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[Q] How to make phone not turn on.

Is there a way to make my phone not turn on at all, and not able to get into recovery? i need to send it in for warranty and dont want them to see my flash counter... so is there a file i can delete with root explorer that will just royally **** up the phone?

I doubt they will even look
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Have you ever played baseball.
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flash a odin restore for a sgs2 or sgs1

orlandoxpolice said:
I doubt they will even look
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you dont think they'll check? the way rogers does it is i send them my phone, then they send me a refurbished one in 5 business days.
You dont think they'll even check for the flash counter? and do you think i should even bother taking cwm off it then?
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Have you ever played baseball.
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LOL

tjsooley said:
flash a odin restore for a sgs2 or sgs1
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will this make the phone unable to be put in recovery mode too?
i was browsing in the file browser and i found the folder sys hold all the modems and what not. and another one called sbin seems to have the recovery in it. what if i just delete sys, and sbin?

I wonder what would happen if your phone was on and you dropped it "accidently" in water.
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hcyplr29 said:
I wonder what would happen if your phone was on and you dropped it "accidently" in water.
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void water damage

if you are hellbent on bricking your phone, flash this ICS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522023
if it works, we will all be very appreciative of your testing.
if you brick your phone, then mission accomplished.

I do remember when I bought my skyrocket at the retail store. When asked if I wanted insurance on it, I remember the sales person telling me all of the things that are covered, and one thing I remember was that he said even if I ran over it with my car, it would still be covered.
Anyone know how they handle "lost" phones? I know they can turn the phone on and locate it, but what if you pull the battery and "lose" it. AT&T insurance which is actually a 3rd party, will send you a replacement phone overnight and request you send the damaged one back unless it was lost or stolen.

flash stock rom for skyrocket in odin and check repartition, this is a GUARANTEE brick

Remove battery . Plug aligator clips on pos and neg of car bat. With leads .touch both leads to phones battery connection

Brick it. Literally.
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The real question is why everyone is trying to help. You knew the inherent dangers of tripping your flash counter so deal with the consequences.
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I vote for ICS testing LOL.
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jamesd86 said:
The real question is why everyone is trying to help. You knew the inherent dangers of tripping your flash counter so deal with the consequences.
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No, the real question is why your pointing out a problem without offering a solution. The guy is asking for help in a forum where people help each other out. If you don't like it, get an IPhone.
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BaconStep said:
Brick it. Literally.
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Lol ..... haha
.brick it litterally, and take a vid of u smashing it with a brick. To be posted. On xda as a warning to people who do not read before flashing
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I vote send it to me so i can make roms easier

Just flash an i9100 rom on it. Bricked instantly.
But before you do that, send it to a dev... they'll make better use of it.

silver03wrx said:
Lol ..... haha
.brick it litterally, and take a vid of u smashing it with a brick. To be posted. On xda as a warning to people who do not read before flashing
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I vote send it to me so i can make roms easier
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Haha lets put the vid in the aokp development thread
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hcyplr29 said:
I do remember when I bought my skyrocket at the retail store. When asked if I wanted insurance on it, I remember the sales person telling me all of the things that are covered, and one thing I remember was that he said even if I ran over it with my car, it would still be covered.
Anyone know how they handle "lost" phones? I know they can turn the phone on and locate it, but what if you pull the battery and "lose" it. AT&T insurance which is actually a 3rd party, will send you a replacement phone overnight and request you send the damaged one back unless it was lost or stolen.
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you have to file a police report and pay the replacement fee to get a replacement. mine was like $50 bucks. The phone company then Flags the phone as stolen, I'm assuming by IMEI or ESN, Of course this was for an actually stolen phone. but if it turned up again i'd assume you have a great Dev device for testing.

[Q] Rooting voids what warranty?

OK guys, so I know that rooting your Skyrocket voids the warranty, but I've been looking around on the net and I've seen some phones that when you root, the warranty only no longer covers things directly involved with the rooting, for example, bricking, uninstalling system apps, getting infected by virus/malware etc. So the question is, does this apply to the Skyrocket?
Simplifed: Does rooting the Skyrocket make it so that if I were to drop my phone, screen cracks, and I send it in, will Samsung just throw it away? Or is it just that if I root my phone, brick it, send it in, THEN they throw it away?
Thanks in advance guys!
BTW Skyrocket is awesome phone :laugh:

Odds are they won't even know unless your flash counter is higher than 0 in download mode. Even then, they still probably wouldn't notice.
Note: When I wrote this, I assumed we were talking hard-brick. Goes without saying that yes, if your phone boots up and they can see it's not stock, your warranty is voided.

