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Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
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sanumaj said:
Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
Disassembly pics
hXXp://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-x-torn-down-take-a-peek-inside/
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Good question
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Oh man, I'll be so pissed if that turns out to be the case. If so, why would they give the XL only 16GB when the Tegra edition has 32?
Maybe the difference in price between the S4 and T3 is the same as a 16GB mSD card and 32GB. There's always trade-offs to be made in hardware design. HTC probably wanted to keep the phone below a certain threshold regarding component cost.
sanumaj said:
Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
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hXXp://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-x-torn-down-take-a-peek-inside/
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I was wondering the same thing the other day. I love almost everything I'm seeing about this phone but the 16GB (actually, only about 12GB usable) thing is really making me hesitant to buy it. Too bad the captions in the pictures aren't translated!
I don't see any microsd or microsd slot in any of those pics. Internal memory is usually a soldered chip on the board. Would be pretty difficult to swap those out.
sanumaj said:
Though I was holding out for the S3, could not help pass off a $49 upgrade on the HTC One X. I have seen disassembly pics of the HTC One X and am wondeing if they use a microSD card for the internal memory (like Samsung did for Captivate? ) and if it would be possible to swap out the memory card with a cloned say 32 gb / 64 gb card?
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hXXp://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-x-torn-down-take-a-peek-inside/
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Actually, none of the Samsung phones ever used internal microSD cards. Samsung phones always use NAND chips (Captivate included).
In the past, HTC always use miroSD cards for internal storage. But it may have changed recently. Who knows.
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Internal memory is usually a soldered chip on the board. Would be pretty difficult to swap those out.
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Yes, and the solder joints are usually tiny on the chips. Very difficult to do by hand (if not almost impossible), with little room for error.
The words in simplified Chinese are simply describing how to take the phone apart. The original pictures are a part of a series of pictures teaching you how to take apart the phone and the text are things like "The camera is connected to the main circuit board, so be sure to be careful when disassembling." I went through all of the pictures on the original site and none of it mentions where data storage is.
lilhyper said:
The words in simplified Chinese are simply describing how to take the phone apart. The original pictures are a part of a series of pictures teaching you how to take apart the phone and the text are things like "The camera is connected to the main circuit board, so be sure to be careful when disassembling." I went through all of the pictures on the original site and none of it mentions where data storage is.
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Thanks for taking time to review the pics and the translations.. Its a shame that HTC decided to skimp on the internal memory and provide no expandable options. Suspect att strategy involves increased dependence on cloud storage that would force users to increase data consumption... Chi ching!
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Since the at&t version only has 16 gb, does anyone have the ACTUAL real storage space? Does it end up being like 14.92 gigs or something? This phone looks really sweet, but I currently have about 12-13 gigs of music on my captivate and the 16gb could pose as a real annoyance.
It is a nand chip, so no hidden microsd slot.
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It is a nand chip, so no hidden microsd slot.
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Thanks for the confirmation DG.
On a different note, I have been following you since the captivate days. Love your work and am a big fan.
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JayFReaZy said:
Since the at&t version only has 16 gb, does anyone have the ACTUAL real storage space? Does it end up being like 14.92 gigs or something? This phone looks really sweet, but I currently have about 12-13 gigs of music on my captivate and the 16gb could pose as a real annoyance.
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9.93 usable, 2 for apps
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JayFReaZy said:
Since the at&t version only has 16 gb, does anyone have the ACTUAL real storage space? Does it end up being like 14.92 gigs or something? This phone looks really sweet, but I currently have about 12-13 gigs of music on my captivate and the 16gb could pose as a real annoyance.
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Google Music is probably the only realistic solution for you... Stream some music and pick and choose what to keep on your phone.
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Google Music is probably the only realistic solution for you... Stream some music and pick and choose what to keep on your phone.
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Would use data plan if not on wifi. Still if you are 3GB or more with att should be doable with moderate use
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sanumaj said:
Thanks for taking time to review the pics and the translations.. Its a shame that HTC decided to skimp on the internal memory and provide no expandable options. Suspect att strategy involves increased dependence on cloud storage that would force users to increase data consumption... Chi ching!
