners, you deserve some sort of resolution. The best thing you can do at this point is let your voice be heard whether it be here, but more so to LG customer support, the carrier or anywhere else. I will escalate this thread to the top with hopes of some sort of resolution. A similar process benefited the Thrill, so who knows."
What he said is what im doing, trying to get people to voice their opinion about the phone.
Also what he said about the LG Thrill gives me some hope.
If you don't wanna sign the petition i understand but at least go to the official lg forums and "complain".
It may be a long shot and will probably never happen but why not try at least, like RyanLG said, "who knows"?
Maybe just maybe if we get a lot of people to show their frustration and support for an upgrade a miracle will happen.
Won't know for sure unless we try is all i'm trying to say :angel:
Also, since development is practically at a stand still what else is there to do?
Rummage through xda forums everyday hoping for something new? x.x
Maybe we can reach out to other developers with lots of experience to look at the radio problem or build Hackfest roms? We basically only have Maz left and we can't expect him to do everything for us.
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Maybe we can reach out to other developers with lots of experience to look at the radio problem or build Hackfest roms? We basically only have Maz left and we can't expect him to do everything for us.
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Maz is put through maintaining a gingerbread kernel on top of a new project that some users wanted, fixing bluetooth calling. There were some other projects maz had set put to do also. Such a nice guy but lets look at this situation realistically. This phone is a 'sunken ship'.
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Maybe we can reach out to other developers with lots of experience to look at the radio problem or build Hackfest roms? We basically only have Maz left and we can't expect him to do everything for us.
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That'd be awesome if we could contact other devs to help with the ril issue. Problem I see there though is that I'm sure many of those devs are working hard on other projects. Plus, the ril issue is something that is really difficult to resolve (if even possible?) and Idk if more devs would even be of help at this point but nonetheless the more devs working on this phone the better.
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Maz is put through maintaining a gingerbread kernel on top of a new project that some users wanted, fixing bluetooth calling. There were some other projects maz had set put to do also. Such a nice guy but lets look at this situation realistically. This phone is a 'sunken ship'.
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I agree maz is super awesome! To me it seems like he's the only dev currently doing anything. Im using his latest beta kernel and my phone is not only snappy but also has awesome battery life so much props to him.
And I have accepted that this phone is a sunken ship but I will never lose hope
The phone is 2 years old at this point in the States. The end of life of the device through T-Mobile was January 2012. The hardware was pretty much a prototype version of the current Tegra 2 platform, and we'll never know the proper way to code for it. The RIL issues will never get fixed, nor did they have a shot to be fixed. If you're still on the device, you're either like me and too poor to afford an upgrade, or somehow stuck in a deal for the phone. If you used an EIP through T-Mo, you can pay it back early instead of monthly and get yourself a new one on the plan.
In the end it comes down to knowing exactly what phones are going to be popular for developers. Nexus devices and the Galaxy line are where you want to be if you want good support. That's where all the action is and will be for some time. The HTC One shows some promise, but with AT&T locking the bootloader, that's one less carrier brand that can be unlocked.
Pick wisely and don't bother with this stuff. Getting your hopes up will only cause you more anger when the truth comes around.
"The hardware was pretty much a prototype version of the current Tegra 2 platform, and we'll never know the proper way to code for it."
Interesting. Are you saying that the entire Optimus 2X line of phones was not based on the Tegra 2 platform used on other phones, but rather an incomplete prototype (probably because they were rushing it to market), or that this is only true for the G2X (aka P999), hence the differences between it and the other models?