I would personally like jin1337 unbanned. Noone is left to work on this device and scripts all come from another source script anyways. You let reviewers come back and he was notorious for kanging, and he didn't hardly anywork when he came back anyway. He got us a new modem and asked somebody for permission to "manage" someone elses rom. I valued him better then reviewers because he is more mature. SO ANYONE ELSE WHO WANT JIN1337 UNBANNED POST HERE AS WELL
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I would personally like jin1337 unbanned. Noone is left to work on this device and scripts all come from another source script anyways. You let reviewers come back and he was notorious for kanging, and he didn't hardly anywork when he came back anyway. He got us a new modem and asked somebody for permission to "manage" someone elses rom. I valued him better then reviewers because he is more mature. SO ANYONE ELSE WHO WANT JIN1337 UNBANNED POST HERE AS WELL
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Actually Myself and Reviewers will be co authoring a ROM for the SK4G using my newest scripts, tweaks and other goodies. JiN is completely useless. He had no clue what he was doing in terms of rom tweaks. When He gave me the build.prop to his rom I started laughing. He added the same set of tweaks two or three times but all were set to different values. He even had double set of scripts. This kid had no clue what he was doing AT ALL. Plus he was a kanger from hell. I promise quality work and ACTUAL speed and performance gains across the board.
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I'm not going to even comment it's not worth getting in trouble.
He did 1 ROM.
I did GenericGinger I'm a maintainer He was a Helper.
I released the Blaze 4G Modem and tons of ROM's.
Neither you or reviewers actually owns the device so I don't see how you guys plan on making brand new roms without "kanging" yourselfs. I still want jin back since he was a good active here. I think it is unfair that people without the device get to get people banned for no reason. And like I said befor your little buddy reviewers was a knager from hell too especially when I first got here... so I mean if they don't unban jin they should atleast reban reviewers
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I have the Sidekick 4G what are you talking about man?
I always had a Sidekick 4G.
I was never a kanger I got a infraction for kanging because I forgot to add credit once hence the infraction you usually get banned.
This wasn't a thread to start arguing if you don't want jin back please don't post anymore.
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I'm not fighting he was cool.
I'm not saying I don't want him back though.
I can pickup a sk4g from craigslist for 40 bucks if i need to. These phone are dirt cheap. JiN isnt coming back and amount of petitions is gonna fix the situation here. Most of you have no idea what a script does anyhow so saying taking a script isnt techincally kanging is totally false. Reviewers has mad mistakes in the past im sure of it. But I am not going to kang anyones work to make my own. All my copyrighted scripts where made from scratch. No one helped me with my scripts. So if you guys do not want a rom then so long. I just thought I would help further development of android is all. Also If you guy didnt know I do not and will not take donations AT ALL. Just a little Fyi.
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Most of you have no idea what a script does anyhow
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Not just scripts, and I will speak for myself, am oblivious of almost anything about developing. I think that is why everyone was so reluctant to have Jin here putting **** out, but not many of us knew what he was doing, and apparently neither did he.
Its been really sad for a lot of us to get totally ignored with this device and be stuck on froyo in the ICS age. I feel like I speak for everyone when I say we will appreciate almost anything that anyone can put out. I also think everyone needs to get over when people are rude, like seriously, it's an internet forum, there is no need for everyone to be polite and wipe your butt for you, though I know some people can go completely out of line.
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All in all, if jun was really stealing Re's ****, then he deserved the ban.
Again if you don't want jin back you can stay away from this post thank you that is all
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yeah, i agree. get jin back here. we pm find out what is plm with rom. unlikely other dev never respond through pm... noob become pro.
I was stunned by how badly the JiN situation was handled, including by the moderator. I know it's just an online forum, but I had come to expect more reasonable behavior.
A year ago it was Revolution, now known as Reviewers, who was being treated badly as a novice developer. I thought it was BS then, but I didn't speak up. I wish I had. I would think he would recognize the similarities and stand up for JiN a little bit.
Personally I wish it would be more about advancing the device, and building a knowledge base, less about power and retribution. We have so few developers on this platform, and everyone has to learn as they go along.
While it was against a strict interpretation of XDA's rules for JiN to use the scripts without obtaining permission first, ReactiveDisorder could have been big about it and given his blessing. It was a minor newbie mistake that didn't need to trigger a personality meltdown.
So yeah, I think JiN should be unbanned. I think he should apologize to ReactiveDisorder (even if he has already) for his inconsiderate mistake, and ReactiveDisorder should be happy, and not huff and puff about patents and lawsuits, unless he's angling for a gig at Oracle.
I say give him another chance when he shows that he can be trusted. Devs are supposed to be a team, or at least that's how I see it. I would love to load my first Android phone with the new hotness.
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LOL I'm sorry, the only person that handled this badly was jin. Look at his posts effectively saying that he did not care about asking for permission and was prepared to make multiple accounts to repost someone else's work. That was before a moderator was even involved.
He was given the chance to address the issue properly, usually in such a case his thread would have been closed instantly and all links removed however he was actually given a grace period to correct his mistake. He threw that back in my face by attempting to skirt around the rules by distributing links via pm.
He would have been back before long and free to continue developing if it weren't for his own decision to instantly create another account despite being told not to.
The only person you have to blame for him not being here is jin himself.
A petition has absolutely no bearing on somebody being unbanned whether it contains ten or ten thousand names, that's just not how things work.
There are also other factors that you aren't aware so I suggest that you reconsider you assessment of how this was handled.
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The community even wants him back. So your right I do have a lot to consider. Like which forum ill be moving to as I'm certainly not staying here. You single handedly killed a device because of script infringement? Good to see the so called community works together to help advance. I feel that people are playing favorites here as I have not heard a single good reason why jin was banned. He stole so and so's script. Do you guys actually think only one single person stumbled upon a single script? Or could it be someone else found it as well? Also reactive gave permission to use the alleged script in question in gingerclone which jin had a much bigger involvment in then the other members. Of course every post from gingerclone has been deleted but reviewers did post in there giving permission for everyone to use as a base. So technically if consent from reactive is needed for ini scripts... reviewers should be infractured for giving away someone else's work. Some of you may be wondering where that post is reviewers wrote, it has since been removed by him or a mod, (someone was protecting their own butt) i just think that somewhere else (where the mods dont just ban people because only one person in the world could figure out some ini tweaks) may suit the sidekick 4gs needs better. The only reason jin was banned because he stood up for what android is all about, opensource. He failed to comply? To who a forum nazi who had nothing better to do except make requests of removal of ini tweaks? I really dont understand how its a developement community if were not all working together. @reactive and reviewers, id rather have no development then you guys at this point. So know im not looking forward to your rom.
