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Is your Web browsing extremely slow?

Everything on my 300 works excellent except web browsing. Does anyone else have this issue? It's getting to the point to where I want to sell it!
Web pages seem to load slower than on my phone. Has anyone else noticed this?
Is it a problem with the Nvidia chipset? Or is it something Asus can fix with a software update?
I am hoping I don't have a lemon.

I have been having this same issue, actually. I was just talking to the co-worker who sold me this tablet over the Prime and was expressing my concern with the really slow web browsing. Disclaimer, though, that I'm using Google Chrome to browse, not the stock browser. I was encouraged to try Opera and other browsers before condemning this device to slow browsing, so perhaps that would help us both?
I'm also in the process of rooting mine so -hopefully- the custom ROM's I install will have some performance tweaks.

Browsing seemed slow in both stock and Firefox. Tried Chrome and it seamed slow too.
On Boat browser now and it is really snappy. About as fast as my desktop. I really like the ability to import bookmarks from HTML files. Have Firefox synced to my desktop but like Boat better.

software tune up
I'm pretty sure that they just don't use the whole 100% tegra3 can give yet.
From my experience the custom + open source based ROMs usually perform better than stock.

this is probably due to slow IO performance ( internal storage)
look at the prime forums , prime has the same problem.
cfq io scheduler makes it better (kernel mod), browser2ram fixes this because it does not cache on disk but in ram..
asus is looking into this but most people believe that asus uses cheap/slow memory chips/controllers....

if you rootyour device, you can use this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25286407&postcount=61
it works extremly good

black_impact said:
if you rootyour device, you can use this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25286407&postcount=61
it works extremly good
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I was reading about that. From what I have heard it works really well. I also heard through some rumors that ASUS will be addressing this in their next update. Although it is just rumors and who knows how long until the next update.

What I find to be a problem is the freezing and hiccups which occur on large webpages. Frequently I'll see the 'This program has stopped responding' message, forcing me to click on the wait button. I really hope a firmware fix will address this - it appears on all browsers for me. My Galaxy Note is far faster than my TF300 at loading sites. It's very frustrating.
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Tempie007 said:
this is probably due to slow IO performance ( internal storage)
look at the prime forums , prime has the same problem.
cfq io scheduler makes it better (kernel mod), browser2ram fixes this because it does not cache on disk but in ram..
asus is looking into this but most people believe that asus uses cheap/slow memory chips/controllers....
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Yep the IO performance sucks, hopefully we will get custom kernels soon, or asus will fix this who knows.

Yep just rooted and downloaded the apk. It's almost necessary. Chrome runs so much better right off the bat. I will say though that you do lose all your previous browser settings but it's 100% worth it.

jgaf said:
Yep the IO performance sucks, hopefully we will get custom kernels soon, or asus will fix this who knows.
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Yea i hope asus finds a way fix this , some improvements can be made with a different io scheduler such as cfq however this will not improve raw speed, which is still terrible.
The sqlite benchmark shows us extreme bad performance especially on the 1000 inserts, 70 seconds where other devices are done in less than 1 second. I find it hard to believe that this is caused by memory chips itself , we are talking about hundred times worse?"
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Guys. Thanks for the help. I have only tried Boat browser so far and I have noticed it is a bit faster than all the other browsers I've tried so far. Not perfect by any means, but better.
I will try those other methods later this week.
What are the odds Asus fixes this issue?
How come there aren't more complaints about this in the TF300 forum? Or does this not affect every tablet?
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Has anyonec changed the performance settings to Performance Mode and noticed a difference? Seemed like I did.

On some web pages I can swipe the page, and then count to two before it actually moves. Then swipe again nothing. Then a couple of seconds later the page moves!
Like the web page is stuck in jello. Really Frustrating.
I kind of hope that the Transformer Infinity uses something other than Tegra 3 as has been suggested. Not sure I want to take a chance on another Tegra 3 device just yet.

black_impact said:
if you rootyour device, you can use this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25286407&postcount=61
it works extremly good
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This has worked wonders with the speed of the stock browser. Thanks for pointing us to the link
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Anyone tried this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1714253 it was made for the prime fw. 28, maybe it will work on the 300
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The best thing to do is browser2ram, period.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25286407
second best to do is to use the cfq scheduler which is included in certain custom kernels.
and further lets wait for asus, my guess is that they will use cfq scheduler in the near future ...