If they can prove that it's been rooted, they won't even touch it. You'll be responsible for the full replacement cost.
If they can't prove that it's rooted (won't turn on and needs a software restore to get it working again) then it's up to whomever is looking at the phone to determine if they will cover the replacement under warranty.
Please note - I've had a rooted device that was replaced under warranty, but only because it would not boot up at all and so it could not be proven that it was rooted.

liquidzoo said:
If they can prove that it's been rooted, they won't even touch it. You'll be responsible for the full replacement cost.
If they can't prove that it's rooted (won't turn on and needs a software restore to get it working again) then it's up to whomever is looking at the phone to determine if they will cover the replacement under warranty.
Please note - I've had a rooted device that was replaced under warranty, but only because it would not boot up at all and so it could not be proven that it was rooted.
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So then, say, I dropped my phone on a rock, and it could boot up, but there was nothing caused by the software itself that went wrong, they wouldn't even touch it?

RewinX said:
So then, say, I dropped my phone on a rock, and it could boot up, but there was nothing caused by the software itself that went wrong, they wouldn't even touch it?
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Everything is void. You have to flash back to stock to get it fixed.
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xcrazydx said:
Everything is void. You have to flash back to stock to get it fixed.
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No offense gents but xda tv has your answer
And the company such as att don't cover customer damage they only cover factory issue that iS it you droP your phone your SOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YcIHaajda8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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So then, say, I dropped my phone on a rock, and it could boot up, but there was nothing caused by the software itself that went wrong, they wouldn't even touch it?
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liquidzoo said:
If they can prove that it's been rooted, they won't even touch it. You'll be responsible for the full replacement cost.
If they can't prove that it's rooted (won't turn on and needs a software restore to get it working again) then it's up to whomever is looking at the phone to determine if they will cover the replacement under warranty.
Please note - I've had a rooted device that was replaced under warranty, but only because it would not boot up at all and so it could not be proven that it was rooted.
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T.J. Bender said:
Odds are they won't even know unless your flash counter is higher than 0 in download mode. Even then, they still probably wouldn't notice.
Note: When I wrote this, I assumed we were talking hard-brick. Goes without saying that yes, if your phone boots up and they can see it's not stock, your warranty is voided.
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OK guys, so I know that rooting your Skyrocket voids the warranty, but I've been looking around on the net and I've seen some phones that when you root, the warranty only no longer covers things directly involved with the rooting, for example, bricking, uninstalling system apps, getting infected by virus/malware etc. So the question is, does this apply to the Skyrocket?
Simplifed: Does rooting the Skyrocket make it so that if I were to drop my phone, screen cracks, and I send it in, will Samsung just throw it away? Or is it just that if I root my phone, brick it, send it in, THEN they throw it away?
Thanks in advance guys!
BTW Skyrocket is awesome phone :laugh:
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crashpsycho said:
No offense gents but xda tv has your answer
And the company such as att don't cover customer damage they only cover factory issue that iS it you droP your phone your SOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YcIHaajda8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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unless you buy insurance, then u still have to pay $100+ for replacement.
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droidbabyxda said:
unless you buy insurance, then u still have to pay $100+ for replacement.
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OK, I have insurance, so if I break it will I get a free replacement or will I get with contract price?
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RewinX said:
OK, I have insurance, so if I break it will I get a free replacement or will I get with contract price?
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Not free. You will have to pay a deductible. You should read your paperwork and know what you signed up for.
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xcrazydx said:
Not free. You will have to pay a deductible. You should read your paperwork and know what you signed up for.
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I know, I just thought maybe there was a different plan.