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The community even wants him back. So your right I do have a lot to consider. Like which forum ill be moving to as I'm certainly not staying here. You single handedly killed a device because of script infringement? Good to see the so called community works together to help advance. I feel that people are playing favorites here as I have not heard a single good reason why jin was banned. He stole so and so's script. Do you guys actually think only one single person stumbled upon a single script? Or could it be someone else found it as well? Also reactive gave permission to use the alleged script in question in gingerclone which jin had a much bigger involvment in then the other members. Of course every post from gingerclone has been deleted but reviewers did post in there giving permission for everyone to use as a base. So technically if consent from reactive is needed for ini scripts... reviewers should be infractured for giving away someone else's work. Some of you may be wondering where that post is reviewers wrote, it has since been removed by him or a mod, (someone was protecting their own butt) i just think that somewhere else (where the mods dont just ban people because only one person in the world could figure out some ini tweaks) may suit the sidekick 4gs needs better. The only reason jin was banned because he stood up for what android is all about, opensource. He failed to comply? To who a forum nazi who had nothing better to do except make requests of removal of ini tweaks? I really dont understand how its a developement community if were not all working together. @reactive and reviewers, id rather have no development then you guys at this point. So know im not looking forward to your rom.
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Reviewers has my written permission to use ALL my scripts. Ive been helping him along. I plan on helping him with other things like deodexing, building from source, etc etc...I jumped the gun being harsh on reviewers in the past. He has given me proper credit for every ive helped him with. That is all I wanted....Ask permission....Give credit....Done?? JiN never even asked me. He just said F**k it and stole my 6 scripts. Those 6 scripts added 300-400 points on quadrent testing for everyone info. So my "Simple Scripts" did ALOT.
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Yes I don't believe you are understanding what I'm saying reviewers gave everbody on the internet to use generic ginger as a base. Your scripts were included in genericginger. What are people supposed to remove your scripts from base builds? I think not I think if you didn't want people using your scripts you shouldn't have put them in a rom that people are allowed to use as a base. Fair IS fair after all
And if you dont believe me just ask a mod to check the deleted posts in generic ginger. He gave out permission to use the rom as a base and your sscripts were in it so if your mad at anybody it should be reviewers for giving everyone permission to use your work
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Jin did not handle it badly until the end. Yes, he was a fool to say "I will keep kanging and distribute through other methods" to the mods. For that he did deserve to get banned. However, reviewers and reactive were acting like children publicly long before he did (I have no idea what happened in private between you 3 obviously).
I want him back though! Why? Because I am using his IceBlaze 4.5, and it is hands down THE BEST rom I have ever used on this phone. I want IceBlaze 4.6 and I want him to keep working on future versions. I am a developer at about his level (not a real dev, but can grab the best **** out there and stick it in one nice little package for release). Problem is, I don't have the time for it, so it is so awesome that he appeared and made something awesome for my phone that I would never get around to doing myself. ...and so ****ty that he is now gone because some dude "higher-up" has a god complex and thinks it is even possible to copywrite a script.
I have tried BasicGinger 3.8, 3.7, 4.1 and the unreleased 4.2 hosted on the same site as 4.1. None of them worked for calling a number. Process phone would FC and drop my call. I mentioned this multiple times, but they were all too busy arguing like school kids to help me out.
I have not tried Hewett's rom because to me all the top icons are ugly.
I tried all rev's ROMs months ago too, but none of them were as stable, pretty, and fast as GOv2.
So my options are:
1) Go back to GOv2.
2) Stick with IceBlaze 4.1 (fastest, most-stable, fully working ROM)
3) Try to get IceBlaze 4.2 (YES! Please unban Jin, at least long enough that I can give him my email )
If Reviewers / ReActive think I don't deserve to test his IceBlaze because he stole if from them (with giving credits mind you!), then where the heck does that leave me, the user?
My turn on the playground:
F*** Y** guys! Anything I can put on my phone, anything I can put on my computer, anything I can see or hear... I can save, modify, and re-distribute it to anyone and everyone on earth. That is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT!!! No RIAA, MPAA, US-DOJ, or XDA will ever convince me otherwise. Yes, I am a coder/developer by profession, and yes I DO NOT believe in copywrite, patents, or IP (intellectual property is an oxymoron, you cannot own intellect!)
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Yes I don't believe you are understanding what I'm saying reviewers gave everbody on the internet to use generic ginger as a base. Your scripts were included in genericginger. What are people supposed to remove your scripts from base builds? I think not I think if you didn't want people using your scripts you shouldn't have put them in a rom that people are allowed to use as a base. Fair IS fair after all
And if you dont believe me just ask a mod to check the deleted posts in generic ginger. He gave out permission to use the rom as a base and your sscripts were in it so if your mad at anybody it should be reviewers for giving everyone permission to use your work
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Damn good point. I thanked him for doing it at the time.
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Yes I don't believe you are understanding what I'm saying reviewers gave everbody on the internet to use generic ginger as a base. Your scripts were included in genericginger. What are people supposed to remove your scripts from base builds? I think not I think if you didn't want people using your scripts you shouldn't have put them in a rom that people are allowed to use as a base. Fair IS fair after all
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XDA's policy with regard to use and attribution seems simple on its surface, but the truth is it's a murky issue.
Reviewers had accepted JiN's cooperation on GenericGinger, so it seems to me JiN had both implicit and explicit permission to use the contents of the ROM.
ReActiveDisorder apparently offered his scripts for inclusion to the ROM. Perhaps he put clear limits on further use of the scripts at that time, perhaps not. As far as I can tell any such restriction was not made clear publicly, at first.
As a publicly acknowledged maintainer of GenericGinger, JiN felt justified in re-using the contents of the ROM as a base, complying with Reviewers' explicitly announced terms. ReActiveDisorder felt he had not given permission for this use, even though he had contributed his scripts to a ROM already made free by its initial poster. Here I think ReActive erred -- if he wanted to keep his scripts closed, he shouldn't have contributed them to a ROM already made free.