Is there a 1 click root available? I have never used adb. I'm too noobish.
I've rooted several phones with 1 click root, never done a root the way they suggest.
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Zdidge said:
Is there a 1 click root available? I have never used adb. I'm too noobish.
I've rooted several phones with 1 click root, never done a root the way they suggest.
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I got mine yesterday and its already rooted. All I did was install the asus pc suite for the driver. Then be sure to close Asus Sync in the system tray. Then I used this method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1711678
It was more like 5 clicks but took all of two minutes.

I put these drivers on my pc, correct?
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[Info] Possible fix for I/O issues

Here's a nice thread about a possible solution for I/O issues/bottleneck.The topic is for the Transformer Prime but i guess the devs in here will also found interesting infos.

Pretoriano80 said:
Here's a nice thread about a possible solution for I/O issues/bottleneck.The topic is for the Transformer Prime but i guess the devs in here will also found interesting infos.
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What issues? I don't experience any issues anymore with the .26 update. I am rooted and unlocked, but I haven't done anything to improve on that part. In .22 it was quite necessary, but ASUS has done a good job with .26.

+1
It's been pretty OK since the update.
And I don't think that moving all data to an external microSD card is such a good idea, I'd rather depend on internal storage, I want my SD to be totally removable.
I'd like to know more about this SQL patch though, but they don't provide much info really.
BTW, there's a typo in your link (no colon after http).

firetech said:
What issues? I don't experience any issues anymore with the .26 update. I am rooted and unlocked, but I haven't done anything to improve on that part. In .22 it was quite necessary, but ASUS has done a good job with .26.
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I agree with you, my tablet also work quiet nice with .26 but if you look at the benchmarks the internal storage on our tablet is very slow compared with other old and new devices.
With the above kernel mode we could use external storage for /DATA and /CACHE partition and gain a substantial speed increase.
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d14b0ll0s said:
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It's been pretty OK since the update.
And I don't think that moving all data to an external microSD card is such a good idea, I'd rather depend on internal storage, I want my SD to be totally removable.
I'd like to know more about this SQL patch though, but they don't provide much info really.
BTW, there's a typo in your link (no colon after http).
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Here's more info regarding that sql patch

Pretoriano80 said:
Here's more info regarding that sql patch
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Ok, so this simply disables fsync, not something I'll be doing anytime soon, at least until the reboot issues are completely solved (I'll be happy with 30 days uptime).
Plus, this is not the greatest idea on a device that had some I/O issues, as it seems sync is even more needed with it.

I don't think the infinity needs an external SD card, it's fast enough and even scoring better than his prime with external SD card.
This is my stock infinity:

That's not really testing the part that fails horribly though. Where our storage performs miserably is random writes. It's around 40-50 IOPS and under 200kB/s. Absolutely ridiculous for a flagship device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29660695&postcount=25

I'm amazed that folks are happy with the performance on .26. It is better than .22 but performance is still pretty terrible for me compared to my other devices. If you guys use Browser2ram or disable fsync in sqlite you'll realize just how slow this thing still is. In my opinion, buying a fast microSD card(harder than you think for random access) and moving /data and /cache is the best option.

I am noticing pretty slow browsing, pages load terribly slowly. I've tried chrome, Firefox and built in browser. While I agree there has been some improvement, i still get pretty noticeable stutters in ICS.
I mean this tablet has pretty much the best specs on the market...quad core, clocked @ 1.6 and a gig of ram with a substantial internal hd. It would seem to me that there is still a lot of untapped horse power.
That said, early adopters of new technology should often expect some quirks at the beginning, i know i did. Asus has always been great about getting updates out fast for other hardware i have purchased.
I personally feel that with a little patience, we will not only get our fixes and jelly bean, but some great devs making new ROM'S that will really showcase the performance we can expect from this device.
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urrlyx said:
That's not really testing the part that fails horribly though. Where our storage performs miserably is random writes. It's around 40-50 IOPS and under 200kB/s. Absolutely ridiculous for a flagship device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29660695&postcount=25
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But it's not getting better with the partition moving?! Haven't seen a single Androbench screenshot which shows a big improvement on random writes.

paysen said:
But it's not getting better with the partition moving?! Haven't seen a single Androbench screenshot which shows a big improvement on random writes.
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Which is why we don't think moving it helps at all.