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WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! I completely bet this was ATT's decision.
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9.93 usable, 2 for apps
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Thanks for the info, but WOW is that a small amount of space. I have close to 5GB on just pictures and videos alone.
I was thinking about google music, however, I mostly listen to music while in the subway; which means no reception/wifi. I had my sights on getting this phone, I guess I may need more time to think about it. If HTC was able to put a slot for a microSIM, why not a micro SD as well? . But, like someone stated in an earlier post, I'm sure it is to force people to use the cloud, which uses data, and ultimately creates overages.
I've been waiting to see a teardown to see if replacing the nand would be possible. If it was that would make a huge market for broken International One-X boards. I can't judge by the pictures if it's possible. Usually on a teardown there's at least 20 pics.
As far as AT&T's plan and why they knocked us down to essentially 10 gigs..
You had one thing right when you said cloud dependency, but I think it goes much further than that. Think of the 23GB free Dropbox space they're giving us all, the Google Music they are all undoubtedly expecting us to use. It's the precursor to their future attempt to hold your data hostage! What are you going to do if you don't pay your bill and your service goes out? You can't access your dropbox on the go, you can't stream your music through Google Play. They know that nobody wants to actually fill that measly 10 gigs with music. It's an attempt to get you more motivated to pay your monthly bill, and to extend your contract for another two years once this one is up. It's funny how they give you 23 gigs on your dropbox for 2 years, the same as your contract length. Something tells me that extending your contract will get you another 2 years once it's up. It might look like simple marketing, but honestly it's quite shady of them.
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I've been waiting to see a teardown to see if replacing the nand would be possible. If it was that would make a huge market for broken International One-X boards. I can't judge by the pictures if it's possible. Usually on a teardown there's at least 20 pics.
As far as AT&T's plan and why they knocked us down to essentially 10 gigs..
You had one thing right when you said cloud dependency, but I think it goes much further than that. Think of the 23GB free Dropbox space they're giving us all, the Google Music they are all undoubtedly expecting us to use. It's the precursor to their future attempt to hold your data hostage! What are you going to do if you don't pay your bill and your service goes out? You can't access your dropbox on the go, you can't stream your music through Google Play. They know that nobody wants to actually fill that measly 10 gigs with music. It's an attempt to get you more motivated to pay your monthly bill, and to extend your contract for another two years once this one is up. It's funny how they give you 23 gigs on your dropbox for 2 years, the same as your contract length. Something tells me that extending your contract will get you another 2 years once it's up. It might look like simple marketing, but honestly it's quite shady of them.
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http://fashion.pconline.com.cn/mobile/1204/2754053.html
If you go to the original article, there are 21 picks but it's not that helpful. The article is in Chinese but pictures are pictures. Most of the words say things like "screw here", etc.
It should be noted that this is the international version of the HTC One X.
Hi,
I just bought HTC One X yesterday from AT&T for $199. After I went back to home, I found that the Phone Storage of my htc one x is only 9.93GB. That's TOOOOOO small for a smart phone without removable SD card availability.
Is there any problem with my phone? Or is it the way it is?
So sad now.... I even want to return my phone and change to Samsung Galaxy SIII....
10GB Storage...
Return it straight away that is way too small and must be a mistake
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post in the AT&T forum. this is the international one and the international HOX comes with 32gb, not 16
1stpKlosr said:
Hi,
I just bought HTC One X yesterday from AT&T for $199. After I went back to home, I found that the Phone Storage of my htc one x is only 9.93GB. That's TOOOOOO small for a smart phone without removable SD card availability.
Is there any problem with my phone? Or is it the way it is?
So sad now.... I even want to return my phone and change to Samsung Galaxy SIII....
10GB Storage...
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That is the correct amount of storage for the att one x.
This is the wrong forum. Here we have the One X International.
You can check your "sd" card with your PC. Make checkdisk of the storage connected to your PC. Don't know if the at&t has the same issues with bad sectors. But when this is the problem, then format the drive with fat32.
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yup wrong forum
Confusion....
there seems to be some confusion regarding branding.
I hate saying this, sounds like i'm bragging because i start every post like this.....