ReActiveDisorder then made horrid ugly noises, then JiN made horrid ugly noises, then the moderator appeared and took a side. JiN mouthed off in response to the moderator, got banned, worked around it, and here we are.
It's the anatomy of a bad call. JiN is out because he failed to respect conantroutman's verdict, and yes, subsequently reacted badly. And no, conantroutman, I don't think anyone seriously thinks a moderator's decisions would be influenced by member opinions now that it has all played out. But that doesn't mean it was a good call on the initial merits.
ReActiveDisorder, you should know that while you can copyright the exact contents of your scripts, you can't copyright a series of settings made against someone else's API. Anyone could simply look at what you did and re-implement more or less the same result, without infringing on your copyright. And the prospect of obtaining a software patent on a series of Android kernel and userland settings is absurd on its face.
And who among us has obtained personal permission from, or even given credit to, all the thousands of contributors to the Linux kernel, the AOSP project, any of the constituent software (sqlite, busybox, Samsung engineers, the list goes on) in the course of releasing a ROM? So the credit and permission rule is applied either arbitrarily, or selectively.
Personally, I think all sides of the dispute acted badly, and JiN got the axe because he sassed a moderator. Way to go, guys.
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Actually Myself and Reviewers will be co authoring a ROM for the SK4G using my newest scripts, tweaks and other goodies. JiN is completely useless. He had no clue what he was doing in terms of rom tweaks. When He gave me the build.prop to his rom I started laughing. He added the same set of tweaks two or three times but all were set to different values. He even had double set of scripts. This kid had no clue what he was doing AT ALL. Plus he was a kanger from hell. I promise quality work and ACTUAL speed and performance gains across the board.
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All I know is, his ROM works faster then GOv2 with more free memory. I sincerely hope you can do better if what you say is correct, so I look forward to seeing that. Shame we are left hanging in the mean time when a "dumb kid" was willing and able to give us IceBlaze NOW.
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I'm not going to even comment it's not worth getting in trouble.
He did 1 ROM.
I did GenericGinger I'm a maintainer He was a Helper.
I released the Blaze 4G Modem and tons of ROM's.
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All I know is, your older roms were slower and less stable then GOv2. GenericGinger was just as awesomely fast as IceBlaze, but it could not dial a phone number!
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I never flashed this ROM, though I must admit that it did look interesting feature/graphic wise.
It's sad to cease development on an open source compilation of code.. that's why even the renowned Design Gears is happily posting his source to his github
I do admit that with the push of android to the young populous, there's a lot of *young* android adopters.. consequence being the immaturity and inconsideration of spreading pirated software, leaking releases, and the lost of respect instilled in the media today towards the youngsters.
Respect is what parents should be raising their children with, not some TVs and Gameboys.
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I never flashed this ROM, though I must admit that it did look interesting feature/graphic wise.
It's sad to cease development on an open source compilation of code.. that's why even the renowned Design Gears is happily posting his source to his github
I do admit that with the push of android to the young populous, there's a lot of *young* android adopters.. consequence being the immaturity and inconsideration of spreading pirated software, leaking releases, and the lost of respect instilled in the media today towards the youngsters.
Respect is what parents should be raising their children with, not some TVs and Gameboys.
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+10...............................
sigh, I really liked Axura ROM and their dedication. I think I'm done with flashing since this amount of drama detracts from all the collegial spirit that should be present in this type of activity.
yeah i have axura and i'm happy with it at this point. i am going to live in denial for a while and keep checking back hoping they change their tune and start dev'ing again
It was the best
I loved this ROM and not to be too harsh, but whoever thought that would ever be okay is just a......ill keep it G rated, but yea! Seriously, its not your work and you have been asked not to post it or use it w/o express permission! I am glad to hear that they have been banned from the forums (via Master's Twitter) but seriously let this be a lesson to all of XDA, respect peoples work. Especially the people who are taking our phones from okay to the best out there! This is just rude and I am really hoping the XDA community learns from this and from here on out keeps flaming and crap like this to a minimum. Dev's can disagree and people can have their differences but that does not trump respect, and on that note if your not a Dev(which I am not) then lay off the devs a little, give them ideas/feedback but dont piss all over their work if something isnt exactly right. For the love they are building these ROMs from scraps and leaked incomplete releases! If you cant fix it yourself.....don't complain just let the Dev know and HOLD YOUR HAPPY .... ON UNTIL THEY FIX IT!
P.S. Dont know if hansmrtn will read this but if you do then thank you for standing up for us and trying to let Master agree to release the newest version to us! You rock, you didnt have to try but you did anyway. Thanks!
hey sorry guys i know this is like a super noob question and i may get flamed for this but im willing to accept that lol but from reading all this i have one main question: does this mean i cant get Axura anymore from anywhere? i dont even have my Captivate yet but i should be getting it on Monday but im planning to go straight to a ROM from the get go and i was planning to use Axura but now after reading all this im pretty sad. i know i could go with Perception v7 but id still much rather get Axura, is there any way i can still get it?
hey man
Yea as of now all Auxra Roms are gone. People probably have them on their computer but no one should, esp after this post them or give them up. Sorry man!
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Yea as of now all Auxra Roms are gone. People probably have them on their computer but no one should
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love the axura rom..glad i was able to hop on the bandwagon while i could
There are a lot of people who get rubbed the wrong way on here. I have to admit sometimes it gets pretty bad. But I also find it refreshing that the mods don't really step in to often to clean things up.
One thing i don't get is the mindset of a rom dev. I was under the impression that they have the device and have the abilities to make it better then what it is. I always thought them sharing it was a gift. With that being said i would think they would listen to suggestions but ultimately they make what they want, we are along for the ride.
I know if i were making something for myself and then sharing it to the world, I wouldn't give two poops what anyone has to say because it was made for me and to each his own.
As per releasing betas or alphas... your always going to have pirates, jerks and people who want some fame. It happens. That is why companies have nda's. Just find yourself 4 or 5 trustworthy chaps and dev dev dev!
These roms should be made for self gratification, not for kudos from xda members. You will always get crap for your hard work.
that is my piece, you may not agree.
