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Kernel source has been published by HTC!

http://developer.htc.com/

Will this make S off easier?
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ajeevlal said:
Will this make S off easier?
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No S-off will only be available if HTC sell you a handset with it or you use an XTC Clip

FCW said:
No S-off will only be available if HTC sell you a handset with it or you use an XTC Clip
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Not entirely true I think, read this:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
This part in particular:
**UPDATE 8/3/2011**
Since our last update, many of you have asked how the bootloader unlocking process will actually work, and in particular why HTC's most recently released devices still have a locked bootloader. Rest assured we're making progress toward our goal to roll out the first software updates in August to support unlocking for the global HTC Sensation, followed soon by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. Because unlocking the bootloader provides extensive control over the device and modifications may cause operation, security and experience issues, new devices will continue to ship locked but will support user-initiated unlocking using a new Web-based tool.
So how will this work? The Web tool, which will launch this month, requires that you register an account with a valid e-mail address and accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty. Then plug in your phone to a computer with the Android SDK loaded to retrieve a device identifier token, which you can then enter into the Web tool to receive a unique unlock key via e-mail. Finally, apply the key to your device and unlocking will be initiated on your phone.

they have been talking since forever, personally i won't want to register myself with them just to get some unlock codes, they may use it to prevent even legitimate warranty claims...
got my own XTC clip
but i'm in SG though

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**UPDATE 8/3/2011**
Since our last update, many of you have asked how the bootloader unlocking process will actually work
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I checked this out the other day, and went through the process on my ChaCha. The line "fastboot oem get_identifier_code" doesn't work on it, so they'll need to send an updated HBOOT/recovery out via OTA if we stand any chance of an unlocked bootloader...
(fairly off-topic, apologies)

theloginwithnoname said:
I checked this out the other day, and went through the process on my ChaCha. The line "fastboot oem get_identifier_code" doesn't work on it, so they'll need to send an updated HBOOT/recovery out via OTA if we stand any chance of an unlocked bootloader...
(fairly off-topic, apologies)
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i sent a mail to htc customer care on whether chacha boot loader is in the pipe line and it looks like a 'yes' the reply is below
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: HTC <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Subject: Regarding your message (11INCW34ENA000906)
Dear ajai,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center. We are dedicated to providing you with the best quality service and answering all of your questions and concerns.
To clarify your issue, you stated that: you want to unlock Boot loader in your HTC Cha Cha.
In this regards, we would like to intimate you that we are currently developing new boot loader unlocked software for your phone. HTC is still committed to allowing our customers to unlock the boot loaders if they wish, however we are still implementing the policy and many updates were already finalized prior to our change in policy. We apologize for the inconvenience, but be assured that we are working on a solution for our customers and our commitment has not changed. Please stay tuned to our official channels for ongoing updates on how we will be implementing this policy. Thank you for your patience.
You can also call our Call Center at: 1800 103 3566
if you have further questions.
Thank you once again for your continued patronage.
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Watch this page for supported devices and htc official unlocking download tool:
http://htcdev.com/bootloader

HTC delaying on posting kernel source code

So I've been attempting to get HTC to comply with the GPL license and release the source code for the One S (one x needs it too), and I got the standard 90-120 day response. However, this isn't acceptable, as that's 90-120 violations of the GPL license, which requires that they provide it to you upon request, not "in 90-120 days".
I've responded to them again, reminding them of their duty to lawfully abide by the terms. I urge each of you to do the same, and in a calm, collected manner.
I'm not sure where your open source community requirements came from, but with all due respect, 90 to 120 days is not acceptable. I think it's important that I point out to you HTC's lawful obligation to abide by the terms of the General Public License (GPL) v2, as the Linux kernel that HTC uses for its Android phones requires that HTC release its source code immediately. As this device has now been released in at least 2 countries, HTC must follow that obligation, and in a timely manner. 90 to 120 days is in no way a timely manner, and accounts for a significant percentage of the device's realistic life as a current HTC product.
If you'll note in the GPL v2 License, there is no 90-120 day grace period for releasing source code. If HTC has provided the Linux kernel binary to any single customer (in this case, it has been delivered via many HTC One S's), then HTC is obligated to provide a copy, upon request, of that specific source code (in this case, the T-Mobile USA HTC One S). Section 3 of TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION makes clear note of these terms.
HTCdev.com has been a definite improvement on HTC's stance regarding source code distribution and openness, but there is much work that is needed to be done. In particular, the timeliness of providing source code is still troubling. HTC makes great phones, but still has a duty to the open source community. There is certainly something to gain by abiding by these terms and distributing the source code to the community. Many technology enthusiasts and developers are eager to get their hands on the code and make their own improvements. The HTC One V model, which has been released alongside the One S and One X, already has its source code posted on the HTCdev website. However, the One S and One X (all variants) are STILL lacking, and each day that HTC delays is a willful violation of the GPL.
I respectfully request that you release the source code for my device in a timely manner. It would be in the best interests of both HTC and the open source software community, and can only serve to strengthen HTC's relationship with the community.
Thank you kindly.
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Well, looks like they're eager to play ball, and I don't mean that in a good way. Any of you EU folks care to remind them that the device has been out over a month over there across the pond? The more pressure the better.
Dear Nick,
I appreciate your input concerning the availability of the kernel source codes for our Android devices. I realize that you are eager to get the source code for your device; but this device is a recent release in the US market. I would recommend you keep an eye on the HTC Developer website for further source code release information.
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well written that !!
Mind if i copy and paste it ? and re send it to them ?