I'm in New Zealand, i have both versions of device, I started referring to them as the Quad, and the Twin... for obvious reasons.
Down here,
The OneX is the quad, in white, its 30gb, 25gb or there about available to the user...
The OneXL is the Twin, in black, I'm not sure of total storage now that i think about it, but i know i have approximately 10g available to me.
I've tested a hand full of roms over the last 10 days, all the mods that have worked for the twincore i have had to get from the AT&T forum.
If 1stpKlosr is correct that he has the AT&T version, he has the correct amount of drive space, and the correct forum too
hope that helps straighten it out.
Cheers
and you know, its not that big of a deal.....
In most cases we all have access to our PCs everyday. I personally run a FTP server, My personal cloud if you like. hundreds of gig of **** at my finger tips. others use drop-box or other such services.
That 10 gig of space you have is more than adequate, and a totally manageable size. I couldn't imagine needing much more than that on a day to day basis.
Funny thing, a guy at work showed me a full page ad in a magazine from 2004 showing a SDcard, the ad was singing its praises over having reached the considered unreachable 1gig! ... this wasn't even a microSD, it was one of those old square inch size fukernauts too. LoL...
1stpKlosr said:
Hi,
I just bought HTC One X yesterday from AT&T for $199. After I went back to home, I found that the Phone Storage of my htc one x is only 9.93GB. That's TOOOOOO small for a smart phone without removable SD card availability.
Is there any problem with my phone? Or is it the way it is?
So sad now.... I even want to return my phone and change to Samsung Galaxy SIII....
10GB Storage...
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Mine is the same way. AT&T one x. I tried to factory reset. Nothing. It's normal. But sucks. It's not enough gigs
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If you note under storage, theres 2.2gb reserved for apps as 'internal' storage and 10gb available for anything else. The rest is used by the system. Its the same way with pc's. It might have a TB drive, but you'll never have that much available.
This again??? This question gets asked weekly or more. Please just do a search next time before starting new threads that have already been answered many times.
redpoint73 said:
This again??? This question gets asked weekly or more. Please just do a search next time before starting new threads that have already been answered many times.
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Yes, and it will happen again and again and ag... well, you get the point. Just wait until the HOX gets a price cut, then it's going to be bonkers.
what supprises me....
... is that you guys go into these deals totally blind, obviously without reading any of the specs or doing any research.... then come to the forum to complain about it.
that's classic!
I'm wondering if when we get S-off and kernel source we can free up more space and get it back maybe with repartitioning.
DrownedElf said:
If you note under storage, theres 2.2gb reserved for apps as 'internal' storage and 10gb available for anything else. The rest is used by the system. Its the same way with pc's. It might have a TB drive, but you'll never have that much available.
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Flash drives are very different from disk drives.
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Tseven_HTC said:
... is that you guys go into these deals totally blind, obviously without reading any of the specs or doing any research.... then come to the forum to complain about it.
that's classic!
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It's advertised as having 16 GB storage. If available storage was 14 gb I doubt there would be an issue. But wtf is htc doing with 6 gb reserved? That's more than a little misleading.
Tseven_HTC said:
... is that you guys go into these deals totally blind, obviously without reading any of the specs or doing any research.... then come to the forum to complain about it.
that's classic!
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How am I going to know it is only 9GB by just doing a normal research???
The difference between 16GB and 9GB is huge. And I was aware of this version only has 16GB and had got prepared to accept it.
However, in fact, it ONLY has 9GB free to use.
My thoughts exactly.
If you want 50 gigs of cloud space head over to evo 3d general and a guy there will get you a account fo free hope that helps the deficit
Edit its a box account
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Tseven_HTC said:
there seems to be some confusion regarding branding.
I hate saying this, sounds like i'm bragging because i start every post like this.....
I'm in New Zealand, i have both versions of device, I started referring to them as the Quad, and the Twin... for obvious reasons.
Down here,
The OneX is the quad, in white, its 30gb, 25gb or there about available to the user...
The OneXL is the Twin, in black, I'm not sure of total storage now that i think about it, but i know i have approximately 10g available to me.