This is a kick in the nuts to those who donated to hansmrtn, this whole fiasco had nothing to do with the captivate rom, so for him to seize development makes no sense.
This my friends....has made me so much more cautious in my donation.
I donate because I feel that it is important to show those people that do this on their free spare time, should feel like they are being appreciated for their time and work.
But their is a catch to this, if you are willing to ask for donation to a community that your a member of, I believe YOU are obligated to show some sort "code of ethics". I want to feel that I have donated to a cause of future development and support.
NOT....
News: D4A is closing at the end of the month due to the disrespect from several XDA members
I will not post the link to the website. Deserves NO recognition.
Really...? This is what your gonna give me for an explanation for why my donation on good faith was wasted! Childish.
Bad business, shows that your maturity level for this community has showed it's true colors, selfish and lack of respect for one self.
Am I asking for a refund, by all means, no. Seems like you need the money more than I do.
Am I being a little harsh, no. You have to understand, you have to look at this more on a business stand point. You advertise the donation button, which basically asking for peoples hard earn money, and you take it away just like that (doesn't matter if it is for 1 cent, still wasn't your money to begin with), ...and you feel disrespected...? Come back and ask the community the same please.
Just note that you let a lot more people down than people that you feel that disrespected you. But we'll still call the kettle black...
That's my 2 cents, back to seeing whats new.
Tried following the excuses given for pulling development on this rom. I get it that things happen and are said on this forum that are not respectful, but the greater good of the commity should out way a couple bad apples. Still using the rom. Will do so till I am bored. Allot of drama in the last couple of days
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As far as the reasons goes some people are dicks, life sucks, get over it.
The reaction is a slap in the face to all the donators and hansmrtn.
In the open source world, when this **** happens the way forward is to fork and move on.
All too often I've seen the devs at XDA get disrespected. And I see it way too much, these folks put countless hours into what we reap the benefits of. It's not their jobs, and if it was their jobs, then the disrespect becomes a bit more "tolerable". But it's on their free time they make our devices better than anything the manufacturers could produce.
As far as Axura and the devs involved in it. I felt they did some truly amazing stuff. It was brilliant work, and as it moved along it was getting really exciting to see it get better and better. I was thrilled at where it was going, it made me want to contribute to it, not in money, but in my own abilities.
The thread was a really great place. After the dev change, I can say I only saw 1 person get a bit out of line. There wasn't the bashing and BS from people coming down on noobs. It was refreshing to see for a change. Hopefully the people moving from Axura to the other ROM threads out there will carry on this to their new ROMS
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this ROM. Both in the development and in the feed back to the devs, who could then make it better for all of us
Can someone explain me in a short what exactly happened. I have red the convo with but I don't get what exactly happened. Since I switched to nexus one this forum is going nuts!
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mac208x said:
Can someone explain me in a short what exactly happened. I have red the convo with but I don't get what exactly happened. Since I switched to nexus one this forum is going nuts!
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I'll let Urban Dictionary do the talking:
"I'm going to take my ball and go home!"
"I want to be in control of the situation and if I can't then no one is going to be allowed to be happy about the outcome."
The expression comes from the playground where one kid, the one who owns the soccer ball or basket ball, doesn't get his way in the game. If he doesn't get his way then he gets mad and punishes those who are unwilling to accept his mandate. He does this my taking his ball and going home thus ending the game and any fun the participants were having.
The expression "I'm going to take my ball and go home" when directed at an individual is used to illustrate the individual's immaturity when that person can't get his way and no longer wants to be a participant in the conversation or a contributor to solving a problem.
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^^ I agree, it seemed like the issue was more about removing axura from XDA as the one individual wanted it to be exclusive to his website.
Also, it appears it is closing up because of sheer frustration. As a web host you cant be so quick to quit!
A ROM will be leaked, do you see AT&T stopping the development of FROYO because we are all spreading it around like wild fire? No.
Good thing I downloaded the rom a day before it was taken down.
After reading the convo, I was just like WTF, really?
Yeah, devs deserve respect. No one can argue otherwise. They make these roms in their free time, hoping to please themselves and other people by sharing it here. They don't have to do it, yet they still do even though other members give em **** for it.
Now, as to what Master did.
Let me ask you this question. (If you read this.)
Did you REALLY expect nobody to give you **** for your work? Were you really so NAIVE to believe that there would be no piraters, leakers, etc.? Do you REALLY think it's fair to punish YOURSELF and EVERYBODY ELSE around you just because one or two people disrespected your work?
Unfortunately, this life can be unfair. Deal with it. There will be immature douchebags that will disrespect you. That's just how life is.
What you have done is highly immature. Now hans can't develop the CE Axura anymore even AFTER he put so much work into it. Is that not disrespect? What about all those who donated to you, you just leave them in the dust just because one or two people disrespected you?
Anyways, that was my 2 cents.
Of course, being the dev, he can do whatever he wants with his rom. Remove it, put it up, it's all up to him, and, like I said, devs do this on their free time and we have no right to be disrespectful to them or to demand anything from them.
I think it was due to how it was handled which is why Master wanted it removed from XDA. However, that's not fair to Hans as he put alot of time and effort into it and he didn't want to shut it down. If anything, I think Hans should be able to release it here because it had little to nothing to do with this fiasco.
I understand why Master pulled it but sheltering it won't don't anything but hurt the rom due to very little exposure. I hope that Hans continues to dev whether it be Axura or something else.
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^^^QFMFT!!!
I spent all day trying to get a PC to flash Odin finally get it load up this ROM and what happens? It gets removed in a manner that even my kid thinks is hella immature. I feel bad for Hans because of all of the hardwork he put into it after the last feet stomping tantrum....or so I've heard. I'm just disappointed in the whole thing..
Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
To Developers : PM me and i'll give you the details on how it's going to be ran. I've got a rough draft of a guideline that I think will get a lot of people to donate for the cause.
Update : If I get this up and running, there are going to be some pretty cool, exclusive and interactive things that only backers of this program will experience while the developer works on the roms!
Few facts :
I will not have access to the money raised
If the goal is not met, you will get your money back
The community will choose the winner
Exclusive early access for users who donate
Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
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Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
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I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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That would be great.
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Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
That would be great.