Sure, my letter is "open-sourced" . Feel free to modify and make any improvements. They're trying to use the excuse that it's a recent release, yet you EU guys have had it for several weeks now, so I'm interested to see how they'll respond to you. Make sure you use your EU model in your letter.
The thing that kills me is that they think that 90-120 days is acceptable. That's 3-4 months. In 3-4 months, HTC will already be over 50% complete with some sort of new phone, and the One S will no longer be in its youthful stages. When a phone lasts you 2 yrs on average, 90-120 days is a significant period of time. One of the things that attracts developers to a phone community is the availability of the source code. Until then, interest will continue to remain what it is now.

Oh man, my first post here. Coming from a Legend, stuff's new
So, I guess I'll translate that WoT and write it to the german HTC Support, let's see their response!

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bump. maybe we could get this stickied until they release the code? Its currently a major development issue.

How long does HTC usually need to respond? Sent my request yesterday, let's hope they'll get the code to the devs as fast as possible ._.

I received a response in about 2 days.

phin586 said:
I received a response in about 2 days.
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Telling you to please wait 90-120 days? If so, respond back, remind them every single day is a willful violation of the GPL license. If they've distributed the kernel in binary form to ANY SINGLE CUSTOMER (as it is on the phone), then they're obligated to provide the source code for that specific binary. And we've got plenty of binaries out in the wild, in both the EU and US, and under multiple versions.
HTC is playing games once again, and their approach to developers is once again becoming a joke. I don't understand what's so difficult about following the rules.
Sometimes they'll even play the "it's not in a readable format" card. Only problem there is -- if it's not readable, then how on Earth did they develop it? It's gotta be readable in order to make it in the first place.

Let's see what the german support has to say about this
I'd love to see my One S being S-Off. I want that stock ICS

@nickmv, Of course I did. Hopefully it helps.
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Oh. I also reported the violation to gnu.org
I suggest you all do the same.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-violation.html

bump.
Keep hammering them, folks.

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bump.
Keep hammering them, folks.
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Someone needs to link this thread in the one X forum
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Once I get my hands on my very own One S tomorrrow I will contact the Dutch HTC. Even though I dont dislike sense at all development is in everyones best interest!
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Ah, my generic reply...
Thank you for your reply. I understand your concerns with the situation John, but rest assured that we will release the kernel source within 90 to 120 days John. We thank you for your patience while awaiting the sources to be posted, and thank you for being a part of the HTC community.
If this answers your comment or question, please click here to complete the process.
To submit another comment, please click here.
Sincerely,
The HTCDev Team
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Ok so i emailed them yesterday and this is their reply
Thanks for contacting HTC.
Reagrding your email about One X kernel source code, HTC are currently in the process of providing the HTC One X and One S Kernel Source Codes via the HTCDev website.
We have already uploaded the One V code and hope to provide the One X and One S very soon. Please keep checking the HTCDev site, http://htcdev.com, over the coming weeks for the source codes you are after.
I hope this information meets with your approval, please don't hesitate to reply if you require further assistance.
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
To send a reply to this message, please click here.
Sincerely,
Jason
HTC
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I have replied to that above message with this.
Thanks for the quick reply, However i do not understand why it is taking HTC so long to release this, The One S has been available for several weeks now, It was released before the One V and yet the Kernel source code for that phone is available.. The android community is open source, And with HTC delaying the release of the source code is breaching the conditions mentioned in the GPL. You have the code otherwise the phone wouldn't have been released, So why cant you just release it immediately? Why are you delaying it ? The longer HTC hold it, The slower development for this device is, Which is not fair on people like me who want to speed development up for this device. Telling me that the codes will be released 'in a few weeks' is barbaric I would like an estimated time frame. The main thing i want to know is why you haven't released it already. Thank you
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EDIT: Their reply to the above is:
Dear aaron maher,
Thansk for your reply.
I do appreciate your need for this data, but am not permitted to enter into speculation or personal discussion.
We have to wait for the Dev teams to upload it to the website, I can only apologise this is causing you frustration.
Please be assured, it is something there working towards and will be avaiable there soon.
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I find that extremely rude ! dont you ??