Best buy black tie plan is much better IMO. Little bit more expensive, but no deductible and no limit to replacements. I got a replacement for mine, no questions asked.
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I don't even touch warranties. They're expensive and almost always useless. If my phone is severely damaged somehow, it can be restored to stock and bricked in Kies whether the screen works or not.
Now, in terms of drops...let's just say I'm very careful not to develop butter fingers...
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T.J. Bender said:
Now, in terms of drops...let's just say I'm very careful not to develop butter fingers...
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Heh, wish I had that luxury.
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[Q] Flashed Wrong Rom

Well I accidentally flashed a GS3 rom on my skyrocket and I'm pretty sure its bricked. The phone stays black and doesn't appear to power on at all. I am unable to get into recovery or download mode to flash in odin. The flash was a clean install and I had formatted both my emmc and usb mounts.
My question is should I bother taking it in to att or will they know that I've had it rooted? Or should I just bite the bullet and send it in for a jtag and pay around $70?

If it won't power on it could be any number of things from AT&T's perspective. It's worth a shot to see what they say.
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warranty it, just play stupid and say it wont turn on and you dont know why, and dont mention anything about flashing a rom

Definitely a hard brick. I'd take it to AT&T first, tell them you were in the middle of the firmware update (act dumb) and the phone just turned off and wouldn't turn back on. I've heard stories (see edit below) of AT&T-owned stores calling corporate for guidance as AT&T's update was implicated, then just pulling out a new phone and handing it over well after the 14/30 days are up. More likely, they'll refer you to Sammy to have it warrantied out. Nothing to lose by trying at least the AT&T store first, as a one-day turnaround and free replacement is a better deal than waiting for Sammy to do their thing and send you a refurb, or spending the money on JTAG.
Edit: Stories. That's it. Haven't seen it happen. Your mileage may vary.

Thanks everyone. I'll head to att tomorrow and give it a shot. Will report back with outcome.

Take it to att if its still under warranty and play dumb. If it won't turn on they won't know its rooted or other ROMs have been put on. I'm sending this from a phone that was replaced under the same circumstances you're in:thumbup:
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jd1639 said:
Take it to att if its still under warranty and play dumb. If it won't turn on they won't know its rooted or other ROMs have been put on. I'm sending this from a phone that was replaced under the same circumstances you're in:thumbup:
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Thanks for your response. Unfortunately I am out of warranty. I've had the phone for almomst a year now.

If it's under a year you're OK. Mine had a month to go. Got a 90 day warranty on the new phoneso got a two month extended warranty with the new phone
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jd1639 said:
If it's under a year you're OK. Mine had a month to go. Got a 90 day warranty on the new phoneso got a two month extended warranty with the new phone
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Went to ATT and they swapped my phone out for a new one. Thanks everyone!

SeaDonkey said:
Went to ATT and they swapped my phone out for a new one. Thanks everyone!
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Nice! Out of curiosity, what did you say? Turned off and won't turn back on? You can answer via PM if you think they might see or anything.

That's it. They tried to turn it on, called a tech guy, still couldn't get download mode and that was it. Just don't talk and use short answers to the questions. Take the sd card out, of course. They send a refurb'd phone, less the back and battery. You then send the old phone back in a prepaid envelope that comes with the re furb. Pretty painless
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jd1639 said:
That's it. They tried to turn it on, called a tech guy, still couldn't get download mode and that was it. Just don't talk and use short answers to the questions. Take the sd card out, of course. They send a refurb'd phone, less the back and battery. You then send the old phone back in a prepaid envelope that comes with the re furb. Pretty painless
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Even if it is out of warranty?
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It has to be within warranty period.
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droidbabyxda said:
Even if it is out of warranty?
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Of course not, it has to be in the warranty period.
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jd1639 said:
That's it. They tried to turn it on, called a tech guy, still couldn't get download mode and that was it. Just don't talk and use short answers to the questions. Take the sd card out, of course. They send a refurb'd phone, less the back and battery. You then send the old phone back in a prepaid envelope that comes with the re furb. Pretty painless
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Exactly. I told them it froze up during the official update and wouldn't turn back on. Just played stupid. The funny thing is that I accidentally left my sd card in it and I know that I had a folder on there named "rom_flashing" lol. I got very nervous when they saw the sd card, swapped it in the new phone and booted it up. I told them I was in a hurry and took the phone then bounced out. :good:

SeaDonkey said:
Went to ATT and they swapped my phone out for a new one. Thanks everyone!
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[Q] Bricked? Can't enter download mode

I just tried flashing to the latest slim bean rom and when I went to reboot, the phone turned off. Can't turn it back on, can't get into download mode with the USB cable, battery out/anything. Is there anything I can do at this point? IT seems completely dead. Doesn't even show a charging icon when I plug it into the charger. I've had problems before but I've at least been able to get into download mode.
Any suggestions??