I've tested a hand full of roms over the last 10 days, all the mods that have worked for the twincore i have had to get from the AT&T forum.
If 1stpKlosr is correct that he has the AT&T version, he has the correct amount of drive space, and the correct forum too
hope that helps straighten it out.
Cheers
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I really would like to know the software used on the Attachments, can someone please tell me? Thanks
Good morning friends, I have a doubt. HTC One X should not have 32GB of storage?
In my own when I go in One x Storage Options in Phone Storage in Total Space 32GB out instead it shows me as a total 25.24 GB.
Will I have something wrong with my HTC One X?
thank you very much
rib.ale said:
Good morning friends, I have a doubt. HTC One X should not have 32GB of storage?
In my own when I go in One x Storage Options in Phone Storage in Total Space 32GB out instead it shows me as a total 25.24 GB.
Will I have something wrong with my HTC One X?
thank you very much
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Nothing is wrong with your HTC One X . That's correct space which is available to you "25.24" and rest is reserved for the system
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abhipati said:
Nothing is wrong with your HTC One X . That's correct space which is available to you "25.24" and rest is reserved for the system
From beast called HTC One X
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Thank you friend, I thought he should have 32gb available to the user.
But I guess I was wrong.
WOW how did you get that much storage? what kind of hacks did you do?
You most likely either have the Tegra 3 version or the Telstra version.
bloodrain954 said:
WOW how did you get that much storage? what kind of hacks did you do?
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he's either got a Tegra based model or an Australian Evita.
OH, how disappointing
I think if they say it has 32gb, 32bg should be free and not total
rib.ale said:
I think if they say it has 32gb, 32bg should be free and not total
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And a megabyte should be 1024 bytes. But that makes it sound less when you write it in the box. I bet you this thing has 31.25 actual gigs or less.
It's all about marketing. :sly:
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what STILL bugs me is that the 16 GB HOX is actually only a little more than HALF that space. That's not marketing that's lying.
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I think if they say it has 32gb, 32bg should be free and not total
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Not really, no. It has 32 Gb of internal storage. This includes all partitions (System, data, etc), not necessarily just partitions available to the user. That part is completely true, and not marketing bull****.
The marketing bull**** is that 32 GB on the box = 32,000 mb. 1 marketing GB = 1000 mb. where in reality 1 actual GB = 1024 mb.
gunnyman said:
what STILL bugs me is that the 16 GB HOX is actually only a little more than HALF that space. That's not marketing that's lying.
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this exactly. going to storage, I have 2.21gb total space internal and 9.93gb phone storage total. combined is 12.14gb total of the 16gb it says it has... really poor on HTC's part.
[un]necessary said:
this exactly. going to storage, I have 2.21gb total space internal and 9.93gb phone storage total. combined is 12.14gb total of the 16gb it says it has... really poor on HTC's part.
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Is that what happened? I thought I got the rare HTC One X 12 GB edition..
Every time a smartphone comes out, this same question and complaint comes up. Seriously, folks? The OS always takes up space. If you wanted to find out the user accessible storage before buying the device, that information is readily available online. Then, if you don't agree with the specs, don't buy the phone.
redpoint73 said:
Every time a smartphone comes out, this same question and complaint comes up. Seriously, folks? The OS always takes up space. If you wanted to find out the user accessible storage before buying the device, that information is readily available online. Then, if you don't agree with the specs, don't buy the phone.
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Redpoint of course the OS takes up space, but IMHO there's a HUGE difference between 16Gb advertised and 9.93 free.
I knew how much space I'd have when I bought the phone I just find it ridiculous that there's no "truth in advertising"
I've had 16 GB phones have 12-14 GB free and that's totally acceptable but 9.93?
That's almost HALF the advertised space.
gunnyman said:
Redpoint of course the OS takes up space, but IMHO there's a HUGE difference between 16Gb advertised and 9.93 free.
I knew how much space I'd have when I bought the phone I just find it ridiculous that there's no "truth in advertising"
I've had 16 GB phones have 12-14 GB free and that's totally acceptable but 9.93?
That's almost HALF the advertised space.
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Word!