azzledazzle said:
Ok so i emailed them yesterday and this is their reply
I have replied to that above message with this.
EDIT: Their reply to the above is:
I find that extremely rude ! dont you ??
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Absolutely. Gotta remember, half of this is complete bull****. At least they're not going overboard and pulling the "it's not in readable format" crap.

azzledazzle said:
Ok so i emailed them yesterday and this is their reply
I have replied to that above message with this.
EDIT: Their reply to the above is:
I find that extremely rude ! dont you ??
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Yes, quite rude, I assume this person is the Jason who replied your first email. He must have not been trained properly regarding what customer satisfaction means nor how to reply in a professional language without copy/paste existing answers.
However, just don't piss off because of this, I have had the "honour" to visit one call centre (not HTC) and chatted to the senior manager in CS department and the front line support staff. It is a common problem that the front line customer service staff most of time do not know exactly what they are talking about nor have enough knowledge to answer non-standard question. I assume the team replying email is the same. So basically unless they ask their manager your question, you won't get satisfied answer. However, they won't because it will show that they are lack of knowledge and directly affect their appraisal.
Shame... but do send email to them so they will eventually understand how to satisfy this question.

Keep hammering at them guys!

HTC ICS Kernel & Drivers Sources

Dear All,
Are you as pissed off as I am by how HTC promised for open source and hasn't kept its promise?
I have asked their support line, on their ics blog and were in touch with HTC Officials personally. Never got an answer for that.
So here's an open letter to HTC that I am thinking.
What is the criteria to decide on which phones receive updates in what order, why some phones are given deadlines while others are "sometime later this year"
What happened to HTC's promise for open source? Why do you not release kernel and driver sources for ICS?
Why the unlocking is limited and will you provide a true unlock solution.
If there is enough attention, I would like to use social media to draw HTC's attention.
Who's with me?

Join the crew man! There are several people who are trying to contact HTC daily for these things. Also, a true unlock solution should be on your list!
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hceylan said:
Dear All,
Are you as pissed off as I am by how HTC promised for open source and hasn't kept its promise?
I have asked their support line, on their ics blog and were in touch with HTC Officials personally. Never got an answer for that.
So here's an open letter to HTC that I am thinking.
What is the criteria to decide on which phones receive updates in what order, why some phones are given deadlines while others are "sometime later this year"
What happened to HTC's promise for open source? Why do you not release kernel and driver sources for ICS?
If there is enough attention, I would like to use social media to draw HTC's attention.
Who's with me?
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Well for the most part the drivers are not theirs to offer as open source. They belong to another company that will never release the source for them. The kernel sources are posted normally with in a fair amount of time.
Alot of time the carriers (For US phones) have more control over the updates then the OEM. Take the Desire HD and the US version the Inspire. The Desire HD has gotten 2 updates, one for a sercurity issue and one for a Sense version update. While the Inspire got nothing.

Give this a read and feel free to post it or add to it and make HTC hear us!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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imheroldman said:
Join the crew man! There are several people who are trying to contact HTC daily for these things. Also, a true unlock solution should be on your list!
Sent from my PC36100 using xda premium
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I know that I am not the only one. But to draw a big attention we need to get together and today the answer for that is social media. AFAIK, there is no social media group currently to address the issue.
On the other hand, yep you are right, adding the true unlock issue.