Doesn't sound good. You have no life at all in the phone? If not you're hard bricked and jtag is your only hope. You sure you flashed to correct Rom for your device?
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yeah I've been tinkering for a while and never had this happen before. No sign of life at all. What's jtag? I was thinking of trying to get it replaced at at&t

Dracarnion said:
yeah I've been tinkering for a while and never had this happen before. No sign of life at all. What's jtag? I was thinking of trying to get it replaced at at&t
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Google mobiletechvideos. They can fix it for about 50 bucks
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It's possible I installed something for i777 by accident Thanks. I will give that a try. Think I would have any luck getting it replaced at AT&T?

Dracarnion said:
It's possible I installed something for i777 by accident Thanks. I will give that a try. Think I would have any luck getting it replaced at AT&T?
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It's possible and that would brick you.
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Are you still under warranty? If do its worth a try. Just play dumb and tell them it won't turn on.
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Yeah, i have the extended warranty, but it looks like they want to charge $199 to replace it, regardless :-\. Guess it makes more sense to go through jtag.. are they legitimate? How long until I would get it back?

Dracarnion said:
Yeah, i have the extended warranty, but it looks like they want to charge $199 to replace it, regardless :-\. Guess it makes more sense to go through jtag.. are they legitimate? How long until I would get it back?
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I've never used them but a lot on xda have and it sounds like good service. Typical turn around time seems to be about a week. You can pay for faster service.
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I've never used them but a lot on xda have and it sounds like good service. Typical turn around time seems to be about a week. You can pay for faster service.
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Thanks for all your help. I actually have an extended warranty, but they wanted to charge me $200 for a replacement (which would probably end up being a refurb anyway). I sent it out to mobiletechvideos today and I'm hoping to have my phone back by the end of the next week. Better make sure I double-check what I'm flashing next time
Another side question - I tried flashing a few ROMs but I got errors during the flash (CM10, CM9) Do I need to have a specific bootloader enabled for those?

Dracarnion said:
Thanks for all your help. I actually have an extended warranty, but they wanted to charge me $200 for a replacement (which would probably end up being a refurb anyway). I sent it out to mobiletechvideos today and I'm hoping to have my phone back by the end of the next week. Better make sure I double-check what I'm flashing next time
Another side question - I tried flashing a few ROMs but I got errors during the flash (CM10, CM9) Do I need to have a specific bootloader enabled for those?
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No. Don't have to worry about boot loaders on the i727. Just make sure the Rom is for it. As you learned, flashing a rom for a different device is not a good thing. Good luck on the jtag.
Read vincoms stickies in the development forum. They have good information on flashing. There is a lot of info there so its not an easy read but they'll save you a lot of headaches of you go thru them.
Edit: what recovery were you using to flash? If you were having problems out its probably an older version. Check that you have the latest. I've had good luck with twrp 2.4.4.0
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So is there a way out there to fix a real live brick

I have in my possession a real live brick. Wont power up, recognize usb, dead dead dead. Cant find a JTAG service for this yet, unless someone has one.

aer0zer0 said:
I have in my possession a real live brick. Wont power up, recognize usb, dead dead dead. Cant find a JTAG service for this yet, unless someone has one.
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Try holding volume up and power button

aventador7 said:
Try holding volume up and power button
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no dice, completely dead. Im not getting a charge indicator or anything.

How did this device get to this state? Are you sure the charging circuit isn't blown?
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no dice, completely dead. I'm not getting a charge indicator or anything.
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godhamba said:
How did this device get to this state? Are you sure the charging circuit isn't blown?
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Nope, Ill tell you what happened. I have been having problems with the evolution mods kernel rebooting my phone, after i tried the "fixed" version.
So i flashed the full firmware from the 1.55.602 update (im running a stock rom with bloating removed) and i removed the hboot from the zip. Since im running a custom hboot with the text removed. Thinking i could just reflash the stock kernel.
i flashed it, did a fastboot reboot and now its deader than a hammer.
no charge, no usb activity, no turn on. dead as can be. Ill take any and all suggestions. I know my way around pretty well, so im surprised that its bricked. But its the first M8 brick, unless someone has a clever idea?