I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not trying to shoot you down bro just saying in the past these things have gone bad at one point mods were squashing these before they could start. The problem is that these guys already do this on their own time on top of having familys, scool, jobs, etc. If you really wanna bolster development buy the guys doing this a beer a bounty never improves quality while speeding things up it just speeds things up with a bare minimum quality I know you have provisions and such but still id say find a dev you trust throw a few his way and watch I don't speak from ignorance good sir only from experience
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Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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Appdroid you sir always pop in at wonderful moments
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appdroid said:
Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I appologize if I insulted you but I just wanted you to be aware man you know what your doing if the devs are cool then by all means
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It's okay. The end goal (I hope) is that we, Skyrocket users, will have a smooth running AOSP ICS build! It's a win-win for both devs and the community!
As long as the community has the same desire for an AOSP build as much as I do then there isn't any doubt that this will work out. You don't know how much I HATE TouchWiz. The hate has been refueled ever since I flashed the leaked ICS build. There's no way out for us ICS users right now.
How about this, just an idea. Get a dev who is willing to make Aosp for Skyrocket and get him a skyrocket! Just like what we did for other two devs! Like t989 ppl got raver a t989 and now he is working on aosp. Let's get a dev from other section!
i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that wouldnt involve you having the money
He was one of the 5 dev I've contacted. Since giving the devs a skyrocket in previous cases (as you have stated) has not really worked, this program will get a final build within a month and a half of time with (hopefully) a bigger payout in the end.
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i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that would involve you having the money
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I will have something set up where I won't have access to the money (no paypal or other shady outlets). I understand your concerns and I already have devised a strategy to give the users who donate confidence that this program is not a scam. Like I've stated before in this thread, participating users who donate will get interactive exclusive access throughout the process. If for some reason that this programs goal is not met, everyone will get their donations back. It's a win-win-win situation. It will be an experience you'd most enjoy! (if it launches)
If you haven't noticed by now, I have started a Skyrocket section over at reddit and manage it with the most up-to-date information about the device (link in my signature). I only care about our community having the best that there is.
Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Oh, that's nice! Bashing the whole community, outstanding!
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Well the poster of that comment clearly doesn't understand what XDA is. It is a community of hobbyists that do this in their spare time. They are free to do it however they please and condemning them for sharing their work that they could very well just keep to themselves is just arrogant and obtuse. If you truly appreciated XDA for what it was then that wouldn't have been there.
You are most definitely right that everyone is entitled to their opinions but if your opinion is that XDA is a 90's style development community then by all means, go elsewhere.
Thats just MY opinion
So, I've been stalking these here XDA Forums for about 6 months, and was in love with Glorious Overdose Ver 2. (thankyou sduvick and ayoteddy) Then after a while, everyone stopped doing anything for the SK and it turned out people just got a new phone because they were sick of the SK, or didn't have enough experience to deal with it.
Fast forward to about last month, we get two ambitious characters in this forum. Reviewers and JiN1337, who attempted to make the fate of the Sidekick better, and they did somewhat using GenericGinger's starting base. All was well, and contributions were aplenty. Then one day, both of the maintainers went different ways probably due to a lack of communication.
A spin-off project, IcyBlaze was spun-off as a vision of open source development and to continue the legacy of an already abandoned phone. One of the people who added a simple build.prop script (Reactivedisorder) to the ROM got mad about a few open source tweaks being added to a ROM to then which he claimed as his very own and said there were copyrights on the scripts (which I've checked, there were none). Though JiN1337 didn't ask permission, he properly gave credit to him.
The moderators of course took the side of the person with a higher post count, and JiN1337 was banned for not complying due to his open source beliefs.
Now, let me ask everyone a question..
We KNOW what JiN1337 did was wrong, but in this case, did it matter? I think he personally did it for the right reasons, and if Reactive and Reviewers REALLY cared about the fate of the SK, they would have worked alongside him.
So guys? What's this all mean? Think long and hard about it. It's a big middle finger from the mod, Reactivedisorder, and Reviewers telling you that the SK is done. Buy a new phone. That is all.
Obvious puppy is obvious...
Rules are rules. Don't like em, go elsewhere...
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First off, my intent is no to flame or enflame, but rather an expression of desired continuity. Seanzscreams SkyIce has been lock with thousands upon thousands of user of his rom swinging in the wind. This is supposedly over the "illegal" use of the dropbox.apk being used from a port of the SG3. What I am not understanding is that 4-5 months ago, a similar hack was used with the box.apk ported from the nexus. This was never locked or removed. In fact, it was touted in the portal itself. I am having a problem seeing a difference in the two situations. If this were just a case of cleaning all the flamers, that would be anoter thing because it gets bad, and I hate to see that myself. But, it is not just that. Again, I am looking to cause no uproar, but voice my concern over this. I have to. If I felt I could not do at least that here, than the forum would feel like being stuck in iOS. Limited, stifled and voiceless. I cant stand the thought of XDA feeling like that to me after four years of being here. Thank-you for your understanding on the nature of this post. Respect to mods, respect to devs, and respect to fellow users.
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In before lock! :silly:
Its prob not the apk its self but what he got in return for including into rom. Not that I have anything against it, I mean hell he spends a lot of time for us the users. He should get something.
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I truly hope it does not get locked. There is never anything wrong with a place to respectfully and diplomatically voice concerns and/or thoughts on such a topic. I choose to never flame or stifle anyone, and always welcome respectful opposition to my point of view. Hell, i am use to being told im wrong. Ive been married twice, lol.
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Its prob not the apk its self but what he got in return for including into rom. Not that I have anything against it, I mean hell he spends a lot of time for us the users. He should get something. Thank-you for your input on this cha0dsm. The more info, the better.
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I was not aware of him getting anything for including it. Bit if that is the situation, then point well taken. Whether that .apk is present or not, he will still be on my donate to list. His roms have made my phone so much more enjoyable than I could have imagined. Funny thing is, I never got the extra space with that .apk. But to be fair, I never use dropbox either.
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rebel1699 said:
Hell, i am use to being told im wrong. Ive been married twice, lol.
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Haha great! You said it!:laugh:
Us types may just be the silent minority but we know our place!
And I'll add to it, it's not just the wives, but the kids sure like to show us it too sometimes. Makes a man humble.