I agree, it shouldn't be possible to market the phone as 16GB and then only have 62% of that actually useable by the consumer. It's a common practice by even Apple, but that doesn't make it right. You could complain to your local consumer representative body. In Australia there is the ACCC. If they deem the marketing to be deceptive, they can force a change across the whole industry. For example they fined Apple for deceptively advertising the New iPad as 4G, whereas its totally not compatible with Australian 4G at the time of launch.
In short, SD card is too complicated. What?!
https://plus.google.com/114892667463719782631/posts/JAAMUzx1PFX
Matias Duarte said:
Why don’t Nexus devices have SD cards?
Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it's just confusing for users.
If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated.
We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
With a Nexus you know exactly how much storage you get upfront and you can decide what’s the right size for you. That’s simple and good for users.
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When galaxy nexus was launched, It was the perfect phone for me .after I discovered that it has no external SD ,it is not my concern anymore
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lost_ said:
In short, SD card is too complicated. What?!
https://plus.google.com/114892667463719782631/posts/JAAMUzx1PFX
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The vast majority of people are not tech savvy so simple is better for Google and they will sell more. Same reasoning for the phone hybrid ui on the tablets.
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Happy to accept what google are saying, but if you wont offer the option of an SD card you probably need to up the max capacity from 16, to 32 and possible 64. Thats if you want the best product going anyway
I used to believe external SD card support is a must have. But in reality, I never needed it. And having everything in the ROM = Faster access.
TBH, I have yet to reach even 8GB let alone 16gb in my GNex.
16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
20gb of music? Wow...
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Hotte175 said:
16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
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You really need access to 20GB of music all the time? Why not use Google music to stream most of it and just keep your most listen songs on your device
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lol that's some insultingly poor marketing bs. Even Apple wouldn't make such a crappy argument to justify the removal of a very crucial and popular feature from one of their flagship devices.
If you backtrack and stop supporting something that people used to take for granted with your product, you better have a damn good reason.
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zacthespack said:
You really need access to 20GB of music all the time? Why not use Google music to stream most of it and just keep your most listen songs on your device
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Seriously?
1) capped, expensive data plans.
2) 3G/wifi are not a given for many users and usecases.
3) take longer to play a song that you already have a local copy of (why?)
4) Google Music does not have a public API and the official app sucks.
And for the record I definitely "need" at least 20 GB worth of music at any given time
It sounds like a statement Apple would issue. My old "dumb" phone had a setting for whether to save camera pics and videos on internal memory or external microSD. Is is really that hard Google, or would you rather take the Apple approach.
Here are my reasons why phones should have SD slots:
-You can get tons of cloud storage for free, but using that storage will cost a lot if you don't have unlimited data. It will also be slower to access than locally stored files.
-Programs, especially games are getting bigger. Its not uncommon to have a single game want a GB of space for its files these days. They will only continue getting bigger and that phone you just bought is stuck with the same amount of memory. It may be enough space now, but what about in a year?
-The price to buy a device with larger internal storage costs much more in $ per GB than a microSD would. Its $50 more to go from the 8GB Nexus 4 to the 16GB. Meanwhile I've seen 64gb microSDXC cards go on sale for $50.
-The memory is not stuck in one device. If I invest in a 64gb card I can take it to my next phone without paying more.
-Its very cheap for an OEM to add a microSD slot, were not asking for a lot of hardware.
Hotte175 said:
16 gb are way to low for me. i am using my device as a mp3 player and i now have about 20 gb of music on my sd card. i seriously cant follow the arguments against an sd card slot
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Dude 20GB is a LOT of music. It's probably a few days 72 hours worth of music. Don't keep it on your phone, keep about 14 hours, that's the plane ride from USA to China (halfway across the world). I can't even begin to justify the need of so much music.
I only have maybe 4 hours or so of music, that's enough for me. I don't care if a few songs repeat, it's like the radio.
EDIT assuming each 10MB file is 3 mins long, then you actually have 100 hours of music.
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When the argument becomes about how much space a consumer really needs, then the answer is obvious: let the consumer decides.
But if you are willing to concede and let the maker make the choice on storage capacity, at a time when storage has become so dirt cheap, then a good option is to buy a product whose name begins with i.