zelendel said:
Well for the most part the drivers are not theirs to offer as open source. They belong to another company that will never release the source for them. The kernel sources are posted normally with in a fair amount of time.
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"Will never release the source code" is a bold statement. 25 years ago one wouldn't think an enterprise would ever release the source codes. But the times changed and the demand from the community got bigger so they were forced to and adopted a new way doing business.
This was a wave in Linux case, first the kernel was open source, now *almost* every driver is now open source, including companies like Intel.. An exception to that would be Nvidia. But with the nouveau project, sooner or later they will start to cooperate. As in Nvidia PC business most of the customers are non-Linux customers that is not yet an issue for them. On the other side, they are too under pressure on the mobile land with their tegra line.
Provided the above is correct, if there were an enough *united* community demand, first the OEMs / Carriers will be on the front line then they will turn to their hardware providers to opensource the drivers.
Correct me if I am wrong but a driver is merely a bridge between the kernel and the hardware, so I really do not get it the reason to keep it closed.
As for the kernel sources, I still do not see and 3.x.x source for devices other then Sensation and One line. ICS was released mid November. I am sure OEMs like HTC got their hands on it before that, so it is over 5 months they haven't released updates. I know that updates aren't produced overnight, yet 5+ months is quite disappointing. So I disagree with "fair amount of time" part.
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Alot of time the carriers (For US phones) have more control over the updates then the OEM. Take the Desire HD and the US version the Inspire. The Desire HD has gotten 2 updates, one for a sercurity issue and one for a Sense version update. While the Inspire got nothing.
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I don't see the point here. I see the sources for "Carrier's devices" on htcdev.com. So it is not a "being open issue". On the other hand, releasing updated sources and pushing updates to devices I think are not the same things.

imheroldman said:
Give this a read and feel free to post it or add to it and make HTC hear us!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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Great write up! But the main point I am trying to make a *united* move. So with all the respect, a blog shouldn't be the point to gather up. Having said that a text like your's would constitute the detail of the open letter I am envisioning...

Feel free to use it, the quote in the middle is from toastcfh, the rest is mine. I am fully behind what ever move there is to get HTC to really unlock their phones and give true open source codes. They are putting up a front to developers that they are friendly but the process is so hindered we have to rely on leaks and crazy s-off methods, and even with source you can no longer flash a kernel or boot image with our a pain in the neck. There are plenty of people who want these things and we do need to approach HTC as a community!
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Been spamming them on Twitter already for weeks. Bloody HTC, I hate them now
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There are plenty of people who want these things and we do need to approach HTC as a community!
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That's the spirit we need!
Now I am not %100 knowledgeable about XDA rules. Would it be OK to post a link to this thread to every HTC device Android forum?

Request to Release Kernel Source; HTC's Response

I sent a request to HTC regarding their timeframe for releasing the kernel source code for the ATT/Rogers One X. This is,what they said:
"I love customizing my device and I will be glad to advise you regarding the source code for the One X. HTC will typically publish on http://developer.htc.com or htcdev.com the Kernel open source code for recently released devices as soon as possible. HTC will normally publish this within 90 to 120 days. This time frame is within the requirements of the open source community."
Looks like we have a while to go gang! Fortunately we some resourceful folks here that make magic happen with available information!
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90-120 days - is "as soon as possible"??? HTC, you do realize that time frame is 1/4 - 1/3 of the year, right?
IMO the strategy here is by that time a new device will be born and people would forget about old one...

This may be a stretch, but it could also be that they want to give users a time to use the device as is in order to discover any bugs that may be present and would need to be patched in a future update. No one is more adept at finding bugs than users...thousands of them.

Tell them that is a complete lie.
The HTC Sensation received the ICS source code within 15 days of its release. They got the ICS update on the 16th and they received the source code not long after.
Read what I wrote to them
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679112

Hey Guys, we are working on the same issue in the Desire C community. I see you have plenty of custom ROMs, but let me ask if HTC has released the full source for you, and if yes how did happen, what was the process?
Thanks a lot in advance, I'm really curious about your case. Click on my signature if you want to see our email thread
And actually, we are currently sending organised emails to HTC, if you have a couple of minutes free it would be a huge help if you sent some of our templates to them.
Here are the details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40051652
Thank you and see you later!

neoyoli said:
Hey Guys, we are working on the same issue in the Desire C community. I see you have plenty of custom ROMs, but let me ask if HTC has released the full source for you, and if yes how did happen, what was the process?
Thanks a lot in advance, I'm really curious about your case. Click on my signature if you want to see our email thread
And actually, we are currently sending organised emails to HTC, if you have a couple of minutes free it would be a huge help if you sent some of our templates to them.
Here are the details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40051652
Thank you and see you later!
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I believe we have source for all Jelly Bean bases except AT&T.
My guess is that HTC pays no attention to these petitions and letter-writing campaigns.