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I would hate to lose such a prolific Dev to this. I see the value in, XDA protecting itself, from perceived illegal activity, I see no issue with locking the threads until figured out. I would rather lose a Rom than this wonderful site.
Here's to SeanZ quick fix and re-upload of a new version of SkyICS 4.2F without the offending apk.
Thank you Seanz and XDA, both, for what you give us.
I'm assuming there is some back-channel dialog with Sean, and hopefully all ends well with new version(s) of the ROMs without the dropbox.apk.
That said, this is kind of an interesting line to walk, given how much of the activity (and value) of xda relates to all sorts of leaked, back-ported, or re-distributed software. When a leaked ROM is posted, or pieces of a ROM cross-ported & posted, for example, is it always clear which pieces are "okay" and which are "TOS violations?"
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I would hate to lose such a prolific Dev to this. I see the value in, XDA protecting itself, from perceived illegal activity, I see no issue with locking the threads until figured out. I would rather lose a Rom than this wonderful site.
Here's to SeanZ quick fix and re-upload of a new version of SkyICS 4.2F without the offending apk.
Thank you Seanz and XDA, both, for what you give us.
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While I may still have a few concerns, I completely understand your stance. I love this community, which was the motivation for writing the Op. I also absolutely love the Roms that Sean provides for us. His work and dedication for us, as a community, is simply amazing. I have an immense amount of respect and gratitude for the man. As far as the Mod who locked the threads, I have never noticed anything truly "unfair" or "demeaning" by them, either. Even warning posts are courteous and respectful. So, I cant complain there. Heres to hoping that this amazing dev and the officiating mod/mods get this cleared up in a timely and mutually beneficial manner, so we can all resume our enjoyment of Seans brilliant roms within this great community.
I've been on other thread for other devices when the links get pulled. The talk was the OP was told/PMed in advance, of the infraction. thus giving the OP an opportunity to fix, I'm not saying this happen this time. I believe the Mods are on the up and up and want the treads to continue with out any issues. I would imagine that their is often behind the scenes warnings.
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Since skyics got closed for using dropbox.apk wouldn't the leaked roms be considered the same thing? It has apk files from the carriers in them that might have been updated and not released yet. I am just wondering how that works? I don't want to get in trouble for using something I'm not suppose to,
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Since skyics got closed for using dropbox.apk wouldn't the leaked roms be considered the same thing? It has apk files from the carriers in them that might have been updated and not released yet. I am just wondering how that works? I don't want to get in trouble for using something I'm not suppose to,
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I think it is more of an issue of it being on a device in which it was not meant for, and as a direct result, getting something (50Gb) that you were not otherwise able to get. If it was just a regular Dropbox.apk, it would be no big deal. The extra 50Gb promotion added to it is where the issue lies. It is a very slippery slope, though. In an open source dev community, I suppose it could be argued either way. It will come down to basic rules and judgement on a case by case basis, most likely. Like I said in the op, the same occurance with the Box.apk 50Gb promotion ported from the Nexus was never questioned, so I guess it can be labeled as a grey area and go either way.
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Thank you for clearing that up. I just didn't want to get in any trouble if the other apk files were illegal.
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I think it is more of an issue of it being on a device in which it was not meant for, and as a direct result, getting something (50Gb) that you were not otherwise able to get. If it was just a regular Dropbox.apk, it would be no big deal. The extra 50Gb promotion added to it is where the issue lies. It is a very slippery slope, though. In an open source dev community, I suppose it could be argued either way. It will come down to basic rules and judgement on a case by case basis, most likely. Like I said in the op, the same occurance with the Box.apk 50Gb promotion ported from the Nexus was never questioned, so I guess it can be labeled as a grey area and go either way.
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This can definitely be argued either way... all of the "leaked" ICS roms can be considered stolen, as they are not "official" releases.
I think what's bothering me the most is that in the 4 months I've had my skyrocket, I honestly can't remember any involvement from a Mod, and now threads are locked everywhere. Makes ya scratch your head. (I don't say this to flame, it's just odd seeing a one-day heavy cleanup. To add to that... Sean has had drop box in his from for 2 weeks... why now?)
Edited: cause fat thumbs sumbited before I was ready! Lol!
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If it turns out the the folks at Dropbox are behind this, I will move to another cloud storage solution and close my Dropbox account.
There are too many other options available.
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The issue is DropBox is a paid service, any free exploit is illegal.
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The issue is DropBox is a paid service, any free exploit is illegal.
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Yes, it could very well be that Dropbox is forcing the hand of XDA on this one. In that case, XDA would indeed have to protect itself. I would imagine that Sean will have the opportunity to "clean" and re-release his rom. Otherwise, the threads would have been simply deleted. Just my opinion, though.
Since the 4.2F thread is back open, thanks to Sean and the mods for their fast work in getting things resolved. Back to Sky-Ics Bliss.
Ok so basically I want to get this off my chest because this really bothers me and I strongly believe not all points will be accepted or seen as I do. Maybe some of you have heard of the "AOSiP experiment". If not read it here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-5-pro/development/rom-aosp-pie-t3829052/page125 last post thread is locked.
So where do we start? I've been here around some time (even before I registered I lurked around). To the people saying xda is full of troll lately and back than it was way better. No it wasn't. Trolls and ret*rds have been around since xda started the only thing really changed is there are telegram groups for every thing (why tho?) where they troll and harass in real time. The only rule I found about xda is : the cheaper the phone the ****t*er the community. (this might be a point you don't agree on). I strive to improve the community because I am a part of it. I try to be helpful when needed point to already asked question and provide logs. And really I didn't mind fight the trolls.
But now I have to fight troll users AND troll "devs"? Troll "devs", lul never thought of using this phrase but boi here we are. I get it you are tired of all the pubg and give me SOT spammers. But why don't you just make a private telegram group for the devs? What hurts me of the most personally is that the "devs", to prove a point, said: "we gonna f*ck over our normal userbase who appreciate your works btw "(or atleast did). So because you got trolled, you trolled back. Only it missed the target. The trolls won and it's no victory to let a mod (not even akhil himself) post that ridiculously statement and close the thread so there won't be any discussion.