That is one weak argument from google.
Why not make the nexus 8 or 16gb as it is AND keep sd card support?
dxppxd said:
That is one weak argument from google.
Why not make the nexus 8 or 16gb as it is AND keep sd card support?
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They had reasons about being secure and faster data transfer before too, but those were also pretty weak arguments.
I would like SD cards, but that's the tradeoff for owning a Nexus, I guess.
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Yeah it's too complicated. 16GB internal storage is perfect for me.
Nexus one.
Removable battery
Sd slot.
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amandez said:
Nexus one.
Removable battery
Sd slot.
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Nexii had a removable battery until the Nexus 7, that is relatively new.
And the N1 had an internal storage of what? 300mb? If it didn't have microSD it would be one messed up phone
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Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
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Frankly, that's almost insulting to assume that we are that stupid. i chose Android over iOS why? Because I am not stupid, I do not want to be spoon-fed technology like a drooling infant. I chose android because I have a choice- I can choose what to do with my device, how I do it, everything like that. I can choose the software I want to install--and I can chose where I get that software from. I can even choose the operating system, or write one myself, if I want. That's what makes Android such a great platform. Choice, scaleability.
To just write that off as "too complicated" is absolutely...dumb. And makes me question just what the future of the android platform will be.
gagdude said:
Dude 20GB is a LOT of music. It's probably a few days 72 hours worth of music. Don't keep it on your phone, keep about 14 hours, that's the plane ride from USA to China (halfway across the world). I can't even begin to justify the need of so much music.
I only have maybe 4 hours or so of music, that's enough for me. I don't care if a few songs repeat, it's like the radio.
EDIT assuming each 10MB file is 3 mins long, then you actually have 100 hours of music.
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maybe it is a bit offtopic but imo 20gb of music is not much. i still use a mp3player (much better than using the smartphone) and there i got 8gb & 32gb (sd card).i really like to have discographies on the go of my favourite bands.
also: not everyone is using .mp3 - people also use .flac which takes a lot of space.
regarding the topic: sounds a bit stupid to me. probably the production is just cheaper this way and it makes it more difficult to put custom roms on it.
I think the google android chief is brilliant, that philosophy should be applied everywhere:
-4 doors in the car? Too confusing for the user, seal 3 doors, that way we always know how to get in and out.
-6 windows in the house? Make it just one, so we don't look out through the wrong one.
-who needs cable tv? Block all channels but one, so we don't get confused as to what's on tv.
-you have 2 kids? Send the other one to google, keep just the 1. That way you'll always know who failed their math test, or who fed the hamster to the cat.
It's a marketing strategy to get more $$$. That way they can sell very expensive gb of internal space.
FYI Samsung S4 will be featuring on BBC Watchdog over its memory claims. Details http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...may-bbc-watchdog-will-feature-the-samsung-s4/
Lets hope this makes all companies display clearer info on actual free memory.
gavinfabl said:
FYI Samsung S4 will be featuring on BBC Watchdog over its memory claims. Details http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/2...he-samsung-s4/
Lets hope this makes all companies display clearer info on actual free memory.
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Could also give people the chance to contact them about the screen problems too
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Could also give people the chance to contact them about the screen problems too
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That would be good. The S4 also has incompatibility issues with many headphones, causes audio clipping (cracks and pops)
Why are people moaning about this? I thought everyone knew manufactures advertise the maximum capacity not the available capacity. I mean it's not like some HTC without an sd card slot. I think the smearing is more of an issue.
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The smearing is an issue as is the audio clipping.
Most of the tens of millions buying the S4 won't be aware. . Any why should any company claim it has a certain memory, but then not clarify whats useable. Thats being transparent surely?
If anything I am hoping it pushes the need for 32gb versions to appear or become the minimum standard for JB.
To me its not the claiming 16 but only providing 9 usable GB, its the insinuation that you can just buy and use a microsd and the issue goes away when in fact all you can do with the msd is download content from your PC ie movies n music, I expect they'll blame Google for the change and to some degree they'll be right but it's still down to Samsung to provide more actually usable by the phone memory, it's the only real reason stopping me buying an s4 now.