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Nope, Ill tell you what happened. I have been having problems with the evolution mods kernel rebooting my phone, after i tried the "fixed" version.
So i flashed the full firmware from the 1.55.602 update (im running a stock rom with bloating removed) and i removed the hboot from the zip. Since im running a custom hboot with the text removed. Thinking i could just reflash the stock kernel.
i flashed it, did a fastboot reboot and now its deader than a hammer.
no charge, no usb activity, no turn on. dead as can be. Ill take any and all suggestions. I know my way around pretty well, so im surprised that its bricked. But its the first M8 brick, unless someone has a clever idea?
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In other news, i got a new phone, so i have brick with a good esn if anyine is interested, but i would rather find someone who would be willing to try and jtag it for the good of the community

My condolences on the device, but you sir should be applauded for not going the route of "warranty" on a device that died by your hand. Does seem odd that you can't even get it to charge though.

Sent it to HTC to get fixed out of warranty. I let everyone know what they charge to unbrick. Besides, they would have figured it out anyways then charged me
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It's super bricked. I flash firmware on single board computers at my job for medical equipment. We have bricks occasionally. But we can jtag out of it. I assume the same can be done if there is a header location available on the processor board. Couldn't find anybody who has jtagd one yet to do it.
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aer0zer0 said:
It's super bricked. I flash firmware on single board computers at my job for medical equipment. We have bricks occasionally. But we can jtag out of it. I assume the same can be done if there is a header location available on the processor board. Couldn't find anybody who has jtagd one yet to do it.
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Do you have a hboot screen
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Nope, it doesn't turn on or charge
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aer0zer0 said:
Nope, it doesn't turn on or charge
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Sorry I can't help.
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aer0zer0 said:
It's super bricked. I flash firmware on single board computers at my job for medical equipment. We have bricks occasionally. But we can jtag out of it. I assume the same can be done if there is a header location available on the processor board. Couldn't find anybody who has jtagd one yet to do it.
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HTC doesn't bother to jtag. They just replace the motherboard.
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beaups said:
HTC doesn't bother to jtag. They just replace the motherboard.
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what you think they will wanna charge? im assuming 150-200 for the repair?

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what you think they will wanna charge? im assuming 150-200 for the repair?
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I'm guessing, but I'd say 300-400
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beaups said:
I'm guessing, but I'd say 300-400
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You think this would be worth anything for a dev to be able to figure it out, repair wise?

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You think this would be worth anything for a dev to be able to figure it out, repair wise?
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Yeah I'd be happy to take a look at it to see if there are any opportunities for software-based unbrick.
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beaups said:
Yeah I'd be happy to take a look at it to see if there are any opportunities for software-based unbrick.
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well, its at HTC (en route) right now. It should get there wed/thurs. If i get a bad case of sticker shock, illl get it sent back. If they can fix it for reasonable, then i will get it fixed. I am a big fan of your effort to free these android devices. So if they want too much, id be happy to send it to you. Maybe you can prevent the next one from occuring. BTW firewater is an amazing piece of work, i must say

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well, its at HTC (en route) right now. It should get there wed/thurs. If i get a bad case of sticker shock, illl get it sent back. If they can fix it for reasonable, then i will get it fixed. I am a big fan of your effort to free these android devices. So if they want too much, id be happy to send it to you. Maybe you can prevent the next one from occuring. BTW firewater is an amazing piece of work, i must say
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No worries, hopefully you can get it fixed reasonable. Kudos for being honest about it, most people would claim warranty.
Actually I dont mind buying devices. Just for something like this I wouldnt feel good intentionally bricking a $600 device. I do it enough on accident
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beaups said:
No worries, hopefully you can get it fixed reasonable. Kudos for being honest about it, most people would claim warranty.
Actually I dont mind buying devices. Just for something like this I wouldnt feel good intentionally bricking a $600 device. I do it enough on accident
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So i had edged up from my M7, ended up selling that for 400. Got the M8, had 2 payments made, bricked it. So i had to pay off the 500 on the edge. Now whats interesting if you early payoff the edge, you are out of contract, COMPLETELY. So i ended up with a free standard upgrade, so i was able to edge again. thats a FYI if anyone is interested. Kinda sucks, but i made my money back already fixing computers this week. Any idea what i did wrong, i have flashed M7 & M8's & DNA's so many times....I know my way around. Im still baffled