Also why didn't you make up a kernel? Why do you take the name of a dev who did nothing to you and drag him with you. Do you know what messages @srfarias is getting now because you thought: "lul lets take his kernel". Or does your own standards don't apply to yourself? "Trolling / harassment is bad as long as its against us? Trolling another dude is fine, as long as we don't know him?" Don't believe me? Read it here https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78978664&postcount=112
Don't get me worn the whole maintainer team of AOSIP did great work! But on a human level they are currently as low as it can get. I personally don't give a f*ck if they stay away because this kind of devs is what's I believe makes up a toxic community. (another controversial point I guess)
Yes this is mainly a rant and maybe I'm way to offended by the devs but I really have to take this of my chest.
Thank to all the devs working on android and not playing games with their user base. And sorry @srfarias for all the sh*t you are getting right now.
Have a nice day.
Sir what's going on?
I find it a bit weird as well that they care so much about what a few people say. They completely forget about all the people who don't say anything because they have no issues at all...
Turning this theme around is trolling. Enough, please. Let's stop criticizing as users or developer and start all over again to bring out the best in us. The developers who only sporten their work and the users only our support and thanks. Enough please
Exactly that! I completely agree to all points... I bought the device 6 months back just because I saw huge development and I was completely happy with all the alternatives out there. J really liked akhils' work with Derp and never had an issue... Seeing the way now the device taking completely getting abandoned from most of the major projects going on, which also helped smaller projects to get a more polished work for our devices, just because some majority of users can't even follow the instructions of flashing or even understand what they are talking about most of the times is really disappointing.
There is always a better alternative to keep the true userbase "happy" with your work.
Everybody could easily not care about the troll's, just annouce in XDA - if they still wanted - keep a closed forum and just release personal work. Get their feedback through GitHub or any other issue tracking platform with strict bug report "protocol" and ignore all of those "members" who are unable to provide useful feedback. But, all we got now is that we got trolled by those who don't even care to try all the steps in order to provide useful feedback...
Anyways, I still appreciate the work done in Whyred and for me the best I have to do is to move to another device which potentially has a better community and devs that knows how to not care about the trolls. as most of the devs should know that 9/10 times the fault isn't in the code but in the user... Especially when we are talking about ROM/kernel performance in games for example. In telegram forum I even saw a user asking if it was possible to update his chipset form sd660 to sd845 through kernel update. Should we even care to explain to any user with this attitude? This type is not even making a research about what he is tweaking on his device and the potential damages he could get by those tweaks...
i don't own this device, but someone linked me this post for some reason.
All i can say is, i have to agree on most points in the OP.
have a nice day all
I am really Sad for this situation, I don't even own the device... but oof.... Good luck guys.
Using other devs name-for-a-project just to f'ck around/troll the users is as low as it gets.
Oh, here is my very unpopular opinion: I have had nothing but trouble with AOSiP(both oreo and pie builds). I thought it was only on my side, cuz everybody shared how good and awesome and perfect AOSiP was. Ugh, the brutal battery drains I had with AOSiP and Derp...
Holy sh't, when I read what happened yesterday, I thought I was in the wrong hecking forum and not XDA. I am glad that AOSiP is gone at this point.
Trolls should be punished, all of them, no matter who they are and what work they have done! If the main problem is trolling, make the whole forum closed behind a sub and stop whining about people being trolls. Where the f'ck have you lived until now?! On another planet? Tough luck, humans have been trolling since forever. People have been illiterate since forever. They don't care to learn, they just consume! But... When you're a dev and you're supposed to be smarter then the bunch of trolls, yet you fall on the trolls' level, you lost that one, hard!
Also, I remember srfarias from before. He has always done his best and I was surprised he started working on this device! He was never malicious! Keep it up, srfarias!
He's not in a ****, everyone here (only with brain) already knows what just happened, so it shouldn't be a problem at all, Srfarias isn't a well known (yet) on RN5 community since it was his first (and perfect) work, that's why he got attacked and to be fair that's normal and expected especially from this community, if he was a known here and developing ROMs for RN5 like the others i can imagine a totally different reaction from the same who attacked him, but since he's not known here (again, yet) then no problem, **** his rights and **** his time that he spent on this great kernel, no wonder, this is the nature of people.
Go to any ROM's topic now and see the begging, please dev don't leave us, you're the best dev, no such issue here don't report any issue you can hurt the dev, please continue your awesome work dev, will you continue this project dev?....etc.
God bless you Srfarias with this community and have fun (i doubt )
Just a personal consideration: it's sad to see how a very restricted group of people can destroy a modding community.
I can agree with you but also with the devs.
Spammers, trolls, pubg extreme players, is that really important? I have no skills about building ROMs or kernels and i'll never try to do this but, why we can't just ignore this kind of people? Why all users need to lose a good ROM (i've installed AOSiP once, and i've loved it) for those spammers?
I really hope to see AOSiP team again here in our subforum, i haven't followed this question and this is just a personal thing, but it's nice to see people on this argument.
(Sorry for my english, i have no skills on languages too )
Totally man..these devs act so mature and stuff still do retarded stuff and blame the trolls (what was the whole point of telegram group?)
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I'm gonna give slow claps to the devs who did this experiment.
Good job you won.
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And when it comes to this case it's not the trolls who are spreading the cancer its the...you know who.
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SRF (the dev of pureCaf) is such a humble guy and these guys HAD to F him up.
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Anyways I'm glad that you (the ones that did this experiment) have stopped developing ?.
We have many humble and intelligent devs who dont do stupid stuff and blame it on trolls and don't ruin other devs life.
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Peace.
I would agree with OP on some points, including that the experiment in question was debatable because it "contained" someone's work and it had directly impacted him.
But on another note, the experiment of similar sort was desperately needed to prove a point, which many people seem to have missed.
It was not aimed at PureCAF dev and his kernel per se, it was aimed at Whyred users of different profiles who have couple of things in common - disrespect, 0 knowledge, impatience and just bad manners in summary. I have been pissed of numerous times here because I try to add something useful to disscussion and development in a way, to help other users and devs, and then comes the horde of 10 users after my post with the exact same question which I (or anyone else) have answered, not to mention that there were numerous idiotic feature requests and useless bug reports.
One thing you have to remember, the ones who have issues will always be more vocal than those who don't. We all give feedback in threads of course, but you don't suddenly jump in PM to say hey great work, everything works, keep it up, where as those badly mannered people will spam PM's if something doesn't get fixed or even their request doesn't get considered, and those people will turn to disrespect, which has been shown here frequently.