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Which is why we don't think moving it helps at all.
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So why are you quoting my post with the benchmark where I say that moving to the SD card wouldn't be helpful for the TF700? :angel:

paysen said:
So why are you quoting my post with the benchmark where I say that moving to the SD card wouldn't be helpful for the TF700? :angel:
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Only because that benchmark doesn't show the problem in question. Wasn't trying to disagree with you. =)

urrlyx said:
Only because that benchmark doesn't show the problem in question. Wasn't trying to disagree with you. =)
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Thats what I misunderstood :silly: So when moving to a fast sd card won't help - maybe a software fix can help there to boost it up :fingers-crossed:

Im not complaining cause i fricking love this tablet but shouldnt these issues been caught during development and testing by Asus? I understand a few small issues may slip through but not something as glaring as some of the I/O problems. Did they not download and install an app while multitasking? lol. Dont get me wrong i am in no way bashing them and would still buy this tablet if i could do it over again.... I'm just not very familiar with the [email protected] process for something like this. Do they just accept a few flaws in order to bring it to market as soon as possible and work hard to push updates?
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cctaylor410 said:
Im not complaining cause i fricking love this tablet but shouldnt these issues been caught during development and testing by Asus? I understand a few small issues may slip through but not something as glaring as some of the I/O problems. Did they not download and install an app while multitasking? lol. Dont get me wrong i am in no way bashing them and would still buy this tablet if i could do it over again.... I'm just not very familiar with the [email protected] process for something like this. Do they just accept a few flaws in order to bring it to market as soon as possible and work hard to push updates?
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To be honest this is 1 million dollars question but only Asus (QA department maybe?) can answer. Anyway they already did a good job with the latest update and compared with previous firmwares the tablet is much better and the lag issue many users seems to be gone.
The bad part is the internal memory overall performance because imo that is just poor hardware quality and you don't expect to have such a poor hardware on a high-end device like that.
So if Asus doesn't prove the contrary (but i hope they do) this become a pure hw design flaw and there's not much we could do about it... we will have a nice "bottleneck" on this tablet.
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The poor random I/O performance is not limited to the Infinity. The entire line of Transformer tablets is plagued with this issue. Most likely Asus is just making a poor choice when they choose their emmc chips. Part of the problem is that emmc is the same stuff that goes into a sdcard and sdcards are generally designed with fast sequential performance with little regard for IOPs and random performance since most sdcards end up in cameras where most files are 1MB+ in size and you're usually only writing one file at a time.

I think Dees_Troy is correct, we just don't really have a full fledged SSD controller in tablets yet
The controller is more like the first gen ssd controllers that we had for sdd hdds
I guess with software optimization by ordering as much as possible the access and maybe caching more in the normal ram it could be a bit better
But in the end i think it is just pure hardware, we don't have Marvel or Sandforge ssd level controllers yet in tablets, that would make a bit more expensive and power hungry i guess.
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The sad part is my laptop HDD (not SSD) has 10 times Infinity's random write and one would expect more from a flash chip.

Does the Tf300 have the I/O issues of the Tf700?

I have the tf700 and the lagginess caused by I/O is driving me nuts. The latest update hlped at first but now i am not sure, becuase the lagginess especially with browsers are still there. That may be due to the Tegra 3 on a 1080p screen vs. 720p screen?
Does the TF300 have the same I/O issues?

Yes, if you are rooted you can try Browser2Ram to fix the browsing bug. My tf300 is smooth, but I also use a custom rom.
I had the Acer A700 and it was laggy as hell, so I am going to guess the 1080p screen may be too much for the Tegra3.

I rooted my device and used the minor tweaks & speed adjustments that are in the development section. Also installed browser2ram. Still not flawless but much better.