Actually that's the reply I did get from Samsung. They blamed Google. That's ok, but let people know what the memory free is and about saving apps, caches etc...
They didn't as they were selling millions of devices.
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Actually that's the reply I did get from Samsung. They blamed Google. That's ok, but let people know what the memory free is and about saving apps, caches etc...
They didn't as they were selling millions of devices.
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That figures, they might get away with it as for many 16gb will be enough and a % of folk angered by the limit will swallow the Google did it spin however Sam are living off a previous good reputation hard earned IMHO this will cost them sales of the s5 and limit the longevity of s4 sales.
I dont think its acceptable because all companies have less. The 16GB N4/iPhone have 13GB free and Im sure the S3 had 12GB free. The fact the S4 uses so much up is silly. Losing a few GB isn't too bad. Losing all that is terrible.
Why do they blame google for the free space issue. Maybe samsung should put less bloatware on their phones.
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This is an issue across the board. When you buy a computer with a 500gb hard drive you get less space due to the os being installed. It's just in this case nearly 50% of the capacity is gone.
They may as well put 32gb in from now on, use up to 16gb for their os and sell it as a 16gb device.
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FYI Samsung S4 will be featuring on BBC Watchdog over its memory claims. Details http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/2...he-samsung-s4/
Lets hope this makes all companies display clearer info on actual free memory.
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Gavin, what's appended to your link?
No info found on your blog page.
Not sure what happened there but correct link is
http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...may-bbc-watchdog-will-feature-the-samsung-s4/
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Not sure what happened there but correct link is
http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...may-bbc-watchdog-will-feature-the-samsung-s4/
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Cheers.:good:
I'm not pleased about having almost half the internal storage being taken up but can someone answer me this:
If external memory can't be used for large games (supposedly goggles restrictions) why can the game 'Bards tale' install it's game data to your sd card if you choose to?
I have and the 3.5gb went on my 32gb sd.
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I'm not pleased about having almost half the internal storage being taken up but can someone answer me this:
If external memory can't be used for large games (supposedly goggles restrictions) why can the game 'Bards tale' install it's game data to your sd card if you choose to?
I have and the 3.5gb went on my 32gb sd.
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That's good news. Probably the exception rather than the rule and decent developers, and a fav game of mine. I believe Bards Tale specifically has an option that understands also the S4 partition. Sadly other games like Need for Speed MW dont do this. If you use Google Music, it caches songs into internal memory. If you rent a film from Google Play, again it goes into internal memory.
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That's good news. Probably the exception rather than the rule and decent developers, and a fav game of mine. I believe Bards Tale specifically has an option that understands also the S4 partition. Sadly other games like Need for Speed MW dont do this. If you use Google Music, it caches songs into internal memory. If you rent a film from Google Play, again it goes into internal memory.
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Thanks, so apart from Google being annoying the other game devs are perhaps being a bit lazy.
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Thanks, so apart from Google being annoying the other game devs are perhaps being a bit lazy.
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I agree. I know nfs can run if rooted and foldermount is set up to use the msd. So if developers added the option to install on to msd in their programs this wouldnt actually be as big an issue for some of us.
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Google doesn't want apps on the memory card, internal memory is better for running stuff, and I have no problem with this so long as we have a reasonable amount of internal memory to start with. I personally would love to root and use foldermount but some key apps of mine detect if phone rooted and if rooted they don't work. Bummer.
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Why are people moaning about this? I thought everyone knew manufactures advertise the maximum capacity not the available capacity. I mean it's not like some HTC without an sd card slot. I think the smearing is more of an issue.
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It is not an issue of moaning. The device was released with a fancy chipset and content providers pushing 3d and social cloud apps with a device with less than 9 gb out of the gate. To make matters worse, there is only one carrier and just in the US offering a 32gb option for the customers- that want to actually use the apps being marketed and pushed by content providers.
The big issue is both Samsung and major retailers misleading customers that the 16gb is fine, since you can install apps to the sd card. Something that Android team got rid of for two reasons. Android team hated the feature and carriers complained about the customer service cost (a lot of people did not get that swapping cards or using cheap cards was the problem).