The experiment was just a tip of the iceberg, because this kind of harassment goes way way back, and with presence of Telegram as an instant messaging app, you as a known dev are fuc*ed up.
The placebo effect, which is a powerful thing sometimes, has once again proved how many clueless people are present in this forums, and how much they have an impact on community nowadays.
I have used AOSiP + Derp for a long time, and my device has performed great with that combo since June last year, but others had issues, and that's expected as although our devices are basically the same, not all electronic devices are created equal.
And have to add, I have previously used 3 flagship devices from Samsung (older ones) and Sony and no, the community there wasn't even close to this.
Nah..the point of the experiment is great, a lil bit controvery move but I agree with them.
But I don't like some part of their last statement that seems attacking purecaf dev, as far as I know srf never talk bad about them, It is some users and adi (bootlegger dev) who mock derp because rom devs change to purecaf, but once again afaik srf never do that.
In the end everyone react very poorly in this situation, looking for someone to blame in this situation is not a solution.
We (user and dev) must respect each other, mocking other dev is never good, even it is only a joke.
Sir i think derp kernel mad because everyone changing from him
alexmason90 said:
Sir i think derp kernel mad because everyone changing from him
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Nah, it was much more than that, it pre-dates even this situation with PureCAF.
Guys, you'll need to see the wider picture, PureCAF kernel was not the problem, it was just the last straw. The problem lies within the community, in the nagging users themselves and the pressure they have been putting on devs.
I was expecting something similiar, I'm even surprised that it took this long, however the handling of the situation could have been better, I admit.
It's just some little kids fight, almost funny to watch actually. Ambitious and jealous people are like this, they have a tense nature.
Also, I don't believe XDA management is compotent enough. Even the website is using an outdated design and broken some parts.
Anyway, this was surely interesting to watch.
I've not read every single post, but none the less:
I've been with XDA since March of 2011. I lurked at least a year or so before that. I joined with my first smartphone ever, the HTC Desire. With every smartphone i've owned since, i was active in their respective forums. And from my personal (non scientific) feelings, the XDA community has been getting progressively "worse". I fondly remember the days where we spend days and weeks in threads talking about how to get android 4 to boot on hopefully outdated Hardware. Minor achievements where shared, several people where collectively working on something while having a nice and technical discussion. I loved coming here to hang out with the geeks and talk about the things i enjoy most.
But lately, i've just not bothered. It might be because it's my first Xiaomi, and the community is different from Samsung or HTC. I have not logged in in over 4 weeks and after coming back today i have not found a single thread that's actually usefull. Sure, Rom Releases are nice, but it feels a lot like Linux Distributions. All the same stuff with a different wallpaper and name on it. I won't **** on anyone actually putting his work out here. I highly appreciate that. But i feel the Gold Rush of Android development is done. And now here we are, complaining about what devs should and shouldn't do, and making the 100th thread about what rom has the best batterylife. I feel like most people that come here don't even care to do the bare minimum of research. That's frustrating. This used to be a place for people who enjoyed mobile devices and hacking on them as a hobby. Not a customer support forum for people not getting 20 hours of Screen on Time.
Yes, releasing a ROM with advertised changes you didn't make, and in the process using a devs name for work he didn't do is not a nice move. I can see where they are coming from and why they did what they did. It used to be a major offense against the devs to even ask for Features or ETAs. It was just not tolerated basically. We are basically doing open source development here. Want something done? Well bad luck. Do it yourself or wait for someone to do it. You are not paying anyone to do the work. Be greatfull for what our devs do and stop asking for more. If you want more, or faster, do it yourself.
I personally don't get anything of value out of XDA anymore. I've always been here to be part of the process. To be at the forefront of what's possible in mobile tech. I wanted experimental stuff and see things break for the sake of it. I enjoyed talking to devs about the process and getting insight into what's happening behind the scenes. I never came to XDA for the "best battery backup rom" out there. This is a community of interested people. Not a customer Support forum.
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it's not your personal feelings, it's the true fact
I think all the old users here feel the same, I've learnt alooooooooot from this community and I'm really grateful to everyone I've got something from him but now everything is really weird!
And i really liked this "Rom Releases are nice, but it feels a lot like Linux Distributions. All the same stuff with a different wallpaper and name on it" , it's like we are in Olympics, tons of ROMS and sharing the same bugs and sometimes full of bugs like the earlier releases of every android pie ROM here once Pie was out, why everyone was in a hurry to give a full of bugs ROM? glory or first Pie ROM maybe? instead of squashing the bugs and giving 3 or 4 perfect ROMS every day a new ROM with the same ****, and it's not only that, half of the ROMS now have 3 versions, the official, the modded or unofficial one and the one on telegram (the new disaster on XDA) WTF? and 90% of the developers here are not responding to any inquiries, yeah, i can clearly notice that.
Why they aren't working together and give their best instead of this mess if they really want to serve this community? I've seen many users here complain that they are confused and don't know which is better or with less bugs or will get regular updates.....etc.
About (the majority) on this community i think there's no need to talk since i really get bored and nothing will ever change here, sad but true.
And finally a new dev came here and gave us a prefect kernel and now he is involved without making any mistake, his crime is that he refused to see his work is being used from the others and without even asking or mentioning him, LOL!
Everything is getting worse here, and unfortunately from all not only the users.
Btw, Thanks for this post :good:
One quick reply: the general decline in the community is not specific for XDA, it is a general phenomena concerning the internet. In the beginning mostly the geeks and nerds used the internet. Now everyone is literally always online. Of course this includes all the idiots and a...holes, too.
And because most people think that nobody knows who they are while posting on the internet, civility went down the drain, too.
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One quick reply: the general decline in the community is not specific for XDA, it is a general phenomena concerning the internet. In the beginning mostly the geeks and nerds used the internet. Now everyone is literally always online. Of course this includes all the idiots and a...holes, too.
And because most people think that nobody knows who they are while posting on the internet, civility went down the drain, too.
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Since we are in a general talk topic I just want to say that this is the best and the KISS explanation ever given in forum. This really small paragraph you wrote can easily explain on it's own what happened to all technical communities!!!