There's a link somewhere in this forum that asus has recognized the issue and is working on a fix. I don't know if thats completely true or not but is still nice to hear. With the tf700 you will eventually have some good kernels i'm sure which will allow you to mount /cache /system to your sd card which will greatly improve your I/O especially if you have a class 10 sd card since they have quicker read/write speeds than the internal memory!
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^^
I've read the same thing, Asus working on an I/O fix.

10010110 said:
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I've read the same thing, Asus working on an I/O fix.
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Here's a blog post regarding this fix. No sources listed, though: http://mark-tech.blogspot.com/2012/08/tf201-update-coming-to-address-io.html

Is the IO issue a stock rom issue? I have been using Jellybean for a while and don't notice any lag.

Turbojugend said:
Is the IO issue a stock rom issue? I have been using Jellybean for a while and don't notice any lag.
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AFAIK as I know the I/O issue is due to stock kernel not stock rom. As of now there aren't any custom kernels out there for the TF300, so the improvement in performance you see is due to tweaks done by the rom dev and JB being faster as is. I don't have lags either and I'm on rooted stock rom with a couple of tweaks.
Run a benchmark and look at your writing and reading speed of the internal sdcard and SQlite scores. You will see that they all score very low compared to other devices. You will notice lag when for example extracting a large zip archive (1gb) from and to the internal sdcard.

Recent htc one x 4.0.4 OTA dramatically improved performance, noticed almost 1000 points more in quadrant mostly in the I/O area....so yes it' s software and yes can be fixed via updated
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browser2ram i noticed the difference on my tf300 (stock) right after reboot
this is a must have app
MUUUUST!! :good:

fred99u said:
browser2ram i noticed the difference on my tf300 (stock) right after reboot
this is a must have app
MUUUUST!! :good:
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Any link to download and "how to"
Envoyé depuis mon ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T avec Tapatalk

okrasitna said:
Any link to download and "how to"
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Search is your friend, my man: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25286407

in case anyone else needs the file, here it is!
Asus should make this an official ota update
speeds up more than just the browser
at least for me it did

Disk Scheduler to use on JB

Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not the JB update helped with some of the IO issues of if JB uses a different / better disk scheduling method?
What is everyone using and what's recommended (post JB update)
Thanks!
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amenic said:
Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not the JB update helped with some of the IO issues of if JB uses a different / better disk scheduling method?
What is everyone using and what's recommended (post JB update)
Thanks!
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It feels faster, but I have no benchmarks (as I do not believe in simple numbers as compared to user experience). Only the first release used noop as a scheduler, and the first update changed it to cfq (which still is the default on JB stock). It depends a lot on your specific usage pattern (and file transfer size), so I'd recommend changing it around for a bit and just get a feel for which one is performing better in your specific case. You can change it back at any time, so it carries no risk.

MartyHulskemper said:
It feels faster, but I have no benchmarks (as I do not believe in simple numbers as compared to user experience). Only the first release used noop as a scheduler, and the first update changed it to cfq (which still is the default on JB stock). It depends a lot on your specific usage pattern (and file transfer size), so I'd recommend changing it around for a bit and just get a feel for which one is performing better in your specific case. You can change it back at any time, so it carries no risk.
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Thanks - What app are you using to change scheduling mode? I thought ATP Tweak was deprecated with JB and I don't know of any other way (i'll keep looking)...

amenic said:
Thanks - What app are you using to change scheduling mode? I thought ATP Tweak was deprecated with JB and I don't know of any other way (i'll keep looking)...
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I believe both CM10 and AOKP ROMs -- which I was testing -- allow it out of the box (somewhere under Device Settings or in the ROM Control part). I'll try and think of some apps that could do this for you -- gotta split, off to work. ; )
EDIT: Forgot to mention I played around with in CM10/AOKP, but I did not notice a significant change in anything. Takes a bit more testing, though, but I'm back on CleanROM 2.0 for today -- the physical keyboard's shortcut keys are broken on CM10/AOKP, which is supremely annoying during my train commute. : )