It's a bit more complicated in our case, since we don't have very experienced devs, and did not even know what was going on with our kernel, and we started to roll the issue up only recently, partly due to the info we got from HTC through our emails. They are more communicative now and the case got escalated, thanks to the community effort

HTC sometimes wait up to 90days(or slightly over) to release source code.
It would be an extremely rare case that after 90 days source is not released.
HTC appear to prioritize source releases based on the sales volume of the device. The more a device sells, the faster its source tends to arrive.
Also similarities in hardware to existing devices also seems to help. The newer never before seen platforms tend to take longer.
High end phones always tend to get more love.
You have source for 4.0(2.xx ROM's), what source are you waiting on?
Has you device received 4.1? If so when? Has it been 90 days yet?
Last I head Desire C will not receive Jelly Bean from HTC due to 512mb RAM. I just checked numerous of the carriers and none show updates for 2.00 ROM's, the 2.00 have source released.

You are right, we ruled out the possibility of the official JB. Although some say it would be even faster, but I'm not expert on this. What I understood so far is even if it is so, they are not doing it because it is an entry-level device. Fair enough (well, given the conditions), we can do it for ourselves.
The problem is the WiFi driver "ath6kl_sdio.ko", it fails to compile with any other ROMs then a Sense-based. It creates the folder but will be empty. However we are trying to patch it atm, and some more experienced devs joined recently.
What we still don't know is, that there might be a problem with the source of which HTC might not even aware of, since they did not test it with custom ROMs, and atm they say (in a credible, non-brush-off manner) the source is full, but escalated the case further. So we are waiting for that as well.
So things just started to cook lately. Actually if you have an experienced kernel dev, it would be a huge help if he could look into our source and tell what is going on with it:good: So that we can communicate it effectively to HTC or maybe even solve the issue directly.

How soon do you think there will be a 2.20 root exploit available?

Do you think there will be a root exploit for 2.20 soon and if so when do you think it will be available?

I hope there's some devs willing to work on it. It's a relatively new software version. We all gotta have some patience. I'd really like to get CM10 up and running on the HOX. Works great on my Nexus 7.

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I hope there's some devs willing to work on it. It's a relatively new software version. We all gotta have some patience. I'd really like to get CM10 up and running on the HOX. Works great on my Nexus 7.
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I know, I actually emailed htc saying something like "we pay for these phone with our money we should be able to do what we want to do with them." and here is what they said: "I understand that you have some concerns regarding the bootloader unlock on the HTC One X and I would be more than happy to assist you with information!
HTC is committed to listening to users and delivering customer satisfaction. Since announcing our commitment to unlockable bootloaders, HTC has worked to enable our customers to unlock the bootloader on more than 45 devices over the past six months. In some cases, however, restrictions prevent certain devices from participating in our bootloader unlocking program. Rest assured, HTC is committed to assisting developers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices and we'll continue to unlock additional devices in the future."
I personally would love to be able to unlock the AT&T HOX through the htcdev website that would be awesome!

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I know, I actually emailed htc saying something like "we pay for these phone with our money we should be able to do what we want to do with them." and here is what they said: "I understand that you have some concerns regarding the bootloader unlock on the HTC One X and I would be more than happy to assist you with information!
HTC is committed to listening to users and delivering customer satisfaction. Since announcing our commitment to unlockable bootloaders, HTC has worked to enable our customers to unlock the bootloader on more than 45 devices over the past six months. In some cases, however, restrictions prevent certain devices from participating in our bootloader unlocking program. Rest assured, HTC is committed to assisting developers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices and we'll continue to unlock additional devices in the future."
I personally would love to be able to unlock the AT&T HOX through the htcdev website that would be awesome!
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Unfortunately, the carriers have the upper hand when it comes to bootloaders and whether they allow them to be unlocked. It could be a while, if ever, until HTC adds the AT&T HOX to their supported unlockable devices. I'll take an unofficial method instead if that's what's available.But yeah, it would be great if it happened officially.

asking when root will be available is like asking a dev when his rom is going to be updated. rest assured it will happen eventually, but the devs that do this do it in there spare time when not at work or with family, and most of the time end up doing all for free and risking there own devices. so the answer is it will come but only when it ready.

When you find the exploit
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Get your hopes up for the 4th.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1832921
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superchilpil said:
When you find the exploit
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Lol.

Those are the kindest remarks I've ever seen to a thread like this being posted. Is anybody going to say how ignorant of a question that is to ask? Mods please move this thread to the ESP forums for our psychics evaluate.

18th.abn said:
Those are the kindest remarks I've ever seen to a thread like this being posted. Is anybody going to say how ignorant of a question that is to ask? Mods please move this thread to the ESP forums for our psychics evaluate.
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All the jerks bought S3's.
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