MartyHulskemper said:
I believe both CM10 and AOKP ROMs -- which I was testing -- allow it out of the box (somewhere under Device Settings or in the ROM Control part). I'll try and think of some apps that could do this for you -- gotta split, off to work. ; )
EDIT: Forgot to mention I played around with in CM10/AOKP, but I did not notice a significant change in anything. Takes a bit more testing, though, but I'm back on CleanROM 2.0 for today -- the physical keyboard's shortcut keys are broken on CM10/AOKP, which is supremely annoying during my train commute. : )
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Yea I was scared to unlock when I was on ICS (the failure rate on these things is so high and I didn't want to void warranty) but now that I've upgraded to JB I definitely want to but now I'm waiting for an unlock tool from ASUS That supports JB.
I need a way to tinker from stock - This isn't something that's like in build.prop is it?

amenic said:
Yea I was scared to unlock when I was on ICS (the failure rate on these things is so high and I didn't want to void warranty) but now that I've upgraded to JB I definitely want to but now I'm waiting for an unlock tool from ASUS That supports JB.
I need a way to tinker from stock - This isn't something that's like in build.prop is it?
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Many ppl here is still using the ICS unlock tool and it works perfectly on JB.

I probably didn't take enough hard data for it to be a definitive statement but, by recollection, my Quadrant I/O scores improved by 15 to 20% from ICS to JB. Definitely significant enough to notice.

Some benchmark points missing

Hi everybody!
I am in a situation described somewhat by the title. My tf700 is so freakin' tweaked that the last thing I can do is grab a class 10 microSD card and do the I/O fix (not done yet). I am on CROMI 3.3 (rooted, unlocked, but this is obvious ), OC kernel by _that with the ROW addon, which came just after Clemsyns kernel, so the performance mode is even more kick-ass, as it stayed after kernel flash. Fsync disabled, lag fix applied. Yeah, pretty much everything except I/O fix. The problem is my top bemchmark result is about 6700, while I expect ~7150 (well, some users with same specs as mine get ~7150). Done right after a coldboot, with all the useless apps killed, forced GPU. I don't really care abot the result, but it seems like there is some performance potential missing, yet to be used... Would be really nice if someone would be able to point out the reason of this.
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post a screenshot as an attachment so some good samaritan can see the cpu / io / memory / 2d /3d figures... and which one is low...

wnerw said:
Hi everybody!
I am in a situation described somewhat by the title. My tf700 is so freakin' tweaked that the last thing I can do is grab a class 10 microSD card and do the I/O fix (not done yet). I am on CROMI 3.3 (rooted, unlocked, but this is obvious ), OC kernel by _that with the ROW addon, which came just after Clemsyns kernel, so the performance mode is even more kick-ass, as it stayed after kernel flash. Fsync disabled, lag fix applied. Yeah, pretty much everything except I/O fix. The problem is my top bemchmark result is about 6700, while I expect ~7150 (well, some users with same specs as mine get ~7150). Done right after a coldboot, with all the useless apps killed, forced GPU. I don't really care abot the result, but it seems like there is some performance potential missing, yet to be used... Would be really nice if someone would be able to point out the reason of this.
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Seems like you're not hitting 1800 OC, can you download "cpu spy" and see if you actually hit 1800 in performance mode? and make sure you set your governor to "interactive".

Yeah, haha, I can't post pictures in this forum, cause XDA Premium app says so. Neither can I post URLs as I am still below 10 posts. Anyway, I'm using interactive governor. According to cpu spy my tf700 uses every frequency with no problem.
My latest benchmark results (I updated bootloader today):
Overall - 6909
CPU - 16475
Mem - 4273
I/O - 10648
2D - 833
3D - 2318
CPU result seems quite high, ain't it? I think that 2D is the problem, though I haven't compared it yet...
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6400+ is great performance. Quadrant is not a very good consistent bench marker. You can run it 10 times and get scores wildly varying by 500 points. I couldn't get over 7000 for 2 days. Thought something was up and then suddenly with no changes 7200.
Don't worry about it. Does the ROM feel quick?

sbdags said:
6400+ is great performance. Quadrant is not a very good consistent bench marker. You can run it 10 times and get scores wildly varying by 500 points. I couldn't get over 7000 for 2 days. Thought something was up and then suddenly with no changes 7200.
Don't worry about it. Does the ROM feel quick?
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Good a true words ^^^
I get low scores with Quadrant, yet I don't believe them because 3.3 CROMi is very smooth and shows no indications of stutter.
Been said a billion times "it's all all about user experience."